Brailsford to be asked to resign!!

salsiccia1

Don't you just love it. I know something you don't ner-ner-ne-ner-ner.

Either come out with it or f*** off.

Rodrego Hernandez

DavesNotHere wrote:

Rodrego Hernandez wrote:

You'll have to want and see. There's a whole load more to come out that will bring Brailsford down if he hasn't gone already and will take Froome out too.

Rodrego, are you going to reveal to the thread that your mum's cousins fiance's dads dog goes to a dog groomer whose aunt's stepson was dating a girl whose mum's friend used to clean the toilets at Dave Brailsford's niece's schoolteacher's house?

ergo a clean inside source of information?

OK then, these sources that you guys are mocking have so far revealed and been right about;
The existence of the dodgy jiffy bag
The contents of the dodgy jiffy bag
The abuse of tramadol
The abuse of TUEs
The abuse of cortisone
Dave Bs use of cortisone
Other staffs use of cortisone
Other information yet to be made public.

Are you guys the same type of people who are 'sick of experts' telling people things. Does it matter who gave the information? It is proving to be correct, over and over again!

slowmart

I'm always amazed by the so called "inside knowledge" of some members of this forum.






I mean we have a national press who love scandal and they've turned nothing up or of any substance but some anonymous poster knows sooooo much but they can't share.



Sounds like trumptard is a medical condition which symptoms reveal themselves as spouting self important BS while offering no facts at the expense of someone's reputation.

salsiccia1

This is my truth, tell me yours.

EnacheV

Rodrego Hernandez wrote:

DavesNotHere wrote:

Rodrego Hernandez wrote:

You'll have to want and see. There's a whole load more to come out that will bring Brailsford down if he hasn't gone already and will take Froome out too.

Rodrego, are you going to reveal to the thread that your mum's cousins fiance's dads dog goes to a dog groomer whose aunt's stepson was dating a girl whose mum's friend used to clean the toilets at Dave Brailsford's niece's schoolteacher's house?

ergo a clean inside source of information?

OK then, these sources that you guys are mocking have so far revealed and been right about;
The existence of the dodgy jiffy bag
The contents of the dodgy jiffy bag
The abuse of tramadol
The abuse of TUEs
The abuse of cortisone
Dave Bs use of cortisone
Other staffs use of cortisone
Other information yet to be made public.

Are you guys the same type of people who are 'sick of experts' telling people things. Does it matter who gave the information? It is proving to be correct, over and over again!

rodrigo,

nothing of the things above is ground for a suspension, everyhting will go on just fine

only armstrong is stupid enough to go to Opreah and confess

Rodrego Hernandez

EnacheV wrote:

Rodrego Hernandez wrote:

DavesNotHere wrote:

Rodrego Hernandez wrote:

You'll have to want and see. There's a whole load more to come out that will bring Brailsford down if he hasn't gone already and will take Froome out too.

Rodrego, are you going to reveal to the thread that your mum's cousins fiance's dads dog goes to a dog groomer whose aunt's stepson was dating a girl whose mum's friend used to clean the toilets at Dave Brailsford's niece's schoolteacher's house?

ergo a clean inside source of information?

OK then, these sources that you guys are mocking have so far revealed and been right about;
The existence of the dodgy jiffy bag
The contents of the dodgy jiffy bag
The abuse of tramadol
The abuse of TUEs
The abuse of cortisone
Dave Bs use of cortisone
Other staffs use of cortisone
Other information yet to be made public.

Are you guys the same type of people who are 'sick of experts' telling people things. Does it matter who gave the information? It is proving to be correct, over and over again!

rodrigo,

nothing of the things above is ground for a suspension, everyhting will go on just fine

only armstrong is stupid enough to go to Opreah and confess

Might be worth taking your head out and looking in a rule book.

Let's just wait and see what happens over the next few weeks.

blazing_saddles

Rodrego Hernandez wrote:

Might be worth taking your head out and looking in a rule book.

