Poo tin... Put@in...

Stevo_666

ballysmate said:

pangolin said:

Stevo_666 said:

ballysmate said:

veronese68 said:

Maybe one of the Tory fanboys could explain why Lebedev was given a peerage, in spite of it being flagged as a security risk. There's an article about it in that left wing rag The Times.

No intention of defending it. It was wrong.
My point was that the opinion on here that the UK wasn't pulling its weight sanction wise was wrong.
I point out that even the Russians say that we are the main or at least one of the major nations that are squeezing the lie out of the Russian economy and even that is twisted to be a snipe at the Foreign Sec.

As regards being a Tory fanboy, if there weren't millions of us back in 2019, Jezza would have been PM and us on the way out of NATO, to be in the same sort of position, alliance wise as somebody like, erm, Ukraine.

No thanks asked.

I don't see anyone making a serious effort to rebut the facts on asset freezing. Funny that. Seems like there's a bit of diversion going on. Hopefully this thread won't turn out like so many others do and descend into a whiney tory bashing thread when the real enemy is further east.

Real enemy or trusted source Stevo? Make your mind up.

Bizarre that you guys are taking Russian claims that the naughty Brits sanctions are hurting them at face value.

So you don't believe that freezing hundreds of billions of assets are hurting them?

Not if he's trying to divert from the point I am making

ballysmate

MattFalle said:

rick_chasey said:

MattFalle said:

so, you gonna sign up to help stop it?

Probably not no. I have no training.

and, to be fair, neither do most of the Ukranians, but instead of hand wringing in suburbia they seem to be doing something.

Like Rick and most on here, I am in no position to offer much in the way of front line support.
What people on here seem to have though is money.
The Ukranian National Bank has opened an account whereby people can support their armed forces.
Have posted this link before but here it is again

https://bank.gov.ua/en/news/all/natsionalniy-bank-vidkriv-spetsrahunok-dlya-zboru-koshtiv-na-potrebi-armiyi

Stevo_666

rjsterry said:

Stevo_666 said:

DeVlaeminck said:

The Intelligence and Security Committee report was critical of the govt approach to Russian influence in British politics. It found they had "actively avoided" looking for evidence of interference.

I don't think there's much doubt that at the very least this govt has been slack in recognising the Russian threat.

The stats on frozen assets would suggest otherwise, no?

Slack as in the invasion of Ukraine started in 2014.
FFS, Russia carried out successful and attempted assassinations on British soil and *still* we did f*** all about it. In fact, May went on a girls night out with the wife of one of Putin's ministers.

So yes. Slack. Playing catch up now that we are in the sh*t does not wash away 2 or 3 decades of cozying up to this tyrant.

If the Russians bought off the government it's looking like a very bad investment.

pangolin

Stevo_666 said:

pangolin said:

Stevo_666 said:

pangolin said:

Stevo_666 said:

pangolin said:

Stevo_666 said:

ballysmate said:

veronese68 said:

Maybe one of the Tory fanboys could explain why Lebedev was given a peerage, in spite of it being flagged as a security risk. There's an article about it in that left wing rag The Times.

No intention of defending it. It was wrong.
My point was that the opinion on here that the UK wasn't pulling its weight sanction wise was wrong.
I point out that even the Russians say that we are the main or at least one of the major nations that are squeezing the lie out of the Russian economy and even that is twisted to be a snipe at the Foreign Sec.

As regards being a Tory fanboy, if there weren't millions of us back in 2019, Jezza would have been PM and us on the way out of NATO, to be in the same sort of position, alliance wise as somebody like, erm, Ukraine.

No thanks asked.

I don't see anyone making a serious effort to rebut the facts on asset freezing. Funny that. Seems like there's a bit of diversion going on. Hopefully this thread won't turn out like so many others do and descend into a whiney tory bashing thread when the real enemy is further east.

Real enemy or trusted source Stevo? Make your mind up.

Bizarre that you guys are taking Russian claims that the naughty Brits sanctions are hurting them at face value.

Where are these Russian claims? The stats came from a UK newspaper. What are your thoughts on those stats?

