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  • kingstongraham
    kingstongraham Posts: 28,228
    shortfall said:

    surrey_commuter said:

    shortfall said:

    kingstongraham said:

    shortfall said:

    kingstongraham said:

    Also cakestop."Don't worry it's only wasps. Wasps kill loads of people anyway. You'll probably be unaffected by the wasps. They're only wasps for god's sake. We can't do anything about what turns out to be the killer wasps that put you in intensive care, we just have to live with them, and anyone who says they are worth avoiding is a scaredy cat. And Sweden."

    I obviously touched a nerve 😘
    I do find it a bit weird that there are opinions in cakestop from all sides, but there are moans about it being an echo chamber.

    I like reading your input even when I disagree, because it makes me try to justify my thinking.
    There are a few dissenting voices (NickIce, Coopster, Stevo, Me) but I'd say we were heavily outnumbered. I initially used an individual's name in my caption post but I changed it to the more generic "cakestop" after a short period of reflection.
    Are you arguing that Cakestop is united in general or that they are united against Tories?

    If the former then it is more of a swirling (small) mass taking different sides on different topics.

    If this thread then you would have to see what people’s objections are. Mine is that they elected a fvck wit as leader and morphed into the Labour Party of Ed Miliband. My opposition to Govt borrowing puts me at odds with everybody else and mainstream economics.
    My point is that whilst there is variation on some topics (let's say lockdown) where the majority opinion here is that lockdown works and there is only slight deviation on when it should be done and for how long not whether it's actually the wrong thing to do which is left to me and Coopster to argue the point (now just Coopster because I gave up banging my head against a brick wall despite Sweden's approach looking increasingly like it was a good idea after all). Similarly the Brexit debate where the majority opinion appears to be that it was boneheaded on every level and the only disagreement is around the fringes about ways to mitigate the effects. Once again it's left to Coopster, Stevo and myself to argue that it might have actually been the right thing to do although not in the disastrous manner we've done it via a ridiculous referendum with no plan for if we voted Leave, and with botched negotiation from a succession of cretins at the helm. Again I bowed out of the debate because I was almost a lone voice drowned out by a chorus of metropolitan Europhiles who didn't seem to understand or care why so many working class people voted to leave, and once again Coopster and Stevo are left to fight the fray. There are other examples of debate I've found in my 4 or 5 years on here that are dominated by middle class, metropolitan, libertarian voices where the few dissenters are dismissed as either David David Icke types or harmless eccentrics to be ignored or patted on the head. So yeah you might argue with Rick about the levels of debt and a few other points but most of you' are probably on the same page about most of the big issues I would guess.
    I've got bad news for you about Stevo
  • Pross
    Pross Posts: 43,601
    I think someone is reinventing history in suggesting any of the Pro Brexit posters on here have ever suggested they support the principle but that it has been done badly. There's Stevo who didn't support it but thinks people should accept it and make the best of it but would never criticise the handling of it by a Tory Government. I've never seen Coopster criticise the delivery of it only the people who don't want it. The most coherent supporter of it on here is Big Bean.
  • Stevo_666
    Stevo_666 Posts: 61,840
    Pross said:

    There's Stevo who didn't support it but thinks people should accept it and make the best of it

    My stance is pretty realistic - as let's face it, people don't have a lot of choice in that unless they're prepared to emigrate.

    Although I have been fairly consistent in tackling those who have been overly pessimistic about Brexit and those who take the rather one sided and simplistic position that EU = good, UK = bad.
    "I spent most of my money on birds, booze and fast cars: the rest of it I just squandered." [George Best]
  • Stevo_666
    Stevo_666 Posts: 61,840
    orraloon said:

    Why did so many 'working class' people vote to Leave? Wtf has 40 years of Tory initiated de-industrialisation and drive to low wage service economy have to do with the EU membership or not?

