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  • briantrumpet
    briantrumpet Posts: 20,750
    veronese68 said:

    Stevo_666 said:

    veronese68 said:

    Stevo_666 said:


    - Took a suitably firm line with the EU and delivered the WA

    Was this when he delivered the "oven-ready deal" he promised in the election campaign?
    WA is in the bag. On the trade deal, I think we underestimated how dogmatic and inflexible the EU could be over things like fishing. Hey ho.
    So it's the EU's fault he lied about having a deal ready to go? That seems a bit of a stretch.
    Your absolute refusal to admit to any failings on the part of the current government doesn't give your arguments any more credibility, it actually makes you seem more of a nutter.
    It's the fact that even The Telegraph are starting to realise that the Tories are screwing things up that makes Steve's rose-tinted glasses appear appear more like blinkers.

    Like Pross, I've cast a lot of votes for Tories (since 1982, in my case), but the current rabble aren't the Conservative Party as it once was. Even Thatcher welcomed dissent, as does anyone who believes in the strength of their argument. I can't imagine her response being "CBA".
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  • Stevo_666
    Stevo_666 Posts: 61,820
    edited August 2020
    veronese68 said:

    Stevo_666 said:

    veronese68 said:

    Stevo_666 said:


    - Took a suitably firm line with the EU and delivered the WA

    Was this when he delivered the "oven-ready deal" he promised in the election campaign?
    WA is in the bag. On the trade deal, I think we underestimated how dogmatic and inflexible the EU could be over things like fishing. Hey ho.
    So it's the EU's fault he lied about having a deal ready to go? That seems a bit of a stretch.
    Your absolute refusal to admit to any failings on the part of the current government doesn't give your arguments any more credibility, it actually makes you seem more of a nutter.
    I don't always fancy answering interrogation style questions where the main aim is to to get me to say something the Cake Stop Lib Dem brigade want to hear. They (and you) have already made their minds up so it's pointless.

    But it is faintly amusing watching the steam come out of their ears when I don't ;)
    "I spent most of my money on birds, booze and fast cars: the rest of it I just squandered." [George Best]
  • Stevo_666
    Stevo_666 Posts: 61,820
    briantrumpet said:

    veronese68 said:

    Stevo_666 said:

    veronese68 said:

    Stevo_666 said:


    - Took a suitably firm line with the EU and delivered the WA

    Was this when he delivered the "oven-ready deal" he promised in the election campaign?
    WA is in the bag. On the trade deal, I think we underestimated how dogmatic and inflexible the EU could be over things like fishing. Hey ho.
    So it's the EU's fault he lied about having a deal ready to go? That seems a bit of a stretch.
    Your absolute refusal to admit to any failings on the part of the current government doesn't give your arguments any more credibility, it actually makes you seem more of a nutter.
    It's the fact that even The Telegraph are starting to realise that the Tories are screwing things up that makes Steve's rose-tinted glasses appear appear more like blinkers.

    Like Pross, I've cast a lot of votes for Tories (since 1982, in my case), but the current rabble aren't the Conservative Party as it once was. Even Thatcher welcomed dissent, as does anyone who believes in the strength of their argument. I can't imagine her response being "CBA".
    If you had to put up with Orraloons bad attitude in the his line of questions I dare say you'd do the same. I think I've been quite polite to him in the circumstances.
    "I spent most of my money on birds, booze and fast cars: the rest of it I just squandered." [George Best]
  • orraloon
    orraloon Posts: 13,271
    Ahem. Bad attitude? As in merely reminding you of your failure to answer an open question? Methinks you might have a wee issue there pal.

    Btw, even without applying Gavin 'not my fault' Williamson's "algorithm", your response so far ain't gonna get you much more than a GCSE G/1. You could of course resit.
  • focuszing723
    focuszing723 Posts: 8,154
    I still can't see past Cummings beauty spot eye test. I mean for fvck sake when you treat the general public with such contempt!

    Johnson just looks inept and weak, he's more Chaplin than Churchill.
  • orraloon
    orraloon Posts: 13,271
    And another thing, With all your leftie bollox chitchat you do realise you are interacting with a card carrying member of the Conservative party?

    Ok, as in former having fallen into the 0.1% of the electorate actually allowed to vote for the prime minister and losing. No way I was giving any more subs to that bunch of W4nkerBo c*cksuckers.
  • Stevo_666
    Stevo_666 Posts: 61,820
    edited August 2020
    orraloon said:

    And another thing, With all your leftie bollox chitchat you do realise you are interacting with a card carrying member of the Conservative party?

