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https://www.theguardian.com/world/2022/mar/06/oligarchs-russia-london-web-lawyers-pr-firms-oil-wheels-for-billionaires
including £200,000 minimum to Eton for their library.
Anyone know anyone in the scum party who went to Eaton?
#fucktheTories.The camera down the willy isn't anything like as bad as it sounds.
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Maybe one of the Tory fanboys could explain why Lebedev was given a peerage, in spite of it being flagged as a security risk. There's an article about it in that left wing rag The Times.
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Property ownership usually seems a fair indicator of financial ‘intent’ by the owners. Here’s a map showing 10 sanctioned Russian-domiciled billionaires and the property they own (map focuses on Europe).
Link to original article here:
https://www.forbes.com/sites/giacomotognini/2022/03/05/all-the-overseas-homes-and-mansions-owned-by-sanctioned-russian-billionaires/?sh=216f1c322661
It’s fine to argue that the UK government is doing a good job, but I wouldn’t say they’re outperforming, unless you’re a myopic partisan.
You’re always going to be able to claim you’re cleaning up better than anyone else if your house is filthy.0 -
Good to see that the discussion has moved on from a large scale war in Europe to yet another football supporter style argument about the Tories. Someone should start threads to discuss how bad the Labour and Conservative parties are.....
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It is unfortunately linked and part of the “financial warfare” the west is waging.Pross said:Good to see that the discussion has moved on from a large scale war I Europe to yet another football supported style argument about the Tories. Someone should start threads to discuss how bad the Labour and Conservative parties are.....
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Indeed, and to be filed under we should be doing more, rather than claiming 'we are winning'. There are far too many people losing everything in this situation.rick_chasey said:
It is unfortunately linked and part of the “financial warfare” the west is waging.Pross said:Good to see that the discussion has moved on from a large scale war I Europe to yet another football supported style argument about the Tories. Someone should start threads to discuss how bad the Labour and Conservative parties are.....
Classy.
I think the response and the wriggling from the showerofshit in charge of this country is pathetic.1 -
Can we do more? Yes. Do more, and quickly.
If businesses or individuals have enough time to withdraw investments then it is too late.The above may be fact, or fiction, I may be serious, I may be jesting.
I am not sure. You have no chance.Veronese68 wrote:PB is the most sensible person on here.0 -
Doesn't have to come down to people attacking / defending the respective "teams" though.rick_chasey said:
It is unfortunately linked and part of the “financial warfare” the west is waging.Pross said:Good to see that the discussion has moved on from a large scale war I Europe to yet another football supported style argument about the Tories. Someone should start threads to discuss how bad the Labour and Conservative parties are.....
Classy.
FWIW I think the response is in line with others but I said before all this started these sanctions should have been in place long ago not as a reaction once an invasion happened. It's also disappointing that one of the reasons we allegedly left the EU was to have control on our own laws and yet we aren't acting as fast on sanctions as we should be because we have to amend laws.0 -
this is all part of the big picture.Pross said:Good to see that the discussion has moved on from a large scale war in Europe to yet another football supporter style argument about the Tories. Someone should start threads to discuss how bad the Labour and Conservative parties are.....
Classy.
now don't get me started on tory party cuts to the m.o.d budget considering comments previously made..The camera down the willy isn't anything like as bad as it sounds.
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veronese68 said:
Maybe one of the Tory fanboys could explain why Lebedev was given a peerage, in spite of it being flagged as a security risk. There's an article about it in that left wing rag The Times.
No intention of defending it. It was wrong.
My point was that the opinion on here that the UK wasn't pulling its weight sanction wise was wrong.
I point out that even the Russians say that we are the main or at least one of the major nations that are squeezing the lie out of the Russian economy and even that is twisted to be a snipe at the Foreign Sec.
As regards being a Tory fanboy, if there weren't millions of us back in 2019, Jezza would have been PM and us on the way out of NATO, to be in the same sort of position, alliance wise as somebody like, erm, Ukraine.
