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What happens if he attacks a non Nato EU country? Just exploring the don't be silly civilians nothing to do here thinking.MattFalle said:
rightrick_chasey said:Honestly, nuclear war does not in the slightest worry me as by the time I hear about it happening it’ll only be minutes before I’m dead anyway so what’s there to do?
But I think it is a massive strategic mistake to think that the Russian nuclear capability is anything but effective and capable of blowing up the world a couple times over.
I also think, from what I’ve read from various Kremlinologists is that when Putin says he’d rather a no world than a world without Russia he means it. I also think he means it when he days he’ll use nukes if NATO attacks.
Nukes change the strategic landscape substantially. You can’t launch a full scale invasion of a nuclear power and expect to survive it.
NATO isn't going to attack. we'd have done it by now
all this stuff does worry you. do not go worrying your friends over some poxy middle class dinner party. i will find out and i will get angry if you do and send cargobike round to bullshityou to death.
stop reading the echo chamber. read some inspector montalbano books instead.
no one is invading a nuclear power. no one has suggested tgat they ever will. you are now making things up to worry yourself.
just #fuckingstopit.0 -
Things have moved on a bit since 1945. Can I also add my voice to those asking for people to stop fking talking about nuclear weapons.Jezyboy said:Presumably you'd need better than V2 rocketry when trying to get past a modern missile defence system.
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Meh. You are not too far from a nuclear power station so likely to be a target.First.Aspect said:I don't worry about being hit by a train. I worry about surviving it.
Same thing with the after effects of some nuclear detonation.
Don't worry about surviving. There was a map earlier. Refer to that. Get in the black.The above may be fact, or fiction, I may be serious, I may be jesting.
I am not sure. You have no chance.Veronese68 wrote:PB is the most sensible person on here.0 -
Putin started talking about it. Can’t discuss the geopolitical setup without itimposter2.0 said:
Things have moved on a bit since 1945. Can I also add my voice to those asking for people to stop fking talking about nuclear weapons.Jezyboy said:Presumably you'd need better than V2 rocketry when trying to get past a modern missile defence system.
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if russia didn't have nukes its completely different.rick_chasey said:Now now, relax.
It’s important as I think without nukes the temptation for other EU countries to throw in some troops may have been too much to resist.
And you can’t really examine the Russian demands for countries being or not being part of NATO, not just Ukraine but Finland etc, without taking the nuclear factor into account.
if my aunt had a willy she'd be my uncle.
russia can't do anything to Finland etc as she's currently #fukkked
russia can't demand anything as currently 80%of the world are calling her a #belter.The camera down the willy isn't anything like as bad as it sounds.
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he just has and look what happened.First.Aspect said:
What happens if he attacks a non Nato EU country? Just exploring the don't be silly civilians nothing to do here thinking.MattFalle said:
rightrick_chasey said:Honestly, nuclear war does not in the slightest worry me as by the time I hear about it happening it’ll only be minutes before I’m dead anyway so what’s there to do?
But I think it is a massive strategic mistake to think that the Russian nuclear capability is anything but effective and capable of blowing up the world a couple times over.
I also think, from what I’ve read from various Kremlinologists is that when Putin says he’d rather a no world than a world without Russia he means it. I also think he means it when he days he’ll use nukes if NATO attacks.
Nukes change the strategic landscape substantially. You can’t launch a full scale invasion of a nuclear power and expect to survive it.
NATO isn't going to attack. we'd have done it by now
all this stuff does worry you. do not go worrying your friends over some poxy middle class dinner party. i will find out and i will get angry if you do and send cargobike round to bullshityou to death.
stop reading the echo chamber. read some inspector montalbano books instead.
no one is invading a nuclear power. no one has suggested tgat they ever will. you are now making things up to worry yourself.
just #fuckingstopit.
.The camera down the willy isn't anything like as bad as it sounds.
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putin also had lunch with 20 particularly ropey airstewardess but i don't seen everyone clamouring for plastic bottles of wine and a soggy croissant.rick_chasey said:
Putin started talking about it. Can’t discuss the geopolitical setup without itimposter2.0 said:
Things have moved on a bit since 1945. Can I also add my voice to those asking for people to stop fking talking about nuclear weapons.Jezyboy said:Presumably you'd need better than V2 rocketry when trying to get past a modern missile defence system.
.The camera down the willy isn't anything like as bad as it sounds.
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MattFalle said:
if russia didn't have nukes its completely different.rick_chasey said:Now now, relax.
It’s important as I think without nukes the temptation for other EU countries to throw in some troops may have been too much to resist.