    Ok, as in former having fallen into the 0.1% of the electorate actually allowed to vote for the prime minister and losing. No way I was giving any more subs to that bunch of W4nkerBo c*cksuckers.

    Oh I know that. Bit of a copycat job after my joining the Labour party, wouldn't you say? Unfortunately you wasted your money whereas my 3 quid was pretty good value for money ;)

    As for the bad attitude, look at the language you use in your posts. The one above demonstrates it quite neatly. More ketchup?
    "I spent most of my money on birds, booze and fast cars: the rest of it I just squandered." [George Best]
  • rick_chasey
    rick_chasey Posts: 75,660
    focuszing723 said:

    I still can't see past Cummings beauty spot eye test. I mean for fvck sake when you treat the general public with such contempt!

    Johnson just looks inept and weak, he's more Chaplin than Churchill.

    The ever growing list of mates of Cummings or Gove who win government contracts with no tender who are always part of a f@ck up winds me up no end.
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  • surrey_commuter
    surrey_commuter Posts: 18,867
    rick_chasey said:

    focuszing723 said:

    I still can't see past Cummings beauty spot eye test. I mean for fvck sake when you treat the general public with such contempt!

    Johnson just looks inept and weak, he's more Chaplin than Churchill.

    The ever growing list of mates of Cummings or Gove who win government contracts with no tender who are always part of a f@ck up winds me up no end.
    I see the problem as twofold as you waste money and get the wrong person in to do the job. As there is nothing in our constitution to stop them, how about giving them a £1bn slush fund to distribute to their mates?
  • kingstongraham
    kingstongraham Posts: 28,228
    Winning is the only goal. There is nothing else, except the others lose.

    It's politics as football.
  • morstar
    morstar Posts: 6,190
    edited August 2020
    kingstongraham said:

    Winning is the only goal. There is nothing else, except the others lose.

    It's politics as football.

    This is ultimately where we are. The whole big data thing has become a vehicle to give the people what they perceive they want with no coherent underlying policy.
    I am utterly convinced it will completely unravel but I fear it may take longer than I’d like and too much damage may be done in the process.
  • rick_chasey
    rick_chasey Posts: 75,660
    surrey_commuter said:

    rick_chasey said:

    focuszing723 said:

    I still can't see past Cummings beauty spot eye test. I mean for fvck sake when you treat the general public with such contempt!

    Johnson just looks inept and weak, he's more Chaplin than Churchill.

    The ever growing list of mates of Cummings or Gove who win government contracts with no tender who are always part of a f@ck up winds me up no end.
    I see the problem as twofold as you waste money and get the wrong person in to do the job. As there is nothing in our constitution to stop them, how about giving them a £1bn slush fund to distribute to their mates?
    Party of grifters. Shows what their priorities are.

    That MP who took a bung from a property firm? Why has he not been sacked?

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  • kingstongraham
    kingstongraham Posts: 28,228
    surrey_commuter said:

    rick_chasey said:

    focuszing723 said:

    I still can't see past Cummings beauty spot eye test. I mean for fvck sake when you treat the general public with such contempt!

    Johnson just looks inept and weak, he's more Chaplin than Churchill.

    The ever growing list of mates of Cummings or Gove who win government contracts with no tender who are always part of a f@ck up winds me up no end.
    I see the problem as twofold as you waste money and get the wrong person in to do the job. As there is nothing in our constitution to stop them, how about giving them a £1bn slush fund to distribute to their mates?
    Why would that stop them?
  • rjsterry
    rjsterry Posts: 29,814
    edited August 2020
    rick_chasey said:

    surrey_commuter said:

    rick_chasey said:

    focuszing723 said:

    I still can't see past Cummings beauty spot eye test. I mean for fvck sake when you treat the general public with such contempt!

    Johnson just looks inept and weak, he's more Chaplin than Churchill.

    The ever growing list of mates of Cummings or Gove who win government contracts with no tender who are always part of a f@ck up winds me up no end.
    I see the problem as twofold as you waste money and get the wrong person in to do the job. As there is nothing in our constitution to stop them, how about giving them a £1bn slush fund to distribute to their mates?
    Party of grifters. Shows what their priorities are.

    That MP who took a bung from a property firm? Why has he not been sacked?

