Brailsford to be asked to resign!!

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  • ugo.santalucia
    ugo.santalucia Posts: 28,310
    Captain Fagor wrote:
    ugo.santalucia wrote:
    He doesn't look like a nice person, why should he be one?

    I very much believe in physiongnomics... you see David Attemborough and you want to give him your belongings to look after, you see DB and you check if you still have your wallet...

    If he looks like a crook... chances are he might well be a crook...

    That's an interesting theory, but before I implement it in life in general, I am curious to know whether it applies equally to men and women. I suspect that the women I'd like to give my belongings to are also most likely to take my wallet!!

    I haven't read much of this thread at all, but IMHO the UK is FUBAR if Brailsford is asked to resign.

    Well it is, isn't it? First Brexit, then the political backstabbing that characterised the summer of 2016... then the Lottery funding denied to sports that have done well in Rio, effectively putting successful people out of their jobs... then the parliament getting involved in alleged doping issues... of all bodies... the Parliament... really?

    As a nation, Britain would appear to be severely FU
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  • bobmcstuff
    bobmcstuff Posts: 11,435
    Yeah, not sure casting Brailsford's possible resignation as the straw that breaks the camel's back is entirely accurate...

    Apart from anything else, just look at what happens to football managers in the Premier League... Sacked for much less than this! (although, no doping there obviously).
  • dish_dash
    dish_dash Posts: 5,647
    That's the problem though isn't it? This is a media driven story, with a lot of journos more used to covering football. So they think nothing of a managerial sacking. But that's not how cycling works and for all its ups and down most team managers (and regardless of what that chap in the shane stokes interview says) in cycling have been around for the long haul.

    I do wonder what some of the culture was like in Sir Alex's ManU. Once he didn't like you, you were out regardless of performance.
  • rick_chasey
    rick_chasey Posts: 75,661
    dish_dash wrote:
    That's the problem though isn't it? This is a media driven story, with a lot of journos more used to covering football. So they think nothing of a managerial sacking. But that's not how cycling works and for all its ups and down most team managers (and regardless of what that chap in the shane stokes interview says) in cycling have been around for the long haul.

    I do wonder what some of the culture was like in Sir Alex's ManU. Once he didn't like you, you were out regardless of performance.

    Teams can win without star players in football, if the teamwork is good enough.

    Not the case in a bike race.
    _
  • RichN95.
    RichN95. Posts: 27,252
    Rick Chasey wrote:
    dish_dash wrote:
    That's the problem though isn't it? This is a media driven story, with a lot of journos more used to covering football. So they think nothing of a managerial sacking. But that's not how cycling works and for all its ups and down most team managers (and regardless of what that chap in the shane stokes interview says) in cycling have been around for the long haul.

    I do wonder what some of the culture was like in Sir Alex's ManU. Once he didn't like you, you were out regardless of performance.

    Teams can win without star players in football, if the teamwork is good enough.

    Not the case in a bike race.
    Star players get replaced though. In both football and cycling
    Twitter: @RichN95
  • pedro118118
    pedro118118 Posts: 1,102
    bobmcstuff wrote:
    Yeah, not sure casting Brailsford's possible resignation as the straw that breaks the camel's back is entirely accurate...

    Apart from anything else, just look at what happens to football managers in the Premier League... Sacked for much less than this! (although, no doping there obviously).

    Really? I'm not so sure. Football managers get sacked for losing football games. And are amply compensated. I cannot recall a single football manager sacked for gross misconduct and having their contract severed. I may, of course, be wrong on that. There's the odd occasional 'scandal', but that tends to be focussed on England, where the tabloids have a voracious appetite for destruction, bordering on pathelogical. For example, why are we (and Lawton et al) calling for the heads of Mssrs Guardiola and Howe as result of them brazenly ignoring the whereabouts rules on doping? I think the comparison with Sir Alex F is an interesting one. His mentality was all about winning and creating the best possible environment to give him and his team the best possible chance of winning. That didn't usually extend to mollycoddling his players. Or wider staff. Yes, he built an empire from the ground up, but largely because he saw that as helping him continue to win and maintain control over winning.
  • carbonclem
    carbonclem Posts: 1,783
    dish_dash wrote:
    I do wonder what some of the culture was like in Sir Alex's ManU. Once he didn't like you, you were out regardless of performance.