Let's just wait and see what happens over the next few weeks.

Given your other "source" predictions, instead of the personal attack, why not just come out and say which rule or rules breach will lead to a sanction?


Been reading this thread with interest this morning.
Think my earlier post has been proven correct.

salsiccia1

Rodrego Hernandez wrote:

Let's just wait and see what happens over the next few weeks.

How very sensible.

Rodrego Hernandez

Blazing Saddles wrote:

Rodrego Hernandez wrote:

Might be worth taking your head out and looking in a rule book.

Let's just wait and see what happens over the next few weeks.

Given your other "source" predictions, instead of the personal attack, why not just come out and say which rule or rules breach will lead to a sanction?


Been reading this thread with interest this morning.
Think my earlier post has been proven correct.

Abuse of the TUEs & cortisone usage are a starter for 10. If the doc tells all, there will be more to come.

There's more too but lets not spoil the surprise.

bompington

sighs.

Do you know what gets me about all this?

It's not whether or not a sports team has been pushing the boundaries of the rules, or even actively cheating. If they have been - I'll be saddened but in the end it's the same old story, and it's only sport.

It's the fact that grown men (presumably) are practically wetting their pants in delighted anticipation of their pet hate being brought down.

I don't detect any sign of the motive being respect for the purity of the sport, so what is it?

Richmond Racer 2

bompington wrote:

sighs.

Do you know what gets me about all this?

It's not whether or not a sports team has been pushing the boundaries of the rules, or even actively cheating. If they have been - I'll be saddened but in the end it's the same old story, and it's only sport.

It's the fact that grown men (presumably) are practically wetting their pants in delighted anticipation of their pet hate being brought down.

I don't detect any sign of the motive being respect for the purity of the sport, so what is it?

There's a run on Tena Pads by a lot of males, for sure


EDIT: Maxi Tena pads, by the look of some of them

EnacheV

Rodrego Hernandez wrote:

Abuse of the TUEs & cortisone usage are a starter for 10. If the doc tells all, there will be more to come.

There's more too but lets not spoil the surprise.

well

if the "more" is the same science fiction that starts with "sources within team sky told me ..." than please come faster, i need a good laugh every day

RichN95.

Rodrego Hernandez wrote:

Abuse of the TUEs & cortisone usage are a starter for 10. If the doc tells all, there will be more to come.

There's more too but lets not spoil the surprise.

Why does the doc need to talk? Why don't you do it I you know all that he knows

If you to be seen as an informed inside source it's done in one of two ways. Either let some people know who you are or, more usually, make provide information that turns out to be true. Here's a great chance to do that - the latter option.

mfin

Rodrego, on one hand you seem so eager and excited about the information you seem to know that will come out, but you won't say what it is or where it is from. How odd, when you could be the source to reveal more things here, and you seem to hold the sources you seem to have so highly, surely you'd love to tell us and join their exalted company.

Of course, you don't really know anything, you just are hedging your bets in complete vagueness and then expect to be able to say "told you so" when you've told nothing.

Oh well, we can't all be so wonderfully informed can we.

surrey_commuter

RichN95 wrote:

Rodrego Hernandez wrote:

Abuse of the TUEs & cortisone usage are a starter for 10. If the doc tells all, there will be more to come.

There's more too but lets not spoil the surprise.

Why does the doc need to talk? Why don't you do it I you know all that he knows

If you to be seen as an informed inside source it's done in one of two ways. Either let some people know who you are or, more usually, make provide information that turns out to be true. Here's a great chance to do that - the latter option.

The Doc is already too far under the bus. Steve Peters quotes are screaming that he did not trust him. Somebody else told him it had arrived and then he got the supplier to confirm in writing that it was sent in error and had been returned.

Dr Steve Peters, then head of medicine at British Cycling, told the Sunday Times: "I was with a colleague when the order arrived and it was immediately brought to our attention.