    You can't beat a good old fashioned leftiebollox myth. Ironically coming from someone who forms part of the sector of the economy referred to so scathingly by himself ;)
    "I spent most of my money on birds, booze and fast cars: the rest of it I just squandered." [George Best]
  • surrey_commuter
    surrey_commuter Posts: 18,867
    Stevo_666 said:

    Pross said:

    There's Stevo who didn't support it but thinks people should accept it and make the best of it

    My stance is pretty realistic - as let's face it, people don't have a lot of choice in that unless they're prepared to emigrate.

    Although I have been fairly consistent in tackling those who have been overly pessimistic about Brexit and those who take the rather one sided and simplistic position that EU = good, UK = bad.
    LOL - we are all well aware that you invented a position and attacked on that basis.

    I assume you are aware that your only consistency is in supporting the position of whoever is Tory leader.
  • rjsterry
    rjsterry Posts: 29,829
    Stevo_666 said:

    Pross said:

    There's Stevo who didn't support it but thinks people should accept it and make the best of it

    My stance is pretty realistic - as let's face it, people don't have a lot of choice in that unless they're prepared to emigrate.

    Although I have been fairly consistent in tackling those who have been overly pessimistic about Brexit and those who take the rather one sided and simplistic position that EU = good, UK = bad.
    I think most of us accept it. We have already left after all. Like @shortfall I think it's difficult to think of a worse way to approach the negotiations than we have done. Mainly because government are still negotiating with their own party rather than/as well as the EU. The main criticism of the EU seems to be just that they are inflexible, which is a bit like complaining that the sky is blue. It also sounds a lot like complaining that a competitor is trying compete with us.
    1985 Mercian King of Mercia - work in progress (Hah! Who am I kidding?)
    Pinnacle Monzonite

    Part of the anti-growth coalition
  • coopster_the_1st
    coopster_the_1st Posts: 5,158
    rjsterry said:

    This picture by Andrew Parsons doing the rounds says quite a lot.



    Insert your own captions.

    We really need to know who Whitty is shouting at as it is none of those seen in the picture.

    Sunak would be my first guess with Gove a distant second

    If it is true that Whitty has moved to a ZeroCovid approach with his rumoured 2 week lockdown then this could be the start of him being thrown under the bus.
  • Stevo_666
    Stevo_666 Posts: 61,840
    surrey_commuter said:

    Stevo_666 said:

    Pross said:

    There's Stevo who didn't support it but thinks people should accept it and make the best of it

    My stance is pretty realistic - as let's face it, people don't have a lot of choice in that unless they're prepared to emigrate.

    Although I have been fairly consistent in tackling those who have been overly pessimistic about Brexit and those who take the rather one sided and simplistic position that EU = good, UK = bad.
    LOL - we are all well aware that you invented a position and attacked on that basis.
    You'll have to explain that one.
    "I spent most of my money on birds, booze and fast cars: the rest of it I just squandered." [George Best]
  • Stevo_666
    Stevo_666 Posts: 61,840
    rjsterry said:

    Stevo_666 said:

    Pross said:

    There's Stevo who didn't support it but thinks people should accept it and make the best of it

    My stance is pretty realistic - as let's face it, people don't have a lot of choice in that unless they're prepared to emigrate.

    Although I have been fairly consistent in tackling those who have been overly pessimistic about Brexit and those who take the rather one sided and simplistic position that EU = good, UK = bad.
    I think most of us accept it. We have already left after all. Like @shortfall I think it's difficult to think of a worse way to approach the negotiations than we have done. Mainly because government are still negotiating with their own party rather than/as well as the EU. The main criticism of the EU seems to be just that they are inflexible, which is a bit like complaining that the sky is blue. It also sounds a lot like complaining that a competitor is trying compete with us.
    Bit ironic when the EUs attempts to keep us within their influence is motivated to a large defree by a desire to stop us competing freely with them.
    "I spent most of my money on birds, booze and fast cars: the rest of it I just squandered." [George Best]
  • rjsterry
    rjsterry Posts: 29,829
    edited September 2020
    Stevo_666 said:

    rjsterry said:

    Stevo_666 said:

    Pross said:

    There's Stevo who didn't support it but thinks people should accept it and make the best of it

    My stance is pretty realistic - as let's face it, people don't have a lot of choice in that unless they're prepared to emigrate.

