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Slack as in the invasion of Ukraine started in 2014.Stevo_666 said:
The stats on frozen assets would suggest otherwise, no?DeVlaeminck said:The Intelligence and Security Committee report was critical of the govt approach to Russian influence in British politics. It found they had "actively avoided" looking for evidence of interference.
I don't think there's much doubt that at the very least this govt has been slack in recognising the Russian threat.
FFS, Russia carried out successful and attempted assassinations on British soil and *still* we did f*** all about it. In fact, May went on a girls night out with the wife of one of Putin's ministers.
So yes. Slack. Playing catch up now that we are in the sh*t does not wash away 2 or 3 decades of cozying up to this tyrant.1985 Mercian King of Mercia - work in progress (Hah! Who am I kidding?)
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I tried to move this away from the Putin thread, but as you ask. I don't believe them. But I don't know the exact figure so you can chalk that up as a win if you like.Stevo_666 said:
Bally beat me to it. I'd be interested to know your thoughts on the stats above about the amount of frozen Russian assets though.veronese68 said:Maybe one of the Tory fanboys could explain why Lebedev was given a peerage, in spite of it being flagged as a security risk. There's an article about it in that left wing rag The Times.
Johnson claimed to have put sanctions in against 100 people in a week, the true figure was 15. He's a known liar that has been sacked on more than one occasion for telling porkies. I don't believe that has changed. The office of statistics has said they've had to intervene more with this government than ever before, and repeatedly on the same points. That's not a good thing, shows they are happy to continue lying in full knowledge of the facts.
Trying to get this back on topic, Putin trades in misinformation and causing instability. Backing this lot of Tories and Trump help with that.1 -
Unverified, but certainly fits with an unmotivated military effectively tricked into invading by their commander in chief.
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In this case pedantry matters.Stevo_666 said:
Bally beat me to it. I'd be interested to know your thoughts on the stats above about the amount of frozen Russian assets though.veronese68 said:Maybe one of the Tory fanboys could explain why Lebedev was given a peerage, in spite of it being flagged as a security risk. There's an article about it in that left wing rag The Times.
The DT article refers to banking assets so whilst it will be a lie it is entirely possible that it is multiples of the EU for banking assets because they have none to freeze.0 -
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More and more convinced Putin is just feeling genocidal.
That the temerity to fight the Russians means that Ukraines inhabitants ought to be all killed.0 -
Rick
Please stop being such a worry wart and spreading worry wartness on here.
.The camera down the willy isn't anything like as bad as it sounds.
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Not trying to claim any glory. I think it was one of the MFs who brought up the 2019 election and how the electorate were too blinkered. He seemed to have developed amnesia as to what the alternative would have been.rjsterry said:
The Conservatives were in bed with the Russians* long before Corbyn was even an option. And the fact that he would have been even worse in this situation is not an excuse to sit back and claim some glory.ballysmate said:veronese68 said:Maybe one of the Tory fanboys could explain why Lebedev was given a peerage, in spite of it being flagged as a security risk. There's an article about it in that left wing rag The Times.
No intention of defending it. It was wrong.
My point was that the opinion on here that the UK wasn't pulling its weight sanction wise was wrong.
I point out that even the Russians say that we are the main or at least one of the major nations that are squeezing the lie out of the Russian economy and even that is twisted to be a snipe at the Foreign Sec.
As regards being a Tory fanboy, if there weren't millions of us back in 2019, Jezza would have been PM and us on the way out of NATO, to be in the same sort of position, alliance wise as somebody like, erm, Ukraine.
No thanks asked.
*I would not be at all surprised if someone found Russian interference in other parties as well. Encouraging parties to waste their energies on fighting each other is exactly what they would want.
Being as the thread was concentrating on the effectiveness or lack thereof of UK sanctions, I would be interested to see the workings of anyone suggesting that the UKs response would have been more robust if the Tories had lost.
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They are figures put out by the UK government or the Conservative party, I'm not sure which, and dutifully propagated by the Telegraph. I don't think it's reasonable to accept them at face value.Stevo_666 said:
You'd need to ask the person who wrote the article. It's reasonable to assume it's been done on a consistent basis. Unless you know otherwise?kingstongraham said:What's the source for the EU number? Does it include the central bank?
And does the UK number include the bank we are giving 30 days grace to?0 -
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-10582905/Belarus-deputy-minister-QUITS-Ukraine-war.html
Apparently facing sanctions from the UK.0 -
and in tbe same above article from the filthly daily heil, AIIB withdrawing support from Russia.
The camera down the willy isn't anything like as bad as it sounds.
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he just looks like a fat forestry official.ballysmate said:https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-10582905/Belarus-deputy-minister-QUITS-Ukraine-war.html
Apparently facing sanctions from the UK..The camera down the willy isn't anything like as bad as it sounds.
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Evidence seems to be mounting that Russians are deliberately targeting civilians. (Take a look at the NYT front page tomorrow - I won’t post the image as it’s a woman and her child who were shot dead fleeing)
More than just indiscriminate bombing but now shooting people who are obviously civilians.
