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  • dish_dash
    dish_dash Posts: 5,563
    Away with your economics...

    Do we have any thoughts on the Worlds route yet? Beginning to think about where I might stay...
  • bobmcstuff
    bobmcstuff Posts: 11,196
    I would have thought you could have a nice variety of racing in 4 days. Sprints, hilly classics type and maybe a TT.

    I liked the Bristol split stage from the TOB last year, TT and circuit race on the same circuit in the city (with a pretty severe climb in it too). Given the crowds the ToY seems to attract I would have thought something like that with multiple opportunities to see the riders and really make a day of it would be popular.
  • kleinstroker
    kleinstroker Posts: 2,133
    By the way it's not ToY or Tour of Yorkshire, it is the Tour de Yorkshire.. tha knows.
  • lettingthedaysgoby
    lettingthedaysgoby Posts: 1,732
    If it's going to be 4 days can we have 2 hilly ones, a TT and one sprinters route please.
  • gsk82
    gsk82 Posts: 3,471
    Rick Chasey wrote:
    dish_dash wrote:
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    and 4 days was the only way to get 2 days for the women - I didn't quite get that bit.

    Presumably the women's event is loss making, so some of the money leftover from the men's can help subsidise the women's.

    That's how I read it.

    you can't have two seventy-five mile stages in a three stage mens race. if they insist on having the men's stage as short as the women's it needs four days. they could just shelv that silly attemt at equality and have the men do an extra loop at the end.
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  • rick_chasey
    rick_chasey Posts: 72,789
    gsk82 wrote:
    Rick Chasey wrote:
    dish_dash wrote:
    .
    and 4 days was the only way to get 2 days for the women - I didn't quite get that bit.

    Presumably the women's event is loss making, so some of the money leftover from the men's can help subsidise the women's.

    That's how I read it.

    you can't have two seventy-five mile stages in a three stage mens race. if they insist on having the men's stage as short as the women's it needs four days. they could just shelv that silly attemt at equality and have the men do an extra loop at the end.

    Or have the women ride 200km.
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  • thegibdog
    thegibdog Posts: 2,106
    Simon E wrote:
    thegibdog wrote:
    Verity has confirmed that the plan is for 4 days for the men, and also two days for the women.

    I'm not sure that it'll make for more exciting racing but I guess it'll be good in terms of exposure.
    But if you stick to the single day long race format then you surely won't attract the big name Classics riders, who have been racing to peak for P-R or the Ardennes and will be ready for a break, not grippy roads and b*stardly steep climbs in northern England. And we get a 6 hour race where potentially nothing happens for 4½ hours or more.

    A 3 or 4 day event allows more teams and riders to get some exposure as well as showcasing various towns and parts of the county. I would have thought it is also a bigger magnet for sponsors, provide considerably more substantial tourism income and RoI for the councils and other bodies involved.
    Yep, a stage race makes sense on many levels. But one day races > stage races. I'll be honest, I just want a quality one day race in the north of England. Maybe we'll get one as a legacy event after the World Champs...
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  • rick_chasey
    rick_chasey Posts: 72,789
    It IS pretty f*cking cool having a proper international pro race go by your house at the same time every year.










    Especially when Boonen wins having smashed your commute.
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  • DeVlaeminck
    DeVlaeminck Posts: 8,746
    lettingthedaysgoby wrote:
    If it's going to be 4 days can we have 2 hilly ones, a TT and one sprinters route please.


    I hope you are only suggesting a TT because it makes a decent day out for spectators.
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  • lettingthedaysgoby
    lettingthedaysgoby Posts: 1,732
    DeVlaeminck wrote:
    lettingthedaysgoby wrote:
    If it's going to be 4 days can we have 2 hilly ones, a TT and one sprinters route please.


    I hope you are only suggesting a TT because it makes a decent day out for spectators.
    Pretty much. Keep the route as compact as possible, easy for spectators to move to different vantage points, more chances to see riders and so on. Followed next day by a stage starting or finishing in the same place and you have something that's a good weekend out.
  • Pross
    Pross Posts: 40,641
    I reckon a TT would be too much of a deciding factor in a 4 day race unless it was kept really short which would then make it fairly pointless adding an extra day. It may work if the length was just right to allow a TT specialist to open a lead that it would be touch and go they could defend over a couple of hilly stages but better to just have an additional lumpy day in my opinion, let a bunch of puncheurs / minor GC riders fight out the GC.
  • RichN95.
    RichN95. Posts: 27,158
    Pross wrote:
    I reckon a TT would be too much of a deciding factor in a 4 day race unless it was kept really short which would then make it fairly pointless adding an extra day. It may work if the length was just right to allow a TT specialist to open a lead that it would be touch and go they could defend over a couple of hilly stages but better to just have an additional lumpy day in my opinion, let a bunch of puncheurs / minor GC riders fight out the GC.
    I think a stage with a Mur de Huy type finish might we a good addition. I have no idea if there is anywhere suitable as someone who thinks 'The North' starts at Caerphilly.
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  • bobmcstuff
    bobmcstuff Posts: 11,196
    RichN95 wrote:
    Pross wrote:
    I reckon a TT would be too much of a deciding factor in a 4 day race unless it was kept really short which would then make it fairly pointless adding an extra day. It may work if the length was just right to allow a TT specialist to open a lead that it would be touch and go they could defend over a couple of hilly stages but better to just have an additional lumpy day in my opinion, let a bunch of puncheurs / minor GC riders fight out the GC.
    I think a stage with a Mur de Huy type finish might we a good addition. I have no idea if there is anywhere suitable as someone who thinks 'The North' starts at Caerphilly.

