Brailsford to be asked to resign!!

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  • okgo
    okgo Posts: 4,368
    Blazing Saddles wrote:
    okgo wrote:
    lol at the fanboys on here.

    DB needs to go, its a farce he hasn't done the right thing already. The whole thing stinks to high heaven. Shambles.

    Well, you've convinced me.

    Wait, you think its all legit?

    Actual lol. I wonder who the people are that reply to email scams, and doorstep home improvements, this sort of thing goes to show me there are people out there who need to be looked after.
    Blog on my first and now second season of proper riding/racing - www.firstseasonracing.com
  • kingstongraham
    kingstongraham Posts: 28,119
    Rick Chasey wrote:
    You mean highly regulated industries.

    If I don't make a record of a call I make here, it's not that I'm avoiding being 'squeaky clean'.

    It's 'cos i'm being lazy.

    Quite - and that's the level they seem to have set themselves at.
  • rick_chasey
    rick_chasey Posts: 75,661
    KingstonGraham wrote:
    Rick Chasey wrote:
    You mean highly regulated industries.

    If I don't make a record of a call I make here, it's not that I'm avoiding being 'squeaky clean'.

    It's 'cos i'm being lazy.

    Quite - and that's the level they seem to have set themselves at.

    Hang on.

    Are there regulations around record keeping in cycling teams?
    _
  • kingstongraham
    kingstongraham Posts: 28,119
    Rick Chasey wrote:
    KingstonGraham wrote:
    Rick Chasey wrote:
    You mean highly regulated industries.

    If I don't make a record of a call I make here, it's not that I'm avoiding being 'squeaky clean'.

    It's 'cos i'm being lazy.

    Quite - and that's the level they seem to have set themselves at.

    Hang on.

    Are there regulations around record keeping in cycling teams?

    You're missing my point. If they wanted to be provably and transparently 100% clean (as they implied was their mission), they would have put some effort into record keeping. This doesn't mean that they didn't want to be clean.

    To my view, the fact that these records are missing rather than falsified means that the team as a whole did want to be clean.
  • andyp
    andyp Posts: 10,547
    It's like PR has passed by a huge portion of the population. The maxim, "judge me on what I do, not what I say" has never been more pertinent.
  • kingstongraham
    kingstongraham Posts: 28,119
    andyp wrote:
    It's like PR has passed by a huge portion of the population. The maxim, "judge me on what I do, not what I say" has never been more pertinent.

    This is all great PR. "I know what we said before turned out to be a load of nonsense, but you can trust us."
  • yorkshireraw
    yorkshireraw Posts: 1,632
    Any time people are involved in a process there's the potential the process is subverted or ignored.

    Freeman was presumably hired on the basis of his medical training & experience - I doubt he was asked at interview about how tech-savvy he was.
  • blazing_saddles
    blazing_saddles Posts: 22,725
    okgo wrote:
    Blazing Saddles wrote:
    okgo wrote:
    lol at the fanboys on here.

    DB needs to go, its a farce he hasn't done the right thing already. The whole thing stinks to high heaven. Shambles.

    Well, you've convinced me.

    Wait, you think its all legit?

    Actual lol. I wonder who the people are that reply to email scams, and doorstep home improvements, this sort of thing goes to show me there are people out there who need to be looked after.

    You seem to think you are an expert in reading between the lines, but you are not.
    Just making the point that insulting individuals or groups without attempting to engage in debate shows a lack of critical thinking. (© wcf 2016)
    "Science is a tool for cheaters". An anonymous French PE teacher.
  • pedro118118
    pedro118118 Posts: 1,102
    Blazing Saddles wrote:
    okgo wrote:
    Blazing Saddles wrote:
    okgo wrote:
    lol at the fanboys on here.

    DB needs to go, its a farce he hasn't done the right thing already. The whole thing stinks to high heaven. Shambles.

    Well, you've convinced me.

    Wait, you think its all legit?

    Actual lol. I wonder who the people are that reply to email scams, and doorstep home improvements, this sort of thing goes to show me there are people out there who need to be looked after.

    You seem to think you are an expert in reading between the lines, but you are not.
    Just making the point that insulting individuals or groups without attempting to engage in debate shows a lack of critical thinking. (© wcf 2016)

    Shut up. Just shut up. You had me at "Actual lol"......
  • awavey
    awavey Posts: 2,368
    ddraver wrote:
    awavey wrote:
    No tA Doctor wrote:
    Nerd stuff.

    My honest thought reading all that was, "Man, awavey has never been anywhere with crap internet..."

    well I use Sky broadband...I guess they dont
  • awavey
    awavey Posts: 2,368
    gsk82 wrote:
    None of the QS staff at my previous job used our online filling system. Should the project manager have lost his job? Should the MD? Should the owner have shut the business? The modern phenomenon of the figurehead losing their job "because they should know everything that's going on" really is nonsense. It's nothing more than modern society demanding someone to blame.

    no but the figurehead and their direct reports, do bear some of the responsibility though, thats the point, you cant divert all the blame just on a employee gone rogue for not following a process if the management were well aware that process wasnt working or being followed properly, and had actually provided on the job training and assistants to help out, and it was still going wrong

    we arent talking about an inventory of bike bits where there were a few gaps and the odd item unnaccounted for, these were medical record updates, which on a scale of 1 to 10 are very near the top end of data you absolutely dont muck around with.

