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Is it not that after a relatively unsuccessful response to the GFC, the Tories, and specifically bojo, in a desperate attempt to maintain power, just flipped the politics entirely, as everyone was fed up with austerity?surrey_commuter said:
not sure what your point is as you are just using different terms to describe free markets as opposed to state intervention.rick_chasey said:
Is it not more individualist vs collective perspective?surrey_commuter said:Times reckons large parts of the Tory Party very unhappy with new restrictions. If they attack of the basis of bowlocks data from the testing shambles then he could be in trouble.
Boris is an interesting case study for SteveO's negative leftie theory. Has he become more negative as he became more left wing or has he become more leftwing as he became more negative?
Right wing is individualist - focus on individual freedoms, at the potential expense to the rest of society - willing to have more deaths in return for own freedom
Left wing is more socially orientated - focus on the group as a whole, especially vulnerable, at the expense of individual freedoms - willing to have more restrictive individual life in return for fewer deaths
It's all fairly obvious.
As I suggest (slightly tongue in cheek) if you live in a small state free market economy and you develop a more negative outlook on life then you are more likely to adopt policies that are traditionally seen as left wing. In this case a greater role of the state funded by taxation and borrowing.
I think it's that simple.
They've even got "no tax, no public spending" people like Stevo cheerleading the government paying for your oysters and champers, like some kind of literal champagne socialist.0 -
That doesn't explain why the further right you go the less freedoms you get.rick_chasey said:
Is it not more individualist vs collective perspective?surrey_commuter said:Times reckons large parts of the Tory Party very unhappy with new restrictions. If they attack of the basis of bowlocks data from the testing shambles then he could be in trouble.
Boris is an interesting case study for SteveO's negative leftie theory. Has he become more negative as he became more left wing or has he become more leftwing as he became more negative?
Right wing is individualist - focus on individual freedoms, at the potential expense to the rest of society - willing to have more deaths in return for own freedom
Left wing is more socially orientated - focus on the group as a whole, especially vulnerable, at the expense of individual freedoms - willing to have more restrictive individual life in return for fewer deaths
It's all fairly obvious.0 -
call me a cynic but I think they will cut public spending in many areas, they just won't call it austerityrick_chasey said:
Is it not that after a relatively unsuccessful response to the GFC, the Tories, and specifically bojo, in a desperate attempt to maintain power, just flipped the politics entirely, as everyone was fed up with austerity?surrey_commuter said:
not sure what your point is as you are just using different terms to describe free markets as opposed to state intervention.rick_chasey said:
Is it not more individualist vs collective perspective?surrey_commuter said:Times reckons large parts of the Tory Party very unhappy with new restrictions. If they attack of the basis of bowlocks data from the testing shambles then he could be in trouble.
Boris is an interesting case study for SteveO's negative leftie theory. Has he become more negative as he became more left wing or has he become more leftwing as he became more negative?
Right wing is individualist - focus on individual freedoms, at the potential expense to the rest of society - willing to have more deaths in return for own freedom
Left wing is more socially orientated - focus on the group as a whole, especially vulnerable, at the expense of individual freedoms - willing to have more restrictive individual life in return for fewer deaths
It's all fairly obvious.
As I suggest (slightly tongue in cheek) if you live in a small state free market economy and you develop a more negative outlook on life then you are more likely to adopt policies that are traditionally seen as left wing. In this case a greater role of the state funded by taxation and borrowing.
I think it's that simple.
They've even got "no tax, no public spending" people like Stevo cheerleading the government paying for your oysters and champers, like some kind of literal champagne socialist.0 -
Where will they do it? There's not much fat left to cut into?surrey_commuter said:
call me a cynic but I think they will cut public spending in many areas, they just won't call it austerityrick_chasey said:
Is it not that after a relatively unsuccessful response to the GFC, the Tories, and specifically bojo, in a desperate attempt to maintain power, just flipped the politics entirely, as everyone was fed up with austerity?surrey_commuter said:
not sure what your point is as you are just using different terms to describe free markets as opposed to state intervention.rick_chasey said:
Is it not more individualist vs collective perspective?surrey_commuter said:Times reckons large parts of the Tory Party very unhappy with new restrictions. If they attack of the basis of bowlocks data from the testing shambles then he could be in trouble.
Boris is an interesting case study for SteveO's negative leftie theory. Has he become more negative as he became more left wing or has he become more leftwing as he became more negative?
Right wing is individualist - focus on individual freedoms, at the potential expense to the rest of society - willing to have more deaths in return for own freedom
Left wing is more socially orientated - focus on the group as a whole, especially vulnerable, at the expense of individual freedoms - willing to have more restrictive individual life in return for fewer deaths
It's all fairly obvious.
