Milan San Remo 2017 - Spoilers

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  • bluemoon17
    bluemoon17 Posts: 718
    Sagan- what a hitter. Top sprint from Kwiatkowski though to take that. Chapeau!
  • imatfaal
    imatfaal Posts: 2,716
    Imagine that race without Sagan.
    Doesn't bare thinking about.

    Kwia would have gone like he did in SB - between the two of them they look so much more powerful than the rest of the pack. And Allaphilipe is gonna win lots
  • galatzo
    galatzo Posts: 1,295
    Sagan is a bike RACER :twisted:
    25th August 2013 12hrs 37mins 52.3 seconds 238km 5500mtrs FYRM Never again.
  • Mad_Malx
    Mad_Malx Posts: 5,182
    This year's seeing some superb racing, isn't it? Breakaway 5km from the end and all three riders abreast on the line is pretty rare.

    Sagan used to really annoy me for reasons I couldn't fully articulate and now can't remember. These days he mostly just makes me laugh - it probably helps that he seems to enjoy pure racing regardless of whether he wins or loses. Pleased for Kwiatkowski though for taking that one - he seems to have rediscovered himself.

    All of this
  • RichN95.
    RichN95. Posts: 27,253
    edited March 2017
    They key to beating Sagan from a small group is to do a turn at the front with around 1.3-1.5km to go because Sagan will then come through and be in the lead with 1km to go and stay there. When he leads out the sprint he gets beaten more often than not.
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  • galatzo
    galatzo Posts: 1,295
    Sagan is as strong as Hodor, in fact he would have held the door, although he couldn't shut it on Kwia, I'm rambling I'm so excited :D
    I'm going out to play on my bike !
    25th August 2013 12hrs 37mins 52.3 seconds 238km 5500mtrs FYRM Never again.
  • bobmcstuff
    bobmcstuff Posts: 11,435
    That was fully awesome.

    Alaphilippe was shaking his head in the run up - did he think they would get caught or did he know he couldn't win?
  • bobmcstuff
    bobmcstuff Posts: 11,435
    RichN95 wrote:
    They key to beating Sagan from a small group is to do a turn at the front with around 1.3-1.5km to go because Sagan will then come through and be in the lead with 1km to go and stay there. When he leads out the sprint he gets beaten more often than not.
    Yeah the issue is no one will do real work for him because he's just so fast - he competes with the best in bunch sprints and still can win in breaks.

    He basically has to lead himself out!
  • RichN95.
    RichN95. Posts: 27,253
    Kwiatkowski's quality v quantity ratio of wins has to be one of the best in the sport.

    Excluding national titles, he only has 12 pro wins - but they include a Worlds, MSR, Amstel, E3 and two Strade Bianchis
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  • rick_chasey
    rick_chasey Posts: 75,661
    It's not like kiwa is new to racing with Sagan...
  • That were proper aces

    Loved it
  • TheBigBean
    TheBigBean Posts: 21,907
    1 Michal Kwiatkowski (Pol) Team Sky 7:08:39
    2 Peter Sagan (Svk) Bora-Hansgrohe
    3 Julian Alaphilippe (Fra) Quick-Step Floors
    4 Alexander Kristoff (Nor) Katusha-Alpecin 0:00:05
    5 Fernando Gaviria (Col) Quick-Step Floors
    6 Arnaud Demare (Fra) FDJ
    7 John Degenkolb (Ger) Trek-Segafredo
    8 Nacer Bouhanni (Fra) Cofidis, Solutions Credits
    9 Elia Viviani (Ita) Team Sky
    10 Caleb Ewan (Aus) Orica-Scott
    11 Magnus Cort Nielsen (Den) Orica-Scott
    12 Michael Matthews (Aus) Team Sunweb
    13 Sonny Colbrelli (Ita) Bahrain-Merida
    14 Daniele Bennati (Ita) Movistar Team
    15 Francesco Gavazzi (Ita) Androni Giocattoli
    16 Luka Mezgec (Slo) Orica-Scott
    17 Ben Swift (GBr) Team UAE Emirates
    18 Tim Wellens (Bel) Lotto Soudal
    19 Edvald Boasson Hagen (Nor) Dimension Data
    20 Marco Canola (Ita) Nippo - Vini Fantini
  • tailwindhome
    tailwindhome Posts: 19,434
    It's not like kiwa is new to racing with Sagan...

