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There's a by-election in Kent as well?rjsterry said:
The planning reforms aren't just a local issue. They affect leafy Kent, too.Stevo_666 said:
I think they realise there is a shift but unlike some people on here, they can also spot what is a genuine local difficulty.tailwindhome said:
Tories not paying attention to what's happening in South, and writing things off as local difficulties, seems to be potentially ignoring a major realignment in how the UK is voting.Stevo_666 said:
I think most people have already sussed it's an anti-HS2 protest vote, doesn't need me to tell you that. Which is kind of appropriate as the Lib Dems are a fringe protest party these daysorraloon said:Chesham and Amersham is obvs the classic LibDem wokey-dokey sort of place. Paging the Toryfanbois club... paging the ToryFanbois club... we're missing your scintillating perpectives.
Anyhow, I guess we're back to a paltry 80 seat majority. Hey ho
"I spent most of my money on birds, booze and fast cars: the rest of it I just squandered." [George Best]0 -
Sadly for you, everyone gets the one vote just like you high brow intellectualsrick_chasey said: Seems to remember you being less amused about what you saw as a similar point after the Brexit referendum. "I spent most of my money on birds, booze and fast cars: the rest of it I just squandered." [George Best]0 -
oh come on, you have to admit that is funnyStevo_666 said:
Sadly for you, everyone gets the one vote just like you high brow intellectualsrick_chasey said: Seems to remember you being less amused about what you saw as a similar point after the Brexit referendum.0 -
He seems to have tapped into that sort or sneering, superior attitude to attract that support base though. Maybe if people stopped treating those without degrees as some sort of stupid educational underclass they may have more appeal.rick_chasey said:1 -
Haha. As opposed to national papers constantly whining about 'metropolitan elites' and having a go at 'experts'.Pross said:
He seems to have tapped into that sort or sneering, superior attitude to attract that support base though. Maybe if people stopped treating those without degrees as some sort of stupid educational underclass they may have more appeal.rick_chasey said:
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Well it could be a good demonstration of his appeal to former Labour voterssurrey_commuter said:
oh come on, you have to admit that is funnyStevo_666 said:
Sadly for you, everyone gets the one vote just like you high brow intellectualsrick_chasey said: Seems to remember you being less amused about what you saw as a similar point after the Brexit referendum. "I spent most of my money on birds, booze and fast cars: the rest of it I just squandered." [George Best]0 -
Perhaps both parties could just agree to swap names and branding to save the rest of us having to listen to endless b******s about walls of assorted colours.Stevo_666 said:
Well it could be a good demonstration of his appeal to former Labour voterssurrey_commuter said:
oh come on, you have to admit that is funnyStevo_666 said:
Sadly for you, everyone gets the one vote just like you high brow intellectualsrick_chasey said: Seems to remember you being less amused about what you saw as a similar point after the Brexit referendum.1985 Mercian King of Mercia - work in progress (Hah! Who am I kidding?)
Pinnacle Monzonite
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Labour are still the party of people of working age (roughly).rjsterry said:
Perhaps both parties could just agree to swap names and branding to save the rest of us having to listen to endless b******s about walls of assorted colours.Stevo_666 said:
Well it could be a good demonstration of his appeal to former Labour voterssurrey_commuter said:
oh come on, you have to admit that is funnyStevo_666 said:
Sadly for you, everyone gets the one vote just like you high brow intellectualsrick_chasey said: Seems to remember you being less amused about what you saw as a similar point after the Brexit referendum.0 -
Labour were never formed as the party of people of working age, you are trying to be smart by subtly swapping 'working class' for 'working age'. So the use of 'still' is simply wrong.rick_chasey said:
Labour are still the party of people of working age (roughly).rjsterry said:
Perhaps both parties could just agree to swap names and branding to save the rest of us having to listen to endless b******s about walls of assorted colours.Stevo_666 said:
Well it could be a good demonstration of his appeal to former Labour voterssurrey_commuter said:
oh come on, you have to admit that is funnyStevo_666 said:
Sadly for you, everyone gets the one vote just like you high brow intellectualsrick_chasey said: Seems to remember you being less amused about what you saw as a similar point after the Brexit referendum.
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I'm not sure I could care less which demographic they aspire to be 'of'. Both are bin fires of varying shades at the moment.rick_chasey said:
Labour are still the party of people of working age (roughly).rjsterry said:
Perhaps both parties could just agree to swap names and branding to save the rest of us having to listen to endless b******s about walls of assorted colours.Stevo_666 said:
Well it could be a good demonstration of his appeal to former Labour voterssurrey_commuter said:
oh come on, you have to admit that is funnyStevo_666 said:
Sadly for you, everyone gets the one vote just like you high brow intellectualsrick_chasey said: Seems to remember you being less amused about what you saw as a similar point after the Brexit referendum.1985 Mercian King of Mercia - work in progress (Hah! Who am I kidding?)