    I wouldnt even have said blaming the complexity of the tool is adequate excuse either, it may or may not have been difficult to use, and you ought to try Microsoft Sharepoint if you want faffing aroung with a web interface for collaborative sharing of documents, but there are other tools, plenty of them.
  • jimmythecuckoo
    jimmythecuckoo Posts: 4,718
    Looking through the Cyclingnews stuff there seems to be a number of posters in their comments thread underneath using similar wording and language to some of the posters in this thread...


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  • bobmcstuff
    bobmcstuff Posts: 11,435
    awavey wrote:
    gsk82 wrote:
    None of the QS staff at my previous job used our online filling system. Should the project manager have lost his job? Should the MD? Should the owner have shut the business? The modern phenomenon of the figurehead losing their job "because they should know everything that's going on" really is nonsense. It's nothing more than modern society demanding someone to blame.

    no but the figurehead and their direct reports, do bear some of the responsibility though, thats the point, you cant divert all the blame just on a employee gone rogue for not following a process if the management were well aware that process wasnt working or being followed properly, and had actually provided on the job training and assistants to help out, and it was still going wrong

    we arent talking about an inventory of bike bits where there were a few gaps and the odd item unnaccounted for, these were medical record updates, which on a scale of 1 to 10 are very near the top end of data you absolutely dont muck around with.

    I wouldnt even have said blaming the complexity of the tool is adequate excuse either, it may or may not have been difficult to use, and you ought to try Microsoft Sharepoint if you want faffing aroung with a web interface for collaborative sharing of documents, but there are other tools, plenty of them.

    Exactly - it's not about "they should have known what was going on" - they're responsible for the organisation.

    At risk of getting accused of being a management consultant again (:D) management sets the culture, and if management sets a culture where cutting corners is acceptable, or turns a blind eye to weak processes, then yes, they should take the blame (doesn't always happen though - look at VW, they seem to have been able to show that the wrongdoing was focussed and a small set of engineers and the top brass haven't had to go).

    DB's stories here don't add up, last year he was saying he didn't know what kenacort was and now he's saying he was treated with it for a knee issue.
  • rick_chasey
    rick_chasey Posts: 75,661
    bobmcstuff wrote:

    At risk of getting accused of being a management consultant again (:D) management sets the culture, and if management sets a culture where cutting corners is acceptable, or turns a blind eye to weak processes, then yes, they should take the blame (doesn't always happen though - look at VW, they seem to have been able to show that the wrongdoing was focussed and a small set of engineers and the top brass haven't had to go).

    You clearly have a calling bob.

    Just give in to it.
    _
  • ugo.santalucia
    ugo.santalucia Posts: 28,311
    He doesn't look like a nice person, why should he be one?

    I very much believe in physiongnomics... you see David Attemborough and you want to give him your belongings to look after, you see DB and you check if you still have your wallet...

    If he looks like a crook... chances are he might well be a crook...
    left the forum March 2023
  • dish_dash
    dish_dash Posts: 5,647
    bobmcstuff wrote:
    look at VW, they seem to have been able to show that the wrongdoing was focussed and a small set of engineers and the top brass haven't had to go).

    A tangent but you did see that the CEO had to resign and he's now being investigated for being part of the fraud by German prosecutors.
    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-34340997
    https://www.ft.com/content/5a3ddc96-e48 ... 5580d6e5fb
  • pedro118118
    pedro118118 Posts: 1,102
    http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/sports ... ntage.html

    Viagra now...
    This has truly taken a turn for the bizarre.
    Putting the 'science' and (athletic) performance-enhancement claims to one side for the moment, is there not a very obvious symptom, which would be somewhat difficult to conceal in a paper-thin skin-suit??!!
    What next, I wonder..........
  • bobmcstuff
    bobmcstuff Posts: 11,435
    dish_dash wrote:
    bobmcstuff wrote:
    look at VW, they seem to have been able to show that the wrongdoing was focussed and a small set of engineers and the top brass haven't had to go).

    A tangent but you did see that the CEO had to resign and he's now being investigated for being part of the fraud by German prosecutors.
    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-34340997
    https://www.ft.com/content/5a3ddc96-e48 ... 5580d6e5fb

    No, I had missed that - I meant to do a search before posting but I'm supposed to be working and I decided I didn't have time to fact check.