    Although I have been fairly consistent in tackling those who have been overly pessimistic about Brexit and those who take the rather one sided and simplistic position that EU = good, UK = bad.
    I think most of us accept it. We have already left after all. Like @shortfall I think it's difficult to think of a worse way to approach the negotiations than we have done. Mainly because government are still negotiating with their own party rather than/as well as the EU. The main criticism of the EU seems to be just that they are inflexible, which is a bit like complaining that the sky is blue. It also sounds a lot like complaining that a competitor is trying compete with us.
    Bit ironic when the EUs attempts to keep us within their influence is motivated to a large defree by a desire to stop us competing freely with them.
    Not at all, restricting our ability to compete is what I would expect a competitor to do. This is what being a third country feels like. If we don't want to be part of the gang we need to stop whining about not being treated like part of the gang.
    1985 Mercian King of Mercia - work in progress (Hah! Who am I kidding?)
    Pinnacle Monzonite

    Part of the anti-growth coalition
  • Stevo_666
    Stevo_666 Posts: 61,840
    rjsterry said:

    Stevo_666 said:

    rjsterry said:

    Stevo_666 said:

    Pross said:

    There's Stevo who didn't support it but thinks people should accept it and make the best of it

    My stance is pretty realistic - as let's face it, people don't have a lot of choice in that unless they're prepared to emigrate.

    Although I have been fairly consistent in tackling those who have been overly pessimistic about Brexit and those who take the rather one sided and simplistic position that EU = good, UK = bad.
    I think most of us accept it. We have already left after all. Like @shortfall I think it's difficult to think of a worse way to approach the negotiations than we have done. Mainly because government are still negotiating with their own party rather than/as well as the EU. The main criticism of the EU seems to be just that they are inflexible, which is a bit like complaining that the sky is blue. It also sounds a lot like complaining that a competitor is trying compete with us.
    Bit ironic when the EUs attempts to keep us within their influence is motivated to a large defree by a desire to stop us competing freely with them.
    Not at all, restricting our ability to compete is what I would expect a competitor to do. This is what being a third country feels like. If we don't want to be part of the gang we need to stop whining about not being treated like part of the gang.
    Who's whining? We're looking forward to us competing with a highly taxed and highly regulated EU :smile:
    "I spent most of my money on birds, booze and fast cars: the rest of it I just squandered." [George Best]
  • rick_chasey
    rick_chasey Posts: 75,660
    Stevo_666 said:

    rjsterry said:

    Stevo_666 said:

    rjsterry said:

    Stevo_666 said:

    Pross said:

    There's Stevo who didn't support it but thinks people should accept it and make the best of it

    My stance is pretty realistic - as let's face it, people don't have a lot of choice in that unless they're prepared to emigrate.

    Although I have been fairly consistent in tackling those who have been overly pessimistic about Brexit and those who take the rather one sided and simplistic position that EU = good, UK = bad.
    I think most of us accept it. We have already left after all. Like @shortfall I think it's difficult to think of a worse way to approach the negotiations than we have done. Mainly because government are still negotiating with their own party rather than/as well as the EU. The main criticism of the EU seems to be just that they are inflexible, which is a bit like complaining that the sky is blue. It also sounds a lot like complaining that a competitor is trying compete with us.
    Bit ironic when the EUs attempts to keep us within their influence is motivated to a large defree by a desire to stop us competing freely with them.
    Not at all, restricting our ability to compete is what I would expect a competitor to do. This is what being a third country feels like. If we don't want to be part of the gang we need to stop whining about not being treated like part of the gang.
    Who's whining? We're looking forward to us competing with a highly taxed and highly regulated EU :smile:
    Ah yes, I’m sure Luxembourg will be very worried.
    _
  • surrey_commuter
    surrey_commuter Posts: 18,867
    Stevo_666 said:

    rjsterry said:

    Stevo_666 said:

    rjsterry said:

    Stevo_666 said:

    Pross said:

    There's Stevo who didn't support it but thinks people should accept it and make the best of it

    My stance is pretty realistic - as let's face it, people don't have a lot of choice in that unless they're prepared to emigrate.