As I suggest (slightly tongue in cheek) if you live in a small state free market economy and you develop a more negative outlook on life then you are more likely to adopt policies that are traditionally seen as left wing. In this case a greater role of the state funded by taxation and borrowing.
I think it's that simple.
They've even got "no tax, no public spending" people like Stevo cheerleading the government paying for your oysters and champers, like some kind of literal champagne socialist.0 -
Negative bank base rate coming November. NS&I giving stat 2 months notice of future saving rates slash, e.g 1% going to 0.15%.0
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pay freezesrick_chasey said:
Where will they do it? There's not much fat left to cut into?surrey_commuter said:
call me a cynic but I think they will cut public spending in many areas, they just won't call it austerityrick_chasey said:
Is it not that after a relatively unsuccessful response to the GFC, the Tories, and specifically bojo, in a desperate attempt to maintain power, just flipped the politics entirely, as everyone was fed up with austerity?surrey_commuter said:
not sure what your point is as you are just using different terms to describe free markets as opposed to state intervention.rick_chasey said:
Is it not more individualist vs collective perspective?surrey_commuter said:Times reckons large parts of the Tory Party very unhappy with new restrictions. If they attack of the basis of bowlocks data from the testing shambles then he could be in trouble.
Boris is an interesting case study for SteveO's negative leftie theory. Has he become more negative as he became more left wing or has he become more leftwing as he became more negative?
Right wing is individualist - focus on individual freedoms, at the potential expense to the rest of society - willing to have more deaths in return for own freedom
Left wing is more socially orientated - focus on the group as a whole, especially vulnerable, at the expense of individual freedoms - willing to have more restrictive individual life in return for fewer deaths
It's all fairly obvious.
As I suggest (slightly tongue in cheek) if you live in a small state free market economy and you develop a more negative outlook on life then you are more likely to adopt policies that are traditionally seen as left wing. In this case a greater role of the state funded by taxation and borrowing.
I think it's that simple.
They've even got "no tax, no public spending" people like Stevo cheerleading the government paying for your oysters and champers, like some kind of literal champagne socialist.
stop index linking stuff
Cummins does bot seem too keen on defence
keep pointing out that total public spending is increasing0 -
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Civil service? They were talking about nursing shortages of I think 40,000 on Today, this morning, with the counterpoint that the gov were well on their way to recruiting 50,000 new nurses by... 2025.rick_chasey said:Pay freeze on what exactly?
1985 Mercian King of Mercia - work in progress (Hah! Who am I kidding?)
Pinnacle Monzonite
Part of the anti-growth coalition0 -
Exactly. You're not gonna have a functioning NHS if you cut pay much more.rjsterry said:
Civil service? They were talking about nursing shortages of I think 40,000 on Today, this morning, with the counterpoint that the gov were well on their way to recruiting 50,000 new nurses by... 2025.rick_chasey said:Pay freeze on what exactly?
Civil service is already being bled dry of talent.
I guess one advantage of a tanking economy is private sector pay falls too...
It's gonna be tax rises. They've signalled it already, and that'll be the new paradigm.0 -
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Oh Jeremy Corbyn, oh Jeremy Corbyn..."
"Oh de Pfeffel Johnson, oh de Pfeffel Johnson..."0 -
Public sector jobs become more appealing when there isn't so much work in the private sector.rick_chasey said:
Exactly. You're not gonna have a functioning NHS if you cut pay much more.rjsterry said:
Civil service? They were talking about nursing shortages of I think 40,000 on Today, this morning, with the counterpoint that the gov were well on their way to recruiting 50,000 new nurses by... 2025.rick_chasey said:Pay freeze on what exactly?
Civil service is already being bled dry of talent.
I guess one advantage of a tanking economy is private sector pay falls too...
It's gonna be tax rises. They've signalled it already, and that'll be the new paradigm.0 -
Haven't they only recently announced fairly generous pay rises for much of the public sector?surrey_commuter said:
pay freezesrick_chasey said:
Where will they do it? There's not much fat left to cut into?surrey_commuter said:
call me a cynic but I think they will cut public spending in many areas, they just won't call it austerityrick_chasey said:
Is it not that after a relatively unsuccessful response to the GFC, the Tories, and specifically bojo, in a desperate attempt to maintain power, just flipped the politics entirely, as everyone was fed up with austerity?surrey_commuter said:
not sure what your point is as you are just using different terms to describe free markets as opposed to state intervention.rick_chasey said:
Is it not more individualist vs collective perspective?surrey_commuter said:Times reckons large parts of the Tory Party very unhappy with new restrictions. If they attack of the basis of bowlocks data from the testing shambles then he could be in trouble.