No thanks asked.
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utter rubbish.ballysmate said:veronese68 said:Maybe one of the Tory fanboys could explain why Lebedev was given a peerage, in spite of it being flagged as a security risk. There's an article about it in that left wing rag The Times.
No intention of defending it. It was wrong.
My point was that the opinion on here that the UK wasn't pulling its weight sanction wise was wrong.
I point out that even the Russians say that we are the main or at least one of the major nations that are squeezing the lie out of the Russian economy and even that is twisted to be a snipe at the Foreign Sec.
As regards being a Tory fanboy, if there weren't millions of us back in 2019, Jezza would have been PM and us on the way out of NATO, to be in the same sort of position, alliance wise as somebody like, erm, Ukraine.
No thanks asked.
Britain would not have been even close to NATO and schoolchildren may have been fed without a footballer having to get involved.
.The camera down the willy isn't anything like as bad as it sounds.
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Bally beat me to it. I'd be interested to know your thoughts on the stats above about the amount of frozen Russian assets though.veronese68 said:Maybe one of the Tory fanboys could explain why Lebedev was given a peerage, in spite of it being flagged as a security risk. There's an article about it in that left wing rag The Times.
"I spent most of my money on birds, booze and fast cars: the rest of it I just squandered." [George Best]0 -
Got any facts to argue against the stats that I posted?MattFalle said:
not a rant mate and you know it.Stevo_666 said:
I don't think so.MattFalle said:
they own your political party and you seem proud of this.Stevo_666 said:Let's ask the question another way: who is doing Russian financial interests the most damage on this front?
i find tgat quite strange.
Look at the stats in the link above, but don't let them get in the way of a good rant
and yes, they do. tennis and dinner anyone?
tbh though, its a mixture of Russia owning your political and them hiding all their money in offshore companies a la reese - mogg.
at least sunak is happy enough to rub people's noses in his wealth and doesn't try to hide being bribed like de pffeffel."I spent most of my money on birds, booze and fast cars: the rest of it I just squandered." [George Best]0 -
I don't see anyone making a serious effort to rebut the facts on asset freezing. Funny that. Seems like there's a bit of diversion going on. Hopefully this thread won't turn out like so many others do and descend into a whiney tory bashing thread when the real enemy is further east.ballysmate said:veronese68 said:Maybe one of the Tory fanboys could explain why Lebedev was given a peerage, in spite of it being flagged as a security risk. There's an article about it in that left wing rag The Times.
No intention of defending it. It was wrong.
My point was that the opinion on here that the UK wasn't pulling its weight sanction wise was wrong.
I point out that even the Russians say that we are the main or at least one of the major nations that are squeezing the lie out of the Russian economy and even that is twisted to be a snipe at the Foreign Sec.
As regards being a Tory fanboy, if there weren't millions of us back in 2019, Jezza would have been PM and us on the way out of NATO, to be in the same sort of position, alliance wise as somebody like, erm, Ukraine.
No thanks asked."I spent most of my money on birds, booze and fast cars: the rest of it I just squandered." [George Best]0 -
Real enemy or trusted source Stevo? Make your mind up.Stevo_666 said:
I don't see anyone making a serious effort to rebut the facts on asset freezing. Funny that. Seems like there's a bit of diversion going on. Hopefully this thread won't turn out like so many others do and descend into a whiney tory bashing thread when the real enemy is further east.ballysmate said:veronese68 said:Maybe one of the Tory fanboys could explain why Lebedev was given a peerage, in spite of it being flagged as a security risk. There's an article about it in that left wing rag The Times.
No intention of defending it. It was wrong.
My point was that the opinion on here that the UK wasn't pulling its weight sanction wise was wrong.
I point out that even the Russians say that we are the main or at least one of the major nations that are squeezing the lie out of the Russian economy and even that is twisted to be a snipe at the Foreign Sec.
As regards being a Tory fanboy, if there weren't millions of us back in 2019, Jezza would have been PM and us on the way out of NATO, to be in the same sort of position, alliance wise as somebody like, erm, Ukraine.