Multiple shellings of the “civilian corridor”
The attempt at genocide begins in earnest.0 -
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The camera down the willy isn't anything like as bad as it sounds.
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rick_chasey said:
Evidence seems to be mounting that Russians are deliberately targeting civilians. (Take a look at the NYT front page tomorrow - I won’t post the image as it’s a woman and her child who were shot dead fleeing)
More than just indiscriminate bombing but now shooting people who are obviously civilians.
Multiple shellings of the “civilian corridor”
The attempt at genocide begins in earnest.
It's fairly obvious they are trying to terrorise the population into leaving. They are trying to take control of all power production too, so they can make everything grind to a standstill. I think one can assume that Putin will lie at every turn, and won't follow any 'rules of engagement'.0 -
The courage of Zelenskyy has inspired the entire world, but even he would be impressed with the rearguard action on this thread to protect the good name of the Conservative and Unionist Party of Great Britain
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tailwindhome said:
The courage of Zelenskyy has inspired the entire world, but even he would be impressed with the rearguard action on this thread to protect the good name of the Conservative and Unionist Party of Great Britain
Congrats, you've got a phantom phlagger.2 -
I'm not doing anything of the sort, no idea why you think that. I quoted some figures on assets frozen and asked you to comment. I see no evidence evidence above to discredit the numbers or to put forward alternatives.pangolin said:
"Don't divert!" He cried while desperately diverting.Stevo_666 said:
A comment on the frozen asset stats would be good. Beats trying to divert.pangolin said:
Bally quoted Maria Zakharova as evidence we are doing well. You commented on it a few posts later.Stevo_666 said:
Where are these Russian claims? The stats came from a UK newspaper. What are your thoughts on those stats?pangolin said:
Real enemy or trusted source Stevo? Make your mind up.Stevo_666 said:
I don't see anyone making a serious effort to rebut the facts on asset freezing. Funny that. Seems like there's a bit of diversion going on. Hopefully this thread won't turn out like so many others do and descend into a whiney tory bashing thread when the real enemy is further east.ballysmate said:veronese68 said:Maybe one of the Tory fanboys could explain why Lebedev was given a peerage, in spite of it being flagged as a security risk. There's an article about it in that left wing rag The Times.
No intention of defending it. It was wrong.
My point was that the opinion on here that the UK wasn't pulling its weight sanction wise was wrong.
I point out that even the Russians say that we are the main or at least one of the major nations that are squeezing the lie out of the Russian economy and even that is twisted to be a snipe at the Foreign Sec.
As regards being a Tory fanboy, if there weren't millions of us back in 2019, Jezza would have been PM and us on the way out of NATO, to be in the same sort of position, alliance wise as somebody like, erm, Ukraine.
No thanks asked.
Bizarre that you guys are taking Russian claims that the naughty Brits sanctions are hurting them at face value.
Her job is "Director of the Information and Press Department of the Ministry of Foreign Affairs of the Russian Federation."
Fits the narrative though so crack on.
The article doesn't give much to go on. It's just repeating govt claims about figures, but as we have seen they are liars so I'd expect some actual investigation. It says the bigger figure is because we are targeting banks bit individuals.
- are other nations not doing this, or are the sums involved just smaller because they're not so cozied up with Russians?
- is the freezing immediate or part of the things we've given notice we're going to do?
- why are we not targeting banks _and_ individuals?
- if we're doing so much "better" why did home officer minister tell reporters it wasn't a competition only a couple of days ago, when asked why we weren't doing as much as the EU?
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- why on earth are you taking what the Russian director of information and press has to say on the matter as fact?"I spent most of my money on birds, booze and fast cars: the rest of it I just squandered." [George Best]0 -
We all know who it is.briantrumpet said:tailwindhome said:The courage of Zelenskyy has inspired the entire world, but even he would be impressed with the rearguard action on this thread to protect the good name of the Conservative and Unionist Party of Great Britain
Congrats, you've got a phantom phlagger.0 -
Just for info, I am going not on what she said - didn't even read it. I'm was going on the Russians having a go at the UK - the recent trolling of Liz Truss in particular who is advocating a harder stance.pangolin said:
Bally quoted Maria Zakharova as evidence we are doing well. You commented on it a few posts later.Stevo_666 said:
Where are these Russian claims? The stats came from a UK newspaper. What are your thoughts on those stats?pangolin said:
Real enemy or trusted source Stevo? Make your mind up.Stevo_666 said:
I don't see anyone making a serious effort to rebut the facts on asset freezing. Funny that. Seems like there's a bit of diversion going on. Hopefully this thread won't turn out like so many others do and descend into a whiney tory bashing thread when the real enemy is further east.ballysmate said:veronese68 said:Maybe one of the Tory fanboys could explain why Lebedev was given a peerage, in spite of it being flagged as a security risk. There's an article about it in that left wing rag The Times.
No intention of defending it. It was wrong.
My point was that the opinion on here that the UK wasn't pulling its weight sanction wise was wrong.