And you can’t really examine the Russian demands for countries being or not being part of NATO, not just Ukraine but Finland etc, without taking the nuclear factor into account.
if my aunt had a willy she'd be my uncle.
russia can't do anything to Finland etc as she's currently #fukkked
russia can't demand anything as currently 80%of the world are calling her a #belter
https://youtu.be/A-RfHC91Ewc - Genesis Croix de Fer
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wonderful - grazie grazie grazie!pangolin said:MattFalle said:
if russia didn't have nukes its completely different.rick_chasey said:Now now, relax.
It’s important as I think without nukes the temptation for other EU countries to throw in some troops may have been too much to resist.
And you can’t really examine the Russian demands for countries being or not being part of NATO, not just Ukraine but Finland etc, without taking the nuclear factor into account.
if my aunt had a willy she'd be my uncle.
russia can't do anything to Finland etc as she's currently #fukkked
russia can't demand anything as currently 80%of the world are calling her a #belterhttps://youtu.be/A-RfHC91Ewc.The camera down the willy isn't anything like as bad as it sounds.
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non Nato, EU countryMattFalle said:
he just has and look what happened.First.Aspect said:
What happens if he attacks a non Nato EU country? Just exploring the don't be silly civilians nothing to do here thinking.MattFalle said:
rightrick_chasey said:Honestly, nuclear war does not in the slightest worry me as by the time I hear about it happening it’ll only be minutes before I’m dead anyway so what’s there to do?
But I think it is a massive strategic mistake to think that the Russian nuclear capability is anything but effective and capable of blowing up the world a couple times over.
I also think, from what I’ve read from various Kremlinologists is that when Putin says he’d rather a no world than a world without Russia he means it. I also think he means it when he days he’ll use nukes if NATO attacks.
Nukes change the strategic landscape substantially. You can’t launch a full scale invasion of a nuclear power and expect to survive it.
NATO isn't going to attack. we'd have done it by now
all this stuff does worry you. do not go worrying your friends over some poxy middle class dinner party. i will find out and i will get angry if you do and send cargobike round to bullshityou to death.
stop reading the echo chamber. read some inspector montalbano books instead.
no one is invading a nuclear power. no one has suggested tgat they ever will. you are now making things up to worry yourself.
just #fuckingstopit.
e.g. Finland.
Actually, in terms of borders, only Finland.
Moldova and Georgia must be shittinhg it.
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(A lot of the reasons for Brexit in that clip...anyhoo...)pangolin said:MattFalle said:
if russia didn't have nukes its completely different.rick_chasey said:Now now, relax.
It’s important as I think without nukes the temptation for other EU countries to throw in some troops may have been too much to resist.
And you can’t really examine the Russian demands for countries being or not being part of NATO, not just Ukraine but Finland etc, without taking the nuclear factor into account.
if my aunt had a willy she'd be my uncle.
russia can't do anything to Finland etc as she's currently #fukkked
russia can't demand anything as currently 80%of the world are calling her a #belterhttps://youtu.be/A-RfHC91EwcWe're in danger of confusing passion with incompetence
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As Odessa is currently under attack and not too far from Moldova I’d have to say yup!First.Aspect said:
non Nato, EU countryMattFalle said:
he just has and look what happened.First.Aspect said:
What happens if he attacks a non Nato EU country? Just exploring the don't be silly civilians nothing to do here thinking.MattFalle said:
rightrick_chasey said:Honestly, nuclear war does not in the slightest worry me as by the time I hear about it happening it’ll only be minutes before I’m dead anyway so what’s there to do?
But I think it is a massive strategic mistake to think that the Russian nuclear capability is anything but effective and capable of blowing up the world a couple times over.
I also think, from what I’ve read from various Kremlinologists is that when Putin says he’d rather a no world than a world without Russia he means it. I also think he means it when he days he’ll use nukes if NATO attacks.
Nukes change the strategic landscape substantially. You can’t launch a full scale invasion of a nuclear power and expect to survive it.
NATO isn't going to attack. we'd have done it by now
all this stuff does worry you. do not go worrying your friends over some poxy middle class dinner party. i will find out and i will get angry if you do and send cargobike round to bullshityou to death.
stop reading the echo chamber. read some inspector montalbano books instead.
no one is invading a nuclear power. no one has suggested tgat they ever will. you are now making things up to worry yourself.
just #fuckingstopit.
e.g. Finland.
Actually, in terms of borders, only Finland.
Moldova and Georgia must be shittinhg it.
Also, the Belarusian gave the plan away last week.The above may be fact, or fiction, I may be serious, I may be jesting.