    Wasn't there a quote, where SDB had had a meeting with Fergie, to brainstorm/network, and had asked him about getting rid of older, or less effective staff. 'Just sack the c**ts' was Fergies advice, as I recall.
    2020/2021/2022 Metric Century Challenge Winner
  • rick_chasey
    rick_chasey Posts: 75,661
    RichN95 wrote:
    Rick Chasey wrote:
    dish_dash wrote:
    That's the problem though isn't it? This is a media driven story, with a lot of journos more used to covering football. So they think nothing of a managerial sacking. But that's not how cycling works and for all its ups and down most team managers (and regardless of what that chap in the shane stokes interview says) in cycling have been around for the long haul.

    I do wonder what some of the culture was like in Sir Alex's ManU. Once he didn't like you, you were out regardless of performance.

    Teams can win without star players in football, if the teamwork is good enough.

    Not the case in a bike race.
    Star players get replaced though. In both football and cycling

    I'd back Froome every day of the week for the next TdF, and likely the one after that, regardless of team.
    _
  • RichN95.
    RichN95. Posts: 27,252
    pedro118118 wrote:

    Really? I'm not so sure. Football managers get sacked for losing football games. And are amply compensated. I cannot recall a single football manager sacked for gross misconduct and having their contract severed.
    Glenn Hoddle got sacked for having some unconventional views about the disabled. And George Graham and Terry Venebles got sacked for financial shadiness. But they were all back in the 90s and two where probably more motivated by clashes of personality.
    Twitter: @RichN95
  • pedro118118
    pedro118118 Posts: 1,102
    RichN95 wrote:
    pedro118118 wrote:

    Really? I'm not so sure. Football managers get sacked for losing football games. And are amply compensated. I cannot recall a single football manager sacked for gross misconduct and having their contract severed.
    Glenn Hoddle got sacked for having some unconventional views about the disabled. And George Graham and Terry Venebles got sacked for financial shadiness. But they were all back in the 90s and two where probably more motivated by clashes of personality.

    Fair enough. But the concept of 'getting sacked' in football is not a conventional one. It is more about paying off an under-performing Manager in order to make way for a replacement. There's plenty of evidence (both real and anecdotal) of financial shadiness, but the public really doesn't care. Personally, I thought it was absurd that Hoddle was sacked. Both Graham and Venables were well past their sell-by date by the time they were jettisoned. I dare say they would still be in their respective jobs now, had they continued to win big trophies year-on-year.
  • surrey_commuter
    surrey_commuter Posts: 18,867
    RichN95 wrote:
    pedro118118 wrote:

    Really? I'm not so sure. Football managers get sacked for losing football games. And are amply compensated. I cannot recall a single football manager sacked for gross misconduct and having their contract severed.
    Glenn Hoddle got sacked for having some unconventional views about the disabled. And George Graham and Terry Venebles got sacked for financial shadiness. But they were all back in the 90s and two where probably more motivated by clashes of personality.

    Sam Allardyce sacked by England for being Sam Allardyce
    Dave Jones scked by Southampton for being a paedo when he wasn't
    Rob Scott of Grimsby Town for Gross misconduct
    Ronnie Moore of Tranmere for gambling
    Gus Poyet of Brighton for gross misconduct
    Tony Pulis of Gillingham for gross misconduct
  • pedro118118
    pedro118118 Posts: 1,102
    pedro118118 wrote:
    RichN95 wrote:
    pedro118118 wrote:

    Really? I'm not so sure. Football managers get sacked for losing football games. And are amply compensated. I cannot recall a single football manager sacked for gross misconduct and having their contract severed.
    Glenn Hoddle got sacked for having some unconventional views about the disabled. And George Graham and Terry Venebles got sacked for financial shadiness. But they were all back in the 90s and two where probably more motivated by clashes of personality.

    Fair enough. But the concept of 'getting sacked' in football is not a conventional one. It is more about paying off an under-performing Manager in order to make way for a replacement. There's plenty of evidence (both real and anecdotal) of financial shadiness, but the public really doesn't care. Personally, I thought it was absurd that Hoddle was sacked. Both Graham and Venables were well past their sell-by date by the time they were jettisoned. I dare say they would still be in their respective jobs now, had they continued to win big trophies year-on-year.

    I suppose I'm trying to get my head around a scenario, where a Premiership Manager would be forced out, despite the fact that they won the Premiership, FA Cup and Champions League every year?! It would take a scandal 50 x that BC/Sky are facing, before any tabloid, Chairman, owner or fan would even consider it.
  • yorkshireraw
    yorkshireraw Posts: 1,632
    pedro118118 wrote:
    RichN95 wrote:
    pedro118118 wrote:

    Really? I'm not so sure. Football managers get sacked for losing football games. And are amply compensated. I cannot recall a single football manager sacked for gross misconduct and having their contract severed.
    Glenn Hoddle got sacked for having some unconventional views about the disabled. And George Graham and Terry Venebles got sacked for financial shadiness. But they were all back in the 90s and two where probably more motivated by clashes of personality.