Bally quoted Maria Zakharova as evidence we are doing well. You commented on it a few posts later.

Her job is "Director of the Information and Press Department of the Ministry of Foreign Affairs of the Russian Federation."

Fits the narrative though so crack on.

A comment on the frozen asset stats would be good. Beats trying to divert.

"Don't divert!" He cried while desperately diverting.

The article doesn't give much to go on. It's just repeating govt claims about figures, but as we have seen they are liars so I'd expect some actual investigation. It says the bigger figure is because we are targeting banks bit individuals.

- are other nations not doing this, or are the sums involved just smaller because they're not so cozied up with Russians?
- is the freezing immediate or part of the things we've given notice we're going to do?
- why are we not targeting banks _and_ individuals?
- if we're doing so much "better" why did home officer minister tell reporters it wasn't a competition only a couple of days ago, when asked why we weren't doing as much as the EU?

And again...

- why on earth are you taking what the Russian director of information and press has to say on the matter as fact?

I'm not doing anything of the sort, no idea why you think that. I quoted some figures on assets frozen and asked you to comment. I see no evidence evidence above to discredit the numbers or to put forward alternatives.

Alright well I've commented and asked you several questions, clearly you can't answer any of them.

pangolin

Stevo_666 said:

ballysmate said:

pangolin said:

Stevo_666 said:

ballysmate said:

veronese68 said:

Maybe one of the Tory fanboys could explain why Lebedev was given a peerage, in spite of it being flagged as a security risk. There's an article about it in that left wing rag The Times.

No intention of defending it. It was wrong.
My point was that the opinion on here that the UK wasn't pulling its weight sanction wise was wrong.
I point out that even the Russians say that we are the main or at least one of the major nations that are squeezing the lie out of the Russian economy and even that is twisted to be a snipe at the Foreign Sec.

As regards being a Tory fanboy, if there weren't millions of us back in 2019, Jezza would have been PM and us on the way out of NATO, to be in the same sort of position, alliance wise as somebody like, erm, Ukraine.

No thanks asked.

I don't see anyone making a serious effort to rebut the facts on asset freezing. Funny that. Seems like there's a bit of diversion going on. Hopefully this thread won't turn out like so many others do and descend into a whiney tory bashing thread when the real enemy is further east.

Real enemy or trusted source Stevo? Make your mind up.

Bizarre that you guys are taking Russian claims that the naughty Brits sanctions are hurting them at face value.

So you don't believe that freezing hundreds of billions of assets are hurting them?

Not if he's trying to divert from the point I am making

You're not making a point though, you're just repeating claims the government is making, on a topic they have been shown to lie about.

pangolin

Fair play to all the Russians protesting.

mrb123

thegreatdivide said:

John Simpson shared this on Twitter. It’s a long watch but F@CKIN HELL!!!

https://www.reddit.com/r/ukraine/comments/t7cbkj/another_interview_with_captured_russians_if_this/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=mweb3x

What were the main points of interest?

briantrumpet

pangolin said:

Fair play to all the Russians protesting.

It's quite extraordinary. 4,553 detained just today, apparently. They're having to be super-careful in Moscow.

https://twitter.com/AlexKokcharov/status/1500555598059954178

https://twitter.com/JamesAALongman/status/1500437354154180610

rjsterry

Stevo_666 said:

pangolin said:

Stevo_666 said:

pangolin said:

Stevo_666 said:

pangolin said:

Stevo_666 said:

ballysmate said:

veronese68 said:

Maybe one of the Tory fanboys could explain why Lebedev was given a peerage, in spite of it being flagged as a security risk. There's an article about it in that left wing rag The Times.

No intention of defending it. It was wrong.
My point was that the opinion on here that the UK wasn't pulling its weight sanction wise was wrong.
I point out that even the Russians say that we are the main or at least one of the major nations that are squeezing the lie out of the Russian economy and even that is twisted to be a snipe at the Foreign Sec.

As regards being a Tory fanboy, if there weren't millions of us back in 2019, Jezza would have been PM and us on the way out of NATO, to be in the same sort of position, alliance wise as somebody like, erm, Ukraine.

No thanks asked.