"Dr Freeman, who was responsible for ordering medical supplies, explained that the order had never been placed and so must have been sent in error.

"He contacted the supplier by phone the same day and they confirmed this. I asked Dr Freeman to repack and return it to the supplier, and to make sure they provided written confirmation that it was sent in error and had been received.

"That confirmation arrived and was shown to me by Dr Freeman. I was satisfied that this was simply an administrative error and it wasn't necessary to escalate it further."

kingstongraham

Rodrego Hernandez wrote:

OK then, these sources that you guys are mocking have so far revealed and been right about;
The existence of the dodgy jiffy bag
The contents of the dodgy jiffy bag
The abuse of tramadol
The abuse of TUEs
The abuse of cortisone
Dave Bs use of cortisone
Other staffs use of cortisone
Other information yet to be made public.

Are you guys the same type of people who are 'sick of experts' telling people things. Does it matter who gave the information? It is proving to be correct, over and over again!

If "they" have been proved right about what was in the jiffy bag, what was in the jiffy bag?

blazing_saddles

Surrey Commuter wrote:

The Doc is already too far under the bus. Steve Peters quotes are screaming that he did not trust him. Somebody else told him it had arrived and then he got the supplier to confirm in writing that it was sent in error and had been returned.

Dr Steve Peters, then head of medicine at British Cycling, told the Sunday Times: "I was with a colleague when the order arrived and it was immediately brought to our attention.

"Dr Freeman, who was responsible for ordering medical supplies, explained that the order had never been placed and so must have been sent in error.

"He contacted the supplier by phone the same day and they confirmed this. I asked Dr Freeman to repack and return it to the supplier, and to make sure they provided written confirmation that it was sent in error and had been received.

"That confirmation arrived and was shown to me by Dr Freeman. I was satisfied that this was simply an administrative error and it wasn't necessary to escalate it further."

Here is a case in point.
When this story broke, many folks simply read "testosterone patches" and immediately believed the worst.
The fact that the story went on to explain in more detail was ignored.
Why? Because Sky have previously been evasive, selective or the sceptic's favourite, implausible. etc etc etc.
OK, fair enough, if it was only Dr P.
But, this time, several papers were able to get corroboration from other sources of the explanation and said so in print.
Result? Still ignored.

I guess there are sources and then there are sources......

surrey_commuter

Blazing Saddles wrote:

Surrey Commuter wrote:

The Doc is already too far under the bus. Steve Peters quotes are screaming that he did not trust him. Somebody else told him it had arrived and then he got the supplier to confirm in writing that it was sent in error and had been returned.

Dr Steve Peters, then head of medicine at British Cycling, told the Sunday Times: "I was with a colleague when the order arrived and it was immediately brought to our attention.

"Dr Freeman, who was responsible for ordering medical supplies, explained that the order had never been placed and so must have been sent in error.

"He contacted the supplier by phone the same day and they confirmed this. I asked Dr Freeman to repack and return it to the supplier, and to make sure they provided written confirmation that it was sent in error and had been received.

"That confirmation arrived and was shown to me by Dr Freeman. I was satisfied that this was simply an administrative error and it wasn't necessary to escalate it further."

Here is a case in point.
When this story broke, many folks simply read "testosterone patches" and immediately believed the worst.
The fact that the story went on to explain in more detail was ignored.
Why? Because Sky have previously been evasive, selective or the sceptic's favourite, implausible. etc etc etc.
OK, fair enough, if it was only Dr P.
But, this time, several papers were able to get corroboration from other sources of the explanation and said so in print.
Result? Still ignored.

I guess there are sources and then there are sources......

Isn't that strange - I read that as Peters rumbling Freeman and then not only making him send it back but documenting the whole thing.

gsk82

mfin wrote:

Rodrego, on one hand you seem so eager and excited about the information you seem to know that will come out, but you won't say what it is or where it is from. How odd, when you could be the source to reveal more things here, and you seem to hold the sources you seem to have so highly, surely you'd love to tell us and join their exalted company.