    Fair enough. But the concept of 'getting sacked' in football is not a conventional one. It is more about paying off an under-performing Manager in order to make way for a replacement. There's plenty of evidence (both real and anecdotal) of financial shadiness, but the public really doesn't care. Personally, I thought it was absurd that Hoddle was sacked. Both Graham and Venables were well past their sell-by date by the time they were jettisoned. I dare say they would still be in their respective jobs now, had they continued to win big trophies year-on-year.

    Venables never won trophies, big or otherwise, year-on-year. His whole reputation is based on his mates in the media bigging him up. His Euro 96 record, once the rose-tinted glasses are removed, was 2 victories (1 over a Dutch team in complete disarray) and 3 draws - and the 1 against Spain was down to a seemingly legit goal for Spain being disallowed. All in home games.

    Both Graham and Venables went on to manage Leeds - Graham did a decent shoring up job, albeit making Leeds the 0-0 specialists and lowest scoring team in 96-97 (and still finishing 11th), before legging it to Spurs for the £££. Venables was an utter shambles - continuing to write his tabloid column during his tenure, and even slagging his own players in print.
  • bobmcstuff
    bobmcstuff Posts: 11,435
    pedro118118 wrote:
    pedro118118 wrote:
    RichN95 wrote:
    pedro118118 wrote:

    Really? I'm not so sure. Football managers get sacked for losing football games. And are amply compensated. I cannot recall a single football manager sacked for gross misconduct and having their contract severed.
    Glenn Hoddle got sacked for having some unconventional views about the disabled. And George Graham and Terry Venebles got sacked for financial shadiness. But they were all back in the 90s and two where probably more motivated by clashes of personality.

    Fair enough. But the concept of 'getting sacked' in football is not a conventional one. It is more about paying off an under-performing Manager in order to make way for a replacement. There's plenty of evidence (both real and anecdotal) of financial shadiness, but the public really doesn't care. Personally, I thought it was absurd that Hoddle was sacked. Both Graham and Venables were well past their sell-by date by the time they were jettisoned. I dare say they would still be in their respective jobs now, had they continued to win big trophies year-on-year.

    I suppose I'm trying to get my head around a scenario, where a Premiership Manager would be forced out, despite the fact that they won the Premiership, FA Cup and Champions League every year?! It would take a scandal 50 x that BC/Sky are facing, before any tabloid, Chairman, owner or fan would even consider it.

    It's not about paying off an under-performing manager in the majority of cases - it's about caving to pressure from fans and media. Managers in football can find themselves sacked after very short losing runs which are more than likely due to chance; one of the biggest problems is that they're unrealistically expected to produce immediate results (that and the fact people seem to think football managers have an almost supernatural ability to produce results). Same goes for film directors, fund managers, politicians etc etc.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Drunkard's_Walk

    Ranieri was sacked not that longafter his side won the PL... I'd go so far as to say Leicester's performance this season is 100% a result of regression to the mean rather than any failure on Ranieri's part.
  • DeVlaeminck
    DeVlaeminck Posts: 9,103
    Do fans and the media get managers sacked these days ? Maybe the odd one and there are usually some fans unhappy when a team aren't doing well but these days the board seem to act long before the calls from the terraces for a manager to go are deafening.
    [Castle Donington Ladies FC - going up in '22]
  • carbonclem
    carbonclem Posts: 1,783
    No great suprises here, but seems relevant to post

    http://www.cyclingnews.com/news/dave-br ... -team-sky/

    Glad to see this stance, personally.
    2020/2021/2022 Metric Century Challenge Winner
  • tim000
    tim000 Posts: 718
    CarbonClem wrote:
    No great suprises here, but seems relevant to post

    http://www.cyclingnews.com/news/dave-br ... -team-sky/

    Glad to see this stance, personally.
    me too
  • Pross
    Pross Posts: 43,461
    Surrey Commuter wrote:
    RichN95 wrote:
    pedro118118 wrote:

    Really? I'm not so sure. Football managers get sacked for losing football games. And are amply compensated. I cannot recall a single football manager sacked for gross misconduct and having their contract severed.
    Glenn Hoddle got sacked for having some unconventional views about the disabled. And George Graham and Terry Venebles got sacked for financial shadiness. But they were all back in the 90s and two where probably more motivated by clashes of personality.

