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Johnson take control of something?focuszing723 said:It begs the question why didn't Cummings blow the whistle at the time? Also if Johnson thought the situation was so dire why didn't he take control? I'm pretty damn sure Thatcher or Tony Blair would have done.
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It's nothing more than Vicky Pollard stuff, taking screenshots of what's app convos, but it's entertaining and confirms exactly what I assumed was happeningfocuszing723 said:It begs the question why didn't Cummings blow the whistle at the time? Also if Johnson thought the situation was so dire why didn't he take control? I'm pretty damn sure Thatcher or Tony Blair would have done.
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I do remember hearing something about leaving Hancock in his position so he could be used as a scapegoat when required. This comment from Johnson backs that up now.Pross said:
Johnson take control of something?focuszing723 said:It begs the question why didn't Cummings blow the whistle at the time? Also if Johnson thought the situation was so dire why didn't he take control? I'm pretty damn sure Thatcher or Tony Blair would have done.
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Why weren't they communicating using the Matt Hancock app?0
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For his own credibility he needs to answer this question, he is independently wealthy so needs to explain why he would continue to work with a contemptuous fvckwit who skips out of difficult meetings with a thumbs up and a cry of onwards to victoryfocuszing723 said:It begs the question why didn't Cummings blow the whistle at the time? Also if Johnson thought the situation was so dire why didn't he take control? I'm pretty damn sure Thatcher or Tony Blair would have done.
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Iain Dunt summarised this best after the committeeIn the end, Cummings looked like the loneliest man in the world. Suddenly, he was the one relying on the notions of truthfulness and integrity. He needed MPs to believe him. And not just that, he needed to operate in a political system in which it mattered that Hancock had lied, or that Johnson was misleading the Commons...
But those no longer mattered, because of the very culture Cummings had helped create. He had worked to undermine the operational role of truthfulness in political discourse. And now, when he most needed it, it was nowhere to be found.
https://inews.co.uk/opinion/dominic-cummings-covid-select-committee-evidence-liars-story-told-liar-1020749?ito=twitter_share_article-top
It suited him that Hancock is a moron and Johnson is a liar then. Now...?We're in danger of confusing passion with incompetence
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That last quoted paragraph is nicely put.
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I suspect that the contemptuous feckwits on the other side wouldn't let him play.surrey_commuter said:
For his own credibility he needs to answer this question, he is independently wealthy so needs to explain why he would continue to work with a contemptuous fvckwit who skips out of difficult meetings with a thumbs up and a cry of onwards to victoryfocuszing723 said:It begs the question why didn't Cummings blow the whistle at the time? Also if Johnson thought the situation was so dire why didn't he take control? I'm pretty damn sure Thatcher or Tony Blair would have done.
Why is someone who is independently wealthy doing this? Because it's an exciting job surely.0 -
I think Ian Dunt is missing out on the STEM biases that affect lots of right-wing thinking (that social sciences are utter nonsense and only lab coat wearing people should be paid attention to).ddraver said:Iain Dunt summarised this best after the committee
In the end, Cummings looked like the loneliest man in the world. Suddenly, he was the one relying on the notions of truthfulness and integrity. He needed MPs to believe him. And not just that, he needed to operate in a political system in which it mattered that Hancock had lied, or that Johnson was misleading the Commons...
But those no longer mattered, because of the very culture Cummings had helped create. He had worked to undermine the operational role of truthfulness in political discourse. And now, when he most needed it, it was nowhere to be found.
https://inews.co.uk/opinion/dominic-cummings-covid-select-committee-evidence-liars-story-told-liar-1020749?ito=twitter_share_article-top
It suited him that Hancock is a moron and Johnson is a liar then. Now...?0 -
Maybe he just thought it would be fun to go in there, get them to incriminate themselves in messages and emails then blow the whole thing up?Jezyboy said:
I suspect that the contemptuous feckwits on the other side wouldn't let him play.surrey_commuter said:
For his own credibility he needs to answer this question, he is independently wealthy so needs to explain why he would continue to work with a contemptuous fvckwit who skips out of difficult meetings with a thumbs up and a cry of onwards to victoryfocuszing723 said:It begs the question why didn't Cummings blow the whistle at the time? Also if Johnson thought the situation was so dire why didn't he take control? I'm pretty damn sure Thatcher or Tony Blair would have done.