    Maybe I should get the sack :lol:
  • surrey_commuter
    surrey_commuter Posts: 18,867
    awavey wrote:
    gsk82 wrote:
    None of the QS staff at my previous job used our online filling system. Should the project manager have lost his job? Should the MD? Should the owner have shut the business? The modern phenomenon of the figurehead losing their job "because they should know everything that's going on" really is nonsense. It's nothing more than modern society demanding someone to blame.

    no but the figurehead and their direct reports, do bear some of the responsibility though, thats the point, you cant divert all the blame just on a employee gone rogue for not following a process if the management were well aware that process wasnt working or being followed properly, and had actually provided on the job training and assistants to help out, and it was still going wrong

    we arent talking about an inventory of bike bits where there were a few gaps and the odd item unnaccounted for, these were medical record updates, which on a scale of 1 to 10 are very near the top end of data you absolutely dont muck around with.

    I wouldnt even have said blaming the complexity of the tool is adequate excuse either, it may or may not have been difficult to use, and you ought to try Microsoft Sharepoint if you want faffing aroung with a web interface for collaborative sharing of documents, but there are other tools, plenty of them.

    The laptop was "stolen" three years later. You would have thought he could have found somebody to help him or that his bosses would notice he had not updated anything in at least three years.
  • wombly_knees
    wombly_knees Posts: 657
    pedro118118 wrote:
    http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/sportsnews/article-4295230/Team-Sky-tried-sex-pill-Viagra-search-advantage.html

    Viagra now...
    This has truly taken a turn for the bizarre.
    Putting the 'science' and (athletic) performance-enhancement claims to one side for the moment, is there not a very obvious symptom, which would be somewhat difficult to conceal in a paper-thin skin-suit??!!
    What next, I wonder..........

    At least we now know why Froome constantly looks at his stem.
  • Richmond Racer 2
    Richmond Racer 2 Posts: 4,698
    wombly knees wrote:
    pedro118118 wrote:
    http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/sportsnews/article-4295230/Team-Sky-tried-sex-pill-Viagra-search-advantage.html

    Viagra now...
    This has truly taken a turn for the bizarre.
    Putting the 'science' and (athletic) performance-enhancement claims to one side for the moment, is there not a very obvious symptom, which would be somewhat difficult to conceal in a paper-thin skin-suit??!!
    What next, I wonder..........

    At least we now know why Froome constantly looks at his stem.


    Compliantly stiff
  • joelsim
    joelsim Posts: 7,552
    Richmond Racer 2 wrote:
    wombly knees wrote:
    pedro118118 wrote:
    http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/sportsnews/article-4295230/Team-Sky-tried-sex-pill-Viagra-search-advantage.html

    Viagra now...
    This has truly taken a turn for the bizarre.
    Putting the 'science' and (athletic) performance-enhancement claims to one side for the moment, is there not a very obvious symptom, which would be somewhat difficult to conceal in a paper-thin skin-suit??!!
    What next, I wonder..........

    At least we now know why Froome constantly looks at his stem.


    Compliantly stiff

    Just waiting to be shafted.
  • rick_chasey
    rick_chasey Posts: 75,661
    pedro118118 wrote:
    Putting the 'science' and (athletic) performance-enhancement claims to one side for the moment, is there not a very obvious symptom, which would be somewhat difficult to conceal in a paper-thin skin-suit??!!

    You can't see the wood through the trees ;)
    _
  • EnacheV
    EnacheV Posts: 235
    good for them

    leave no stone unturned :D
  • Pross
    Pross Posts: 43,462
    The title of this thread amuses me 'to be asked to resign' what if he says no? If his bosses think he has done something wrong sack him, if not why 'ask' him to resign?
  • rick_chasey
    rick_chasey Posts: 75,661
    Pross wrote:
    The title of this thread amuses me 'to be asked to resign' what if he says no? If his bosses think he has done something wrong sack him, if not why 'ask' him to resign?

    Don't have to pay redundancy innit.
    _
  • RichN95.
    RichN95. Posts: 27,253
    I've just been listening to the podcast version of Radio 5 Show with Andrew Flintoff & Robbie Savage, and Flintoff tells a very funny story about taking Viagra in the evening during a test match.
    Twitter: @RichN95
  • wombly_knees
    wombly_knees Posts: 657
    Iirc, he took 2 or 3 overnight and hopped around to get run out. Must have been boffing a camel or something.

    Edit- think this came not too long after Beefy whipped out his meat on twitter, thus ending any comparisons between Botham and Flintoff.
  • tim000
    tim000 Posts: 718
    must have been expecting stiff competition
  • Captain Fagor
    Captain Fagor Posts: 739
    ugo.santalucia wrote:
    He doesn't look like a nice person, why should he be one?

    I very much believe in physiongnomics... you see David Attemborough and you want to give him your belongings to look after, you see DB and you check if you still have your wallet...

    If he looks like a crook... chances are he might well be a crook...

    That's an interesting theory, but before I implement it in life in general, I am curious to know whether it applies equally to men and women. I suspect that the women I'd like to give my belongings to are also most likely to take my wallet!!

    I haven't read much of this thread at all, but IMHO the UK is FUBAR if Brailsford is asked to resign.

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