Milan San Remo 2017 - Spoilers
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We'll look at that break in ten minutes and say that was a heavyweight group!Rick Chasey wrote:The Boonen v Cancellara of the next generation those two.
Alaphilippe is the real deal. 24 and he's already been within a hair's breadth of wining Liege and MSR.
We'll look back at that break in 10 years time and say that was a seriously heavyweight group.0 -
Whinging about the result misses the joy of cycling.
It's not just the strongest who win, but also the smartest.0 -
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Rick Chasey wrote:We'll look back at that break in 10 years time and say that was a seriously heavyweight group.
Current double World champ, and his predecessor. Plus (sticking my neck out now on this on) a future rainbow jersey.Team My Man 2018: David gaudu, Pierre Latour, Romain Bardet, Thibaut pinot, Alexandre Geniez, Florian Senechal, Warren Barguil, Benoit Cosnefroy0 -
bobmcstuff wrote:
We'll look at that break in ten minutes and say that was a heavyweight group!Rick Chasey wrote:The Boonen v Cancellara of the next generation those two.
Alaphilippe is the real deal. 24 and he's already been within a hair's breadth of wining Liege and MSR.
We'll look back at that break in 10 years time and say that was a seriously heavyweight group.
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Ach, those two will keep on battling out the big wins for years to come
'Tis great0 -
Yep. Sagan, Flower: future legends for meIt's only a bit of sport, Mun. Relax and enjoy the racing.0
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RichN95 wrote:
I'm not entirely sure where they are meant to be doing their turns at the front. The descent of the Poggio ends only 2.2km from the finish. There's only about a 1-1.5 kilometres where riders can contribute.NorvernRob wrote:AK_jnr wrote:The Kwiato bashing on the comments on various cycling news pages is ridiculous. This was literally no different to the thousands of breakaway finishes that have gone before it, but because its Sagan people lose their minds.
I was going to post pretty much the same thing. The world is full of idiots, apparently Kwia is a 'wheelsucker' (have these people never seen Valverde race )
One of the articles even states that Alaphillipe did turns on the front while Kwia sat in! :roll:
Given that Sagan is capable of winning sprints against the world's best sprinters. I have no idea why anyone in their right minds would help him to the line.0 -
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Rick Chasey wrote:
These flipping big budget teams."Science is a tool for cheaters". An anonymous French PE teacher.0 -
Maybe it's just a rebadged Prosecco.Blazing Saddles wrote:Rick Chasey wrote:
These flipping big budget teams.Twitter: @RichN950 -
RichN95 wrote:
Maybe it's just a rebadged Prosecco.Blazing Saddles wrote:Rick Chasey wrote:
These flipping big budget teams.
Probably. Roan should investigate the frauds, I suspect he has experienced the real deal in the hospitality suite today.0 -
Sagan's content with his 2nd place and his role in making the race 'entertaining' does get to the heart of the tension that cycling has always had between winning and being popular. 0
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underlayunderlay wrote:TheBigBean wrote:Sagan just went a bit too early. I think he could have won even from the front if he delayed his sprint slightly.
I feel like he opened up early to try and catch them by surprise, and the gap that he opened suggests that it did. Just that bit too far to hold though.
I'd be interested to hear Cavendish's view on the finish, actually - he's pretty good at describing the nuances of wind, gradient etc and the way that they sometimes conspire to bugger up the cues that riders rely on - just to learn if there's anything that might have prompted Sagan to misjudge that moment to go.
Kwia rode that finish very cleverly I thought, laying off a touch to make it harder for Alaphillipe to come round and giving himself space to come of Sagan's wheel. Must have great form to keep his cool like that. Can't wait til Flanders now and Sagan's "revenge".0 -
Rick Chasey wrote:Sagan's content with his 2nd place and his role in making the race 'entertaining' does get to the heart of the tension that cycling has always had between winning and being popular.
He'll whip him next month in Dallas“New York has the haircuts, London has the trousers, but Belfast has the reason!0 -
Never quite had the full Kirby rage, but just watched some highlights and his calling of the sprint and the attack is horrendous.0
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Just watched the race again from Cipressa onwards. Great race.0
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mm1 wrote:underlayunderlay wrote:TheBigBean wrote:Sagan just went a bit too early. I think he could have won even from the front if he delayed his sprint slightly.
I feel like he opened up early to try and catch them by surprise, and the gap that he opened suggests that it did. Just that bit too far to hold though.
I'd be interested to hear Cavendish's view on the finish, actually - he's pretty good at describing the nuances of wind, gradient etc and the way that they sometimes conspire to bugger up the cues that riders rely on - just to learn if there's anything that might have prompted Sagan to misjudge that moment to go.
Kwia rode that finish very cleverly I thought, laying off a touch to make it harder for Alaphillipe to come round and giving himself space to come of Sagan's wheel. Must have great form to keep his cool like that. Can't wait til Flanders now and Sagan's "revenge".
Kwiato's not doing a cobbles campaign - he's going all in for the hillies0 -
Richmond Racer 2 wrote:Just watched the race again from Cipressa onwards. Great race.
Mmm, it seems that every March, I am out of synch with the forum.
Tres predictable, but for the final 2% of the race's length, I thought.
The same script as every other year, but with fewer attacks."Science is a tool for cheaters". An anonymous French PE teacher.0 -
Richmond Racer 2 wrote:mm1 wrote:underlayunderlay wrote:TheBigBean wrote:Sagan just went a bit too early. I think he could have won even from the front if he delayed his sprint slightly.
