Milan San Remo 2017 - Spoilers
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Rick Chasey wrote:Keep an eye on Sagan's cadence this year.
To me it seems a bit faster than it used to be, especially in the attack.
We know who famously made that change halfway through his career.....
I read his bio, that was just because he was copying one of his teammates who signed for the team
Saw the pick of Sagan's chain on facebook, amazed he had any power with it like that.
What's all this riding in the rain about ?? Next you'll be telling me I can go out when it's below 10 degrees 0 -
that was after they crossed the finish line, it didn't effect his sprint.Rick Chasey wrote:
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RichN95 wrote:
I'm not entirely sure where they are meant to be doing their turns at the front. The descent of the Poggio ends only 2.2km from the finish. There's only about a 1-1.5 kilometres where riders can contribute.NorvernRob wrote:AK_jnr wrote:The Kwiato bashing on the comments on various cycling news pages is ridiculous. This was literally no different to the thousands of breakaway finishes that have gone before it, but because its Sagan people lose their minds.
I was going to post pretty much the same thing. The world is full of idiots, apparently Kwia is a 'wheelsucker' (have these people never seen Valverde race )
One of the articles even states that Alaphillipe did turns on the front while Kwia sat in! :roll:
I think Sagan has attracted a lot of new and casual fans into watching cycling, which is great for viewing figures and for the industry as a whole, but not so great when you're reading a pretty high percentage of posts on social media that say Kwia cheated...
I suppose it's like Anthony Joshua or GGG fans in boxing, they're enthusiastic and vocal but largely clueless when it comes to the actual technicalities of the sport.0 -
NorvernRob wrote:RichN95 wrote:
I'm not entirely sure where they are meant to be doing their turns at the front. The descent of the Poggio ends only 2.2km from the finish. There's only about a 1-1.5 kilometres where riders can contribute.NorvernRob wrote:AK_jnr wrote:The Kwiato bashing on the comments on various cycling news pages is ridiculous. This was literally no different to the thousands of breakaway finishes that have gone before it, but because its Sagan people lose their minds.
I was going to post pretty much the same thing. The world is full of idiots, apparently Kwia is a 'wheelsucker' (have these people never seen Valverde race )
One of the articles even states that Alaphillipe did turns on the front while Kwia sat in! :roll:
I think Sagan has attracted a lot of new and casual fans into watching cycling, which is great for viewing figures and for the industry as a whole, but not so great when you're reading a pretty high percentage of posts on social media that say Kwia cheated...
I suppose it's like Anthony Joshua or GGG fans in boxing, they're enthusiastic and vocal but largely clueless when it comes to the actual technicalities of the sport.
kwia and Julian did nothing wrong. Why work with a guy who could be stronger than you and get beat. It's the same as a defender just passing to the striker of the other team to let them scrore.
Once the move stuck they both took turns, but still made sure Sagan did more of the work. i noticed earlier on this year that even when others took turns, Sagan still came back to the front far too quickly and took longer turns.
Some people just dont get the tactics of cycling0 -
sherer wrote:NorvernRob wrote:RichN95 wrote:
I'm not entirely sure where they are meant to be doing their turns at the front. The descent of the Poggio ends only 2.2km from the finish. There's only about a 1-1.5 kilometres where riders can contribute.NorvernRob wrote:AK_jnr wrote:The Kwiato bashing on the comments on various cycling news pages is ridiculous. This was literally no different to the thousands of breakaway finishes that have gone before it, but because its Sagan people lose their minds.
I was going to post pretty much the same thing. The world is full of idiots, apparently Kwia is a 'wheelsucker' (have these people never seen Valverde race )
One of the articles even states that Alaphillipe did turns on the front while Kwia sat in! :roll:
I think Sagan has attracted a lot of new and casual fans into watching cycling, which is great for viewing figures and for the industry as a whole, but not so great when you're reading a pretty high percentage of posts on social media that say Kwia cheated...