I am not sure. You have no chance.Veronese68 wrote:PB is the most sensible person on here.0 -
It's Schofield saying you nearly polished both of us offpangolin said:MattFalle said:
if russia didn't have nukes its completely different.rick_chasey said:Now now, relax.
It’s important as I think without nukes the temptation for other EU countries to throw in some troops may have been too much to resist.
And you can’t really examine the Russian demands for countries being or not being part of NATO, not just Ukraine but Finland etc, without taking the nuclear factor into account.
if my aunt had a willy she'd be my uncle.
russia can't do anything to Finland etc as she's currently #fukkked
russia can't demand anything as currently 80%of the world are calling her a #belterhttps://youtu.be/A-RfHC91Ewc0 -
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Has this been covered?
Russia is reportedly asking for Crimea to be recognised as Russian and the Dombas region(s) to be independent and a constitutional guarantee Ukraine won't join NATO or any other block (may include EU?).
That will see Russia cease the conflict immediately - and I'm assuming withdraw.
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Ukraine has to demilitarise too doesn’t it?DeVlaeminck said:Has this been covered?
Russia is reportedly asking for Crimea to be recognised as Russian and the Dombas region(s) to be independent and a constitutional guarantee Ukraine won't join NATO or any other block (may include EU?).
That will see Russia cease the conflict immediately - and I'm assuming withdraw.
Putin certainly looks like he’s after an out now.
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Ukraine also has to commit to never joining NATO.DeVlaeminck said:Has this been covered?
Russia is reportedly asking for Crimea to be recognised as Russian and the Dombas region(s) to be independent and a constitutional guarantee Ukraine won't join NATO or any other block (may include EU?).
That will see Russia cease the conflict immediately - and I'm assuming withdraw.
Nobody believes the offer to be honest or genuine in the long term.The above may be fact, or fiction, I may be serious, I may be jesting.
I am not sure. You have no chance.Veronese68 wrote:PB is the most sensible person on here.0 -
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The camera down the willy isn't anything like as bad as it sounds.
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Ok it didn't report the demilitarise bit - yes that's not something they are ever going to agree to.pblakeney said:
Ukraine also has to commit to never joining NATO.DeVlaeminck said:Has this been covered?
Russia is reportedly asking for Crimea to be recognised as Russian and the Dombas region(s) to be independent and a constitutional guarantee Ukraine won't join NATO or any other block (may include EU?).
That will see Russia cease the conflict immediately - and I'm assuming withdraw.
Nobody believes the offer to be honest or genuine in the long term.
I imagine that the rest of it is something that the West would be keen Ukraine agreed to though assuming safeguards could be put in place that Russia respected the agreement.[Castle Donington Ladies FC - going up in '22]0 -
A bit like when they gave up their nukes in exchange for safeguards. Can't see it happening.DeVlaeminck said:
Ok it didn't report the demilitarise bit - yes that's not something they are ever going to agree to.pblakeney said:
Ukraine also has to commit to never joining NATO.DeVlaeminck said:Has this been covered?
Russia is reportedly asking for Crimea to be recognised as Russian and the Dombas region(s) to be independent and a constitutional guarantee Ukraine won't join NATO or any other block (may include EU?).
That will see Russia cease the conflict immediately - and I'm assuming withdraw.
Nobody believes the offer to be honest or genuine in the long term.
I imagine that the rest of it is something that the West would be keen Ukraine agreed to though assuming safeguards could be put in place that Russia respected the agreement.- Genesis Croix de Fer
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Does the West really want to set the precedent that the way to grow your territory is to fight (what appears to be) an ineffective war.DeVlaeminck said:
Ok it didn't report the demilitarise bit - yes that's not something they are ever going to agree to.pblakeney said:
Ukraine also has to commit to never joining NATO.DeVlaeminck said:Has this been covered?
Russia is reportedly asking for Crimea to be recognised as Russian and the Dombas region(s) to be independent and a constitutional guarantee Ukraine won't join NATO or any other block (may include EU?).
That will see Russia cease the conflict immediately - and I'm assuming withdraw.
Nobody believes the offer to be honest or genuine in the long term.
I imagine that the rest of it is something that the West would be keen Ukraine agreed to though assuming safeguards could be put in place that Russia respected the agreement.
Ultimately I would think Putin (but not Russia) needs to be humiliated.0 -
DeVlaeminck said:
Ok it didn't report the demilitarise bit - yes that's not something they are ever going to agree to.pblakeney said:
Ukraine also has to commit to never joining NATO.DeVlaeminck said:Has this been covered?