    I think it's just the leadership rather than the party. There have been a few articles on Johnson's approach to loyalty and his need to be liked. Compare the treatment of Julian Lewis with Jenrick, Williamson, etc.
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    Part of the anti-growth coalition
  • rick_chasey
    rick_chasey Posts: 75,660
    edited August 2020
    rjsterry said:

    rick_chasey said:

    surrey_commuter said:

    rick_chasey said:

    focuszing723 said:

    I still can't see past Cummings beauty spot eye test. I mean for fvck sake when you treat the general public with such contempt!

    Johnson just looks inept and weak, he's more Chaplin than Churchill.

    The ever growing list of mates of Cummings or Gove who win government contracts with no tender who are always part of a f@ck up winds me up no end.
    I see the problem as twofold as you waste money and get the wrong person in to do the job. As there is nothing in our constitution to stop them, how about giving them a £1bn slush fund to distribute to their mates?
    Party of grifters. Shows what their priorities are.

    That MP who took a bung from a property firm? Why has he not been sacked?

    I think it's just the leadership rather than the party. There have been a few articles on Johnson's approach to loyalty and his need to be liked. Compare the treatment of Julian Lewis with Jenrick, Williamson, etc.
    People talk about how trust in democracies is eroded and the number one is when the government starts to line their own and their mate's pockets.

    In what world is taking a bung not a sackable, even imprisonable, offence?

    They should make putting government contracts out to tender the law - or at least, they must declare they have no personal connection or interest in it if it does not - with penal sanctions if they are found to have lied.

    Grease ends systems of government.
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  • rick_chasey
    rick_chasey Posts: 75,660
    I wonder why this government is so against scrutiny?

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  • surrey_commuter
    surrey_commuter Posts: 18,867
    My assumption is that our politicians have always been corrupt as defined by the commercial sector. I don't believe there was any real legal or constitutional regulations keeping them in check just a sense of what felt right and shame. This lot inspired by Trump realise that if you have enough brass neck you can do what you want and after a while the public and media will become immune to it.

    What will be interesting is if Biden wins whether he will benchmark his behaviour against Trump or go back to a pre-Trump world.

    Also if Trump gets thrashed at the polls will Boris moderate his behaviour? this assumes that he wants a second term as he shows no signs of enjoying it.
  • kingstongraham
    kingstongraham Posts: 28,228
    surrey_commuter said:

    My assumption is that our politicians have always been corrupt as defined by the commercial sector. I don't believe there was any real legal or constitutional regulations keeping them in check just a sense of what felt right and shame. This lot inspired by Trump realise that if you have enough brass neck you can do what you want and after a while the public and media will become immune to it.

    What will be interesting is if Biden wins whether he will benchmark his behaviour against Trump or go back to a pre-Trump world.

    Also if Trump gets thrashed at the polls will Boris moderate his behaviour? this assumes that he wants a second term as he shows no signs of enjoying it.

    If Trump didn't keep saying the quiet part out loud, he'd probably win a second term.

  • rick_chasey
    rick_chasey Posts: 75,660
    edited August 2020
    surrey_commuter said:

    My assumption is that our politicians have always been corrupt as defined by the commercial sector. I don't believe there was any real legal or constitutional regulations keeping them in check just a sense of what felt right and shame. This lot inspired by Trump realise that if you have enough brass neck you can do what you want and after a while the public and media will become immune to it.

    What will be interesting is if Biden wins whether he will benchmark his behaviour against Trump or go back to a pre-Trump world.

    Also if Trump gets thrashed at the polls will Boris moderate his behaviour? this assumes that he wants a second term as he shows no signs of enjoying it.

    I'd be more interested in how the Biden lot treat BoJo. We already know what the Obama lot think of BoJo (like a British Trump) and there will be pretty big overlap between the biden lot and the obama lot.
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  • surrey_commuter
    surrey_commuter Posts: 18,867
    rick_chasey said:

    surrey_commuter said:

    My assumption is that our politicians have always been corrupt as defined by the commercial sector. I don't believe there was any real legal or constitutional regulations keeping them in check just a sense of what felt right and shame. This lot inspired by Trump realise that if you have enough brass neck you can do what you want and after a while the public and media will become immune to it.

    What will be interesting is if Biden wins whether he will benchmark his behaviour against Trump or go back to a pre-Trump world.

    Also if Trump gets thrashed at the polls will Boris moderate his behaviour? this assumes that he wants a second term as he shows no signs of enjoying it.

    I'd be more interested in how the Biden lot treat BoJo. We already know what the Obama lot think of BoJo (like a British Trump) and there will be pretty big overlap between the biden lot and the obama lot.
    apparently Biden keeps banging on about his Irish ancestry.