I don't see anyone making a serious effort to rebut the facts on asset freezing. Funny that. Seems like there's a bit of diversion going on. Hopefully this thread won't turn out like so many others do and descend into a whiney tory bashing thread when the real enemy is further east.

Real enemy or trusted source Stevo? Make your mind up.

Bizarre that you guys are taking Russian claims that the naughty Brits sanctions are hurting them at face value.

Where are these Russian claims? The stats came from a UK newspaper. What are your thoughts on those stats?

Bally quoted Maria Zakharova as evidence we are doing well. You commented on it a few posts later.

Her job is "Director of the Information and Press Department of the Ministry of Foreign Affairs of the Russian Federation."

Fits the narrative though so crack on.

A comment on the frozen asset stats would be good. Beats trying to divert.

"Don't divert!" He cried while desperately diverting.

The article doesn't give much to go on. It's just repeating govt claims about figures, but as we have seen they are liars so I'd expect some actual investigation. It says the bigger figure is because we are targeting banks bit individuals.

- are other nations not doing this, or are the sums involved just smaller because they're not so cozied up with Russians?
- is the freezing immediate or part of the things we've given notice we're going to do?
- why are we not targeting banks _and_ individuals?
- if we're doing so much "better" why did home officer minister tell reporters it wasn't a competition only a couple of days ago, when asked why we weren't doing as much as the EU?

And again...

- why on earth are you taking what the Russian director of information and press has to say on the matter as fact?

I'm not doing anything of the sort, no idea why you think that. I quoted some figures on assets frozen and asked you to comment. I see no evidence evidence above to discredit the numbers or to put forward alternatives.

They are partial information and don't tell the full story. The numbers are only amounts frozen within Russian banks. That is quite different from sanctions on individuals which are still in the process of being legislated, let alone implemented. There's £1.5bn of London property owned by Russians + at least one football club, all still sat there. One also has to ask why there is so much money to seize given that Russia has been acting like this since 2014.

thegreatdivide

https://news.sky.com/video/share-12559056

Great analysis.

briantrumpet

thegreatdivide said:

https://news.sky.com/video/share-12559056

Great analysis.

Indeed. Good questioning and insightful responses.

rjsterry

Stevo_666 said:

rjsterry said:

Stevo_666 said:

DeVlaeminck said:

The Intelligence and Security Committee report was critical of the govt approach to Russian influence in British politics. It found they had "actively avoided" looking for evidence of interference.

I don't think there's much doubt that at the very least this govt has been slack in recognising the Russian threat.

The stats on frozen assets would suggest otherwise, no?

Slack as in the invasion of Ukraine started in 2014.
FFS, Russia carried out successful and attempted assassinations on British soil and *still* we did f*** all about it. In fact, May went on a girls night out with the wife of one of Putin's ministers.

So yes. Slack. Playing catch up now that we are in the sh*t does not wash away 2 or 3 decades of cozying up to this tyrant.

If the Russians bought off the government it's looking like a very bad investment.

There's no if. They've managed to have 30 years free run, occupy part of another country for 8 years, bomb another to dust in return for being allowed a base in the Med, a seat in the HoL, and still time to liquidate their assets now. Oh, and the West is *still* buying their gas. So no: I reckon they've done pretty well.

Stevo_666

pangolin said:

Stevo_666 said:

pangolin said:

Stevo_666 said:

pangolin said:

Stevo_666 said:

pangolin said:

Stevo_666 said:

ballysmate said:

veronese68 said:

Maybe one of the Tory fanboys could explain why Lebedev was given a peerage, in spite of it being flagged as a security risk. There's an article about it in that left wing rag The Times.

No intention of defending it. It was wrong.
My point was that the opinion on here that the UK wasn't pulling its weight sanction wise was wrong.
I point out that even the Russians say that we are the main or at least one of the major nations that are squeezing the lie out of the Russian economy and even that is twisted to be a snipe at the Foreign Sec.

As regards being a Tory fanboy, if there weren't millions of us back in 2019, Jezza would have been PM and us on the way out of NATO, to be in the same sort of position, alliance wise as somebody like, erm, Ukraine.

