LEAVE the Conservative Party and save your country!

focuszing723

focuszing723 said:

skyblueamateur said:

rick_chasey said:

“Threat of new homes” come on mate, work that one out yourself.

It's all on greenbelt land. Developers are creaming themselves as it's a lot cheaper then developing on brownfield sites.

They are proposing 5,000 new homes on greenbelt west of Coventry based on dodgy ONS figures. They are counting students in, but not out again.

I would not have so much of an issue if it was affordable homes but it will be a raft of 6-700k homes with 'affordable' housing at 350k-ish.

Yep, I agree and it is a point Theresa May has made, an exodus from the Cities to wreck the Countryside. It's also been exaggerated now by Covid.

All these developers do is knock up little $h1t boxes with no gardens.

I'm guessing the places being developed won't be near the Cameron's of this world.

Interesting to hear the talk of the Conservatives questioning their change in policy with regards planning reforms.

tailwindhome

Stevo_666 said:

orraloon said:

Chesham and Amersham is obvs the classic LibDem wokey-dokey sort of place. Paging the Toryfanbois club... paging the ToryFanbois club... we're missing your scintillating perpectives.

I think most people have already sussed it's an anti-HS2 protest vote, doesn't need me to tell you that. Which is kind of appropriate as the Lib Dems are a fringe protest party these days

Anyhow, I guess we're back to a paltry 80 seat majority. Hey ho

Tories not paying attention to what's happening in South, and writing things off as local difficulties, seems to be potentially ignoring a major realignment in how the UK is voting.

rick_chasey

tailwindhome said:

Stevo_666 said:

orraloon said:

Chesham and Amersham is obvs the classic LibDem wokey-dokey sort of place. Paging the Toryfanbois club... paging the ToryFanbois club... we're missing your scintillating perpectives.

I think most people have already sussed it's an anti-HS2 protest vote, doesn't need me to tell you that. Which is kind of appropriate as the Lib Dems are a fringe protest party these days

Anyhow, I guess we're back to a paltry 80 seat majority. Hey ho

Tories not paying attention to what's happening in South, and writing things off as local difficulties, seems to be potentially ignoring a major realignment in how the UK is voting.

Age & education ;-)

Dorset_Boy

rick_chasey said:

tailwindhome said:

Stevo_666 said:

orraloon said:

Chesham and Amersham is obvs the classic LibDem wokey-dokey sort of place. Paging the Toryfanbois club... paging the ToryFanbois club... we're missing your scintillating perpectives.

I think most people have already sussed it's an anti-HS2 protest vote, doesn't need me to tell you that. Which is kind of appropriate as the Lib Dems are a fringe protest party these days

Anyhow, I guess we're back to a paltry 80 seat majority. Hey ho

Tories not paying attention to what's happening in South, and writing things off as local difficulties, seems to be potentially ignoring a major realignment in how the UK is voting.

Age & education ;-)

But I thought everything you have previously stated, reasoned, was that the 'educated and young' vote Labour, but their vote was down over 11% too.

briantrumpet

I have to say, I'm finding The Telegraph quite entertaining at the moment. Is there anyone of this parish who'd like to answer the question posed here?

rick_chasey

Dorset_Boy said:

rick_chasey said:

tailwindhome said:

Stevo_666 said:

orraloon said:

Chesham and Amersham is obvs the classic LibDem wokey-dokey sort of place. Paging the Toryfanbois club... paging the ToryFanbois club... we're missing your scintillating perpectives.

I think most people have already sussed it's an anti-HS2 protest vote, doesn't need me to tell you that. Which is kind of appropriate as the Lib Dems are a fringe protest party these days

Anyhow, I guess we're back to a paltry 80 seat majority. Hey ho

Tories not paying attention to what's happening in South, and writing things off as local difficulties, seems to be potentially ignoring a major realignment in how the UK is voting.

Age & education ;-)

But I thought everything you have previously stated, reasoned, was that the 'educated and young' vote Labour, but their vote was down over 11% too.