No thanks asked.
Bizarre that you guys are taking Russian claims that the naughty Brits sanctions are hurting them at face value.- Genesis Croix de Fer
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Maybe pipe down on Bally's point, as a Corbyn voter.Stevo_666 said:
Bally beat me to it. I'd be interested to know your thoughts on the stats above about the amount of frozen Russian assets though.veronese68 said:Maybe one of the Tory fanboys could explain why Lebedev was given a peerage, in spite of it being flagged as a security risk. There's an article about it in that left wing rag The Times.
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I'd put more stock in Rick's rumours than the official Russian government line to be honest.ballysmate said:veronese68 said:Maybe one of the Tory fanboys could explain why Lebedev was given a peerage, in spite of it being flagged as a security risk. There's an article about it in that left wing rag The Times.
No intention of defending it. It was wrong.
My point was that the opinion on here that the UK wasn't pulling its weight sanction wise was wrong.
I point out that even the Russians say that we are the main or at least one of the major nations that are squeezing the lie out of the Russian economy and even that is twisted to be a snipe at the Foreign Sec.
As regards being a Tory fanboy, if there weren't millions of us back in 2019, Jezza would have been PM and us on the way out of NATO, to be in the same sort of position, alliance wise as somebody like, erm, Ukraine.
No thanks asked.
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Where are these Russian claims? The stats came from a UK newspaper. What are your thoughts on those stats?pangolin said:
Real enemy or trusted source Stevo? Make your mind up.Stevo_666 said:
I don't see anyone making a serious effort to rebut the facts on asset freezing. Funny that. Seems like there's a bit of diversion going on. Hopefully this thread won't turn out like so many others do and descend into a whiney tory bashing thread when the real enemy is further east.ballysmate said:veronese68 said:Maybe one of the Tory fanboys could explain why Lebedev was given a peerage, in spite of it being flagged as a security risk. There's an article about it in that left wing rag The Times.
No intention of defending it. It was wrong.
My point was that the opinion on here that the UK wasn't pulling its weight sanction wise was wrong.
I point out that even the Russians say that we are the main or at least one of the major nations that are squeezing the lie out of the Russian economy and even that is twisted to be a snipe at the Foreign Sec.
As regards being a Tory fanboy, if there weren't millions of us back in 2019, Jezza would have been PM and us on the way out of NATO, to be in the same sort of position, alliance wise as somebody like, erm, Ukraine.
No thanks asked.
Bizarre that you guys are taking Russian claims that the naughty Brits sanctions are hurting them at face value."I spent most of my money on birds, booze and fast cars: the rest of it I just squandered." [George Best]0 -
You'd need to ask the person who wrote the article. It's reasonable to assume it's been done on a consistent basis. Unless you know otherwise?kingstongraham said:What's the source for the EU number? Does it include the central bank?
And does the UK number include the bank we are giving 30 days grace to?"I spent most of my money on birds, booze and fast cars: the rest of it I just squandered." [George Best]0 -
The stats on frozen assets would suggest otherwise, no?DeVlaeminck said:The Intelligence and Security Committee report was critical of the govt approach to Russian influence in British politics. It found they had "actively avoided" looking for evidence of interference.
I don't think there's much doubt that at the very least this govt has been slack in recognising the Russian threat."I spent most of my money on birds, booze and fast cars: the rest of it I just squandered." [George Best]0 -
That's a very low bar though.Jezyboy said:
I'd put more stock in Rick's rumours than the official Russian government line to be honest.ballysmate said:veronese68 said:Maybe one of the Tory fanboys could explain why Lebedev was given a peerage, in spite of it being flagged as a security risk. There's an article about it in that left wing rag The Times.
No intention of defending it. It was wrong.
My point was that the opinion on here that the UK wasn't pulling its weight sanction wise was wrong.