I suppose it's like Anthony Joshua or GGG fans in boxing, they're enthusiastic and vocal but largely clueless when it comes to the actual technicalities of the sport.
kwia and Julian did nothing wrong. Why work with a guy who could be stronger than you and get beat. It's the same as a defender just passing to the striker of the other team to let them scrore.
Once the move stuck they both took turns, but still made sure Sagan did more of the work. i noticed earlier on this year that even when others took turns, Sagan still came back to the front far too quickly and took longer turns.
Some people just dont get the tactics of cycling
I dont think it has anything to do with 'new and casual' fans. Do you think they would really be watching MSR on a saturday afternoon?
Nothing to do with not understanding tactics either.
More likely just a kneejerk reaction by sagan fans, or even more likely the anti-sky brigade0 -
That finish line photo is superb, very good symmetry but suggests it's best to keep your bike vertical!
Good to see people vying to take up Frenchie's mantel as the arbiter of good aesthetics too.0 -
Dem quads tho
Best finish I've personally seen since Cavendish shattered Hausslers dreams."A cyclist has nothing to lose but his chain"
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“New York has the haircuts, London has the trousers, but Belfast has the reason!0 -
Probably been discussed before, but I get the impression Sagan just loves racing, and is lucky enough to have such impressive ability. He congratulated Kwia straight away, no flouncing or frustration shown at all. I don't think I could do the same!"A cyclist has nothing to lose but his chain"
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ShockedSoShocked wrote:Probably been discussed before, but I get the impression Sagan just loves racing, and is lucky enough to have such impressive ability. He congratulated Kwia straight away, no flouncing or frustration shown at all. I don't think I could do the same!
I'd be annoyed if I was Kwia but anyway.0 -
Rick Chasey wrote:ShockedSoShocked wrote:Probably been discussed before, but I get the impression Sagan just loves racing, and is lucky enough to have such impressive ability. He congratulated Kwia straight away, no flouncing or frustration shown at all. I don't think I could do the same!
I'd be annoyed if I was Kwia but anyway.
Why?“New York has the haircuts, London has the trousers, but Belfast has the reason!0 -
Well if I dedicated my professional life to winning races like this, and put everything on the line, the training, the suffering, the diets, the long weeks away from the family, the stretching, living generally like a monk, and then when I win the guy who I beat goes "meh, didn't care anyway, all a laugh innit?" I'd feel he hadn't put it all on the line and so devalues the victory.
To feel like a winner you got to feel everyone was trying as hard as you were. That's why big races and events are better viewing. I'm much more interested in Olympic athletics since I know every person on that track is desperate to win it and they will have spent 4 years building up to it. I care less about the diamond league because they haven't.
Kwia winning MSR is a much bigger deal than Strade Bianche since people focus on MSR as an end objective and not SB.
Sagan makes out he doesn't care enough.0 -
Also, ultimately, more people are saying 'how great is Sagan for being such a great loser' rather than Kwia's great win.
More honourable would be to look seriously cheesed off, grumble about the best man winning, and letting kiwa take all the glory.0 -
It would be just the same needless posturing. Had you gone through torturous training and just barely beat the other guy, you would know that he went through the same hell or more.
Look at Sagan's face on the podium, he is happy with what he has put out.0 -
Rick Chasey wrote:Also, ultimately, more people are saying 'how great is Sagan for being such a great loser' rather than Kwia's great win.
More honourable would be to look seriously cheesed off, grumble about the best man winning, and letting kiwa take all the glory.
I saw it more as an acknowledgement that he had beaten him - a sort of well done I gave it everything and you still beat me.[Castle Donington Ladies FC - going up in '22]0 -
So why did he say "I'm satisfied. The result is important but so is putting on a show for the fans. The strongest doesn't always win" ??
Come on guys.
You don't want your riders having perspective. Ruins the whole thing.