From what down 11%?

Dorset_Boy

rick_chasey said:

Dorset_Boy said:

rick_chasey said:

tailwindhome said:

Stevo_666 said:

orraloon said:

Chesham and Amersham is obvs the classic LibDem wokey-dokey sort of place. Paging the Toryfanbois club... paging the ToryFanbois club... we're missing your scintillating perpectives.

I think most people have already sussed it's an anti-HS2 protest vote, doesn't need me to tell you that. Which is kind of appropriate as the Lib Dems are a fringe protest party these days

Anyhow, I guess we're back to a paltry 80 seat majority. Hey ho

Tories not paying attention to what's happening in South, and writing things off as local difficulties, seems to be potentially ignoring a major realignment in how the UK is voting.

Age & education ;-)

But I thought everything you have previously stated, reasoned, was that the 'educated and young' vote Labour, but their vote was down over 11% too.

From what down 11%?

11% down from the last election.

rick_chasey

Dorset_Boy said:

rick_chasey said:

Dorset_Boy said:

rick_chasey said:

tailwindhome said:

Stevo_666 said:

orraloon said:

Chesham and Amersham is obvs the classic LibDem wokey-dokey sort of place. Paging the Toryfanbois club... paging the ToryFanbois club... we're missing your scintillating perpectives.

I think most people have already sussed it's an anti-HS2 protest vote, doesn't need me to tell you that. Which is kind of appropriate as the Lib Dems are a fringe protest party these days

Anyhow, I guess we're back to a paltry 80 seat majority. Hey ho

Tories not paying attention to what's happening in South, and writing things off as local difficulties, seems to be potentially ignoring a major realignment in how the UK is voting.

Age & education ;-)

But I thought everything you have previously stated, reasoned, was that the 'educated and young' vote Labour, but their vote was down over 11% too.

From what down 11%?

11% down from the last election.

Which was?


Down from 100% would still leave 89%.

Unless of course you mean 11% of the previous amount which would be an even smaller drop.

Dorset_Boy

rick_chasey said:

Dorset_Boy said:

rick_chasey said:

Dorset_Boy said:

rick_chasey said:

tailwindhome said:

Stevo_666 said:

orraloon said:

Chesham and Amersham is obvs the classic LibDem wokey-dokey sort of place. Paging the Toryfanbois club... paging the ToryFanbois club... we're missing your scintillating perpectives.

I think most people have already sussed it's an anti-HS2 protest vote, doesn't need me to tell you that. Which is kind of appropriate as the Lib Dems are a fringe protest party these days

Anyhow, I guess we're back to a paltry 80 seat majority. Hey ho

Tories not paying attention to what's happening in South, and writing things off as local difficulties, seems to be potentially ignoring a major realignment in how the UK is voting.

Age & education ;-)

But I thought everything you have previously stated, reasoned, was that the 'educated and young' vote Labour, but their vote was down over 11% too.

From what down 11%?

11% down from the last election.

Which was?


Down from 100% would still leave 89%.

Unless of course you mean 11% of the previous amount which would be an even smaller drop.

You are making no sense.
Lib Dem share up c.30% vs 2019
Conservate share down c 20%
Labour share down c11%

That's been well reported. A terrible night for the Conservatives and a very bad one for Labour.

But you have said the young and the educated vote Labour, and the earlier post implied that the conservatives lost Chesham & Amersham because of the age and education of the electorate.

Your two arguments don't make sense in the context of this result as Labour lost a very large number of votes (c6,500 vs 2019).

elbowloh

John Bercow's been reading this thread it seems
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-57541836

rick_chasey

Dorset_Boy said:

rick_chasey said:

Dorset_Boy said:

rick_chasey said:

Dorset_Boy said:

rick_chasey said:

tailwindhome said:

Stevo_666 said:

orraloon said:

Chesham and Amersham is obvs the classic LibDem wokey-dokey sort of place. Paging the Toryfanbois club... paging the ToryFanbois club... we're missing your scintillating perpectives.