I point out that even the Russians say that we are the main or at least one of the major nations that are squeezing the lie out of the Russian economy and even that is twisted to be a snipe at the Foreign Sec.
As regards being a Tory fanboy, if there weren't millions of us back in 2019, Jezza would have been PM and us on the way out of NATO, to be in the same sort of position, alliance wise as somebody like, erm, Ukraine.
No thanks asked."I spent most of my money on birds, booze and fast cars: the rest of it I just squandered." [George Best]0 -
Bally quoted Maria Zakharova as evidence we are doing well. You commented on it a few posts later.Stevo_666 said:
Where are these Russian claims? The stats came from a UK newspaper. What are your thoughts on those stats?pangolin said:
Real enemy or trusted source Stevo? Make your mind up.Stevo_666 said:
I don't see anyone making a serious effort to rebut the facts on asset freezing. Funny that. Seems like there's a bit of diversion going on. Hopefully this thread won't turn out like so many others do and descend into a whiney tory bashing thread when the real enemy is further east.ballysmate said:veronese68 said:Maybe one of the Tory fanboys could explain why Lebedev was given a peerage, in spite of it being flagged as a security risk. There's an article about it in that left wing rag The Times.
No intention of defending it. It was wrong.
My point was that the opinion on here that the UK wasn't pulling its weight sanction wise was wrong.
I point out that even the Russians say that we are the main or at least one of the major nations that are squeezing the lie out of the Russian economy and even that is twisted to be a snipe at the Foreign Sec.
As regards being a Tory fanboy, if there weren't millions of us back in 2019, Jezza would have been PM and us on the way out of NATO, to be in the same sort of position, alliance wise as somebody like, erm, Ukraine.
No thanks asked.
Bizarre that you guys are taking Russian claims that the naughty Brits sanctions are hurting them at face value.
Her job is "Director of the Information and Press Department of the Ministry of Foreign Affairs of the Russian Federation."
Fits the narrative though so crack on.- Genesis Croix de Fer
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A comment on the frozen asset stats would be good. Beats trying to divert.pangolin said:
Bally quoted Maria Zakharova as evidence we are doing well. You commented on it a few posts later.Stevo_666 said:
Where are these Russian claims? The stats came from a UK newspaper. What are your thoughts on those stats?pangolin said:
Real enemy or trusted source Stevo? Make your mind up.Stevo_666 said:
I don't see anyone making a serious effort to rebut the facts on asset freezing. Funny that. Seems like there's a bit of diversion going on. Hopefully this thread won't turn out like so many others do and descend into a whiney tory bashing thread when the real enemy is further east.ballysmate said:veronese68 said:Maybe one of the Tory fanboys could explain why Lebedev was given a peerage, in spite of it being flagged as a security risk. There's an article about it in that left wing rag The Times.
No intention of defending it. It was wrong.
My point was that the opinion on here that the UK wasn't pulling its weight sanction wise was wrong.
I point out that even the Russians say that we are the main or at least one of the major nations that are squeezing the lie out of the Russian economy and even that is twisted to be a snipe at the Foreign Sec.
As regards being a Tory fanboy, if there weren't millions of us back in 2019, Jezza would have been PM and us on the way out of NATO, to be in the same sort of position, alliance wise as somebody like, erm, Ukraine.
No thanks asked.
Bizarre that you guys are taking Russian claims that the naughty Brits sanctions are hurting them at face value.
Her job is "Director of the Information and Press Department of the Ministry of Foreign Affairs of the Russian Federation."
Fits the narrative though so crack on."I spent most of my money on birds, booze and fast cars: the rest of it I just squandered." [George Best]0 -
"Don't divert!" He cried while desperately diverting.Stevo_666 said:
A comment on the frozen asset stats would be good. Beats trying to divert.pangolin said:
Bally quoted Maria Zakharova as evidence we are doing well. You commented on it a few posts later.Stevo_666 said:
Where are these Russian claims? The stats came from a UK newspaper. What are your thoughts on those stats?pangolin said:
Real enemy or trusted source Stevo? Make your mind up.Stevo_666 said:
I don't see anyone making a serious effort to rebut the facts on asset freezing. Funny that. Seems like there's a bit of diversion going on. Hopefully this thread won't turn out like so many others do and descend into a whiney tory bashing thread when the real enemy is further east.ballysmate said:veronese68 said:Maybe one of the Tory fanboys could explain why Lebedev was given a peerage, in spite of it being flagged as a security risk. There's an article about it in that left wing rag The Times.