    IMHO the special relationship is just another part of British exceptionalism and only exists in the minds of the British. We will do as we are told whoever is their President and our PM and we will remain pathetically grateful for any crumbs that fall from the table.
  • rick_chasey
    rick_chasey Posts: 75,660
    edited August 2020
    surrey_commuter said:

    rick_chasey said:

    surrey_commuter said:

    My assumption is that our politicians have always been corrupt as defined by the commercial sector. I don't believe there was any real legal or constitutional regulations keeping them in check just a sense of what felt right and shame. This lot inspired by Trump realise that if you have enough brass neck you can do what you want and after a while the public and media will become immune to it.

    What will be interesting is if Biden wins whether he will benchmark his behaviour against Trump or go back to a pre-Trump world.

    Also if Trump gets thrashed at the polls will Boris moderate his behaviour? this assumes that he wants a second term as he shows no signs of enjoying it.

    I'd be more interested in how the Biden lot treat BoJo. We already know what the Obama lot think of BoJo (like a British Trump) and there will be pretty big overlap between the biden lot and the obama lot.
    apparently Biden keeps banging on about his Irish ancestry.

    IMHO the special relationship is just another part of British exceptionalism and only exists in the minds of the British. We will do as we are told whoever is their President and our PM and we will remain pathetically grateful for any crumbs that fall from the table.
    Oh for sure.

    Look, let's be honest, the main role of the UK for the US was its position as the only mid-atlantic (by politics) nation within the EU, so obviously that role is finished.

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  • surrey_commuter
    surrey_commuter Posts: 18,867
    BTW I have been feeling a little sorry for SteveO so thought I would help him out with a few things PM Johnson has done for the benefit of the UK.

    It is not the easiest thing to Google but all I can come up with are things that he has not done ie not breaking election promise to not raise income tax and VAT.

    This got me thinking that as he appears to have done nothing in 12 months and I like my politicians to do as little as possible am I being too harsh on him?

    So I am going to put forwards as a plus point for the UK all the things he has not done which will be done more efficiently by the market than if the Govt had interfered.
  • kingstongraham
    kingstongraham Posts: 28,228
    edited August 2020
    We all know it's tax cuts that generate the most tax income, so that's where they should be concentrating to pay for all the extra spending.
  • surrey_commuter
    surrey_commuter Posts: 18,867
    kingstongraham said:

    We all know it's tax cuts that generate the most tax income, so that's where they should be concentrating to pay for all the extra spending.

    I know you are taking the p1ss but I really think if you removed the 62% tax rate between £100-125k and dropped the 45%rate from £150k to £100k you would make more money.
  • orraloon
    orraloon Posts: 13,271
    Stevo_666 said:


    As for the bad attitude, look at the language you use in your posts. The one above demonstrates it quite neatly. More ketchup?

    Ooh matron, fan me vigorously and pass the smelling salts.
    If you think my terminology is a bit salty, you don't want to hear how DoSFABo is being described in the real world. By Tory voters as well.
  • coopster_the_1st
    coopster_the_1st Posts: 5,158
    orraloon said:

    Stevo_666 said:


    As for the bad attitude, look at the language you use in your posts. The one above demonstrates it quite neatly. More ketchup?

    Ooh matron, fan me vigorously and pass the smelling salts.
    If you think my terminology is a bit salty, you don't want to hear how DoSFABo is being described in the real world. By Tory voters as well.
    Here and the previous posts from loony is what it looks like when you are an alcoholic...
  • webboo
    webboo Posts: 6,087
    How do you know what posts look like from an alcoholic or are you speaking from personal experience.
  • orraloon
    orraloon Posts: 13,271

  • orraloon
    orraloon Posts: 13,271
    Btw Botster, in case you were thinking your somewhat puerile jibes were getting to me, no 'tain't me like wot iz flagging you. Not even close. You need to up your game a long way. Maybe get some advice from your botboss?
  • Stevo_666
    Stevo_666 Posts: 61,820
    coopster_the_1st said:

    orraloon said:

    Stevo_666 said:


    As for the bad attitude, look at the language you use in your posts. The one above demonstrates it quite neatly. More ketchup?

    Ooh matron, fan me vigorously and pass the smelling salts.
    If you think my terminology is a bit salty, you don't want to hear how DoSFABo is being described in the real world. By Tory voters as well.
    Here and the previous posts from loony is what it looks like when you are an alcoholic...
    Maybe he shouldn't post quite so much about drinking pretty much every night? Then people might not think he has a drinking problem.
    "I spent most of my money on birds, booze and fast cars: the rest of it I just squandered." [George Best]

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