I think most people have already sussed it's an anti-HS2 protest vote, doesn't need me to tell you that. Which is kind of appropriate as the Lib Dems are a fringe protest party these days

Anyhow, I guess we're back to a paltry 80 seat majority. Hey ho

Tories not paying attention to what's happening in South, and writing things off as local difficulties, seems to be potentially ignoring a major realignment in how the UK is voting.

Age & education ;-)

But I thought everything you have previously stated, reasoned, was that the 'educated and young' vote Labour, but their vote was down over 11% too.

From what down 11%?

11% down from the last election.

Which was?


Down from 100% would still leave 89%.

Unless of course you mean 11% of the previous amount which would be an even smaller drop.

You are making no sense.
Lib Dem share up c.30% vs 2019
Conservate share down c 20%
Labour share down c11%

That's been well reported. A terrible night for the Conservatives and a very bad one for Labour.

But you have said the young and the educated vote Labour, and the earlier post implied that the conservatives lost Chesham & Amersham because of the age and education of the electorate.

Your two arguments don't make sense in the context of this result as Labour lost a very large number of votes (c6,500 vs 2019).

Let me spell it out for you as you’re having trouble.

TWH said “Tories not paying attention….ignoring a major realignment in how the UK is voting”

I said that that is now orientated around age and education.

Here are the stats.

https://yougov.co.uk/topics/politics/articles-reports/2019/10/31/2019-general-election-demographics-dividing-britai






Tell me age isn’t an obvious dividing line.


From the link

Education

Apart from age, education has also been an increasingly prominent predictor of voting behaviour, having been an interesting divide in both the last election and the EU Referendum.

Compare that to class

https://yougov.co.uk/topics/politics/articles-reports/2019/12/17/how-britain-voted-2019-general-election



Your “social grade” doesn’t seem to affect how you vote compared to age or education.

That is why the “metropolitan elite” chat is actually nonsense.

Here’s an article on education as a predictor of how you voted in the ref

https://blogs.lse.ac.uk/politicsandpolicy/educational-attainment-brexit/

Using probit models, we find that educational attainment can correctly classify over 90% of voting districts in England and Wales, with success slightly higher for Leave areas.

Though this bit made me laugh

In other words, while the identification of a causal link between educational attainment and Leave voting is extremely difficult, academics have yet to rule out its existence.

—

If you don’t think age & education is the current divide in politics you haven’t been paying attention to how people vote.

I can assure you the bods in the political parties know this themselves and if you reimagine the Tories as pushing for votes from older and or uneducated people and labour / Lib Dem’s for younger and or highly educated the logic makes much more sense.

(So when Andrew Neil spends a disproportionate amount of time in his Sunak interview discussing the pension triple lock and the inflation threat - not the expected wage growth which he only mentions in the context of the pension triple lock, you can see why, right? That matters disproportionately to retirees. As does the cost of switching to a low carbon economy as they’ll be dead before it all pays off)

Labour are still the party of the working person in the sense the majority of Tory voters are retired and the majority of labour voters are of working age.

surrey_commuter

rick_chasey said:

Dorset_Boy said:

rick_chasey said:

Dorset_Boy said:

rick_chasey said:

Dorset_Boy said:

rick_chasey said:

tailwindhome said:

Stevo_666 said:

orraloon said:

Chesham and Amersham is obvs the classic LibDem wokey-dokey sort of place. Paging the Toryfanbois club... paging the ToryFanbois club... we're missing your scintillating perpectives.

I think most people have already sussed it's an anti-HS2 protest vote, doesn't need me to tell you that. Which is kind of appropriate as the Lib Dems are a fringe protest party these days

Anyhow, I guess we're back to a paltry 80 seat majority. Hey ho

Tories not paying attention to what's happening in South, and writing things off as local difficulties, seems to be potentially ignoring a major realignment in how the UK is voting.