No thanks asked.

I don't see anyone making a serious effort to rebut the facts on asset freezing. Funny that. Seems like there's a bit of diversion going on. Hopefully this thread won't turn out like so many others do and descend into a whiney tory bashing thread when the real enemy is further east.

Real enemy or trusted source Stevo? Make your mind up.

Bizarre that you guys are taking Russian claims that the naughty Brits sanctions are hurting them at face value.

Where are these Russian claims? The stats came from a UK newspaper. What are your thoughts on those stats?

Bally quoted Maria Zakharova as evidence we are doing well. You commented on it a few posts later.

Her job is "Director of the Information and Press Department of the Ministry of Foreign Affairs of the Russian Federation."

Fits the narrative though so crack on.

A comment on the frozen asset stats would be good. Beats trying to divert.

"Don't divert!" He cried while desperately diverting.

The article doesn't give much to go on. It's just repeating govt claims about figures, but as we have seen they are liars so I'd expect some actual investigation. It says the bigger figure is because we are targeting banks bit individuals.

- are other nations not doing this, or are the sums involved just smaller because they're not so cozied up with Russians?
- is the freezing immediate or part of the things we've given notice we're going to do?
- why are we not targeting banks _and_ individuals?
- if we're doing so much "better" why did home officer minister tell reporters it wasn't a competition only a couple of days ago, when asked why we weren't doing as much as the EU?

And again...

- why on earth are you taking what the Russian director of information and press has to say on the matter as fact?

I'm not doing anything of the sort, no idea why you think that. I quoted some figures on assets frozen and asked you to comment. I see no evidence evidence above to discredit the numbers or to put forward alternatives.

Alright well I've commented and asked you several questions, clearly you can't answer any of them.

You're asking questions instead of answering answering mine. Try again.

Stevo_666

rjsterry said:

Stevo_666 said:

rjsterry said:

Stevo_666 said:

DeVlaeminck said:

The Intelligence and Security Committee report was critical of the govt approach to Russian influence in British politics. It found they had "actively avoided" looking for evidence of interference.

I don't think there's much doubt that at the very least this govt has been slack in recognising the Russian threat.

The stats on frozen assets would suggest otherwise, no?

Slack as in the invasion of Ukraine started in 2014.
FFS, Russia carried out successful and attempted assassinations on British soil and *still* we did f*** all about it. In fact, May went on a girls night out with the wife of one of Putin's ministers.

So yes. Slack. Playing catch up now that we are in the sh*t does not wash away 2 or 3 decades of cozying up to this tyrant.

If the Russians bought off the government it's looking like a very bad investment.

There's no if. They've managed to have 30 years free run, occupy part of another country for 8 years, bomb another to dust in return for being allowed a base in the Med, a seat in the HoL, and still time to liquidate their assets now, so I reckon they've done alright.

I'm talking about now.

Stevo_666

pangolin said:

Stevo_666 said:

ballysmate said:

pangolin said:

Stevo_666 said:

ballysmate said:

veronese68 said:

Maybe one of the Tory fanboys could explain why Lebedev was given a peerage, in spite of it being flagged as a security risk. There's an article about it in that left wing rag The Times.

No intention of defending it. It was wrong.
My point was that the opinion on here that the UK wasn't pulling its weight sanction wise was wrong.
I point out that even the Russians say that we are the main or at least one of the major nations that are squeezing the lie out of the Russian economy and even that is twisted to be a snipe at the Foreign Sec.

As regards being a Tory fanboy, if there weren't millions of us back in 2019, Jezza would have been PM and us on the way out of NATO, to be in the same sort of position, alliance wise as somebody like, erm, Ukraine.

No thanks asked.

I don't see anyone making a serious effort to rebut the facts on asset freezing. Funny that. Seems like there's a bit of diversion going on. Hopefully this thread won't turn out like so many others do and descend into a whiney tory bashing thread when the real enemy is further east.

Real enemy or trusted source Stevo? Make your mind up.

Bizarre that you guys are taking Russian claims that the naughty Brits sanctions are hurting them at face value.

So you don't believe that freezing hundreds of billions of assets are hurting them?

