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  • Jezyboy
    Jezyboy Posts: 3,605
    edited March 2022
  • TheBigBean
    TheBigBean Posts: 21,910

    I follow a lot of economists on Twitter and all of them are declaring “oil price shocks are deflationary” FYI

    Eg.

    The source you quote is saying disinflationary not deflationary
    And eventually. Other than that, a good summary.
  • tailwindhome
    tailwindhome Posts: 19,436
    The authorities of the Republic of Poland, after consultations between the President and the Goverment, are ready to deploy – immediately and free of charge – all their MIG-29 jets to the Rammstein Air Base and place them at the disposal of the Government of the United States of America.

    At the same time, Poland requests the United States to provide us with used aircraft with corresponding operational capabilities. Poland is ready to immediately establish the conditions of purchase of the planes.

    The Polish Government also requests other NATO Allies – owners of MIG-29 jets – to act in the same vein.



    “New York has the haircuts, London has the trousers, but Belfast has the reason!
  • morstar
    morstar Posts: 6,190
    Jezyboy said:
    Jesus F’in H Christ!

  • ugo.santalucia
    ugo.santalucia Posts: 28,312
    Seen one of these in the sky today… good thing or bad?

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Boeing_E-3_Sentry
    left the forum March 2023
  • briantrumpet
    briantrumpet Posts: 20,340
    Stevo_666 said:

    MattFalle said:

    Ending for some sectors from 1st April. Will drive £1.5bn to the treasury P.A, apparently.

    which sectors?
    All except agri, rail, non-commercial heating.

    @Stevo_666 :)

    I know I said we have oil fired CH - it's actually kerosene. Hey ho.

    Ah. I'd not realised that there was another type of heating oil. I don't remember it being an option when I rented a farm cottage back in the 80's. Mind you that had a cronky old boiler which stank of diesel.
  • MattFalle
    MattFalle Posts: 11,644

    Seen one of these in the sky today… good thing or bad?

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Boeing_E-3_Sentry

    wouldn't worry about it - just cutting around doing its thang. most probs just on its way somewhere.

    if you saw it it wasn't doing its job.
    .
    The camera down the willy isn't anything like as bad as it sounds.
  • briantrumpet
    briantrumpet Posts: 20,340
    morstar said:

    Jezyboy said:
    Jesus F’in H Christ!


    I wonder who's paying his pocket money.
  • thegreatdivide
    thegreatdivide Posts: 5,807

    The authorities of the Republic of Poland, after consultations between the President and the Goverment, are ready to deploy – immediately and free of charge – all their MIG-29 jets to the Rammstein Air Base and place them at the disposal of the Government of the United States of America.

    At the same time, Poland requests the United States to provide us with used aircraft with corresponding operational capabilities. Poland is ready to immediately establish the conditions of purchase of the planes.

    The Polish Government also requests other NATO Allies – owners of MIG-29 jets – to act in the same vein.



    The US has fields of mothballed F-16s that can be reactivated - so they can pay the debt pretty quickly. Poland currently uses a different 'Block' of F-16 (different countries have different F-16 mods) but since the Polish AF are getting rid of ex Soviet antiques, I guess the US can replace them with early model F-16s.
  • tailwindhome
    tailwindhome Posts: 19,436

    The authorities of the Republic of Poland, after consultations between the President and the Goverment, are ready to deploy – immediately and free of charge – all their MIG-29 jets to the Rammstein Air Base and place them at the disposal of the Government of the United States of America.

    At the same time, Poland requests the United States to provide us with used aircraft with corresponding operational capabilities. Poland is ready to immediately establish the conditions of purchase of the planes.

    The Polish Government also requests other NATO Allies – owners of MIG-29 jets – to act in the same vein.



    The US has fields of mothballed F-16s that can be reactivated - so they can pay the debt pretty quickly. Poland currently uses a different 'Block' of F-16 (different countries have different F-16 mods) but since the Polish AF are getting rid of ex Soviet antiques, I guess the US can replace them with early model F-16s.
    And the Ukrainians get the Migs they know how to fly

    Elegant solution
    “New York has the haircuts, London has the trousers, but Belfast has the reason!
  • morstar
    morstar Posts: 6,190

    morstar said:

    Jezyboy said:
    Jesus F’in H Christ!


    I wonder who's paying his pocket money.
    I know we have had much debate around the concept of what is a reasonable measure of sovereignty but this just beggars belief.

    A sovereign state is supposedly responsible for safeguarding its citizens by capitulating to an aggressor.

    Definitely in somebodies pocket. I’m not on Twitter but I hope he has been flamed to death.
  • rick_chasey
    rick_chasey Posts: 75,661
    edited March 2022

    I follow a lot of economists on Twitter and all of them are declaring “oil price shocks are deflationary” FYI

    Eg.

