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  • DeVlaeminck
    DeVlaeminck Posts: 9,112
    Obviously any "peace" deal that is made has to have guarantees on both sides but I tend to agree that what Russia is asking for is not a million miles off being a *possible* resolution.

    I accept Ukraine can't accept disarming - that would be ridiculous given it borders Russia. But giving up Crimea and the Eastern provinces - whilst not something they want might be something they accept if pressured by the West. Let's not forget some of us were expecting either a complete annexation of Ukraine or Russia taking a large part of it.

    If Russia also want a say in internal Ukraine politics then that's again unacceptable but I'm not clear if they are asking for that.

    Ruling out joining NATO and other blocs - well it wasn't about to join NATO - or the EU as far as I know.

    I think it's at least a basis for negotiation - there might be compromised that can be made but I was surprised that if genuine Russia was offering any kind of peace other than complete Ukrainian surrender and installing a puppet govt as Belarus, Chechnya etc. Of course that may reflect the fact Russia knows it can't win and hold Ukraine militarily.

    Basically it's about looking at the realistic alternatives rather than what you'd want in an ideal world - I don't think Crimea becoming Ukrainian again is realistic unless Russia suffers a total military defeat.
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  • thegreatdivide
    thegreatdivide Posts: 5,807
    More for the collection...

  • AndyG785
    AndyG785 Posts: 20
    Stunning argument being made on BR Mr Fail - Ukraine has no shortage of people willing to fight but they don't have the equipment, so you supply the anti aircraft systems and i'll deliver them.....
  • thegreatdivide
    thegreatdivide Posts: 5,807
    Reports that Ukrainian SF destroyed a massive amount of Russian helicopters on the ground in a raid last night at Kherson airfield. Tory Boy Wallace mentioned it on LBC this morning as well:

  • rjsterry
    rjsterry Posts: 29,895
    DeVlaeminck said:

    Obviously any "peace" deal that is made has to have guarantees on both sides but I tend to agree that what Russia is asking for is not a million miles off being a *possible* resolution.

    I accept Ukraine can't accept disarming - that would be ridiculous given it borders Russia. But giving up Crimea and the Eastern provinces - whilst not something they want might be something they accept if pressured by the West. Let's not forget some of us were expecting either a complete annexation of Ukraine or Russia taking a large part of it.

    If Russia also want a say in internal Ukraine politics then that's again unacceptable but I'm not clear if they are asking for that.

    Ruling out joining NATO and other blocs - well it wasn't about to join NATO - or the EU as far as I know.

    I think it's at least a basis for negotiation - there might be compromised that can be made but I was surprised that if genuine Russia was offering any kind of peace other than complete Ukrainian surrender and installing a puppet govt as Belarus, Chechnya etc. Of course that may reflect the fact Russia knows it can't win and hold Ukraine militarily.

    Basically it's about looking at the realistic alternatives rather than what you'd want in an ideal world - I don't think Crimea becoming Ukrainian again is realistic unless Russia suffers a total military defeat.

    Is this a complete impossibility?
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  • MattFalle
    MattFalle Posts: 11,644
    edited March 2022
    AndyG785 said:

    Stunning argument being made on BR Mr Fail - Ukraine has no shortage of people willing to fight but they don't have the equipment, so you supply the anti aircraft systems and i'll deliver them.....

    no.

    you said you want military action but you aren't prepared to put your boots on the ground.

    get ypur boots on the ground and we'll listen to what you have to say.

    and no, you wouldn't deliver them not a chance.
    .
    The camera down the willy isn't anything like as bad as it sounds.
  • Stevo_666
    Stevo_666 Posts: 61,960
    john80 said:

    rick_chasey said:



    👌🏻
    The Ukrainians really are becoming funnier by the day. If it is not farmers storing significant assets in their barns for the future it is just blatant mocking of the Russians. Long may it continue.
    The one about captured Russian soldiers being able to go home if their Mum turned in person to collect them was a classic.
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  • imposter2.0
    imposter2.0 Posts: 12,028
    MattFalle said:

    AndyG785 said:

    Stunning argument being made on BR Mr Fail - Ukraine has no shortage of people willing to fight but they don't have the equipment, so you supply the anti aircraft systems and i'll deliver them.....

    no.

    you said you want military action but you aren't prepared to put your boots on the ground.

    get ypur boots on the ground and we'll listen to what you have to say.

    and no, you wouldn't deliver them not a chance.
    It's milemuncher again - just ignore him.
  • First.Aspect
    First.Aspect Posts: 17,465
    rjsterry said:

    DeVlaeminck said:

    Obviously any "peace" deal that is made has to have guarantees on both sides but I tend to agree that what Russia is asking for is not a million miles off being a *possible* resolution.