Pinnacle Monzonite
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Imagine not defining yourself as the party of X or Y section of society, but as a group of people who can actually get stuff done. I don't want some sort of advocacy/support group for a government.Dorset_Boy said:
Labour were never formed as the party of people of working age, you are trying to be smart by subtly swapping 'working class' for 'working age'. So the use of 'still' is simply wrong.rick_chasey said:
Labour are still the party of people of working age (roughly).rjsterry said:
Perhaps both parties could just agree to swap names and branding to save the rest of us having to listen to endless b******s about walls of assorted colours.Stevo_666 said:
Well it could be a good demonstration of his appeal to former Labour voterssurrey_commuter said:
oh come on, you have to admit that is funnyStevo_666 said:
Sadly for you, everyone gets the one vote just like you high brow intellectualsrick_chasey said: Seems to remember you being less amused about what you saw as a similar point after the Brexit referendum.1985 Mercian King of Mercia - work in progress (Hah! Who am I kidding?)
Pinnacle Monzonite
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Get stuff done for who?rjsterry said:
Imagine not defining yourself as the party of X or Y section of society, but as a group of people who can actually get stuff done. I don't want some sort of advocacy/support group for a government.Dorset_Boy said:
Labour were never formed as the party of people of working age, you are trying to be smart by subtly swapping 'working class' for 'working age'. So the use of 'still' is simply wrong.rick_chasey said:
Labour are still the party of people of working age (roughly).rjsterry said:
Perhaps both parties could just agree to swap names and branding to save the rest of us having to listen to endless b******s about walls of assorted colours.Stevo_666 said:
Well it could be a good demonstration of his appeal to former Labour voterssurrey_commuter said:
oh come on, you have to admit that is funnyStevo_666 said:
Sadly for you, everyone gets the one vote just like you high brow intellectualsrick_chasey said: Seems to remember you being less amused about what you saw as a similar point after the Brexit referendum.1 -
Maybe I am too PR minded but politics is about balancing all the different interest groups, in which we all overlap in different ways.
Looking at who votes for parties is fairly important to judge how they approach politics as it is about which interest groups they appeal to.
Particularly in a period of polarisation where turnout of your own lot is more important.
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People who live here. At the moment, both major parties seem to be defining themselves in part as being against part of their own country.kingstongraham said:
Get stuff done for who?rjsterry said:
Imagine not defining yourself as the party of X or Y section of society, but as a group of people who can actually get stuff done. I don't want some sort of advocacy/support group for a government.Dorset_Boy said:
Labour were never formed as the party of people of working age, you are trying to be smart by subtly swapping 'working class' for 'working age'. So the use of 'still' is simply wrong.rick_chasey said:
Labour are still the party of people of working age (roughly).rjsterry said:
Perhaps both parties could just agree to swap names and branding to save the rest of us having to listen to endless b******s about walls of assorted colours.Stevo_666 said:
Well it could be a good demonstration of his appeal to former Labour voterssurrey_commuter said:
oh come on, you have to admit that is funnyStevo_666 said:
Sadly for you, everyone gets the one vote just like you high brow intellectualsrick_chasey said: Seems to remember you being less amused about what you saw as a similar point after the Brexit referendum.1985 Mercian King of Mercia - work in progress (Hah! Who am I kidding?)
Pinnacle Monzonite
Part of the anti-growth coalition0 -
In any event , they've never really been the party of the working hard class.Dorset_Boy said:
Labour were never formed as the party of people of working age, you are trying to be smart by subtly swapping 'working class' for 'working age'. So the use of 'still' is simply wrong.rick_chasey said:
Labour are still the party of people of working age (roughly).rjsterry said:
Perhaps both parties could just agree to swap names and branding to save the rest of us having to listen to endless b******s about walls of assorted colours.Stevo_666 said:
Well it could be a good demonstration of his appeal to former Labour voterssurrey_commuter said:
oh come on, you have to admit that is funnyStevo_666 said:
Sadly for you, everyone gets the one vote just like you high brow intellectualsrick_chasey said: Seems to remember you being less amused about what you saw as a similar point after the Brexit referendum."I spent most of my money on birds, booze and fast cars: the rest of it I just squandered." [George Best]1 -
Wouldn't get too high on your own farts, mate.Stevo_666 said:
In any event , they've never really been the party of the working hard class.Dorset_Boy said:
Labour were never formed as the party of people of working age, you are trying to be smart by subtly swapping 'working class' for 'working age'. So the use of 'still' is simply wrong.rick_chasey said:
Labour are still the party of people of working age (roughly).rjsterry said:
Perhaps both parties could just agree to swap names and branding to save the rest of us having to listen to endless b******s about walls of assorted colours.Stevo_666 said:
Well it could be a good demonstration of his appeal to former Labour voterssurrey_commuter said:
oh come on, you have to admit that is funnyStevo_666 said:
Sadly for you, everyone gets the one vote just like you high brow intellectualsrick_chasey said: Seems to remember you being less amused about what you saw as a similar point after the Brexit referendum.0 -
Ooh you're so harsh Rick. Sounds like you don't identify with the working hard class. Try it sometime rather than moaning about stuff on here: take it from me, it could do wonders for your future prosperityrick_chasey said:
Wouldn't get too high on your own farts, mate.Stevo_666 said:
In any event , they've never really been the party of the working hard class.Dorset_Boy said:
Labour were never formed as the party of people of working age, you are trying to be smart by subtly swapping 'working class' for 'working age'. So the use of 'still' is simply wrong.rick_chasey said:
Labour are still the party of people of working age (roughly).rjsterry said:
Perhaps both parties could just agree to swap names and branding to save the rest of us having to listen to endless b******s about walls of assorted colours.Stevo_666 said:
Well it could be a good demonstration of his appeal to former Labour voterssurrey_commuter said:
oh come on, you have to admit that is funnyStevo_666 said:
Sadly for you, everyone gets the one vote just like you high brow intellectualsrick_chasey said: Seems to remember you being less amused about what you saw as a similar point after the Brexit referendum. "I spent most of my money on birds, booze and fast cars: the rest of it I just squandered." [George Best]0 -
What's the working hard class?- Genesis Croix de Fer
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I get it that you're a boy done good from Redcar or whatever it is, but I'd suggest that not every successful person is that because they're wonderful or that they've worked hard and not everyone who is hard up is awful or lazy.Stevo_666 said:
Ooh you're so harsh Rick. Sounds like you don't identify with the working hard class. Try it sometime rather than moaning about stuff on here: take it from me, it could do wonders for your future prosperityrick_chasey said:
Wouldn't get too high on your own farts, mate.Stevo_666 said:
In any event , they've never really been the party of the working hard class.Dorset_Boy said:
Labour were never formed as the party of people of working age, you are trying to be smart by subtly swapping 'working class' for 'working age'. So the use of 'still' is simply wrong.rick_chasey said:
Labour are still the party of people of working age (roughly).rjsterry said:
Perhaps both parties could just agree to swap names and branding to save the rest of us having to listen to endless b******s about walls of assorted colours.Stevo_666 said:
Well it could be a good demonstration of his appeal to former Labour voterssurrey_commuter said:
oh come on, you have to admit that is funnyStevo_666 said:
Sadly for you, everyone gets the one vote just like you high brow intellectualsrick_chasey said: Seems to remember you being less amused about what you saw as a similar point after the Brexit referendum.0 -
Coming from a guy who sits at a desk, that's an interesting take. 😁Stevo_666 said:
In any event , they've never really been the party of the working hard class.Dorset_Boy said:
Labour were never formed as the party of people of working age, you are trying to be smart by subtly swapping 'working class' for 'working age'. So the use of 'still' is simply wrong.rick_chasey said:
Labour are still the party of people of working age (roughly).rjsterry said:
Perhaps both parties could just agree to swap names and branding to save the rest of us having to listen to endless b******s about walls of assorted colours.Stevo_666 said:
Well it could be a good demonstration of his appeal to former Labour voterssurrey_commuter said:
oh come on, you have to admit that is funnyStevo_666 said:
Sadly for you, everyone gets the one vote just like you high brow intellectualsrick_chasey said: Seems to remember you being less amused about what you saw as a similar point after the Brexit referendum.1985 Mercian King of Mercia - work in progress (Hah! Who am I kidding?)
Pinnacle Monzonite
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Now, now. Stevo has literally worn the ink off some of the keys on his keyboard.Jezyboy said:
The hard working white collar workers who slog at their computer every damn day. Sometimes before 8 and well after 5 pm.pangolin said:What's the working hard class?
Sometimes we even have back to back meetings for a whole half day and can barely make time for a coffee.1985 Mercian King of Mercia - work in progress (Hah! Who am I kidding?)
Pinnacle Monzonite
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Struggling to agree that miners in the 30s didn't work hard.1
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What about "hard working families"? I thought that was all politicians care about (if you listened to their soundbites).
If i'm bit of a slacker, does my vote count less?
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It counts more as you are exactly the kind of person that says one thing whilst knowing another to be true and therefore part of the political elite.elbowloh said:What about "hard working families"? I thought that was all politicians care about (if you listened to their soundbites).
If i'm bit of a slacker, does my vote count less?
(It's not an if).0 -
Can you be part of the political elite if you've never been a member of a party?john80 said:
It counts more as you are exactly the kind of person that says one thing whilst knowing another to be true and therefore part of the political elite.elbowloh said:What about "hard working families"? I thought that was all politicians care about (if you listened to their soundbites).
If i'm bit of a slacker, does my vote count less?
(It's not an if).
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porno filmspangolin said:What's the working hard class?
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Phew!
The new non-royal yacht is going to be paid for by the MoD. For a minute there I thoughts this magnificent ego trip of a folly wasn't going to be built.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-575569380 -
Oh come on. There's more chance of me owning my own yacht.elbowloh said:Phew!
The new non-royal yacht is going to be paid for by the MoD. For a minute there I thoughts this magnificent ego trip of a folly wasn't going to be built.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-57556938
They should definitely get Heatherwick and Lumley involved to give the real kiss of death.1985 Mercian King of Mercia - work in progress (Hah! Who am I kidding?)
Pinnacle Monzonite
Part of the anti-growth coalition0