Of course, you don't really know anything, you just are hedging your bets in complete vagueness and then expect to be able to say "told you so" when you've told nothing.

Oh well, we can't all be so wonderfully informed can we.

He doesn't want to be getting sued when the man helps cover it up.

kingstongraham

Blazing Saddles wrote:

Surrey Commuter wrote:

The Doc is already too far under the bus. Steve Peters quotes are screaming that he did not trust him. Somebody else told him it had arrived and then he got the supplier to confirm in writing that it was sent in error and had been returned.

Dr Steve Peters, then head of medicine at British Cycling, told the Sunday Times: "I was with a colleague when the order arrived and it was immediately brought to our attention.

"Dr Freeman, who was responsible for ordering medical supplies, explained that the order had never been placed and so must have been sent in error.

"He contacted the supplier by phone the same day and they confirmed this. I asked Dr Freeman to repack and return it to the supplier, and to make sure they provided written confirmation that it was sent in error and had been received.

"That confirmation arrived and was shown to me by Dr Freeman. I was satisfied that this was simply an administrative error and it wasn't necessary to escalate it further."

Here is a case in point.
When this story broke, many folks simply read "testosterone patches" and immediately believed the worst.
The fact that the story went on to explain in more detail was ignored.
Why? Because Sky have previously been evasive, selective or the sceptic's favourite, implausible. etc etc etc.
OK, fair enough, if it was only Dr P.
But, this time, several papers were able to get corroboration from other sources of the explanation and said so in print.
Result? Still ignored.

I guess there are sources and then there are sources......

This is not a case of ignoring the sources, but not really believing the explanation. The fact it just happened to be testosterone that was sent by mistake rather than something more innocuous, and added to the previous "dog ate my homework" quality of excuses. It starts to smell.

Unless someone ordered it on their behalf as a Bart Simpson style phone prank. Which is probably not beyond the realms of imagination.

joelsim

KingstonGraham wrote:

Blazing Saddles wrote:

Surrey Commuter wrote:

The Doc is already too far under the bus. Steve Peters quotes are screaming that he did not trust him. Somebody else told him it had arrived and then he got the supplier to confirm in writing that it was sent in error and had been returned.

Dr Steve Peters, then head of medicine at British Cycling, told the Sunday Times: "I was with a colleague when the order arrived and it was immediately brought to our attention.

"Dr Freeman, who was responsible for ordering medical supplies, explained that the order had never been placed and so must have been sent in error.

"He contacted the supplier by phone the same day and they confirmed this. I asked Dr Freeman to repack and return it to the supplier, and to make sure they provided written confirmation that it was sent in error and had been received.

"That confirmation arrived and was shown to me by Dr Freeman. I was satisfied that this was simply an administrative error and it wasn't necessary to escalate it further."

Here is a case in point.
When this story broke, many folks simply read "testosterone patches" and immediately believed the worst.
The fact that the story went on to explain in more detail was ignored.
Why? Because Sky have previously been evasive, selective or the sceptic's favourite, implausible. etc etc etc.
OK, fair enough, if it was only Dr P.
But, this time, several papers were able to get corroboration from other sources of the explanation and said so in print.
Result? Still ignored.

I guess there are sources and then there are sources......

This is not a case of ignoring the sources, but not really believing the explanation. The fact it just happened to be testosterone that was sent by mistake rather than something more innocuous, and added to the previous "dog ate my homework" quality of excuses. It starts to smell.

Unless someone ordered it on their behalf as a Bart Simpson style phone prank. Which is probably not beyond the realms of imagination.

Buy 60 doses of Kenalog and get 12 testo patches FREE!

Vino'sGhost

Joelsim wrote:

KingstonGraham wrote:

Blazing Saddles wrote:

Surrey Commuter wrote:

The Doc is already too far under the bus. Steve Peters quotes are screaming that he did not trust him. Somebody else told him it had arrived and then he got the supplier to confirm in writing that it was sent in error and had been returned.

