Brailsford to be asked to resign!!
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Blazing Saddles wrote:
In under 4 minutes, elsewhere.
"Science is a tool for cheaters". An anonymous French PE teacher.0 -
okgo wrote:lol at the fanboys on here.
DB needs to go, its a farce he hasn't done the right thing already. The whole thing stinks to high heaven. Shambles.
Well, you've convinced me."Science is a tool for cheaters". An anonymous French PE teacher.0 -
Two things i get from this non story - Sky will learn to keep records better, and reliability of peoples cynicism. Precisely for reasons that the lot of you with pitchforks are raging, it is very unlikely that SKY are actually doping. 'Medias' need to feed you is too great, and their money would be too big to pass up for anyone who have left Sky so far - had they witnessed any wrong doing.
I could be still wrong and will shake my head in disappointment if solid evidence ever comes out. So far there has been nothing; investigation ongoing.
This would be an atrocious way for DB to leave and be remembered by.
p.s. thanks for creating another thread like that. You know well that Bikeradar is unlikely start doing their job and moderating them straight to bin where they belong - they need clicks. If only poster energy was directed towards something constructive.0 -
Richmond Racer 2 wrote:SPaM02 wrote:BBC Sports Breaking News
http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/cycling/39198422
Only it isn't breaking news - Nothing new there. Not sure why this warrants headline status unless the BBC are about to deliver a killer blow.
Looking at the BBC's cycling page, is Dan Roan and co getting paid extra for the BC/Sky articles that they write? No mention of any actual racing other than a couple of articles on the Para Track Worlds. In the past there would have been write ups on the beginning of the Classics season, Paris Nice etc. I can only assume they have sacked their cycling reporters.
Look, BBC use the Breaking News shiz for anything these days...Sleb steps over puddle - BREAKING NEWS
True dat. It's so BREAKING it's been replaced by football already.0 -
Naughty Dish0
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It's like when my parents voted for Brexit. People have to be shut out for few weeks to think about what they have done.dish_dash wrote:RichN95 wrote:Graham McWilliam has tweeted his 100% support for Brailsford and the team. And he's the one that matters.
Still waiting for Froome's support though...Twitter: @RichN950 -
RichN95 wrote:Graham McWilliam has tweeted his 100% support for Brailsford and the team. And he's the one that matters.
That's not going to be like the kiss of death that is the full backing of the chairman and the board in soccer ball, is it?Team My Man 2018: David gaudu, Pierre Latour, Romain Bardet, Thibaut pinot, Alexandre Geniez, Florian Senechal, Warren Barguil, Benoit Cosnefroy0 -
Froome's silence is doing him a lot of good, either loving or hating Braislford seems the silence worked for him, his name doesn't appear even once in all this weeks of drama.
His thread in the clinic is 1 month ! without posts resting on 4th page or something. Ofc some nub will bump it after i post this but this is the point. Better be quiet and mind your own business it seems.0 -
There is little merit in fuelling the fire. Whatever Froome says will be twisted and re-presented to suit. Best to keep schtum until the investigation has run its course. Then react to the facts/conclusions in an informed/considered way. A weird concept for most, I appreciate...0
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So it didn't take 'thousands of hours to not discover'RichN95 wrote:Surrey Commuter wrote:RichN95 wrote:
Did it take that long? Why didn't the Daily Mail and their source co-operate?Surrey Commuter wrote:RichN95 wrote:The reporting on this has thus far been long on sensationalism and opinion and fairly short on actual fact, with no sources willing to go on record. We have got to the point that someone not tweeting is a story. At the moment it is just journalists, largely not familiar with cycling, behaving like jackals wanting a carcass.
Clarity can only come from the UKAD report. It won't satisfy all, or indeed many. But hopefully it will be soberly presented and properly investigated. There are questions to be answered, but the media are not currently providing a suitable platform, hopefully UKAD will (although I have my doubts).
With Sky and BC are being so uncooperative do you believe that UKAD are equipped to conduct this investigation. It took them thousands of hours to not discover what was in the jiffy bag.
yes according to Sapstead
http://www.standard.co.uk/sport/other-s ... 80131.html
Which bit are you quibbling with?0 -
No tA Doctor wrote:The whole Dropbox thing is actually very believable - who hasn't worked with someone that forgets to update documents on a shared drive? Especially when they're busy with everything else that's their "real" job. I bloody hate it, and it's password policy....
well no, not really it isnt, unless the version of Dropbox they use is very radically different to the one I use, I just have a Dropbox folder on my laptop, and everything I want stored on Dropbox just lives in that folder, I dont have to think about synching it, it syncs automatically everytime Im on online or a file in that folder changes, thats its whole benefit.