Age & education ;-)

But I thought everything you have previously stated, reasoned, was that the 'educated and young' vote Labour, but their vote was down over 11% too.

From what down 11%?

11% down from the last election.

Which was?


Down from 100% would still leave 89%.

Unless of course you mean 11% of the previous amount which would be an even smaller drop.

You are making no sense.
Lib Dem share up c.30% vs 2019
Conservate share down c 20%
Labour share down c11%

That's been well reported. A terrible night for the Conservatives and a very bad one for Labour.

But you have said the young and the educated vote Labour, and the earlier post implied that the conservatives lost Chesham & Amersham because of the age and education of the electorate.

Your two arguments don't make sense in the context of this result as Labour lost a very large number of votes (c6,500 vs 2019).

Let me spell it out for you as you’re having trouble.

TWH said “Tories not paying attention….ignoring a major realignment in how the UK is voting”

I said that that is now orientated around age and education.

Here are the stats.

https://yougov.co.uk/topics/politics/articles-reports/2019/10/31/2019-general-election-demographics-dividing-britai






Tell me age isn’t an obvious dividing line.


From the link

Education

Apart from age, education has also been an increasingly prominent predictor of voting behaviour, having been an interesting divide in both the last election and the EU Referendum.

Compare that to class

https://yougov.co.uk/topics/politics/articles-reports/2019/12/17/how-britain-voted-2019-general-election



Your “social grade” doesn’t seem to affect how you vote compared to age or education.

That is why the “metropolitan elite” chat is actually nonsense.

Here’s an article on education as a predictor of how you voted in the ref

https://blogs.lse.ac.uk/politicsandpolicy/educational-attainment-brexit/

Using probit models, we find that educational attainment can correctly classify over 90% of voting districts in England and Wales, with success slightly higher for Leave areas.

Though this bit made me laugh

In other words, while the identification of a causal link between educational attainment and Leave voting is extremely difficult, academics have yet to rule out its existence.

—

If you don’t think age & education is the current divide in politics you haven’t been paying attention to how people vote.

I can assure you the bods in the political parties know this themselves and if you reimagine the Tories as pushing for votes from older and or uneducated people and labour / Lib Dem’s for younger and or highly educated the logic makes much more sense.

(So when Andrew Neil spends a disproportionate amount of time in his Sunak interview discussing the pension triple lock and the inflation threat - not the expected wage growth which he only mentions in the context of the pension triple lock, you can see why, right? That matters disproportionately to retirees. As does the cost of switching to a low carbon economy as they’ll be dead before it all pays off)

Labour are still the party of the working person in the sense the majority of Tory voters are retired and the majority of labour voters are of working age.

It would be very interesting to see a graph for educational attainment by age. ie how many 70+ have a degree etc

briantrumpet

surrey_commuter said:

It would be very interesting to see a graph for educational attainment by age. ie how many 70+ have a degree etc

I'm not sure that that tells you much apart from the fact that less than 10% of 70-year-olds would have had the opportunity to go to university.

rick_chasey

surrey_commuter said:

rick_chasey said:

Dorset_Boy said:

rick_chasey said:

Dorset_Boy said:

rick_chasey said:

Dorset_Boy said:

rick_chasey said:

tailwindhome said:

Stevo_666 said:

orraloon said:

Chesham and Amersham is obvs the classic LibDem wokey-dokey sort of place. Paging the Toryfanbois club... paging the ToryFanbois club... we're missing your scintillating perpectives.

I think most people have already sussed it's an anti-HS2 protest vote, doesn't need me to tell you that. Which is kind of appropriate as the Lib Dems are a fringe protest party these days

Anyhow, I guess we're back to a paltry 80 seat majority. Hey ho

Tories not paying attention to what's happening in South, and writing things off as local difficulties, seems to be potentially ignoring a major realignment in how the UK is voting.

Age & education ;-)

But I thought everything you have previously stated, reasoned, was that the 'educated and young' vote Labour, but their vote was down over 11% too.

From what down 11%?

