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Crying shame that it takes NIMBYism to want to dump this gov't isn't it?!shirley_basso said:
NIMBY *****rick_chasey said:HS2 round there is toast then
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Love the way everyone keeps talking about it as though it is still only plans on a drawing board. If they were voting based on HS2, they are about two elections too late.ugo.santalucia said:Most likely HS2 related. There is still strong opposition to the project in the area and obviously now that it looks completely pointless, there was maybe a justified expectation that the government would put the brakes on the project.
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too late, that train has left the stationrick_chasey said:HS2 round there is toast then
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Classic by election protest vote on local issues or a sign that people do want a decent alternative to the Tories but Labour hasn't been offering it?
The Lib Dems threw everything at it, maybe it's a lesson that they need to make themselves more visible instead of hiding in the sidelines all the time.
Not sure it can be anything more than a protest in relation to HS2 though as having a local Lib Dem MP opposed to it won't make any difference.0 -
And the Lib dems' 2019 manifesto was pro hs2. So there's that.rjsterry said:
Love the way everyone keeps talking about it as though it is still only plans on a drawing board. If they were voting based on HS2, they are about two elections too late.ugo.santalucia said:Most likely HS2 related. There is still strong opposition to the project in the area and obviously now that it looks completely pointless, there was maybe a justified expectation that the government would put the brakes on the project.
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Quite. I can't find a mention of HS2 in Sarah Green's social media.kingstongraham said:
And the Lib dems' 2019 manifesto was pro hs2. So there's that.rjsterry said:
Love the way everyone keeps talking about it as though it is still only plans on a drawing board. If they were voting based on HS2, they are about two elections too late.ugo.santalucia said:Most likely HS2 related. There is still strong opposition to the project in the area and obviously now that it looks completely pointless, there was maybe a justified expectation that the government would put the brakes on the project.
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If we ignore the voters on here who would vote for Peter Sutcliffe if he wore a blue rosette, and listen to people who fall in the traditional Conservative bracket, or have voted for both sides previously, Boris isn't that attractive.Pross said:Classic by election protest vote on local issues or a sign that people do want a decent alternative to the Tories but Labour hasn't been offering it?
The Lib Dems threw everything at it, maybe it's a lesson that they need to make themselves more visible instead of hiding in the sidelines all the time.
Not sure it can be anything more than a protest in relation to HS2 though as having a local Lib Dem MP opposed to it won't make any difference.
He resonates with a portion of the red wall, but even then, that support is at risk if his wife writes more of his speeches about wanting a gender neutral feminine economy.
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lolJezyboy said:
If we ignore the voters on here who would vote for Peter Sutcliffe if he wore a blue rosette, and listen to people who fall in the traditional Conservative bracket, or have voted for both sides previously, Boris isn't that attractive.Pross said:Classic by election protest vote on local issues or a sign that people do want a decent alternative to the Tories but Labour hasn't been offering it?
The Lib Dems threw everything at it, maybe it's a lesson that they need to make themselves more visible instead of hiding in the sidelines all the time.
Not sure it can be anything more than a protest in relation to HS2 though as having a local Lib Dem MP opposed to it won't make any difference.
He resonates with a portion of the red wall, but even then, that support is at risk if his wife writes more of his speeches about wanting a gender neutral feminine economy.0 -
Chesham and Amersham is obvs the classic LibDem wokey-dokey sort of place. Paging the Toryfanbois club... paging the ToryFanbois club... we're missing your scintillating perpectives.0
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It's returned a Conservative MP at every previous election, so not sure that's true.orraloon said:Chesham and Amersham is obvs the classic LibDem wokey-dokey sort of place. Paging the Toryfanbois club... paging the ToryFanbois club... we're missing your scintillating perpectives.
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Something to do with drones apparently.0 -
haha guilty.rjsterry said:
Love the way everyone keeps talking about it as though it is still only plans on a drawing board. If they were voting based on HS2, they are about two elections too late.ugo.santalucia said:Most likely HS2 related. There is still strong opposition to the project in the area and obviously now that it looks completely pointless, there was maybe a justified expectation that the government would put the brakes on the project.
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Nothing is stopping HS2.rick_chasey said:HS2 round there is toast then
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She's about having hs2, but not bulldozing woods in her constituency.rjsterry said:
Quite. I can't find a mention of HS2 in Sarah Green's social media.kingstongraham said:
And the Lib dems' 2019 manifesto was pro hs2. So there's that.rjsterry said:
Love the way everyone keeps talking about it as though it is still only plans on a drawing board. If they were voting based on HS2, they are about two elections too late.ugo.santalucia said:Most likely HS2 related. There is still strong opposition to the project in the area and obviously now that it looks completely pointless, there was maybe a justified expectation that the government would put the brakes on the project.
I think the planning law reform combined with that will have been a big indication that they've been taken for granted by the tories.0 -
I mean, actual construction work is under way and has been for some time.1985 Mercian King of Mercia - work in progress (Hah! Who am I kidding?)