    Although I have been fairly consistent in tackling those who have been overly pessimistic about Brexit and those who take the rather one sided and simplistic position that EU = good, UK = bad.
    I think most of us accept it. We have already left after all. Like @shortfall I think it's difficult to think of a worse way to approach the negotiations than we have done. Mainly because government are still negotiating with their own party rather than/as well as the EU. The main criticism of the EU seems to be just that they are inflexible, which is a bit like complaining that the sky is blue. It also sounds a lot like complaining that a competitor is trying compete with us.
    Bit ironic when the EUs attempts to keep us within their influence is motivated to a large defree by a desire to stop us competing freely with them.
    Not at all, restricting our ability to compete is what I would expect a competitor to do. This is what being a third country feels like. If we don't want to be part of the gang we need to stop whining about not being treated like part of the gang.
    Who's whining? We're looking forward to us competing with a highly taxed and highly regulated EU :smile:
    I think you may have inadvertently hit the nail on the head, other than the fact that we will not be competing because we will not have access to the SM because we decline to follow their regulations.

    With the increased role of the State as envisaged by Comrade Boris you may find any tax advantage eroded. No reason to suggest that he won’t be very good at picking winners and continue the fine traditions of the pre-Thatcher policy.
  • Stevo_666
    Stevo_666 Posts: 61,840
    rick_chasey said:

    Stevo_666 said:

    rjsterry said:

    Stevo_666 said:

    rjsterry said:

    Stevo_666 said:

    Pross said:

    There's Stevo who didn't support it but thinks people should accept it and make the best of it

    My stance is pretty realistic - as let's face it, people don't have a lot of choice in that unless they're prepared to emigrate.

    Although I have been fairly consistent in tackling those who have been overly pessimistic about Brexit and those who take the rather one sided and simplistic position that EU = good, UK = bad.
    I think most of us accept it. We have already left after all. Like @shortfall I think it's difficult to think of a worse way to approach the negotiations than we have done. Mainly because government are still negotiating with their own party rather than/as well as the EU. The main criticism of the EU seems to be just that they are inflexible, which is a bit like complaining that the sky is blue. It also sounds a lot like complaining that a competitor is trying compete with us.
    Bit ironic when the EUs attempts to keep us within their influence is motivated to a large defree by a desire to stop us competing freely with them.
    Not at all, restricting our ability to compete is what I would expect a competitor to do. This is what being a third country feels like. If we don't want to be part of the gang we need to stop whining about not being treated like part of the gang.
    Who's whining? We're looking forward to us competing with a highly taxed and highly regulated EU :smile:
    Ah yes, I’m sure Luxembourg will be very worried.
    To small to be of any concern. But it goes a bit wider than that.
    "I spent most of my money on birds, booze and fast cars: the rest of it I just squandered." [George Best]
  • Stevo_666
    Stevo_666 Posts: 61,840
    edited September 2020
    surrey_commuter said:

    Stevo_666 said:

    rjsterry said:

    Stevo_666 said:

    rjsterry said:

    Stevo_666 said:

    Pross said:

    There's Stevo who didn't support it but thinks people should accept it and make the best of it

    My stance is pretty realistic - as let's face it, people don't have a lot of choice in that unless they're prepared to emigrate.

    Although I have been fairly consistent in tackling those who have been overly pessimistic about Brexit and those who take the rather one sided and simplistic position that EU = good, UK = bad.
    I think most of us accept it. We have already left after all. Like @shortfall I think it's difficult to think of a worse way to approach the negotiations than we have done. Mainly because government are still negotiating with their own party rather than/as well as the EU. The main criticism of the EU seems to be just that they are inflexible, which is a bit like complaining that the sky is blue. It also sounds a lot like complaining that a competitor is trying compete with us.
    Bit ironic when the EUs attempts to keep us within their influence is motivated to a large defree by a desire to stop us competing freely with them.
    Not at all, restricting our ability to compete is what I would expect a competitor to do. This is what being a third country feels like. If we don't want to be part of the gang we need to stop whining about not being treated like part of the gang.
    Who's whining? We're looking forward to us competing with a highly taxed and highly regulated EU :smile:
    I think you may have inadvertently hit the nail on the head, other than the fact that we will not be competing because we will not have access to the SM because we decline to follow their regulations.