Not if he's trying to divert from the point I am making

You're not making a point though, you're just repeating claims the government is making, on a topic they have been shown to lie about.

Wrong. Again.

crescent

briantrumpet said:

thegreatdivide said:

https://news.sky.com/video/share-12559056

Great analysis.

Indeed. Good questioning and insightful responses.

Agreed. There is another recent interview (BBC, I think) with Admiral Radakin which is also very good.

Stevo_666

Stevo_666 said:

Interesting fact on which country has frozen the most Russian bank assets to date:
https://telegraph.co.uk/politics/2022/03/05/britain-freezes-russian-bank-assets-country-world/

Quote:
"Britain has frozen more Russian bank assets than any other country as part of the international wave of sanctions against Vladimir Putin’s invasion of Ukraine, ministers have said.

The Foreign Office revealed the UK had frozen a total of £258.8 billion of bank assets, compared to £240 billion by the US and £33.8 billion by the EU."

Not sure where this rhetoric comes from that we aren't pulling our weight in this area.

This is my original post on the subject for pangolin - in case you 'accidentally' get diverted onto a different subject. Let's see some counter evidence, if you have any? So far I have seen nothing.

pangolin

Stevo_666 said:

pangolin said:

Stevo_666 said:

pangolin said:

Stevo_666 said:

pangolin said:

Stevo_666 said:

pangolin said:

Stevo_666 said:

ballysmate said:

veronese68 said:

Maybe one of the Tory fanboys could explain why Lebedev was given a peerage, in spite of it being flagged as a security risk. There's an article about it in that left wing rag The Times.

No intention of defending it. It was wrong.
My point was that the opinion on here that the UK wasn't pulling its weight sanction wise was wrong.
I point out that even the Russians say that we are the main or at least one of the major nations that are squeezing the lie out of the Russian economy and even that is twisted to be a snipe at the Foreign Sec.

As regards being a Tory fanboy, if there weren't millions of us back in 2019, Jezza would have been PM and us on the way out of NATO, to be in the same sort of position, alliance wise as somebody like, erm, Ukraine.

No thanks asked.

I don't see anyone making a serious effort to rebut the facts on asset freezing. Funny that. Seems like there's a bit of diversion going on. Hopefully this thread won't turn out like so many others do and descend into a whiney tory bashing thread when the real enemy is further east.

Real enemy or trusted source Stevo? Make your mind up.

Bizarre that you guys are taking Russian claims that the naughty Brits sanctions are hurting them at face value.

Where are these Russian claims? The stats came from a UK newspaper. What are your thoughts on those stats?

Bally quoted Maria Zakharova as evidence we are doing well. You commented on it a few posts later.

Her job is "Director of the Information and Press Department of the Ministry of Foreign Affairs of the Russian Federation."

Fits the narrative though so crack on.

A comment on the frozen asset stats would be good. Beats trying to divert.

"Don't divert!" He cried while desperately diverting.

The article doesn't give much to go on. It's just repeating govt claims about figures, but as we have seen they are liars so I'd expect some actual investigation. It says the bigger figure is because we are targeting banks bit individuals.

- are other nations not doing this, or are the sums involved just smaller because they're not so cozied up with Russians?
- is the freezing immediate or part of the things we've given notice we're going to do?
- why are we not targeting banks _and_ individuals?
- if we're doing so much "better" why did home officer minister tell reporters it wasn't a competition only a couple of days ago, when asked why we weren't doing as much as the EU?

And again...

- why on earth are you taking what the Russian director of information and press has to say on the matter as fact?

I'm not doing anything of the sort, no idea why you think that. I quoted some figures on assets frozen and asked you to comment. I see no evidence evidence above to discredit the numbers or to put forward alternatives.

Alright well I've commented and asked you several questions, clearly you can't answer any of them.

You're asking questions instead of answering answering mine. Try again.

2nd para was me answering you...

Plenty of others have asked you similar stuff. Not sure why we all owe you an answer (to what? "Comment on the figures"...? They're vague and come from proven liars. That's my comment) and the same doesn't apply to you.