11% down from the last election.

Which was?


Down from 100% would still leave 89%.

Unless of course you mean 11% of the previous amount which would be an even smaller drop.

You are making no sense.
Lib Dem share up c.30% vs 2019
Conservate share down c 20%
Labour share down c11%

That's been well reported. A terrible night for the Conservatives and a very bad one for Labour.

But you have said the young and the educated vote Labour, and the earlier post implied that the conservatives lost Chesham & Amersham because of the age and education of the electorate.

Your two arguments don't make sense in the context of this result as Labour lost a very large number of votes (c6,500 vs 2019).

Let me spell it out for you as you’re having trouble.

TWH said “Tories not paying attention….ignoring a major realignment in how the UK is voting”

I said that that is now orientated around age and education.

Here are the stats.

https://yougov.co.uk/topics/politics/articles-reports/2019/10/31/2019-general-election-demographics-dividing-britai






Tell me age isn’t an obvious dividing line.


From the link

Education

Apart from age, education has also been an increasingly prominent predictor of voting behaviour, having been an interesting divide in both the last election and the EU Referendum.

Compare that to class

https://yougov.co.uk/topics/politics/articles-reports/2019/12/17/how-britain-voted-2019-general-election



Your “social grade” doesn’t seem to affect how you vote compared to age or education.

That is why the “metropolitan elite” chat is actually nonsense.

Here’s an article on education as a predictor of how you voted in the ref

https://blogs.lse.ac.uk/politicsandpolicy/educational-attainment-brexit/

Using probit models, we find that educational attainment can correctly classify over 90% of voting districts in England and Wales, with success slightly higher for Leave areas.

Though this bit made me laugh

In other words, while the identification of a causal link between educational attainment and Leave voting is extremely difficult, academics have yet to rule out its existence.

—

If you don’t think age & education is the current divide in politics you haven’t been paying attention to how people vote.

I can assure you the bods in the political parties know this themselves and if you reimagine the Tories as pushing for votes from older and or uneducated people and labour / Lib Dem’s for younger and or highly educated the logic makes much more sense.

(So when Andrew Neil spends a disproportionate amount of time in his Sunak interview discussing the pension triple lock and the inflation threat - not the expected wage growth which he only mentions in the context of the pension triple lock, you can see why, right? That matters disproportionately to retirees. As does the cost of switching to a low carbon economy as they’ll be dead before it all pays off)

Labour are still the party of the working person in the sense the majority of Tory voters are retired and the majority of labour voters are of working age.

It would be very interesting to see a graph for educational attainment by age. ie how many 70+ have a degree etc

Not the most friendly presentation but

https://data.oecd.org/eduatt/population-with-tertiary-education.htm

25-34 roughly 51% have tertiary education, 55-64, 39% roughly.

You can see why the Tories are so hostile to unis and why they want to put in political overseers

rjsterry

Might be worth actually looking at the demographics of Amersham and Chesham. I'm not sure that this result fits the model.

rick_chasey

rjsterry said:

Might be worth actually looking at the demographics of Amersham and Chesham. I'm not sure that this result fits the model.

Of course in one seat there’s gonna be a whole host of different issues.

(Not least the penny dropping on HS2 😉😉😉)

That is the divide though, not class.

If you want to understand national politics in the UK you need to forget class.

pblakeney

rick_chasey said:

surrey_commuter said:

rick_chasey said:

Dorset_Boy said:

rick_chasey said:

Dorset_Boy said:

rick_chasey said:

Dorset_Boy said:

rick_chasey said:

tailwindhome said:

Stevo_666 said:

orraloon said:

Chesham and Amersham is obvs the classic LibDem wokey-dokey sort of place. Paging the Toryfanbois club... paging the ToryFanbois club... we're missing your scintillating perpectives.