    The source you quote is saying disinflationary not deflationary
    And eventually. Other than that, a good summary.
    Honest Q I don’t know the difference between disinflationary and deflationary and I thought (in hindsight presumably wrongly) they were the same
  • MattFalle
    MattFalle Posts: 11,644

    The authorities of the Republic of Poland, after consultations between the President and the Goverment, are ready to deploy – immediately and free of charge – all their MIG-29 jets to the Rammstein Air Base and place them at the disposal of the Government of the United States of America.

    At the same time, Poland requests the United States to provide us with used aircraft with corresponding operational capabilities. Poland is ready to immediately establish the conditions of purchase of the planes.

    The Polish Government also requests other NATO Allies – owners of MIG-29 jets – to act in the same vein.



    The US has fields of mothballed F-16s that can be reactivated - so they can pay the debt pretty quickly. Poland currently uses a different 'Block' of F-16 (different countries have different F-16 mods) but since the Polish AF are getting rid of ex Soviet antiques, I guess the US can replace them with early model F-16s.
    you know what?

    this

    taking in all the refugees

    the massive civvie relief efforts they have organised

    all the stuff we don't know about.....

    the Poles. They're fuckingcool.

    i've decided to marry a lucky, lucky Polish lady.

    #fuckbrexit
    .
    The camera down the willy isn't anything like as bad as it sounds.
  • TheBigBean
    TheBigBean Posts: 21,910

    I follow a lot of economists on Twitter and all of them are declaring “oil price shocks are deflationary” FYI

    Eg.

    The source you quote is saying disinflationary not deflationary
    And eventually. Other than that, a good summary.
    Honest Q I don’t know the difference between disinflationary and deflationary
    One is relative the other is absolute. Deflation involves negative inflation. Disinflationary is less inflation than otherwise would be the case.
  • rick_chasey
    rick_chasey Posts: 75,661

    I follow a lot of economists on Twitter and all of them are declaring “oil price shocks are deflationary” FYI

    Eg.

    The source you quote is saying disinflationary not deflationary
    And eventually. Other than that, a good summary.
    Honest Q I don’t know the difference between disinflationary and deflationary
    One is relative the other is absolute. Deflation involves negative inflation. Disinflationary is less inflation than otherwise would be the case.
    Thanks
  • thegreatdivide
    thegreatdivide Posts: 5,807

    The authorities of the Republic of Poland, after consultations between the President and the Goverment, are ready to deploy – immediately and free of charge – all their MIG-29 jets to the Rammstein Air Base and place them at the disposal of the Government of the United States of America.

    At the same time, Poland requests the United States to provide us with used aircraft with corresponding operational capabilities. Poland is ready to immediately establish the conditions of purchase of the planes.

    The Polish Government also requests other NATO Allies – owners of MIG-29 jets – to act in the same vein.



    The US has fields of mothballed F-16s that can be reactivated - so they can pay the debt pretty quickly. Poland currently uses a different 'Block' of F-16 (different countries have different F-16 mods) but since the Polish AF are getting rid of ex Soviet antiques, I guess the US can replace them with early model F-16s.
    And the Ukrainians get the Migs they know how to fly

    Elegant solution
    It must be noted that although they are 'antiques' they'll be lethal at the hands of the Ukrainian pilots. A quick scan of YouTube will bring up some incredible low level flying. They're renowned for it and used their skills well back in 2014.

    These have been tagged as Russians, but correctly identified as Ukrainian Mig-29s in the comments:

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VXHGCmkoik0
  • imposter2.0
    imposter2.0 Posts: 12,028

    Stevo_666 said:

    MattFalle said:

    Ending for some sectors from 1st April. Will drive £1.5bn to the treasury P.A, apparently.

    which sectors?
    All except agri, rail, non-commercial heating.

    @Stevo_666 :)

    I know I said we have oil fired CH - it's actually kerosene. Hey ho.

    Ah. I'd not realised that there was another type of heating oil. I don't remember it being an option when I rented a farm cottage back in the 80's. Mind you that had a cronky old boiler which stank of diesel.
    I haven't been following this particular interaction, so I might be missing something here, but 'kerosene', 'heating oil', 'diesel', etc, is all obviously the same basic crude-derived stuff..
  • morstar
    morstar Posts: 6,190

    Stevo_666 said:

    MattFalle said:

    Ending for some sectors from 1st April. Will drive £1.5bn to the treasury P.A, apparently.

    which sectors?
    All except agri, rail, non-commercial heating.

    @Stevo_666 :)

    I know I said we have oil fired CH - it's actually kerosene. Hey ho.

    Ah. I'd not realised that there was another type of heating oil. I don't remember it being an option when I rented a farm cottage back in the 80's. Mind you that had a cronky old boiler which stank of diesel.
    I haven't been following this particular interaction, so I might be missing something here, but 'kerosene', 'heating oil', 'diesel', etc, is all obviously the same basic crude-derived stuff..
    Kerosene and diesel are the same in the same sense that petrol and diesel are the same.

    Both from Crude but refined to different levels.
  • MattFalle
    MattFalle Posts: 11,644
    edited March 2022

    I follow a lot of economists on Twitter and all of them are declaring “oil price shocks are deflationary” FYI

    Eg.