    Sam Allardyce sacked by England for being Sam Allardyce
    Dave Jones scked by Southampton for being a paedo when he wasn't
    Rob Scott of Grimsby Town for Gross misconduct
    Ronnie Moore of Tranmere for gambling
    Gus Poyet of Brighton for gross misconduct
    Tony Pulis of Gillingham for gross misconduct

    Malky McKay Cardiff City sacked after finally getting them into the Premiership
    Nigel Pearson Leicester City after a miraculous escape from relegation
  • smithy21
    smithy21 Posts: 2,204
    tim000 wrote:
    CarbonClem wrote:
    No great suprises here, but seems relevant to post

    http://www.cyclingnews.com/news/dave-br ... -team-sky/

    Glad to see this stance, personally.
    me too

    Standard stuff. Quit and you don't get the payoff.
  • fat daddy
    fat daddy Posts: 2,605
    Has he been asked yet ???
  • EnacheV
    EnacheV Posts: 235
    i ask 'D' to resign
  • EnacheV
    EnacheV Posts: 235
    “With respect to Dave Brailsford, he has created one of the best sports teams in the world. Without Dave B, there is no Team Sky,” said Froome in his statement.

    “He has supported me throughout the last seven years of my career and I couldn’t be more grateful for the opportunities and the experiences I’ve had. By his own admission, mistakes have been made, but protocols have been put in place to ensure that those same mistakes will not be made again.”“It disappoints me hugely to see the way in which Team Sky has been portrayed by the media recently. It does not reflect the support crew and the riders that I see around me,” he said.

    “At the same time, I completely understand why people feel let down by the way in which the situation has been handled, and going forward we need to do better. I would like to apologise for this on behalf of myself and the other riders of Team Sky who feel passionately about our sport and winning clean. I believe in the people around me, and what we are doing.

    “I know it will take time for faith to be restored, but I will do my utmost to ensure that happens.”

    Froome is the cycling Jesus , taking the burden on his shoulders.

    On topic, there will be no resignation. Like ever. As long team Sky exists.

    Dave B is team Sky. Got that?
  • rick_chasey
    rick_chasey Posts: 75,661
    EnacheV wrote:
    i ask 'D' to resign

    I suspect these type of posts are designed to falsely reduce the sky post/other post ratio, which was last measured a day or so ago at 0.28.

    The testers are on to you!
    _
  • salsiccia1
    salsiccia1 Posts: 3,725
    EnacheV wrote:
    Froome is the cycling Jesus , taking the burden on his shoulders.

    I like Froome very much but with all due respect, that's laughable
    It's only a bit of sport, Mun. Relax and enjoy the racing.
  • EnacheV
    EnacheV Posts: 235
    Salsiccia1 wrote:
    EnacheV wrote:
    Froome is the cycling Jesus , taking the burden on his shoulders.

    I like Froome very much but with all due respect, that's laughable

    then my intention achieved the desired result :lol:
  • salsiccia1
    salsiccia1 Posts: 3,725
    Salsiccia1 wrote:
    EnacheV wrote:
    Froome is the cycling Jesus , taking the burden on his shoulders.

    I like Froome very much but with all due respect, that's laughable

    Have I had a whoosh moment? :oops:
    It's only a bit of sport, Mun. Relax and enjoy the racing.
  • EnacheV
    EnacheV Posts: 235
    with Formigal no2 developing in Catalunia i can safely state that except Kwiatkowski the whole Sky team is a bad joke this season.

    maybe Braislford should be fired, like Ranieri.
  • andyp
    andyp Posts: 10,546
    EnacheV wrote:
    with Formigal no2 developing in Catalunia i can safely state that except Kwiatkowski the whole Sky team is a bad joke this season.

    maybe Braislford should be fired, like Ranieri.

    Henao won Paris-Nice. Thomas won a stage at Tirreno and finished 5th overall.
  • inseine
    inseine Posts: 5,788
    EnacheV wrote:
    with Formigal no2 developing in Catalunia i can safely state that except Kwiatkowski the whole Sky team is a bad joke this season.

    maybe Braislford should be fired, like Ranieri.
    Languishing down in the 3rd place on UCI rankings
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  • slim_boy_fat
    slim_boy_fat Posts: 1,810
    inseine wrote:
    EnacheV wrote:
    with Formigal no2 developing in Catalunia i can safely state that except Kwiatkowski the whole Sky team is a bad joke this season.

    maybe Braislford should be fired, like Ranieri.
    Languishing down in the 3rd place on UCI rankings
    According to the Cycling Podcast it's their best ever start to a season.

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