    Mur de Huy isn't that big - 1.2km at 10% on Strava, 121m elev gain https://www.strava.com/segments/617076?hl=en-GB

    Must be plenty of climbs which can compete with that in Yorkshire (probably down south too).
  • cruff
    cruff Posts: 1,518
    Never mind Yorkshire, Lancashire has about twenty climbs alone that are harder than the Mur
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  • bobmcstuff
    bobmcstuff Posts: 11,196
    Cruff wrote:
    Never mind Yorkshire, Lancashire has about twenty climbs alone that are harder than the Mur

    Even Cheshire has climbs harder than the Mur...
  • andyrac
    andyrac Posts: 1,133
    Cruff wrote:
    Never mind Yorkshire, Lancashire has about twenty climbs alone that are harder than the Mur

    Do we know whether Lancashire have shown any enthusiasm for a major cycling event? I mean, the Red Rose county don't usually like to be shown up by their White Rose rivals?
    Get RCS involved and call it the Giro di Lancashire....... :lol:
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  • thegibdog
    thegibdog Posts: 2,106
    RichN95 wrote:
    I think a stage with a Mur de Huy type finish might we a good addition. I have no idea if there is anywhere suitable as someone who thinks 'The North' starts at Caerphilly.
    As mentioned there are loads of climbs like the Mur de Huy. Half the climbs on Sunday were very similar. Whether any would be suitable for a stage finish or not I dunno. I'm not sure a Mur de Huy type finish would be too of my list anyway, it doesn't create the best finales imo.
    AndyRAC wrote:
    Do we know whether Lancashire have shown any enthusiasm for a major cycling event? I mean, the Red Rose county don't usually like to be shown up by their White Rose rivals?
    There have been quite a few Tour of Britain stages in Lancashire in the past. The Chorley Grand Prix has been a success over the last few years. The Barley road race champs back in 2010 was also a cracker of a course by all accounts.
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  • rick_chasey
    rick_chasey Posts: 72,789
    Don't come onto a Yorkshire thread trying to espouse the virtues of Lancashire.

    Be gone with you, and your wrongly coloured rose.
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  • lettingthedaysgoby
    lettingthedaysgoby Posts: 1,732
    Rick Chasey wrote:
    Don't come onto a Yorkshire thread trying to espouse the virtues of Lancashire.

    Be gone with you, and your wrongly coloured rose.
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  • ddraver
    ddraver Posts: 26,392
    Given how boring we usually find FW, do you think it's a good idea to recreate it? Whether we can find an equivalent hill or not?
    We're in danger of confusing passion with incompetence
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  • cruff
    cruff Posts: 1,518
    AndyRAC wrote:
    Cruff wrote:
    Never mind Yorkshire, Lancashire has about twenty climbs alone that are harder than the Mur

    Do we know whether Lancashire have shown any enthusiasm for a major cycling event? I mean, the Red Rose county don't usually like to be shown up by their White Rose rivals?
    Get RCS involved and call it the Giro di Lancashire....... :lol:
    Lancashire never shows enthusiasm for anything. It just gets on with it, without making a fuss. Unlike them lot over the wrong side of the hills...
    Fat chopper. Some racing. Some testing. Some crashing.
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  • Pross
    Pross Posts: 40,641
    ddraver wrote:
    Given how boring we usually find FW, do you think it's a good idea to recreate it? Whether we can find an equivalent hill or not?

    Different context in a stage race where riders would be looking to gain time maybe? Also, likely to be a significantly shorter race.
  • RichN95.
    RichN95. Posts: 27,158
    ddraver wrote:
    Given how boring we usually find FW, do you think it's a good idea to recreate it? Whether we can find an equivalent hill or not?
    FW is a one day race on the World Tour.
    I'm talking about a stage in a four day stage race with much less strength in depth.
    It's would create more time gaps than a regular sprint stage, offer a chance for a breakaway, but not kill the GC before the final hilliest stage.
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