    With the increased role of the State as envisaged by Comrade Boris you may find any tax advantage eroded. No reason to suggest that he won’t be very good at picking winners and continue the fine traditions of the pre-Thatcher policy.
    It's not that difficult to get a CE marking etc.

    And we can also compete with EU firms in the 85% of the world outside little Europe.
    "I spent most of my money on birds, booze and fast cars: the rest of it I just squandered." [George Best]
  • rick_chasey
    rick_chasey Posts: 75,660
    Stevo_666 said:

    rick_chasey said:

    Stevo_666 said:

    rjsterry said:

    Stevo_666 said:

    rjsterry said:

    Stevo_666 said:

    Pross said:

    There's Stevo who didn't support it but thinks people should accept it and make the best of it

    My stance is pretty realistic - as let's face it, people don't have a lot of choice in that unless they're prepared to emigrate.

    Although I have been fairly consistent in tackling those who have been overly pessimistic about Brexit and those who take the rather one sided and simplistic position that EU = good, UK = bad.
    I think most of us accept it. We have already left after all. Like @shortfall I think it's difficult to think of a worse way to approach the negotiations than we have done. Mainly because government are still negotiating with their own party rather than/as well as the EU. The main criticism of the EU seems to be just that they are inflexible, which is a bit like complaining that the sky is blue. It also sounds a lot like complaining that a competitor is trying compete with us.
    Bit ironic when the EUs attempts to keep us within their influence is motivated to a large defree by a desire to stop us competing freely with them.
    Not at all, restricting our ability to compete is what I would expect a competitor to do. This is what being a third country feels like. If we don't want to be part of the gang we need to stop whining about not being treated like part of the gang.
    Who's whining? We're looking forward to us competing with a highly taxed and highly regulated EU :smile:
    Ah yes, I’m sure Luxembourg will be very worried.
    To small to be of any concern. But it goes a bit wider than that.
    I think you may be disappointed if you think the U.K. is going to be low tax...
    _
  • surrey_commuter
    surrey_commuter Posts: 18,867
    Stevo_666 said:

    surrey_commuter said:

    Stevo_666 said:

    rjsterry said:

    Stevo_666 said:

    rjsterry said:

    Stevo_666 said:

    Pross said:

    There's Stevo who didn't support it but thinks people should accept it and make the best of it

    My stance is pretty realistic - as let's face it, people don't have a lot of choice in that unless they're prepared to emigrate.

    Although I have been fairly consistent in tackling those who have been overly pessimistic about Brexit and those who take the rather one sided and simplistic position that EU = good, UK = bad.
    I think most of us accept it. We have already left after all. Like @shortfall I think it's difficult to think of a worse way to approach the negotiations than we have done. Mainly because government are still negotiating with their own party rather than/as well as the EU. The main criticism of the EU seems to be just that they are inflexible, which is a bit like complaining that the sky is blue. It also sounds a lot like complaining that a competitor is trying compete with us.
    Bit ironic when the EUs attempts to keep us within their influence is motivated to a large defree by a desire to stop us competing freely with them.
    Not at all, restricting our ability to compete is what I would expect a competitor to do. This is what being a third country feels like. If we don't want to be part of the gang we need to stop whining about not being treated like part of the gang.
    Who's whining? We're looking forward to us competing with a highly taxed and highly regulated EU :smile:
    I think you may have inadvertently hit the nail on the head, other than the fact that we will not be competing because we will not have access to the SM because we decline to follow their regulations.

    With the increased role of the State as envisaged by Comrade Boris you may find any tax advantage eroded. No reason to suggest that he won’t be very good at picking winners and continue the fine traditions of the pre-Thatcher policy.
    It's not that difficult to get a CE marking etc.