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  • RichN95.
    RichN95. Posts: 27,253
    edited March 2017
    It's not like kiwa is new to racing with Sagan...
    Here's a podium from about ten years or more ago

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  • mrb123
    mrb123 Posts: 4,815
    I love Sagan. Just wanted to share that.
  • TheBigBean
    TheBigBean Posts: 21,907
    Sagan just went a bit too early. I think he could have won even from the front if he delayed his sprint slightly.
  • Did Sky just win a monument?
    The vitamins will be popping tonight!
    no that's them just won monument number 2
  • thegibdog
    thegibdog Posts: 2,106
    bobmcstuff wrote:
    Alaphilippe was shaking his head in the run up - did he think they would get caught or did he know he couldn't win?
    Yeah, I thought the chase must've been much closer when I saw that.

    Great finish.
  • gsk82
    gsk82 Posts: 3,599
    Did Sky just win a monument?
    The vitamins will be popping tonight!
    no that's them just won monument number 2

    Two of the last three
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  • Lanterne_Rogue
    Lanterne_Rogue Posts: 4,332
    TheBigBean wrote:
    Sagan just went a bit too early. I think he could have won even from the front if he delayed his sprint slightly.

    I feel like he opened up early to try and catch them by surprise, and the gap that he opened suggests that it did. Just that bit too far to hold though.

    I'd be interested to hear Cavendish's view on the finish, actually - he's pretty good at describing the nuances of wind, gradient etc and the way that they sometimes conspire to bugger up the cues that riders rely on - just to learn if there's anything that might have prompted Sagan to misjudge that moment to go.
  • RichN95.
    RichN95. Posts: 27,253
    For those interested, Simon Clarke came 93rd
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  • RichN95 wrote:
    For those interested, Simon Clarke came 93rd


    "Si it ain't so!"

    Carlton. Probably.
  • Pross
    Pross Posts: 43,463
    RichN95 wrote:
    For those interested, Simon Clarke came 93rd


    "Si it ain't so!"

    Carlton. Probably.

    Such a shame he wasn't commentating today. It would have been worth it to see if he got all excited at there being an Aussie bloke called Clarke in the break and assume it was 'Si'
  • AK_jnr
    AK_jnr Posts: 717
    The Kwiato bashing on the comments on various cycling news pages is ridiculous. This was literally no different to the thousands of breakaway finishes that have gone before it, but because its Sagan people lose their minds.
  • norvernrob
    norvernrob Posts: 1,448
    AK_jnr wrote:
    The Kwiato bashing on the comments on various cycling news pages is ridiculous. This was literally no different to the thousands of breakaway finishes that have gone before it, but because its Sagan people lose their minds.

    I was going to post pretty much the same thing. The world is full of idiots, apparently Kwia is a 'wheelsucker' (have these people never seen Valverde race :lol: )

    One of the articles even states that Alaphillipe did turns on the front while Kwia sat in! :roll:
  • rick_chasey
    rick_chasey Posts: 75,661
    The Boonen v Cancellara of the next generation those two.

    Alaphilippe is the real deal. 24 and he's already been within a hair's breadth of wining Liege and MSR.


    We'll look back at that break in 10 years time and say that was a seriously heavyweight group.
  • DeVlaeminck
    DeVlaeminck Posts: 9,104
    Imagine that race without Sagan.
    Doesn't bare thinking about.


    Second that - until his attack it was looking like possibly the worst edition of MSR on record. I didn't even realise they were so close to the top of the Poggio because there had been so little action I assumed there must still be more to come.

    For me it was disappointing Nibali has finally accepted he has no chance - if long range attacks never even look like succeeding then nobody will try and the race will be that much poorer as a result. I don't know what the answer is but they can't rely on Sagan to make the race every year.
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  • rick_chasey
    rick_chasey Posts: 75,661
    edited March 2017
    If Gilbert can knock out a 4 minute box hill (same height, length and steepness as the Poggio), Gilbert can knock out a proper attack that gives him a touch & go advantage over the top.

    If he stopped playing silly buggers.
  • RichN95.
    RichN95. Posts: 27,253
    NorvernRob wrote:
    AK_jnr wrote:
    The Kwiato bashing on the comments on various cycling news pages is ridiculous. This was literally no different to the thousands of breakaway finishes that have gone before it, but because its Sagan people lose their minds.

    I was going to post pretty much the same thing. The world is full of idiots, apparently Kwia is a 'wheelsucker' (have these people never seen Valverde race :lol: )

    One of the articles even states that Alaphillipe did turns on the front while Kwia sat in! :roll:
    I'm not entirely sure where they are meant to be doing their turns at the front. The descent of the Poggio ends only 2.2km from the finish. There's only about a 1-1.5 kilometres where riders can contribute.
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  • rick_chasey
    rick_chasey Posts: 75,661
    https://twitter.com/TeamSky/status/843196820004229121

    Kiwa getting stuck into the Dommy P.