I feel like he opened up early to try and catch them by surprise, and the gap that he opened suggests that it did. Just that bit too far to hold though.
I'd be interested to hear Cavendish's view on the finish, actually - he's pretty good at describing the nuances of wind, gradient etc and the way that they sometimes conspire to bugger up the cues that riders rely on - just to learn if there's anything that might have prompted Sagan to misjudge that moment to go.
Kwia rode that finish very cleverly I thought, laying off a touch to make it harder for Alaphillipe to come round and giving himself space to come of Sagan's wheel. Must have great form to keep his cool like that. Can't wait til Flanders now and Sagan's "revenge".
Kwiato's not doing a cobbles campaign - he's going all in for the hillies
Didn't mean personally, though the rivalry is enthralling. Looking forward to seeing Sagan fired up and smashing his way round the Flanders bergs, but so hope that Tommeke gets the better of him.0 -
Blazing Saddles wrote:Richmond Racer 2 wrote:Just watched the race again from Cipressa onwards. Great race.
Mmm, it seems that every March, I am out of synch with the forum.
Tres predictable, but for the final 2% of the race's length, I thought.
The same script as every other year, but with fewer attacks.
If it's so predictable, how come no-one picked the winner in PTP? The beauty of MSR is the gradual build up of tension, watching the tactics of different teams unfold and wondering if the inevitable Poggio attackers will get enough of a gap to hold off the remains of the peloton.0 -
andyp wrote:Blazing Saddles wrote:Richmond Racer 2 wrote:Just watched the race again from Cipressa onwards. Great race.
Mmm, it seems that every March, I am out of synch with the forum.
Tres predictable, but for the final 2% of the race's length, I thought.
The same script as every other year, but with fewer attacks.
If it's so predictable, how come no-one picked the winner in PTP? The beauty of MSR is the gradual build up of tension, watching the tactics of different teams unfold and wondering if the inevitable Poggio attackers will get enough of a gap to hold off the remains of the peloton.
Who knows the result of any race before it starts?
I think I covered that, in my post in any case."Science is a tool for cheaters". An anonymous French PE teacher.0 -
Blazing Saddles wrote:Richmond Racer 2 wrote:Just watched the race again from Cipressa onwards. Great race.
Mmm, it seems that every March, I am out of synch with the forum.
Tres predictable, but for the final 2% of the race's length, I thought.
The same script as every other year, but with fewer attacks.
Got to agree, I think theres a bit of racing withdrawal affecting ratings here....We're in danger of confusing passion with incompetence
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NorvernRob wrote:AK_jnr wrote:The Kwiato bashing on the comments on various cycling news pages is ridiculous. This was literally no different to the thousands of breakaway finishes that have gone before it, but because its Sagan people lose their minds.
I was going to post pretty much the same thing. The world is full of idiots, apparently Kwia is a 'wheelsucker' (have these people never seen Valverde race )
One of the articles even states that Alaphillipe did turns on the front while Kwia sat in! :roll:
Just rewatched it and Kwia did a lot more work than Alaphillipe!
In any case expecting either of them to work to bring one of the world's best sprinters to the line is fully insane.0 -
bobmcstuff wrote:NorvernRob wrote:AK_jnr wrote:The Kwiato bashing on the comments on various cycling news pages is ridiculous. This was literally no different to the thousands of breakaway finishes that have gone before it, but because its Sagan people lose their minds.
I was going to post pretty much the same thing. The world is full of idiots, apparently Kwia is a 'wheelsucker' (have these people never seen Valverde race )
One of the articles even states that Alaphillipe did turns on the front while Kwia sat in! :roll:
Just rewatched it and Kwia did a lot more work than Alaphillipe!
In any case expecting either of them to work to bring one of the world's best sprinters to the line is fully insane.
It's because he rides for Sky, if he'd been on any other team it'd be a tactical masterstroke0 -
I think a proportion of the raving about the race is the relief of withdrawal symptoms - but by no means is that the only thing.
Pretty much everyone expected MSR to be boring till the last 5-10% of the distance - the question was whether it would be a bunch sprint or if someone could get away on the up or the down of the Poggio (poss even Cipressa). The result that three of the most exciting, and IMO likeable, racers (the WorldC, the exWorldC and probably a future WorldC) crested Poggio in a break and raced down to the line and finished so close they could reach out and shake hands made it an exciting race
Sagan enlivens this whole sport - he is a bit mad, totally fearless, a complete natural, awesomely powerful, and a great sport0 -
Shadowrider wrote:bobmcstuff wrote:NorvernRob wrote:AK_jnr wrote:The Kwiato bashing on the comments on various cycling news pages is ridiculous. This was literally no different to the thousands of breakaway finishes that have gone before it, but because its Sagan people lose their minds.
I was going to post pretty much the same thing. The world is full of idiots, apparently Kwia is a 'wheelsucker' (have these people never seen Valverde race )
One of the articles even states that Alaphillipe did turns on the front while Kwia sat in! :roll:
Just rewatched it and Kwia did a lot more work than Alaphillipe!
In any case expecting either of them to work to bring one of the world's best sprinters to the line is fully insane.
It's because he rides for Sky, if he'd been on any other team it'd be a tactical masterstroke
I find knee jerk Sky bashing as tedious as anyone else, but I suspect the criticism is coming more from Sagan fans than because Kwia rides for Sky - De La Cruz got plenty of criticism for 'wheelsucking' after denying Contador, as another recent example, and he doesn't ride for Sky.0 -
/\ which was dumb too, I don't understand why people think de la cruz should have compromised his chance of a stage win to help someone else who was trying to win the overall.0