I think most people have already sussed it's an anti-HS2 protest vote, doesn't need me to tell you that. Which is kind of appropriate as the Lib Dems are a fringe protest party these days

Anyhow, I guess we're back to a paltry 80 seat majority. Hey ho

Tories not paying attention to what's happening in South, and writing things off as local difficulties, seems to be potentially ignoring a major realignment in how the UK is voting.

Age & education ;-)

But I thought everything you have previously stated, reasoned, was that the 'educated and young' vote Labour, but their vote was down over 11% too.

From what down 11%?

11% down from the last election.

Which was?


Down from 100% would still leave 89%.

Unless of course you mean 11% of the previous amount which would be an even smaller drop.

You are making no sense.
Lib Dem share up c.30% vs 2019
Conservate share down c 20%
Labour share down c11%

That's been well reported. A terrible night for the Conservatives and a very bad one for Labour.

But you have said the young and the educated vote Labour, and the earlier post implied that the conservatives lost Chesham & Amersham because of the age and education of the electorate.

Your two arguments don't make sense in the context of this result as Labour lost a very large number of votes (c6,500 vs 2019).

Let me spell it out for you as you’re having trouble.

TWH said “Tories not paying attention….ignoring a major realignment in how the UK is voting”

I said that that is now orientated around age and education.

Here are the stats.

https://yougov.co.uk/topics/politics/articles-reports/2019/10/31/2019-general-election-demographics-dividing-britai






Tell me age isn’t an obvious dividing line.


From the link

Education

Apart from age, education has also been an increasingly prominent predictor of voting behaviour, having been an interesting divide in both the last election and the EU Referendum.

Compare that to class

https://yougov.co.uk/topics/politics/articles-reports/2019/12/17/how-britain-voted-2019-general-election



Your “social grade” doesn’t seem to affect how you vote compared to age or education.

That is why the “metropolitan elite” chat is actually nonsense.

Here’s an article on education as a predictor of how you voted in the ref

https://blogs.lse.ac.uk/politicsandpolicy/educational-attainment-brexit/

Using probit models, we find that educational attainment can correctly classify over 90% of voting districts in England and Wales, with success slightly higher for Leave areas.

Though this bit made me laugh

In other words, while the identification of a causal link between educational attainment and Leave voting is extremely difficult, academics have yet to rule out its existence.

—

If you don’t think age & education is the current divide in politics you haven’t been paying attention to how people vote.

I can assure you the bods in the political parties know this themselves and if you reimagine the Tories as pushing for votes from older and or uneducated people and labour / Lib Dem’s for younger and or highly educated the logic makes much more sense.

(So when Andrew Neil spends a disproportionate amount of time in his Sunak interview discussing the pension triple lock and the inflation threat - not the expected wage growth which he only mentions in the context of the pension triple lock, you can see why, right? That matters disproportionately to retirees. As does the cost of switching to a low carbon economy as they’ll be dead before it all pays off)

Labour are still the party of the working person in the sense the majority of Tory voters are retired and the majority of labour voters are of working age.

It would be very interesting to see a graph for educational attainment by age. ie how many 70+ have a degree etc

Not the most friendly presentation but

https://data.oecd.org/eduatt/population-with-tertiary-education.htm

25-34 roughly 51% have tertiary education, 55-64, 39% roughly.

You can see why the Tories are so hostile to unis and why they want to put in political overseers

An unfriendly way to reword that is - The tories want to keep the plebs down and easy to control.

surrey_commuter

briantrumpet said:

surrey_commuter said:

It would be very interesting to see a graph for educational attainment by age. ie how many 70+ have a degree etc

I'm not sure that that tells you much apart from the fact that less than 10% of 70-year-olds would have had the opportunity to go to university.

I might present the data as proving my new pet theory that the less well educated people live longer.
I am also working on another theory that as you get older you lose education attainment.

Actuaries now overlay postcode analysis on top of their existing mortality tables which already allow for education and wealth. But do you live longer in Knightsbridge because you are well educated so more likely to have a healthier lifestyle and the wealth to access better healthcare?

I am sure Rick’s model would say people in Knightsbridge vote Tory because they are old or don’t have a degree.