Russia is reportedly asking for Crimea to be recognised as Russian and the Dombas region(s) to be independent and a constitutional guarantee Ukraine won't join NATO or any other block (may include EU?).
That will see Russia cease the conflict immediately - and I'm assuming withdraw.
Nobody believes the offer to be honest or genuine in the long term.
I imagine that the rest of it is something that the West would be keen Ukraine agreed to though assuming safeguards could be put in place that Russia respected the agreement.
I don't think any of it is offered in good faith: it's just setting the pretext for further encroachments on former USSR territories.0 -
I'd agree, I reckon its hurting them and starting to look like this will be a long and messy conflict. I would guess Ukraine will carry on fighting as clearly they won't accept that offer.thegreatdivide said:
Ukraine has to demilitarise too doesn’t it?DeVlaeminck said:Has this been covered?
Russia is reportedly asking for Crimea to be recognised as Russian and the Dombas region(s) to be independent and a constitutional guarantee Ukraine won't join NATO or any other block (may include EU?).
That will see Russia cease the conflict immediately - and I'm assuming withdraw.
Putin certainly looks like he’s after an out now."I spent most of my money on birds, booze and fast cars: the rest of it I just squandered." [George Best]0 -
Jezyboy said:
Does the West really want to set the precedent that the way to grow your territory is to fight (what appears to be) an ineffective war.DeVlaeminck said:
Ok it didn't report the demilitarise bit - yes that's not something they are ever going to agree to.pblakeney said:
Ukraine also has to commit to never joining NATO.DeVlaeminck said:Has this been covered?
Russia is reportedly asking for Crimea to be recognised as Russian and the Dombas region(s) to be independent and a constitutional guarantee Ukraine won't join NATO or any other block (may include EU?).
That will see Russia cease the conflict immediately - and I'm assuming withdraw.
Nobody believes the offer to be honest or genuine in the long term.
I imagine that the rest of it is something that the West would be keen Ukraine agreed to though assuming safeguards could be put in place that Russia respected the agreement.
Ultimately I would think Putin (but not Russia) needs to be humiliated.
I think the West would quite happily see Russia gain territory that it has occupied for 7-8 years in exchange for an end to this war.
I mean it didn't do an awful lot when Crimea was invaded in the first place.[Castle Donington Ladies FC - going up in '22]0 -
I think the bigger sticking points would be the demands on renouncing future membership of NATO & the EU. Can't see for one minute they'd accept that.DeVlaeminck said:Jezyboy said:
Does the West really want to set the precedent that the way to grow your territory is to fight (what appears to be) an ineffective war.DeVlaeminck said:
Ok it didn't report the demilitarise bit - yes that's not something they are ever going to agree to.pblakeney said:
Ukraine also has to commit to never joining NATO.DeVlaeminck said:Has this been covered?
Russia is reportedly asking for Crimea to be recognised as Russian and the Dombas region(s) to be independent and a constitutional guarantee Ukraine won't join NATO or any other block (may include EU?).
That will see Russia cease the conflict immediately - and I'm assuming withdraw.
Nobody believes the offer to be honest or genuine in the long term.
I imagine that the rest of it is something that the West would be keen Ukraine agreed to though assuming safeguards could be put in place that Russia respected the agreement.
Ultimately I would think Putin (but not Russia) needs to be humiliated.
I think the West would quite happily see Russia gain territory that it has occupied for 7-8 years in exchange for an end to this war.
I mean it didn't do an awful lot when Crimea was invaded in the first place.0 -
In other news, the Russian army considers cutting its sponsorship deal with Italy.
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The only way we could defend the deal is if we said we would treat Ukraine as a NATO state if russian troops ever entered again. Putin is offering a country to essentially become a victim to russian whims forever. Given Russia shows no sign of becoming anything less of a rogue state I think Ukrainians should pass on this deal.DeVlaeminck said:
Ok it didn't report the demilitarise bit - yes that's not something they are ever going to agree to.pblakeney said:
Ukraine also has to commit to never joining NATO.DeVlaeminck said:Has this been covered?
Russia is reportedly asking for Crimea to be recognised as Russian and the Dombas region(s) to be independent and a constitutional guarantee Ukraine won't join NATO or any other block (may include EU?).
That will see Russia cease the conflict immediately - and I'm assuming withdraw.
Nobody believes the offer to be honest or genuine in the long term.
I imagine that the rest of it is something that the West would be keen Ukraine agreed to though assuming safeguards could be put in place that Russia respected the agreement.0 -
The Ukrainians really are becoming funnier by the day. If it is not farmers storing significant assets in their barns for the future it is just blatant mocking of the Russians. Long may it continue.rick_chasey said:0