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Nothing is changing with HS2. It's been all systems go around the Coventry area for the last 15 months. TBF I'm pretty impressed by the amount of progress that has been made.0
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Indeed. Billions has been spent already on enabling works, design and the first year or so of construction. Thousands of people have been recruited into jobs, many of whom would probably have been furloughed or made redundant if there wasn't this huge project for people to work on.rjsterry said:I mean, actual construction work is under way and has been for some time.
Must declare my interest, as i work on an HS2 project.0 -
Apart from leaves on the line, wrong kind of snow, the RMT striking about a "safety issue" that can miraculously be fixed by giving its members a pay rise, the franchise running the trains being incompetentelbowloh said:
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Yes, and if you feel you've been shat on in the planning and construction process, you might take that into consideration.rjsterry said:I mean, actual construction work is under way and has been for some time.
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they may have noticed that Carrie wants them to spend £12k on a air source heat pump and Boris will probably introduce a buddy system so you buy one for a norverner.kingstongraham said:
Yes, and if you feel you've been shat on in the planning and construction process, you might take that into consideration.rjsterry said:I mean, actual construction work is under way and has been for some time.
Lots of anger about planning regs as well.
I thought it was a recognied fact that the more people are exposed to Boris the less they like him and that the "likeable schtick" quickly wears thin.
All in all a safe way to shoot a salvo ascross the bows to make a point about not being taken for granted0 -
The public consultation was a decade ago. If you felt aggrieved by the result of that why would you have voted Conservative or LibDem in any of the subsequent elections?kingstongraham said:
Yes, and if you feel you've been shat on in the planning and construction process, you might take that into consideration.rjsterry said:I mean, actual construction work is under way and has been for some time.
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Reality suddenly dawning.rjsterry said:
The public consultation was a decade ago. If you felt aggrieved by the result of that why would you have voted Conservative or LibDem in any of the subsequent elections?kingstongraham said:
Yes, and if you feel you've been shat on in the planning and construction process, you might take that into consideration.rjsterry said:I mean, actual construction work is under way and has been for some time.
And in planning reform, how do you now take the promises that it will be ok, the nice tories will look after places like this?0 -
Possibly. I see that fairly regularly at the smaller end of the scale. But again, all of the major parties support HS2. I just don't think it has much to do with this election. As for planning reform, I don't think anyone has a clue.kingstongraham said:
Reality suddenly dawning.rjsterry said:
The public consultation was a decade ago. If you felt aggrieved by the result of that why would you have voted Conservative or LibDem in any of the subsequent elections?kingstongraham said:
Yes, and if you feel you've been shat on in the planning and construction process, you might take that into consideration.rjsterry said:I mean, actual construction work is under way and has been for some time.
And in planning reform, how do you now take the promises that it will be ok, the nice tories will look after places like this?1985 Mercian King of Mercia - work in progress (Hah! Who am I kidding?)
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I mean, the man's a bit of a plank, but you'd be an idiot not to at least take his view on board when it comes to elections.focuszing723 said:
Something to do with drones apparently.0 -
Probably.kingstongraham said:
Reality suddenly dawning.rjsterry said:
The public consultation was a decade ago. If you felt aggrieved by the result of that why would you have voted Conservative or LibDem in any of the subsequent elections?kingstongraham said:
Yes, and if you feel you've been shat on in the planning and construction process, you might take that into consideration.rjsterry said:I mean, actual construction work is under way and has been for some time.
And in planning reform, how do you now take the promises that it will be ok, the nice tories will look after places like this?
Round here people are upset thinking there are future plans to disrupt the village.
Plans that went through public consultation 5 years ago.The above may be fact, or fiction, I may be serious, I may be jesting.
I am not sure. You have no chance.Veronese68 wrote:PB is the most sensible person on here.0 -
I think most people have already sussed it's an anti-HS2 protest vote, doesn't need me to tell you that. Which is kind of appropriate as the Lib Dems are a fringe protest party these daysorraloon said:Chesham and Amersham is obvs the classic LibDem wokey-dokey sort of place. Paging the Toryfanbois club... paging the ToryFanbois club... we're missing your scintillating perpectives.
Anyhow, I guess we're back to a paltry 80 seat majority. Hey ho
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Presumably anyone putting it down to an HS2 protest vote is also calling the voters poorly informed, as the public consultation was years back.
Or is it only OK to call the voters poorly informed when it doesn't go your way.2 -
Whatever excuse you want to use. 😏Stevo_666 said:
I think most people have already sussed it's an anti-HS2 protest vote, doesn't need me to tell you that. Which is kind of appropriate as the Lib Dems are a fringe protest party these daysorraloon said:Chesham and Amersham is obvs the classic LibDem wokey-dokey sort of place. Paging the Toryfanbois club... paging the ToryFanbois club... we're missing your scintillating perpectives.
Anyhow, I guess we're back to a paltry 80 seat majority. Hey ho1985 Mercian King of Mercia - work in progress (Hah! Who am I kidding?)
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Christ, if the tories are suffering in elections because of things they've done, they really should be worried.
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Maybe Johnson should promise a referendum on re-joining the EU.
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