    The source you quote is saying disinflationary not deflationary
    And eventually. Other than that, a good summary.
    Honest Q I don’t know the difference between disinflationary and deflationary
    One is relative the other is absolute. Deflation involves negative inflation. Disinflationary is less inflation than otherwise would be the case.
    mec, i stick needles in people and shoot things.

    can you dumb this down please?
    .
    The camera down the willy isn't anything like as bad as it sounds.
  • rick_chasey
    rick_chasey Posts: 75,661
    MattFalle said:

    I follow a lot of economists on Twitter and all of them are declaring “oil price shocks are deflationary” FYI

    Eg.

    The source you quote is saying disinflationary not deflationary
    And eventually. Other than that, a good summary.
    Honest Q I don’t know the difference between disinflationary and deflationary
    One is relative the other is absolute. Deflation involves negative inflation. Disinflationary is less inflation than otherwise would be the case.
    mec, i stick needles in people .

    can you dumb this down please?
    I guess with my new found knowledge something that slows down inflation, say from 7% to 5% is disinflationary. Deflation is negative inflation.

    Am I getting this right?
  • briantrumpet
    briantrumpet Posts: 20,340

    MattFalle said:

    I follow a lot of economists on Twitter and all of them are declaring “oil price shocks are deflationary” FYI

    Eg.

    The source you quote is saying disinflationary not deflationary
    And eventually. Other than that, a good summary.
    Honest Q I don’t know the difference between disinflationary and deflationary
    One is relative the other is absolute. Deflation involves negative inflation. Disinflationary is less inflation than otherwise would be the case.
    mec, i stick needles in people .

    can you dumb this down please?
    I guess with my new found knowledge something that slows down inflation, say from 7% to 5% is disinflationary. Deflation is negative inflation.

    Am I getting this right?

    I* reckon so.

    (*failed A-level maths)
  • imposter2.0
    imposter2.0 Posts: 12,028
    edited March 2022
    morstar said:

    Stevo_666 said:

    MattFalle said:

    Ending for some sectors from 1st April. Will drive £1.5bn to the treasury P.A, apparently.

    which sectors?
    All except agri, rail, non-commercial heating.

    @Stevo_666 :)

    I know I said we have oil fired CH - it's actually kerosene. Hey ho.

    Ah. I'd not realised that there was another type of heating oil. I don't remember it being an option when I rented a farm cottage back in the 80's. Mind you that had a cronky old boiler which stank of diesel.
    I haven't been following this particular interaction, so I might be missing something here, but 'kerosene', 'heating oil', 'diesel', etc, is all obviously the same basic crude-derived stuff..
    Kerosene and diesel are the same in the same sense that petrol and diesel are the same.

    Both from Crude but refined to different levels.
    Except it's possible to run a diesel engine on kerosene, while you wouldn't want to try running it on petrol.
  • First.Aspect
    First.Aspect Posts: 17,165

    Stevo_666 said:

    MattFalle said:

    Ending for some sectors from 1st April. Will drive £1.5bn to the treasury P.A, apparently.

    which sectors?
    All except agri, rail, non-commercial heating.

    @Stevo_666 :)

    I know I said we have oil fired CH - it's actually kerosene. Hey ho.

    Ah. I'd not realised that there was another type of heating oil. I don't remember it being an option when I rented a farm cottage back in the 80's. Mind you that had a cronky old boiler which stank of diesel.
    I haven't been following this particular interaction, so I might be missing something here, but 'kerosene', 'heating oil', 'diesel', etc, is all obviously the same basic crude-derived stuff..
    Seem to be more or less the same. Kerosene slightly lighter average molecular weight.

    They both smell equally bad, I know that much.
  • TheBigBean
    TheBigBean Posts: 21,910
    Isn't the solution likely to be that Russia gets Crimea, Ukraine promises not to join NATO for a period of time and Russia pays reparations in some form e.g. high rent on nord stream. Putin then celebrates his greatness whilst knowing he lost.
  • ddraver
    ddraver Posts: 26,697
    A horrible video of a russian tank destroying a car driven by an elderly couple doing the rounds on twitter.

    It's as graphic and as bad as you're imagining.
    We're in danger of confusing passion with incompetence
    - @ddraver
  • rjsterry
    rjsterry Posts: 29,541
    morstar said:

    Jezyboy said:
    Jesus F’in H Christ!

    He has form for being a massive and obnoxious idiot.
    1985 Mercian King of Mercia - work in progress (Hah! Who am I kidding?)
    Pinnacle Monzonite

    Part of the anti-growth coalition
  • MattFalle
    MattFalle Posts: 11,644
    edited March 2022
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    .
    The camera down the willy isn't anything like as bad as it sounds.
  • pangolin
    pangolin Posts: 6,648
    ddraver said:

    A horrible video of a russian tank destroying a car driven by an elderly couple doing the rounds on twitter.

    It's as graphic and as bad as you're imagining.

    I saw two, one of the shots and one of the aftermath. Really grim.
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