not that I suspect they get audited by LRQA for ISO 9001, but an auditor would look at that backup process and say your process is very nice, can see some flaws in it around check in/out & versioning of shared files, but it clearly doesnt work if you dont enforce its use, people are still using hard copies, and you even identified there was need of an assistant (knew theyd blame the intern eventually
)to help the members of your team struggling with the technology,
surely its the team leads responsibility to ensure everyone follows the process or is it just success has many fathers, but failure is an orphan.0 -
awavey wrote:No tA Doctor wrote:The whole Dropbox thing is actually very believable - who hasn't worked with someone that forgets to update documents on a shared drive? Especially when they're busy with everything else that's their "real" job. I bloody hate it, and it's password policy....
well no, not really it isnt, unless the version of Dropbox they use is very radically different to the one I use, I just have a Dropbox folder on my laptop, and everything I want stored on Dropbox just lives in that folder, I dont have to think about synching it, it syncs automatically everytime Im on online or a file in that folder changes, thats its whole benefit.
not that I suspect they get audited by LRQA for ISO 9001, but an auditor would look at that backup process and say your process is very nice, can see some flaws in it around check in/out & versioning of shared files, but it clearly doesnt work if you dont enforce its use, people are still using hard copies, and you even identified there was need of an assistant (knew theyd blame the intern eventually )to help the members of your team struggling with the technology,
surely its the team leads responsibility to ensure everyone follows the process or is it just success has many fathers, but failure is an orphan.
None of the QS staff at my previous job used our online filling system. Should the project manager have lost his job? Should the MD? Should the owner have shut the business? The modern phenomenon of the figurehead losing their job "because they should know everything that's going on" really is nonsense. It's nothing more than modern society demanding someone to blame."Unfortunately these days a lot of people don’t understand the real quality of a bike" Ernesto Colnago0 -
iainf72 wrote:Can anyone confirm, has any actual wrongdoing been uncovered? Or is it mostly bad smelling stuff but that's about it?
Sky isn't dead, it just smells funny.“New York has the haircuts, London has the trousers, but Belfast has the reason!0 -
dish_dash wrote:RichN95 wrote:Graham McWilliam has tweeted his 100% support for Brailsford and the team. And he's the one that matters.
Still waiting for Froome's support though...
On that note Rich - which is more important to you; you Froome fanboidom or your Sky fanboidom??
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bobmcstuff wrote:
Personally think they should all be sacked just for that and the awful record keeping.
Who are you, a management consultant looking for an excuse to cut costs? 0 -
awavey wrote:No tA Doctor wrote:The whole Dropbox thing is actually very believable - who hasn't worked with someone that forgets to update documents on a shared drive? Especially when they're busy with everything else that's their "real" job. I bloody hate it, and it's password policy....
well no, not really it isnt, unless the version of Dropbox they use is very radically different to the one I use, I just have a Dropbox folder on my laptop, and everything I want stored on Dropbox just lives in that folder, I dont have to think about synching it, it syncs automatically everytime Im on online or a file in that folder changes, thats its whole benefit.
not that I suspect they get audited by LRQA for ISO 9001, but an auditor would look at that backup process and say your process is very nice, can see some flaws in it around check in/out & versioning of shared files, but it clearly doesnt work if you dont enforce its use, people are still using hard copies, and you even identified there was need of an assistant (knew theyd blame the intern eventually )to help the members of your team struggling with the technology,
surely its the team leads responsibility to ensure everyone follows the process or is it just success has many fathers, but failure is an orphan.
If you've got your own system for sorting stuff out and documents from various folders need to be copied to a single Dropbox synched folder that's shared with others then you have a manual step that's going to be forgotten sometimes. Similarly, if you need to update a shared document with notes that you keep elsewhere, you've duplicated work and it will be forgotten/ignored/resented. This is all exacerbated if you frequently work offline, perhaps because you're travelling a lot. Dropbox is fairly simple and basic to use, but it's not much as a collaboration tool. And if they were only using the browser based version without the Dropbox client...
I'm sure you can build a validated process around Dropbox if you want, and yes, it's up to management to ensure the process is followed, but the process is likely to be irritating and wastefull for all but the simplest filesharing. It's also management's job to review the process, ensure it works as intended and improve where necessary.Warning No formatter is installed for the format0 -
TailWindHome wrote:iainf72 wrote:Can anyone confirm, has any actual wrongdoing been uncovered? Or is it mostly bad smelling stuff but that's about it?
Sky isn't dead, it just smells funny.
That has a whiff of truth about it."Science is a tool for cheaters". An anonymous French PE teacher.0 -
Where's this idea that I'm a management consultant come from??Rick Chasey wrote:bobmcstuff wrote:
Personally think they should all be sacked just for that and the awful record keeping.