I'll leave you to it.

rjsterry

Stevo_666 said:

rjsterry said:

Stevo_666 said:

rjsterry said:

Stevo_666 said:

DeVlaeminck said:

The Intelligence and Security Committee report was critical of the govt approach to Russian influence in British politics. It found they had "actively avoided" looking for evidence of interference.

I don't think there's much doubt that at the very least this govt has been slack in recognising the Russian threat.

The stats on frozen assets would suggest otherwise, no?

Slack as in the invasion of Ukraine started in 2014.
FFS, Russia carried out successful and attempted assassinations on British soil and *still* we did f*** all about it. In fact, May went on a girls night out with the wife of one of Putin's ministers.

So yes. Slack. Playing catch up now that we are in the sh*t does not wash away 2 or 3 decades of cozying up to this tyrant.

If the Russians bought off the government it's looking like a very bad investment.

There's no if. They've managed to have 30 years free run, occupy part of another country for 8 years, bomb another to dust in return for being allowed a base in the Med, a seat in the HoL, and still time to liquidate their assets now, so I reckon they've done alright.

I'm talking about now.

So am I. They were still taking Russian donations as Putin was massing his troops on the border. Now, they still have the opportunity to liquidate assets - property, football clubs, etc. - and Lebedev is still in the HoL. Sure the opportunity for further tennis matches with Johnson has probably now gone.

Jezyboy

I'm talking about now.

"and still time to liquidate their assets now"

So is rjsterry.

Stevo_666

pangolin said:

Stevo_666 said:

pangolin said:

Stevo_666 said:

pangolin said:

Stevo_666 said:

pangolin said:

Stevo_666 said:

pangolin said:

Stevo_666 said:

ballysmate said:

veronese68 said:

Maybe one of the Tory fanboys could explain why Lebedev was given a peerage, in spite of it being flagged as a security risk. There's an article about it in that left wing rag The Times.

No intention of defending it. It was wrong.
My point was that the opinion on here that the UK wasn't pulling its weight sanction wise was wrong.
I point out that even the Russians say that we are the main or at least one of the major nations that are squeezing the lie out of the Russian economy and even that is twisted to be a snipe at the Foreign Sec.

As regards being a Tory fanboy, if there weren't millions of us back in 2019, Jezza would have been PM and us on the way out of NATO, to be in the same sort of position, alliance wise as somebody like, erm, Ukraine.

No thanks asked.

I don't see anyone making a serious effort to rebut the facts on asset freezing. Funny that. Seems like there's a bit of diversion going on. Hopefully this thread won't turn out like so many others do and descend into a whiney tory bashing thread when the real enemy is further east.

Real enemy or trusted source Stevo? Make your mind up.

Bizarre that you guys are taking Russian claims that the naughty Brits sanctions are hurting them at face value.

Where are these Russian claims? The stats came from a UK newspaper. What are your thoughts on those stats?

Bally quoted Maria Zakharova as evidence we are doing well. You commented on it a few posts later.

Her job is "Director of the Information and Press Department of the Ministry of Foreign Affairs of the Russian Federation."

Fits the narrative though so crack on.

A comment on the frozen asset stats would be good. Beats trying to divert.

"Don't divert!" He cried while desperately diverting.

The article doesn't give much to go on. It's just repeating govt claims about figures, but as we have seen they are liars so I'd expect some actual investigation. It says the bigger figure is because we are targeting banks bit individuals.

- are other nations not doing this, or are the sums involved just smaller because they're not so cozied up with Russians?
- is the freezing immediate or part of the things we've given notice we're going to do?
- why are we not targeting banks _and_ individuals?
- if we're doing so much "better" why did home officer minister tell reporters it wasn't a competition only a couple of days ago, when asked why we weren't doing as much as the EU?

And again...

- why on earth are you taking what the Russian director of information and press has to say on the matter as fact?

I'm not doing anything of the sort, no idea why you think that. I quoted some figures on assets frozen and asked you to comment. I see no evidence evidence above to discredit the numbers or to put forward alternatives.

Alright well I've commented and asked you several questions, clearly you can't answer any of them.

You're asking questions instead of answering answering mine. Try again.