Dr Steve Peters, then head of medicine at British Cycling, told the Sunday Times: "I was with a colleague when the order arrived and it was immediately brought to our attention.

"Dr Freeman, who was responsible for ordering medical supplies, explained that the order had never been placed and so must have been sent in error.

"He contacted the supplier by phone the same day and they confirmed this. I asked Dr Freeman to repack and return it to the supplier, and to make sure they provided written confirmation that it was sent in error and had been received.

"That confirmation arrived and was shown to me by Dr Freeman. I was satisfied that this was simply an administrative error and it wasn't necessary to escalate it further."

Here is a case in point.
When this story broke, many folks simply read "testosterone patches" and immediately believed the worst.
The fact that the story went on to explain in more detail was ignored.
Why? Because Sky have previously been evasive, selective or the sceptic's favourite, implausible. etc etc etc.
OK, fair enough, if it was only Dr P.
But, this time, several papers were able to get corroboration from other sources of the explanation and said so in print.
Result? Still ignored.

I guess there are sources and then there are sources......

This is not a case of ignoring the sources, but not really believing the explanation. The fact it just happened to be testosterone that was sent by mistake rather than something more innocuous, and added to the previous "dog ate my homework" quality of excuses. It starts to smell.

Unless someone ordered it on their behalf as a Bart Simpson style phone prank. Which is probably not beyond the realms of imagination.

Buy 60 doses of Kenalog and get 12 testo patches FREE!

carbonclem

bompington wrote:

sighs.

Do you know what gets me about all this?

It's not whether or not a sports team has been pushing the boundaries of the rules, or even actively cheating. If they have been - I'll be saddened but in the end it's the same old story, and it's only sport.

It's the fact that grown men (presumably) are practically wetting their pants in delighted anticipation of their pet hate being brought down.

I don't detect any sign of the motive being respect for the purity of the sport, so what is it?

I have thought this, without being a blind patriotic flag waving SkyBot, theorically if things pan out badly, Sky pull sponsorship and the team fails. In the wake no blue chip companies want to touch pro cycling with a bargepole the UK loses its home based WT team. UK riders back to the nineties in routes to 'make it'.

Does everyone sit back, rub hands and say 'job well done'. Meanwhile, Russian, Arab State and old school Euro teams continue unaffected.

vinnymarsden

bompington wrote:

sighs.

Do you know what gets me about all this?

It's not whether or not a sports team has been pushing the boundaries of the rules, or even actively cheating. If they have been - I'll be saddened but in the end it's the same old story, and it's only sport.

It's the fact that grown men (presumably) are practically wetting their pants in delighted anticipation of their pet hate being brought down.

I don't detect any sign of the motive being respect for the purity of the sport, so what is it?

Im with you B on this one...TOTALLY!!