Who are you, a management consultant looking for an excuse to cut costs?0 -
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These were the records for Wiggins, not russel downing. Surely someone should be checking the process is followed for the star of the show?0
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KingstonGraham wrote:These were the records for Wiggins, not russel downing. Surely someone should be checking the process is followed for the star of the show?
On this, less a defence of wiggins and more a point in general.
You ever worked with someone when they smell the buns?
Everything, especially record keeping, gets dropped when the buns get close.
It's only when business gets sh!t and people have enough time to be griping at each other for not updating anything on the system that the boss comes around and goes "since you're busy, sort the sh!t out of the database please".
No-one really questions the process when ya winning. Same in any organisation.0 -
Being told that using Dropbox is easy.., mums and grandmas in the 80's/90's were told much the same thing when they were made to feel stupid if they struggled to program a VHS recorder without accidentally always taping bloody Juliet Bravo (even if it hadn't been on for years).0
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Well if getting simple stuff badly wrong isn't a good reason to sack someone, I don't know what is.Rick Chasey wrote:Chat like that!0 -
awavey wrote:
Nerd stuff.No tA Doctor wrote:
My honest thought reading all that was, "Man, awavey has never been anywhere with crap internet..."We're in danger of confusing passion with incompetence
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ddraver wrote:awavey wrote:
Nerd stuff.No tA Doctor wrote:
My honest thought reading all that was, "Man, awavey has never been anywhere with crap internet..."
And it's not as if pro riders don't complain incessantly on social media about the lack of decent internet at their latest remote hotel in France.0 -
Rick Chasey wrote:KingstonGraham wrote:These were the records for Wiggins, not russel downing. Surely someone should be checking the process is followed for the star of the show?
On this, less a defence of wiggins and more a point in general.
You ever worked with someone when they smell the buns?
Everything, especially record keeping, gets dropped when the buns get close.
It's only when business gets sh!t and people have enough time to be griping at each other for not updating anything on the system that the boss comes around and goes "since you're busy, sort the sh!t out of the database please".
No-one really questions the process when ya winning. Same in any organisation.
In my experience, it depends on whether your business depends on being seen to be squeaky clean. For example, in pharmaceutical manufacturing, records get kept and processes get followed no matter what. In other industries, things can be a bit more flexible. Until something goes wrong because you took a shortcut, and someone questions why you didn't do the thing that, at the time, was less important than just getting the work done.
All I'm saying is that they obviously didn't consider being provably squeaky clean to be as important as they implied.0 -
You mean highly regulated industries.
If I don't make a record of a call I make here, it's not that I'm avoiding being 'squeaky clean'.
It's 'cos i'm being lazy.0 -
No tA Doctor wrote:awavey wrote:No tA Doctor wrote:The whole Dropbox thing is actually very believable - who hasn't worked with someone that forgets to update documents on a shared drive? Especially when they're busy with everything else that's their "real" job. I bloody hate it, and it's password policy....
well no, not really it isnt, unless the version of Dropbox they use is very radically different to the one I use, I just have a Dropbox folder on my laptop, and everything I want stored on Dropbox just lives in that folder, I dont have to think about synching it, it syncs automatically everytime Im on online or a file in that folder changes, thats its whole benefit.
not that I suspect they get audited by LRQA for ISO 9001, but an auditor would look at that backup process and say your process is very nice, can see some flaws in it around check in/out & versioning of shared files, but it clearly doesnt work if you dont enforce its use, people are still using hard copies, and you even identified there was need of an assistant (knew theyd blame the intern eventually )to help the members of your team struggling with the technology,
surely its the team leads responsibility to ensure everyone follows the process or is it just success has many fathers, but failure is an orphan.
If you've got your own system for sorting stuff out and documents from various folders need to be copied to a single Dropbox synched folder that's shared with others then you have a manual step that's going to be forgotten sometimes. Similarly, if you need to update a shared document with notes that you keep elsewhere, you've duplicated work and it will be forgotten/ignored/resented. This is all exacerbated if you frequently work offline, perhaps because you're travelling a lot. Dropbox is fairly simple and basic to use, but it's not much as a collaboration tool. And if they were only using the browser based version without the Dropbox client...
I'm sure you can build a validated process around Dropbox if you want, and yes, it's up to management to ensure the process is followed, but the process is likely to be irritating and wastefull for all but the simplest filesharing. It's also management's job to review the process, ensure it works as intended and improve where necessary.
This and none would be checking if said person has updated said records while in the middle of a tour. Then the next tour starts and it's forgotten very easily. The same with duplicating manual records and updating different sources things get left out and corners cut.0