2nd para was me answering you...

Plenty of others have asked you similar stuff. Not sure why we all owe you an answer (to what? "Comment on the figures"...? They're vague and come from proven liars. That's my comment) and the same doesn't apply to you.

I'll leave you to it.

Prove those facts are wrong then, should be easy if they are proven liars. Your move.

rick_chasey

When drug dealers are arrested their stuff gets seized by the police and sold at auction by the state.

Should do the same with Chelsea. No different.

His lawyer admitted basically that in a British court no less.

pangolin

Stevo_666 said:

pangolin said:

Stevo_666 said:

pangolin said:

Stevo_666 said:

pangolin said:

Stevo_666 said:

pangolin said:

Stevo_666 said:

pangolin said:

Stevo_666 said:

ballysmate said:

veronese68 said:

Maybe one of the Tory fanboys could explain why Lebedev was given a peerage, in spite of it being flagged as a security risk. There's an article about it in that left wing rag The Times.

No intention of defending it. It was wrong.
My point was that the opinion on here that the UK wasn't pulling its weight sanction wise was wrong.
I point out that even the Russians say that we are the main or at least one of the major nations that are squeezing the lie out of the Russian economy and even that is twisted to be a snipe at the Foreign Sec.

As regards being a Tory fanboy, if there weren't millions of us back in 2019, Jezza would have been PM and us on the way out of NATO, to be in the same sort of position, alliance wise as somebody like, erm, Ukraine.

No thanks asked.

I don't see anyone making a serious effort to rebut the facts on asset freezing. Funny that. Seems like there's a bit of diversion going on. Hopefully this thread won't turn out like so many others do and descend into a whiney tory bashing thread when the real enemy is further east.

Real enemy or trusted source Stevo? Make your mind up.

Bizarre that you guys are taking Russian claims that the naughty Brits sanctions are hurting them at face value.

Where are these Russian claims? The stats came from a UK newspaper. What are your thoughts on those stats?

Bally quoted Maria Zakharova as evidence we are doing well. You commented on it a few posts later.

Her job is "Director of the Information and Press Department of the Ministry of Foreign Affairs of the Russian Federation."

Fits the narrative though so crack on.

A comment on the frozen asset stats would be good. Beats trying to divert.

"Don't divert!" He cried while desperately diverting.

The article doesn't give much to go on. It's just repeating govt claims about figures, but as we have seen they are liars so I'd expect some actual investigation. It says the bigger figure is because we are targeting banks bit individuals.

- are other nations not doing this, or are the sums involved just smaller because they're not so cozied up with Russians?
- is the freezing immediate or part of the things we've given notice we're going to do?
- why are we not targeting banks _and_ individuals?
- if we're doing so much "better" why did home officer minister tell reporters it wasn't a competition only a couple of days ago, when asked why we weren't doing as much as the EU?

And again...

- why on earth are you taking what the Russian director of information and press has to say on the matter as fact?

I'm not doing anything of the sort, no idea why you think that. I quoted some figures on assets frozen and asked you to comment. I see no evidence evidence above to discredit the numbers or to put forward alternatives.

Alright well I've commented and asked you several questions, clearly you can't answer any of them.

You're asking questions instead of answering answering mine. Try again.

2nd para was me answering you...

Plenty of others have asked you similar stuff. Not sure why we all owe you an answer (to what? "Comment on the figures"...? They're vague and come from proven liars. That's my comment) and the same doesn't apply to you.

I'll leave you to it.

Prove those facts are wrong then, should be easy if they are proven liars. Your move.

As Veronese and others have mentioned, the office of statistics have the job of fact checking them and keep having to step in.

tailwindhome

rick_chasey said:

When drug dealers are arrested their stuff gets seized by the police and sold at auction by the state.

Should do the same with Chelsea. No different.

His lawyer admitted basically that in a British court no less.

The UK will seize more Chelsea Footballer Club's than the EU and US put together.

kingstongraham

Stevo_666 said:

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What's the source for the EU number? Does it include the central bank?

And does the UK number include the bank we are giving 30 days grace to?