    And we can also compete with EU firms in the 85% of the world outside little Europe.
    Does a CE mark help with passporting?
  • Stevo_666
    Stevo_666 Posts: 61,840
    surrey_commuter said:

    Stevo_666 said:

    surrey_commuter said:

    Stevo_666 said:

    rjsterry said:

    Stevo_666 said:

    rjsterry said:

    Stevo_666 said:

    Pross said:

    There's Stevo who didn't support it but thinks people should accept it and make the best of it

    My stance is pretty realistic - as let's face it, people don't have a lot of choice in that unless they're prepared to emigrate.

    Although I have been fairly consistent in tackling those who have been overly pessimistic about Brexit and those who take the rather one sided and simplistic position that EU = good, UK = bad.
    I think most of us accept it. We have already left after all. Like @shortfall I think it's difficult to think of a worse way to approach the negotiations than we have done. Mainly because government are still negotiating with their own party rather than/as well as the EU. The main criticism of the EU seems to be just that they are inflexible, which is a bit like complaining that the sky is blue. It also sounds a lot like complaining that a competitor is trying compete with us.
    Bit ironic when the EUs attempts to keep us within their influence is motivated to a large defree by a desire to stop us competing freely with them.
    Not at all, restricting our ability to compete is what I would expect a competitor to do. This is what being a third country feels like. If we don't want to be part of the gang we need to stop whining about not being treated like part of the gang.
    Who's whining? We're looking forward to us competing with a highly taxed and highly regulated EU :smile:
    I think you may have inadvertently hit the nail on the head, other than the fact that we will not be competing because we will not have access to the SM because we decline to follow their regulations.

    With the increased role of the State as envisaged by Comrade Boris you may find any tax advantage eroded. No reason to suggest that he won’t be very good at picking winners and continue the fine traditions of the pre-Thatcher policy.
    It's not that difficult to get a CE marking etc.

    And we can also compete with EU firms in the 85% of the world outside little Europe.
    Does a CE mark help with passporting?
    You know the answer to that. As for for passporting, think about EU financial institutions needing access to the worlds largest financial market.
    "I spent most of my money on birds, booze and fast cars: the rest of it I just squandered." [George Best]
  • Stevo_666
    Stevo_666 Posts: 61,840
    rick_chasey said:

    Stevo_666 said:

    rick_chasey said:

    Stevo_666 said:

    rjsterry said:

    Stevo_666 said:

    rjsterry said:

    Stevo_666 said:

    Pross said:

    There's Stevo who didn't support it but thinks people should accept it and make the best of it

    My stance is pretty realistic - as let's face it, people don't have a lot of choice in that unless they're prepared to emigrate.

    Although I have been fairly consistent in tackling those who have been overly pessimistic about Brexit and those who take the rather one sided and simplistic position that EU = good, UK = bad.
    I think most of us accept it. We have already left after all. Like @shortfall I think it's difficult to think of a worse way to approach the negotiations than we have done. Mainly because government are still negotiating with their own party rather than/as well as the EU. The main criticism of the EU seems to be just that they are inflexible, which is a bit like complaining that the sky is blue. It also sounds a lot like complaining that a competitor is trying compete with us.
    Bit ironic when the EUs attempts to keep us within their influence is motivated to a large defree by a desire to stop us competing freely with them.
    Not at all, restricting our ability to compete is what I would expect a competitor to do. This is what being a third country feels like. If we don't want to be part of the gang we need to stop whining about not being treated like part of the gang.
    Who's whining? We're looking forward to us competing with a highly taxed and highly regulated EU :smile:
    Ah yes, I’m sure Luxembourg will be very worried.
    To small to be of any concern. But it goes a bit wider than that.
    I think you may be disappointed if you think the U.K. is going to be low tax...
    Relatively speaking. Do you think the EU is planning to lower taxes in the long term?
    "I spent most of my money on birds, booze and fast cars: the rest of it I just squandered." [George Best]
  • briantrumpet
    briantrumpet Posts: 20,789
    Cummings, perhaps?


    https://www.facebook.com/unanglaisendiois
  • tailwindhome
    tailwindhome Posts: 19,461
    briantrumpet said:

    Cummings, perhaps?


