Wiggins the legend!
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Rick Chasey wrote:So I don't like the rider, his Tour was the most dull Tour I can remember, and I've lost out because of the rise in popularity.
Yay Wiggins, :roll:
But the I like Pantani & Contador so I don't think I'm the target audience.
It was a dull Tour, that's for sure, but I'm sufficiently patriotic (I know, evil me) that the dullness was tempered by the fact that a Brit was on course to winning. He did have a spectacular year though.
Living in France I'm not exposed to the rise in British cycling, though on the odd times I am cycling in the UK I like the fact that there are more cyclists on the road, but I rarely ride anywhere where it's overwhelming.0 -
It may well of been a dull Tour however there were 22 teams riding, Sky/Wiggins cannot take the blame for how other teams ride.
Sky rode to Wiggins strengths, isn't that how it's usually done?0 -
Flasher wrote:It may well of been a dull Tour however there were 22 teams riding, Sky/Wiggins cannot take the blame for how other teams ride.
Sky rode to Wiggins strengths, isn't that how it's usually done?
I've never understood it when people say this.
Of course they did. Doesn't make it any less dull.0 -
Rick Chasey wrote:Flasher wrote:It may well of been a dull Tour however there were 22 teams riding, Sky/Wiggins cannot take the blame for how other teams ride.
Sky rode to Wiggins strengths, isn't that how it's usually done?
I've never understood it when people say this.
Of course they did. Doesn't make it any less dull.
Because you appear to be blaming Wiggins for the races dullness, and none of the other 197 riders.0 -
Regarding Sky's dullness, there have been plenty of examples of teams now employing different tactics to beat the Sky train rather than all sitting there behind them. Orica sending people up the road for Esteban and Adam, that Vuelta stage, Froome's downhill and echelons, Valverde off in the break a couple of times, Super Mario giving Quintana a hand in the final stage last year.0
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Flasher wrote:Rick Chasey wrote:Flasher wrote:It may well of been a dull Tour however there were 22 teams riding, Sky/Wiggins cannot take the blame for how other teams ride.
Sky rode to Wiggins strengths, isn't that how it's usually done?
I've never understood it when people say this.
Of course they did. Doesn't make it any less dull.
Because you appear to be blaming Wiggins for the races dullness, and none of the other 197 riders.
Cos the strongest riders shape the race, not the weak.
His style & tactics is very effective & very dull - choke off all the attacks.
Froome is stronger but is a more interesting rider. It's just how they are made physically.0 -
I'm with Rick on this. When Wiggins won it was dull. But he won, and the tactics were effective.
It's ok to say it's dull, even if you like that rider.Fckin' Quintana … that creep can roll, man.0 -
Most of us were just happy that a Brit was going to win the TourROAD < Scott Foil HMX Di2, Volagi Liscio Di2, Jamis Renegade Elite Di2, Cube Reaction Race > ROUGH0
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Flasher wrote:iainf72 wrote:I'm with Rick on this. When Wiggins won it was dull. But he won, and the tactics were effective.
It's ok to say it's dull, even if you like that rider.
I don't disagree, the race was dull, but to blame Wiggins isn't right IMO.
Certainly. You can't really blame anyone. Sky did their thing for Wiggins, other teams gave what they could to try and undo it. Didn't work, no ones fault - Sometimes it's exciting, 2012 wasn't.Fckin' Quintana … that creep can roll, man.0 -
Wiggins warrants his place in the cycling hall of fame, and sits near the top of the British list, due to his achievements. Dissecting his career race by race is pointless. First British Tour winner is huge (and yes, the race was a bit boring).0
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and sits near the top of the British list,
If he's not top I'd be interested to know who you think merits being above him!0 -
twotyred wrote:and sits near the top of the British list,
If he's not top I'd be interested to know who you think merits being above him!
I hadn't thought it through and i was trying not to be controversial. Knew somebody would take issue though!0 -
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At least no one's said Tommy Simpson0
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In a reflection of my comments in the Qatar thread, my experience of the 2012 Tour was that it was the most exciting ever. That's because I was staying in Alsace just over the hill from Plateau des Belles Filles and, by the time the race arrived, was fizzing with expectation of a demonstration from Sky and Wiggins who duly delivered. Was also there when Wiggins crushed everyone in the TTs. Evans, Nibali, Tony Martin Cancellara... all killing themselves to end up looking second rate. Beautiful memories of an athlete at his peak.
My man.0 -
You should have been there.0
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^ Wiggins on it in a TT was a thing of beauty. For some reason I always think back to the Paris Nice shots, up Col d'Eze when he beat Westra.
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The shots of him cornering in that Rapha video talking about perfection on the bike are just insane. His style looks so unbelievably good on a bike!PTP Champion 2019, 2022 & 20230
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M.R.M. wrote:The shots of him cornering in that Rapha video talking about perfection on the bike are just insane. His style looks so unbelievably good on a bike!
Beryl Burton would have cornered better though, while handing out some sweets from a bag in her back pocket as she sailed past Sir Wiggo.0 -
OCDuPalais wrote:You should have been there.
Wasn't on Plateau of the Beautiful Ladies, but was out in France for first 3 days & entire week 3. ''Twas a lovely thing indeed.0 -
To be honest I'm probably exactly what Rick hates - I've always cycled and had followed the Tour in passing pre-2012 but the 2012 tour is the first one I properly followed and since then my consumption of bike racing has increased to the point I watch every televised race available.
This and the 2012 Olympics also ultimately led to me getting a proper road bike and going from cycling maybe once a month to several times a week, and going from 88 to 70 kilos (this mostly happened in 2014 when I joined a club).
Having re-watched the 2012 tour it is fairly boring, but it did result in me losing 18 kilos and discovering the beauty of bike racing so for that I thank Wiggins.0 -
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The TDF was boring long before Sky cast their dark shadow across it.
Wiggins is a bellend, had to deny he's done well in a bike though.0 -
Boring - short of the Madison and Keirin nearly all cycling is boring.
Unless you appreciate it for what it is.
I was at Wiggin's hour record and what could be more boring than one man riding at *exactly* the same pace for and hour while not moving a single muscle except his legs. Every lap was identical. Mechanical. Dull dull dull. Except somehow it was thrilling - we were watching a perfectly executed ride by one of the greatest athletes ever at the top of his game.
Wiggin's Tour - like Cav's World's - were exciting because they put their cards of the table and said "We're the best rider in the world and we're going to ride how we want. I dare you to do something about it." We were watching excellence.0 -
Wiggins one of the greatest athletes ever?! Just no.0