No intention of defending it. It was wrong.
My point was that the opinion on here that the UK wasn't pulling its weight sanction wise was wrong.
I point out that even the Russians say that we are the main or at least one of the major nations that are squeezing the lie out of the Russian economy and even that is twisted to be a snipe at the Foreign Sec.
As regards being a Tory fanboy, if there weren't millions of us back in 2019, Jezza would have been PM and us on the way out of NATO, to be in the same sort of position, alliance wise as somebody like, erm, Ukraine.
No thanks asked.
Bizarre that you guys are taking Russian claims that the naughty Brits sanctions are hurting them at face value.
Her job is "Director of the Information and Press Department of the Ministry of Foreign Affairs of the Russian Federation."
Fits the narrative though so crack on.
The article doesn't give much to go on. It's just repeating govt claims about figures, but as we have seen they are liars so I'd expect some actual investigation. It says the bigger figure is because we are targeting banks bit individuals.
- are other nations not doing this, or are the sums involved just smaller because they're not so cozied up with Russians?
- is the freezing immediate or part of the things we've given notice we're going to do?
- why are we not targeting banks _and_ individuals?
- if we're doing so much "better" why did home officer minister tell reporters it wasn't a competition only a couple of days ago, when asked why we weren't doing as much as the EU?
And again...
- why on earth are you taking what the Russian director of information and press has to say on the matter as fact?- Genesis Croix de Fer
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So assuming it is indeed the uk sanctions that are having the biggest impact, that's great in a way, but as already mentioned, that simply suggests that the uk has invited all of this money into the uk for dubious reasons in years gone by, and hence why it can carry out sanctions that number about 6% of the total that the EU have, and have a far bigger monetary impact.
I'm amazed, but then not, that this is wilfully being ignored, and it's all about well done up, give us a clap on the back, it's embarassing.
The unanswered question, is why have the uk not sanctioned anywhere near the same number of companies and indivduals as the eu, canada, australia, switzerland - as this would clearly increase the impact.
So why is that?
And I'm not after conjecture, or 'but we are still making the biggest impact' replies.
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Even Erdogan is asking Putin to call a halt to hostilities.0
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mix of international pressure and Turkey losing money by shipping being closed?kingstonian said:Even Erdogan is asking Putin to call a halt to hostilities.
.The camera down the willy isn't anything like as bad as it sounds.
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These sanctions bar charts are a bit 'only Lib-Dems can win here'
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The Conservatives were in bed with the Russians* long before Corbyn was even an option. And the fact that he would have been even worse in this situation is not an excuse to sit back and claim some glory.ballysmate said:veronese68 said:Maybe one of the Tory fanboys could explain why Lebedev was given a peerage, in spite of it being flagged as a security risk. There's an article about it in that left wing rag The Times.
No intention of defending it. It was wrong.
My point was that the opinion on here that the UK wasn't pulling its weight sanction wise was wrong.
I point out that even the Russians say that we are the main or at least one of the major nations that are squeezing the lie out of the Russian economy and even that is twisted to be a snipe at the Foreign Sec.
As regards being a Tory fanboy, if there weren't millions of us back in 2019, Jezza would have been PM and us on the way out of NATO, to be in the same sort of position, alliance wise as somebody like, erm, Ukraine.
No thanks asked.
*I would not be at all surprised if someone found Russian interference in other parties as well. Encouraging parties to waste their energies on fighting each other is exactly what they would want.1985 Mercian King of Mercia - work in progress (Hah! Who am I kidding?)
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