Look at Contador and how bummed he was after Paris Nice. That's a true-champ way to lose. Go down kicking and screaming, and look totally spent at the end. Then Henao feels like he REALLY earned it.0 -
“New York has the haircuts, London has the trousers, but Belfast has the reason!0
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I guess it'd be easy for so many second places to get to Sagan's head, change the way he rides, make him a bitter. Maybe deliberately taking a c'est la vie approach is his way of letting go of the races that are over and focusing on the next.
I think his tactics are right, he'll lose a lot of small group sprints by being so aggressive but he's also putting himself into a lot a small group sprints by being so aggressive. He has to keep on doing it but work out a way of not letting being outsprinted by someone who has sat on his wheel beat him two thirds of the time get to him.[Castle Donington Ladies FC - going up in '22]0 -
By a quick count Sagan has raced 17 days this year so far, 10 of these days he's finished 1st or 2nd.“New York has the haircuts, London has the trousers, but Belfast has the reason!0
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It makes me very happy that the physics and tactics of bike racing mean that although Sagan is clearly the strongest rider in a whole host of different races, it doesn't mean he wins them all. Makes things much more exciting than so many other sports where a competitor with Sagan's attributes would completely dominate the sport.0
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DeVlaeminck wrote:I guess it'd be easy for so many second places to get to Sagan's head, change the way he rides, make him a bitter. Maybe deliberately taking a c'est la vie approach is his way of letting go of the races that are over and focusing on the next.
I think his tactics are right, he'll lose a lot of small group sprints by being so aggressive but he's also putting himself into a lot a small group sprints by being so aggressive. He has to keep on doing it but work out a way of not letting being outsprinted by someone who has sat on his wheel beat him two thirds of the time get to him.
Cancellara was not that different, and was on the podium 4 times in MSR.0 -
I think I read over the weekend that Sagan has 78 second places.
Procyclingstats suggests he has 92 pro wins.
I think you can still show sportsmanship whilst being bitterly disappointed the line wasn't 2 metres sooner, and I also think different people show such emotions differently. Many youngster throw their toys out of the pram, older more mature riders often become more sanguine.0 -
http://www.cyclingweekly.com/news/racin ... yle-320843
I wonder if he'll still be saying that if Sagan races with 'style' in RVV and PR and just loses out in both of those as well.
As Sagan's proved this season, being the strongest rider alone isn't enough. Hopefully he'll use his head a bit more as it would be a real shame if he finishes this years Spring Classics season without winning a big one.0 -
SPaM02 wrote:http://www.cyclingweekly.com/news/racing/peter-sagan-didnt-just-want-win-san-remo-win-style-320843
I wonder if he'll still be saying that if Sagan races with 'style' in RVV and PR and just loses out in both of those as well.
As Sagan's proved this season, being the strongest rider alone isn't enough. Hopefully he'll use his head a bit more as it would be a real shame if he finishes this years Spring Classics season without winning a big one.
Probably. Sponsors going to be pretty happy with the amount of exposure.
But... it's a load of bullshit isn't it? Truth is, it was probably his best option for taking the win. Solo break would probably have been caught, group sprint he would not be favourite.0 -
The point isn't that he shouldn't have gone for the break. The point is, once he is in the final selection (which he brought about himself), he needs to play his cards better. See Cancellara's 2014 Ronde Van Vlaanderen win for example.PTP Champion 2019, 2022 & 20230
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M.R.M. wrote:The point isn't that he shouldn't have gone for the break. The point is, once he is in the final selection (which he brought about himself), he needs to play his cards better. See Cancellara's 2014 Ronde Van Vlaanderen win for example.
My point is that he didn't create the break because he wanted to win in style - he did it because he wanted to win.
Having got there, the others know from his past that he isn't going to risk the bunch catching them, so they can leave him hang there in the wind.0 -
M.R.M. wrote:The point isn't that he shouldn't have gone for the break. The point is, once he is in the final selection (which he brought about himself), he needs to play his cards better. See Cancellara's 2014 Ronde Van Vlaanderen win for example.
I don't think he had many other cards to play, neither of the others were going to do lots of work for him so if he'd started playing silly buggers they would have been caught.0 -
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