You'd need to ask the person who wrote the article. It's reasonable to assume it's been done on a consistent basis. Unless you know otherwise?

They are figures put out by the UK government or the Conservative party, I'm not sure which, and dutifully propagated by the Telegraph. I don't think it's reasonable to accept them at face value.

Which paper would it need to be in for you to believe the report?

I'd be interested to see any counter evidence you have rather than a vague feeling that the info came from the 'wrong' source.

Just asked for some explanation of what each number is. Is it in the article?

tailwindhome

https://twitter.com/DPhinnemore/status/1500582218925809675?t=4jFMx_BLn25AYwnZDkdk0w&s=19

kingstongraham

Anyway it sounds like a good thing, but it's very like this government to say "no we haven't done that, but we've done this, why aren't you happy yet?".

The EU were slow, and half hearted for too long. That doesn't let off our government being slow and half hearted.

Stevo_666

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veronese68 said:

Maybe one of the Tory fanboys could explain why Lebedev was given a peerage, in spite of it being flagged as a security risk. There's an article about it in that left wing rag The Times.

No intention of defending it. It was wrong.
My point was that the opinion on here that the UK wasn't pulling its weight sanction wise was wrong.
I point out that even the Russians say that we are the main or at least one of the major nations that are squeezing the lie out of the Russian economy and even that is twisted to be a snipe at the Foreign Sec.

As regards being a Tory fanboy, if there weren't millions of us back in 2019, Jezza would have been PM and us on the way out of NATO, to be in the same sort of position, alliance wise as somebody like, erm, Ukraine.

No thanks asked.

I don't see anyone making a serious effort to rebut the facts on asset freezing. Funny that. Seems like there's a bit of diversion going on. Hopefully this thread won't turn out like so many others do and descend into a whiney tory bashing thread when the real enemy is further east.

Real enemy or trusted source Stevo? Make your mind up.

Bizarre that you guys are taking Russian claims that the naughty Brits sanctions are hurting them at face value.

Where are these Russian claims? The stats came from a UK newspaper. What are your thoughts on those stats?

Bally quoted Maria Zakharova as evidence we are doing well. You commented on it a few posts later.

Her job is "Director of the Information and Press Department of the Ministry of Foreign Affairs of the Russian Federation."

Fits the narrative though so crack on.

A comment on the frozen asset stats would be good. Beats trying to divert.

"Don't divert!" He cried while desperately diverting.

The article doesn't give much to go on. It's just repeating govt claims about figures, but as we have seen they are liars so I'd expect some actual investigation. It says the bigger figure is because we are targeting banks bit individuals.

- are other nations not doing this, or are the sums involved just smaller because they're not so cozied up with Russians?
- is the freezing immediate or part of the things we've given notice we're going to do?
- why are we not targeting banks _and_ individuals?
- if we're doing so much "better" why did home officer minister tell reporters it wasn't a competition only a couple of days ago, when asked why we weren't doing as much as the EU?

And again...

- why on earth are you taking what the Russian director of information and press has to say on the matter as fact?

I'm not doing anything of the sort, no idea why you think that. I quoted some figures on assets frozen and asked you to comment. I see no evidence evidence above to discredit the numbers or to put forward alternatives.

Alright well I've commented and asked you several questions, clearly you can't answer any of them.

You're asking questions instead of answering answering mine. Try again.

2nd para was me answering you...

Plenty of others have asked you similar stuff. Not sure why we all owe you an answer (to what? "Comment on the figures"...? They're vague and come from proven liars. That's my comment) and the same doesn't apply to you.

I'll leave you to it.

Prove those facts are wrong then, should be easy if they are proven liars. Your move.

As Veronese and others have mentioned, the office of statistics have the job of fact checking them and keep having to step in.

In this specific case?

Stevo_666

kingstongraham said:

Anyway it sounds like a good thing, but it's very like this government to say "no we haven't done that, but we've done this, why aren't you happy yet?".

The EU were slow, and half hearted for too long. That doesn't let off our government being slow and half hearted.

Clearly there is more that can be done. Just pointing out a positive point about what has been done so far. As ever in Cake Stop, some people don't like that.

shirley_basso

Fuck me

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