Why is someone who is independently wealthy doing this? Because it's an exciting job surely.0 -
The story Cummings would tell you is he was brought in to manage the public through Brexit which would massively preoccupy gov't. Part of that was a fantasy of his and probably other Tory people to reform the civil service and make them more maleable to the kind of populist politics they want to play (rather than the boring boring technocratic approach - not only does that get in the way of populist thinking but it's also how the EU like to operate, and so they are the enemy ).Jezyboy said:
I suspect that the contemptuous feckwits on the other side wouldn't let him play.surrey_commuter said:
For his own credibility he needs to answer this question, he is independently wealthy so needs to explain why he would continue to work with a contemptuous fvckwit who skips out of difficult meetings with a thumbs up and a cry of onwards to victoryfocuszing723 said:It begs the question why didn't Cummings blow the whistle at the time? Also if Johnson thought the situation was so dire why didn't he take control? I'm pretty damn sure Thatcher or Tony Blair would have done.
Why is someone who is independently wealthy doing this? Because it's an exciting job surely.
He then is in the room when a pandemic kicks off and he's looking at this utter moron - a British Trump - taking both hands off the wheel and keeping his fingers crossed, and so he jumps in where he can.
That's the Cummings story, if you want to believe it or not.0 -
That long WhatsApp message with Cummings almost pleading for Johnson to get a grasp on the situation and the reply is "OK brill, am all ears" is just terrifying in its total absence of leadership or seriousness.surrey_commuter said:
For his own credibility he needs to answer this question, he is independently wealthy so needs to explain why he would continue to work with a contemptuous fvckwit who skips out of difficult meetings with a thumbs up and a cry of onwards to victoryfocuszing723 said:It begs the question why didn't Cummings blow the whistle at the time? Also if Johnson thought the situation was so dire why didn't he take control? I'm pretty damn sure Thatcher or Tony Blair would have done.
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Which one is that? not seen it.rjsterry said:
That long WhatsApp message with Cummings almost pleading for Johnson to get a grasp on the situation and the reply is "OK brill, am all ears" is just terrifying in its total absence of leadership or seriousness.surrey_commuter said:
For his own credibility he needs to answer this question, he is independently wealthy so needs to explain why he would continue to work with a contemptuous fvckwit who skips out of difficult meetings with a thumbs up and a cry of onwards to victoryfocuszing723 said:It begs the question why didn't Cummings blow the whistle at the time? Also if Johnson thought the situation was so dire why didn't he take control? I'm pretty damn sure Thatcher or Tony Blair would have done.
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No, I think he is genuinely interested in overcoming the inertia and prioritisation of process over results in large organisations. I think that's why he did it.Pross said:
Maybe he just thought it would be fun to go in there, get them to incriminate themselves in messages and emails then blow the whole thing up?Jezyboy said:
I suspect that the contemptuous feckwits on the other side wouldn't let him play.surrey_commuter said:
For his own credibility he needs to answer this question, he is independently wealthy so needs to explain why he would continue to work with a contemptuous fvckwit who skips out of difficult meetings with a thumbs up and a cry of onwards to victoryfocuszing723 said:It begs the question why didn't Cummings blow the whistle at the time? Also if Johnson thought the situation was so dire why didn't he take control? I'm pretty damn sure Thatcher or Tony Blair would have done.
Why is someone who is independently wealthy doing this? Because it's an exciting job surely.1985 Mercian King of Mercia - work in progress (Hah! Who am I kidding?)
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https://dominiccummings.substack.com/p/the-pm-on-hancock-totally-fucking
link might not get through the swear filters (edit, it doesn't. )
The guy has some chutzpah for some of these comments:If No10 is prepared to lie so deeply and widely about such vital issues of life and death last year, it cannot be trusted now either on covid or any other crucial issue of war and peace.The PM’s defence of Hancock sends an unmistakeable signal across the system: a Secretary of State will be rewarded despite repeated incompetence and dishonesty and the government machine will seek to rewrite history in Orwellian fashion because the PM thinks it in his personal interests to do so. Any decent person in Westminster ought to be appalled by this behaviour.From the perspective of good government and ethics the Cabinet and MPs should intervene but this is unlikely while the polls have the Conservatives ~40%+ because our political system incentivises party loyalty over good government and ethics. Senior civil servants will wait for the polls to move before trying to ‘push what is falling’. But the systemic incompetence surrounding the PM is such that his operation is programmed to unravel — he always does, No10’s structure makes it impossible for anybody to govern properly, and he rejected the plan to change how No10 works. Just as I said 2017-19 ‘this No10 will unravel, some of us should prepare for what comes next’ the same is true now. This No10 will unravel — it would already be unravelling if Starmer were not also useless. People need to prepare for what comes next. Preparations — planning, building tools, preparing a team and so on — made in 2018-spring 2019 proved vital July-December 2019.0 -
I think it's this.rjsterry said:
No, I think he is genuinely interested in overcoming the inertia and prioritisation of process over results in large organisations. I think that's why he did it.Pross said:
Maybe he just thought it would be fun to go in there, get them to incriminate themselves in messages and emails then blow the whole thing up?Jezyboy said:
I suspect that the contemptuous feckwits on the other side wouldn't let him play.surrey_commuter said:
For his own credibility he needs to answer this question, he is independently wealthy so needs to explain why he would continue to work with a contemptuous fvckwit who skips out of difficult meetings with a thumbs up and a cry of onwards to victoryfocuszing723 said:It begs the question why didn't Cummings blow the whistle at the time? Also if Johnson thought the situation was so dire why didn't he take control? I'm pretty damn sure Thatcher or Tony Blair would have done.