    I accept Ukraine can't accept disarming - that would be ridiculous given it borders Russia. But giving up Crimea and the Eastern provinces - whilst not something they want might be something they accept if pressured by the West. Let's not forget some of us were expecting either a complete annexation of Ukraine or Russia taking a large part of it.

    If Russia also want a say in internal Ukraine politics then that's again unacceptable but I'm not clear if they are asking for that.

    Ruling out joining NATO and other blocs - well it wasn't about to join NATO - or the EU as far as I know.

    I think it's at least a basis for negotiation - there might be compromised that can be made but I was surprised that if genuine Russia was offering any kind of peace other than complete Ukrainian surrender and installing a puppet govt as Belarus, Chechnya etc. Of course that may reflect the fact Russia knows it can't win and hold Ukraine militarily.

    Basically it's about looking at the realistic alternatives rather than what you'd want in an ideal world - I don't think Crimea becoming Ukrainian again is realistic unless Russia suffers a total military defeat.

    Is this a complete impossibility?
    No, but the time it would take means the price would be high, and its not us paying, by and large.
  • MattFalle
    MattFalle Posts: 11,644
    imposter2.0 said:

    MattFalle said:

    AndyG785 said:

    Stunning argument being made on BR Mr Fail - Ukraine has no shortage of people willing to fight but they don't have the equipment, so you supply the anti aircraft systems and i'll deliver them.....

    no.

    you said you want military action but you aren't prepared to put your boots on the ground.

    get ypur boots on the ground and we'll listen to what you have to say.

    and no, you wouldn't deliver them not a chance.
    It's milemuncher again - just ignore him.
    gotcha - grazie.
    .
    The camera down the willy isn't anything like as bad as it sounds.
  • First.Aspect
    First.Aspect Posts: 17,465
    imposter2.0 said:

    MattFalle said:

    AndyG785 said:

    Stunning argument being made on BR Mr Fail - Ukraine has no shortage of people willing to fight but they don't have the equipment, so you supply the anti aircraft systems and i'll deliver them.....

    no.

    you said you want military action but you aren't prepared to put your boots on the ground.

    get ypur boots on the ground and we'll listen to what you have to say.

    and no, you wouldn't deliver them not a chance.
    It's milemuncher again - just ignore him.
    I reckon it's that AI website that KG found.
  • imposter2.0
    imposter2.0 Posts: 12,028
    whoever it is, they just need to be ignored. I'm just assuming it's Nick, as the desire to demonstrate his in-depth knowledge of international affairs on here must be overwhelming...
  • ballysmate
    ballysmate Posts: 16,017
    US to ban Russian coal, oil and gas.
    That's gonna hurt.
  • First.Aspect
    First.Aspect Posts: 17,465
    ballysmate said:

    US to ban Russian coal, oil and gas.
    That's gonna hurt.

    They arent a big buyer. Bigger impact will be corporations elsewhere taking the "seen to be doing the right thing" approach.
  • morstar
    morstar Posts: 6,190
    First.Aspect said:

    ballysmate said:

    US to ban Russian coal, oil and gas.
    That's gonna hurt.

    They arent a big buyer. Bigger impact will be corporations elsewhere taking the "seen to be doing the right thing" approach.
    Bloody woke, snowflake hippies.
  • loltoride
    loltoride Posts: 460
    ballysmate said:

    US to ban Russian coal, oil and gas.
    That's gonna hurt.