Stevo_666

Rick is using using lots of stats to remind us on the old saying that if you're not socialist when you're young, then you don't have a heart and if you're still socialist when your older then you haven't got a head.

It's not news.

Stevo_666

tailwindhome said:

Stevo_666 said:

orraloon said:

Chesham and Amersham is obvs the classic LibDem wokey-dokey sort of place. Paging the Toryfanbois club... paging the ToryFanbois club... we're missing your scintillating perpectives.

I think most people have already sussed it's an anti-HS2 protest vote, doesn't need me to tell you that. Which is kind of appropriate as the Lib Dems are a fringe protest party these days

Anyhow, I guess we're back to a paltry 80 seat majority. Hey ho

Tories not paying attention to what's happening in South, and writing things off as local difficulties, seems to be potentially ignoring a major realignment in how the UK is voting.

I think they realise there is a shift but unlike some people on here, they can also spot what is a genuine local difficulty.

rjsterry

rick_chasey said:

rjsterry said:

Might be worth actually looking at the demographics of Amersham and Chesham. I'm not sure that this result fits the model.

Of course in one seat there’s gonna be a whole host of different issues.

(Not least the penny dropping on HS2 😉😉😉)

That is the divide though, not class.

If you want to understand national politics in the UK you need to forget class.

Who was suggesting it was? By the way A&C has a higher than average population over 65.

Pross

I find the education not social class argument quite an odd one as I would have thought there is a high correlation between a University level education and being in the higher social classes.

rjsterry

Stevo_666 said:

tailwindhome said:

Stevo_666 said:

orraloon said:

Chesham and Amersham is obvs the classic LibDem wokey-dokey sort of place. Paging the Toryfanbois club... paging the ToryFanbois club... we're missing your scintillating perpectives.

I think most people have already sussed it's an anti-HS2 protest vote, doesn't need me to tell you that. Which is kind of appropriate as the Lib Dems are a fringe protest party these days

Anyhow, I guess we're back to a paltry 80 seat majority. Hey ho

Tories not paying attention to what's happening in South, and writing things off as local difficulties, seems to be potentially ignoring a major realignment in how the UK is voting.

I think they realise there is a shift but unlike some people on here, they can also spot what is a genuine local difficulty.

The planning reforms aren't just a local issue. They affect leafy Kent, too.

rick_chasey

Pross said:

I find the education not social class argument quite an odd one as I would have thought there is a high correlation between a University level education and being in the higher social classes.

Check out the chart above 👆 says otherwise

Jezyboy

rick_chasey said:

Pross said:

I find the education not social class argument quite an odd one as I would have thought there is a high correlation between a University level education and being in the higher social classes.

Check out the chart above 👆 says otherwise

Maybe the educated Labour voters are all those baristas with liberal arts degrees that you hear so much about...

Although more or less everyone I meet in the STEM community thinks Boris is a plank.

focuszing723

This pie chart proves otherwise though, so it depends on where you get your data from.

Pross

rick_chasey said:

Pross said:

I find the education not social class argument quite an odd one as I would have thought there is a high correlation between a University level education and being in the higher social classes.

Check out the chart above 👆 says otherwise

I know, it just doesn't make sense when you put the class definitions against education.

My own theory is that it's an urban v rural / suburbia split with those in rural and suburban areas generally being more small 'c' conservative and mainly seeing similar people to themselves. Those who move to cities gain a broader experience of other cultures and are more likely to become the 'wokey dokey' types that vote Labour (or Lib Dem). The biggest issue Labour face is their loss of seats in Scotland.

focuszing723

https://twitter.com/Dominic2306/status/1405837881302781955

Here's an opportunity for an answer.

Jezyboy

focuszing723 said:

https://twitter.com/Dominic2306/status/1405837881302781955

Here's an opportunity for an answer.

Subscriber only? Is Dom on only fans?

ddraver

https://twitter.com/VJMallet/status/1406694006680178689?s=19