Why is someone who is independently wealthy doing this? Because it's an exciting job surely.
It's just a shame for him that his skillset seems primarily built around leading populist campaigns.
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Which one is that? not seen it.rjsterry said:
That long WhatsApp message with Cummings almost pleading for Johnson to get a grasp on the situation and the reply is "OK brill, am all ears" is just terrifying in its total absence of leadership or seriousness.surrey_commuter said:
For his own credibility he needs to answer this question, he is independently wealthy so needs to explain why he would continue to work with a contemptuous fvckwit who skips out of difficult meetings with a thumbs up and a cry of onwards to victoryfocuszing723 said:It begs the question why didn't Cummings blow the whistle at the time? Also if Johnson thought the situation was so dire why didn't he take control? I'm pretty damn sure Thatcher or Tony Blair would have done.
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The unfortunate thing is, all the important stuff here about the incompetence of Boris and Government will be dismissed because it's coming from Cummings, a man with a grudge. It doesn't matter whether it's actually true.
Plus the entrenched Tory voters won't give a feck, because it's their guy.0 -
Well yeah, look at Stevo.elbowloh said:The unfortunate thing is, all the important stuff here about the incompetence of Boris and Government will be dismissed because it's coming from Cummings, a man with a grudge. It doesn't matter whether it's actually true.
Plus the entrenched Tory voters won't give a censored , because it's their guy.
I don't think anyone thinks BoJo is competent. Even Stevo says "he's better than Corbyn" which is an incredibly low bar.0 -
I'd love to hear what my former friend who was so defensive when people criticised Cummings over Barnard Castle thinks of him now!elbowloh said:The unfortunate thing is, all the important stuff here about the incompetence of Boris and Government will be dismissed because it's coming from Cummings, a man with a grudge. It doesn't matter whether it's actually true.
Plus the entrenched Tory voters won't give a censored , because it's their guy.0 -
A fully wheelchair accessible threshold.rick_chasey said:
Well yeah, look at Stevo.elbowloh said:The unfortunate thing is, all the important stuff here about the incompetence of Boris and Government will be dismissed because it's coming from Cummings, a man with a grudge. It doesn't matter whether it's actually true.
Plus the entrenched Tory voters won't give a censored , because it's their guy.
I don't think anyone thinks BoJo is competent. Even Stevo says "he's better than Corbyn" which is an incredibly low bar.1985 Mercian King of Mercia - work in progress (Hah! Who am I kidding?)
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Commons leader Jacob Rees-Mogg has hailed Health Secretary Matt Hancock as a "successful genius" - after he was allegedly branded "hopeless" by the PM.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-57513415
Not sure this is going to help due to a) who its coming from and b) sounds a little to close to Trump's own claim to be a stable genius.0 -
A good thread/critique of Cummings's blog/WhatsApp messages.
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Tories lose huge majority in by election.
Surprising given that UKIP were 2nd in 2015 so you’d think good nutter territory.
May be a protest vote regarding HS2 but a positive for the Lib Dem’s who apparently still exist.0 -
I don't think anyone expected it to go from a 16,000 tory majority to an 8,000 lib dem majority.
Really bad result for Labour too. It's clearly not that everyone loves the tories.0 -
That will be the end of the plan to build on the green belt and give them concerns over their levelling down policykingstongraham said:I don't think anyone expected it to go from a 16,000 tory majority to an 8,000 lib dem majority.
Really bad result for Labour too. It's clearly not that everyone loves the tories.0 -
How unexpected?
1:06 - tories happier, but maybe close enough for a recount.
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NIMBY *****rick_chasey said:HS2 round there is toast then
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Most likely HS2 related. There is still strong opposition to the project in the area and obviously now that it looks completely pointless, there was maybe a justified expectation that the government would put the brakes on the project.
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