I point out that even the Russians say that we are the main or at least one of the major nations that are squeezing the lie out of the Russian economy and even that is twisted to be a snipe at the Foreign Sec.
As regards being a Tory fanboy, if there weren't millions of us back in 2019, Jezza would have been PM and us on the way out of NATO, to be in the same sort of position, alliance wise as somebody like, erm, Ukraine.
No thanks asked.
Bizarre that you guys are taking Russian claims that the naughty Brits sanctions are hurting them at face value.
Her job is "Director of the Information and Press Department of the Ministry of Foreign Affairs of the Russian Federation."
Fits the narrative though so crack on.
Now get some counter evidence to those numbers - if you can."I spent most of my money on birds, booze and fast cars: the rest of it I just squandered." [George Best]0 -
Let's see if he has 4 matesrick_chasey said:
We all know who it is.briantrumpet said:tailwindhome said:The courage of Zelenskyy has inspired the entire world, but even he would be impressed with the rearguard action on this thread to protect the good name of the Conservative and Unionist Party of Great Britain
Congrats, you've got a phantom phlagger.“New York has the haircuts, London has the trousers, but Belfast has the reason!0 -
John Simpson shared this on Twitter. It’s a long watch but F@CKIN HELL!!!
https://www.reddit.com/r/ukraine/comments/t7cbkj/another_interview_with_captured_russians_if_this/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=mweb3x0 -
Which paper would it need to be in for you to believe the report?kingstongraham said:
They are figures put out by the UK government or the Conservative party, I'm not sure which, and dutifully propagated by the Telegraph. I don't think it's reasonable to accept them at face value.Stevo_666 said:
You'd need to ask the person who wrote the article. It's reasonable to assume it's been done on a consistent basis. Unless you know otherwise?kingstongraham said:What's the source for the EU number? Does it include the central bank?
And does the UK number include the bank we are giving 30 days grace to?
I'd be interested to see any counter evidence you have rather than a vague feeling that the info came from the 'wrong' source."I spent most of my money on birds, booze and fast cars: the rest of it I just squandered." [George Best]0 -
So you don't believe that freezing hundreds of billions of assets are hurting them?pangolin said:
Real enemy or trusted source Stevo? Make your mind up.Stevo_666 said:
I don't see anyone making a serious effort to rebut the facts on asset freezing. Funny that. Seems like there's a bit of diversion going on. Hopefully this thread won't turn out like so many others do and descend into a whiney tory bashing thread when the real enemy is further east.ballysmate said:veronese68 said:Maybe one of the Tory fanboys could explain why Lebedev was given a peerage, in spite of it being flagged as a security risk. There's an article about it in that left wing rag The Times.
No intention of defending it. It was wrong.
My point was that the opinion on here that the UK wasn't pulling its weight sanction wise was wrong.
I point out that even the Russians say that we are the main or at least one of the major nations that are squeezing the lie out of the Russian economy and even that is twisted to be a snipe at the Foreign Sec.
As regards being a Tory fanboy, if there weren't millions of us back in 2019, Jezza would have been PM and us on the way out of NATO, to be in the same sort of position, alliance wise as somebody like, erm, Ukraine.
No thanks asked.
Bizarre that you guys are taking Russian claims that the naughty Brits sanctions are hurting them at face value.0 -
Any info or link to evidence you have to back up your hunch would be useful.surrey_commuter said:
In this case pedantry matters.Stevo_666 said:
Bally beat me to it. I'd be interested to know your thoughts on the stats above about the amount of frozen Russian assets though.veronese68 said:Maybe one of the Tory fanboys could explain why Lebedev was given a peerage, in spite of it being flagged as a security risk. There's an article about it in that left wing rag The Times.
The DT article refers to banking assets so whilst it will be a lie it is entirely possible that it is multiples of the EU for banking assets because they have none to freeze."I spent most of my money on birds, booze and fast cars: the rest of it I just squandered." [George Best]0 -
Perhaps the EU is an economic backwater?Stevo_666 said:
Any info or link to evidence you have to back up your hunch would be useful.surrey_commuter said:
In this case pedantry matters.Stevo_666 said:
Bally beat me to it. I'd be interested to know your thoughts on the stats above about the amount of frozen Russian assets though.veronese68 said:Maybe one of the Tory fanboys could explain why Lebedev was given a peerage, in spite of it being flagged as a security risk. There's an article about it in that left wing rag The Times.
The DT article refers to banking assets so whilst it will be a lie it is entirely possible that it is multiples of the EU for banking assets because they have none to freeze.
Or more seriously, perhaps freezing hundreds of billions of bank assets has more effect than seizing yachts.0 -
they'll give you on the job training if you want.rick_chasey said:
Probably not no. I have no training.MattFalle said:so, you gonna sign up to help stop it?
.The camera down the willy isn't anything like as bad as it sounds.
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and, to be fair, neither do most of the Ukranians, but instead of hand wringing in suburbia they seem to be doing something.rick_chasey said:
Probably not no. I have no training.MattFalle said:so, you gonna sign up to help stop it?
.The camera down the willy isn't anything like as bad as it sounds.
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