Boris is an interesting case study for SteveO's negative leftie theory. Has he become more negative as he became more left wing or has he become more leftwing as he became more negative?
Right wing is individualist - focus on individual freedoms, at the potential expense to the rest of society - willing to have more deaths in return for own freedom
Left wing is more socially orientated - focus on the group as a whole, especially vulnerable, at the expense of individual freedoms - willing to have more restrictive individual life in return for fewer deaths
It's all fairly obvious.
As I suggest (slightly tongue in cheek) if you live in a small state free market economy and you develop a more negative outlook on life then you are more likely to adopt policies that are traditionally seen as left wing. In this case a greater role of the state funded by taxation and borrowing.
I think it's that simple.
They've even got "no tax, no public spending" people like Stevo cheerleading the government paying for your oysters and champers, like some kind of literal champagne socialist.
stop index linking stuff
Cummins does bot seem too keen on defence
keep pointing out that total public spending is increasing0 -
Undoing the pension triple lock?
Anyway, one for @surrey_commuter as I know this is one of his pet subjects.
https://normielisation.substack.com/p/why-we-should-pay-politicians-more1985 Mercian King of Mercia - work in progress (Hah! Who am I kidding?)
Pinnacle Monzonite
Part of the anti-growth coalition0 -
public sector payrick_chasey said:Pay freeze on what exactly?
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i would benchmarking them against an appropriate job and pay them maybe up to £250k but would demand in return proportional representation so you can clear out the Graylings.rjsterry said:Undoing the pension triple lock?
Anyway, one for @surrey_commuter as I know this is one of his pet subjects.
https://normielisation.substack.com/p/why-we-should-pay-politicians-more1 -
Internal border controls in Kent! Brexit Britain, dontcha just lurve it.
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Never been though a toll barrier then?orraloon said:Internal border controls in Kent! Brexit Britain, dontcha just lurve it.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-54260470"I spent most of my money on birds, booze and fast cars: the rest of it I just squandered." [George Best]0 -
Keep fighting the good fight, Stevo.Stevo_666 said:
Never been though a toll barrier then?orraloon said:Internal border controls in Kent! Brexit Britain, dontcha just lurve it.
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😊 Ah yeah, I remember I once had to buy a ticket when I parked my car somewhere.rick_chasey said:
Keep fighting the good fight, Stevo.Stevo_666 said:
Never been though a toll barrier then?orraloon said:Internal border controls in Kent! Brexit Britain, dontcha just lurve it.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-54260470
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The premise is sensible - to make sure that carriers have the proper docs to stop them being turned away by French customs and clogging up the ports. As mentioned in the link, it is likely to be temporary as firms adjust to the new normal.rick_chasey said:
Keep fighting the good fight, Stevo.Stevo_666 said:
Never been though a toll barrier then?orraloon said:Internal border controls in Kent! Brexit Britain, dontcha just lurve it.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-54260470
I thought you were fighting the good fight, to keep us in the EU? If so, I have some bad news for you..."I spent most of my money on birds, booze and fast cars: the rest of it I just squandered." [George Best]0 -
Britain's left the EU - even if the agreement the gov't signed up to to do so is now reneging on it, but anyway.
It's about how the supporters of Brexit implement it.
How do you think the implementation is going?0 -
If you jump into a slurry pit, it's probably a sound idea to remember to keep your mouth shut so you don't ingest too much.
It's also true that once you've done it, trying to make the best of the situation you find yourself in is your only real choice.
At some point, the realisation surely comes that it wasn't a good idea.0 -
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Sunak embarrassing the rest of the government again by merely competently making things which are needed happen. If he was any more on manoeuvres, he'd drive everywhere in a campaign bus.1985 Mercian King of Mercia - work in progress (Hah! Who am I kidding?)
Pinnacle Monzonite
Part of the anti-growth coalition0 -
rick_chasey said:
https://tax.demos.co.uk/
Design your own tax system.
my system, FWIW. (big loss on expensive houses, wealth and capital gains, as well as self employed), but bigger tax relief on lower tax allowances, tax cut in VAT to 15%.0 -
You need to find another £88bnrick_chasey said:rick_chasey said:https://tax.demos.co.uk/
Design your own tax system.
my system, FWIW. (big loss on expensive houses, wealth and capital gains, as well as self employed), but bigger tax relief on lower tax allowances, tax cut in VAT to 15%.0 -
Fair.
Updated version
Targeting £80bn, on the premise I can claw £20bn elsewhere beyond income tax.
It's eerrr...punchy on wealth and pension relief (or lack of).
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