    Unfortunately China will buy it - What we need is Netherlands & Germany to follow US but I can't see that happening.
    So Far!
  • shirley_basso
    shirley_basso Posts: 6,195
    Diesel at my local went up from £1.69 to £1.71 over the course of yesterday. Wonder what it will be when I get home
  • pangolin
    pangolin Posts: 6,668
    shirley_basso said:

    Diesel at my local went up from £1.69 to £1.71 over the course of yesterday. Wonder what it will be when I get home

    Had the radio on in the car earlier and someone was complaining about the cost of living and saying they had to use red diesel (they lived somewhere very rural) to be able to afford to take the kids to school.
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  • shirley_basso
    shirley_basso Posts: 6,195
    edited March 2022
    Ending for some sectors from 1st April. Will drive £1.5bn to the treasury P.A, apparently.
  • john80
    john80 Posts: 2,965
    pangolin said:

    shirley_basso said:

    Diesel at my local went up from £1.69 to £1.71 over the course of yesterday. Wonder what it will be when I get home

    Had the radio on in the car earlier and someone was complaining about the cost of living and saying they had to use red diesel (they lived somewhere very rural) to be able to afford to take the kids to school.
    Did they use a fake name or are the police waiting to dip their tank when they get home?
  • MattFalle
    MattFalle Posts: 11,644
    shirley_basso said:

    Ending for some sectors from 1st April. Will drive £1.5bn to the treasury P.A, apparently.

    which sectors?
    .
    The camera down the willy isn't anything like as bad as it sounds.
  • imposter2.0
    imposter2.0 Posts: 12,028
    pangolin said:

    shirley_basso said:

    Diesel at my local went up from £1.69 to £1.71 over the course of yesterday. Wonder what it will be when I get home

    Had the radio on in the car earlier and someone was complaining about the cost of living and saying they had to use red diesel (they lived somewhere very rural) to be able to afford to take the kids to school.
    How to admit to a crime, live on air. A bit like saying, "I had to rob a bank"....

  • shirley_basso
    shirley_basso Posts: 6,195
    MattFalle said:

    shirley_basso said:

    Ending for some sectors from 1st April. Will drive £1.5bn to the treasury P.A, apparently.

    which sectors?
    All except agri, rail, non-commercial heating.
  • briantrumpet
    briantrumpet Posts: 20,931
    shirley_basso said:

    MattFalle said:

    shirley_basso said:

    Ending for some sectors from 1st April. Will drive £1.5bn to the treasury P.A, apparently.

    which sectors?
    All except agri, rail, non-commercial heating.

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  • pangolin
    pangolin Posts: 6,668
    imposter2.0 said:

    pangolin said:

    shirley_basso said:

    Diesel at my local went up from £1.69 to £1.71 over the course of yesterday. Wonder what it will be when I get home

    Had the radio on in the car earlier and someone was complaining about the cost of living and saying they had to use red diesel (they lived somewhere very rural) to be able to afford to take the kids to school.
    How to admit to a crime, live on air. A bit like saying, "I had to rob a bank"....

    Yeah it was weird. The host kept reiterating it was a crime. Missed the start so I don't know if she identified herself.
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  • rick_chasey
    rick_chasey Posts: 75,660
    edited March 2022
    I follow a lot of economists on Twitter and all of them are declaring “oil price shocks are deflationary” FYI

    Eg.
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  • surrey_commuter
    surrey_commuter Posts: 18,867
    rick_chasey said:

    I follow a lot of economists on Twitter and all of them are declaring “oil price shocks are deflationary” FYI

    Eg.

    The source you quote is saying disinflationary not deflationary
  • JimD666
    JimD666 Posts: 2,293
    McDonalds are closing up in Russia. So at least not all sanctions are bad for the sanctioned country......
  • ballysmate
    ballysmate Posts: 16,017
    What the world needs now is a Georgy Zhukov moment.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EDOIzK8NuoU&ab_channel=Johnny%27sWarStories

    Anyone who's not seen the film, it's funnyasfuck.
  • Stevo_666
    Stevo_666 Posts: 61,960
    briantrumpet said:

    shirley_basso said:

    MattFalle said:

    shirley_basso said:

    Ending for some sectors from 1st April. Will drive £1.5bn to the treasury P.A, apparently.

    which sectors?
    All except agri, rail, non-commercial heating.

    @Stevo_666 :)

    I know I said we have oil fired CH - it's actually kerosene. Hey ho.
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