    Are we shooting at the EU or the virus or both?
    “New York has the haircuts, London has the trousers, but Belfast has the reason!
  • orraloon
    orraloon Posts: 13,275
    Neither. At our own feet.
  • briantrumpet
    briantrumpet Posts: 20,789
    tailwindhome said:

    briantrumpet said:

    Cummings, perhaps?


    Are we shooting at the EU or the virus or both?

    Anyone except Johnson, I guess. Ironic.
    https://www.facebook.com/unanglaisendiois
  • rick_chasey
    rick_chasey Posts: 75,660
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  • surrey_commuter
    surrey_commuter Posts: 18,867
    rick_chasey said:

    I don’t get it
    Who is he?
    Why has he linked these three old stories?
    Why is it interesting that he has posted this?
  • rick_chasey
    rick_chasey Posts: 75,660
    surrey_commuter said:

    rick_chasey said:

    I don’t get it
    Who is he?
    Why has he linked these three old stories?
    Why is it interesting that he has posted this?
    Just a bit of a laugh at the U.K. attempts to go solo re its satellite programme
    _
  • surrey_commuter
    surrey_commuter Posts: 18,867
    rick_chasey said:

    surrey_commuter said:

    rick_chasey said:

    I don’t get it
    Who is he?
    Why has he linked these three old stories?
    Why is it interesting that he has posted this?
    Just a bit of a laugh at the U.K. attempts to go solo re its satellite programme
    And he has only just found this out?

    I still don’t get it. It is hardly like he has cunningly placed three unrelated stories next to each other for unexpected comedic effect
  • surrey_commuter
    surrey_commuter Posts: 18,867
    Anyway surely a far better story brewing linking Boris directly to the KGB, oligarchs, cash for honours and must odious of all accusations of freeloading.

    In normal circumstances the lying would be his downfall but that is already taken for granted.

    The cost for his will be the failed Zoom call he made to 250 MPs which will result in them having to face up to the utter contempt that he has for them.

  • coopster_the_1st
    coopster_the_1st Posts: 5,158
    shortfall said:

    kingstongraham said:

    shortfall said:

    kingstongraham said:

    Also cakestop."Don't worry it's only wasps. Wasps kill loads of people anyway. You'll probably be unaffected by the wasps. They're only wasps for god's sake. We can't do anything about what turns out to be the killer wasps that put you in intensive care, we just have to live with them, and anyone who says they are worth avoiding is a scaredy cat. And Sweden."

    I obviously touched a nerve 😘
    I do find it a bit weird that there are opinions in cakestop from all sides, but there are moans about it being an echo chamber.

    I like reading your input even when I disagree, because it makes me try to justify my thinking.
    There are a few dissenting voices (NickIce, Coopster, Stevo, Me) but I'd say we were heavily outnumbered. I initially used an individual's name in my caption post but I changed it to the more generic "cakestop" after a short period of reflection.
    Some of us are less susceptible to Project Fear and are able to apply critical thinking to the rubbish being put out to form an opinion.

    Many others, despite their claims of education and intelligence, are not...
  • kingstongraham
    kingstongraham Posts: 28,228
    surrey_commuter said:

    rick_chasey said:

    surrey_commuter said:

    rick_chasey said:

    I don’t get it
    Who is he?
    Why has he linked these three old stories?
    Why is it interesting that he has posted this?
    Just a bit of a laugh at the U.K. attempts to go solo re its satellite programme
    And he has only just found this out?

    I still don’t get it. It is hardly like he has cunningly placed three unrelated stories next to each other for unexpected comedic effect

    Are they unrelated or old?

    19 sept 2020:

    https://www.telegraph.co.uk/technology/2020/09/19/uk-reset-sat-nav-plans-scrapping-work-5bn-galileo-rival/


    26 Jun 2020:

    https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2020/06/25/boris-johnson-backs-buying-stake-satellite-rival-eus-galileo/

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