As a nation we crave success, we put our hearts/souls behind national teams, we love the queen, we simply enjoy seeing the country represented well...BUT what happens after the wins/the accolades..the press/media seem to develop some strange agenda whereby it appears that once we have had the carnival, then it's time to reveal some dirt!
It's not a new phenomenon by any means..look at the muck raking surrounding Diana, it started soon after her death and goes on to this day, our press simply seem unable to stop themselves trying to destroy anything that appears good.
I am a BIG believer in freedom for the press, there are some VERY big totally relevant stories that have been uncovered by good, hardworking, basically honest journalists...HOWEVER, it is now 2017, news is not news unless someone tweets it, Facebooks it, actually, and I never get this, sends a "home phone clip" during the storm/gunfight, whatever..you get the picture.
We are fed our news, and we are manipulated into thinking/believing what the media want to deliver, the "NEWS" as it is reported now is throwaway sound bites, delivered as fact..and people move on so quickly all they remember/think is true, is the headline..the strap line on a webpage, the 140 characters in a tweet, and it becomes the truth.
EVERYTHING surrounding the team Sky issue has on the surface at least, been smoke/mirrors..nobody, and I will nail my colors to the mast here....NOBODY has found any genuine documentary/video/imagery proof of any of the wild allegations being bandied about, or if they have, its being held back as the ace up the sleeve!!
I for one do not condone ANY cheating in sport, but if you are going to take down/topple a team, and ruin MANY people's livelihoods then in all truth...you better be really really certain of the "facts" that you keep pushing, because I for one, and it appears Bompington thinks the same am not comfortable at all with the assassination of peoples character/achievements simply to feed the press circus.
It goes beyond whether Sir DB resigns...I started the thread, and truthfully I want him to stay, I also want him to stand up, and openly admit they have had a 4yr old in charge of their admin/press team as well, because the team have draw a lot of the heat onto themselves, but that DOES NOT make them guilty of the claims being levelled by the Daily Mail and others who appear hell bent on destroying the entire team.
If, in the next few weeks the proof is delivered then I would gladly, but with a heavy heart accept that they have behaved badly, if however on the other hand, as appears to be how it's playing out..there is no hard/concrete evidence then there needs to be a complete total apology from the Daily Mail and its other supporters for their behaviour.
I hazard a guess there will be no definitive outcome to any of the committees/panels etc etc and all that will happen is we will all slowly forget about it, and the next big scandal will develop and the DM will move along to destroy the next person who falls into their sights, to fuel the need for "news" in the modern era!
Thats it...my soapbox is well and truly away now....I just had to vent...I think I had far too much caffeine too early!!!

bobmcstuff

KingstonGraham wrote:

This is not a case of ignoring the sources, but not really believing the explanation. The fact it just happened to be testosterone that was sent by mistake rather than something more innocuous, and added to the previous "dog ate my homework" quality of excuses. It starts to smell.

Unless someone ordered it on their behalf as a Bart Simpson style phone prank. Which is probably not beyond the realms of imagination.

Yeah, we're into the realms of double or triple jeopardy now... I can just about take one or two flimsy explanations, but when you start having stacks of them I get a bit

joelsim

bobmcstuff wrote:

KingstonGraham wrote:

This is not a case of ignoring the sources, but not really believing the explanation. The fact it just happened to be testosterone that was sent by mistake rather than something more innocuous, and added to the previous "dog ate my homework" quality of excuses. It starts to smell.

Unless someone ordered it on their behalf as a Bart Simpson style phone prank. Which is probably not beyond the realms of imagination.

Yeah, we're into the realms of double or triple jeopardy now... I can just about take one or two flimsy explanations, but when you start having stacks of them I get a bit

^This.

hanshotfirst

Kinda torn on this one.

On one hand, I really like the riders on the roster at Sky, I want to see them do well and win races. Cannot question what Brailsford has done for the team and the sport in Britain but I can't stand seeing him interviewed. He either portrays overwhelming arrogance or ends up like a flustered politician on an episode of The Thick Of It when backed into a corner and cannot answer a simple question. He's been caught with his hand in the till here and has only made things worse at every possible opportunity.

But, I absolutely LOATHE the Daily Mail with every fibre of my being so... GO DAVE!!

rick_chasey

Is a sad day for the sport generally if this is how he has to go.

Has changed cycling more than perhaps anyone one else in his generation.


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Though what is odd is that I feel the need to caveat this for the more irrational posters who will inevitably tar me with some kind of sky fanboy label, despite evidence to the contrary.

I guess that's where the world is going and cycling is no different.

gsk82

Good post Vinny.

I'm not sure the Mail have even gone as far as making accusations. They've just been insinuating, because in 2017 that's all you need to do. If they had any evidence of anything wrong happening I'm sure they'd have printed it before someone else beat them to it.

I'm no Sky fan boi. But I can't stand the tabloid media and their constant need to create scandal, no matter what the fallout for those involved.

hanshotfirst

VinnyMarsden wrote:

we love the queen,

We do not all love the Queen, pal.