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You’d have thought the special forces of all major nato players are already causing trouble for the Russians no? Or the stakes too high?0
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Do you think he'll be stopped internally rather than internationally though? Even he needs enough backing at home to keep this going and whilst he has all those he made wealthy they aren't going to be happy if they lose access to 'their' money. I guess we'll never know the appetite of his military commanders for these fights.rick_chasey said:
Honestly I think he will go as far as he can before he is stopped.diplodicus said:I wasn't really thinking about whether he was successful, more what his aims are...
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It sounds as if you think that two wrongs would be the more appropriate option.rjsterry said:
They were notably less welcoming to the last bunch of refugees that turned up. I get that Ukraine is their next door neighbour but it's still a notable contrast.blazing_saddles said:
I would expect that to be the case at this juncture.rjsterry said:
Poland - Poland - is doing more for war refugees than us at the moment.Pross said:
Fair enough, in that case I agree it's a disgrace although with this Government you wouldn't expect anything else. Hopefully we'll take our share of refugees but I won't hold my breath.pblakeney said:
As of yesterday.Pross said:
Are they or are you just making assumptions?rick_chasey said:
They’re announcing this because they’re not announcing what they should be, which is visa waivers for all Ukrainians and routes to help refugees.Pross said:
Not sure if I'm reading that right as I seem to be seeing it differently to you. Aren't they just saying if you're here already we're going to let you stay longer? I don't think it is anything about who they are prepared to allow in going forward.rick_chasey said:
"The UK has stopped accepting visa applications from Ukrainians stuck in the country, meaning there is no safe and legal route for them to seek asylum in Britain unless they have British relatives."
More could be done to help.
"Science is a tool for cheaters". An anonymous French PE teacher.0 -
The iSsue you have is that he still controls the club through a convoluted structure where he controls a company in the virgin islands that is owed 1.5 billion by an intermediary company. A real sanction would be to pass the ownership to th UK government until a buyer can be found and h can sing for his 1.5 billion loan. This is window dressing at best and the UK public are stupid enough to think that he has lost anything.Dorset_Boy said:
What a pathetic response, Rick.rick_chasey said:
Diddums.Dorset_Boy said:Abramovich has issued a statement saying he's handed the care and stewardship of Chelsea to the charitable foundation and trustees to try to protect the club.
Whatever rumoured links he has to Putin, at least he's trying not to drag his football club down, and cause yet more upset.0 -
Should force him to sell it within 6 months, hard firesale territory, in Sterling and then lock up that money until he can prove he has no connections to Putin and he bought it with legitimate and not stolen or laundered money.0
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This is true, but it's possible to be outraged about anything, so I don't think spheres of influence need to be factored in to the outrage. For example, no one can control Putin at the moment, but it is reasonable to be outraged by his behaviour.pangolin said:
Our (UK's) refugee policy is within our sphere of influence though. How Ukraine decides to defend itself is less so.TheBigBean said:
I disagree. If you are fighting for a democracy part of that is the freedom to leave.rick_chasey said:
Not gonna win a war like this like that.TheBigBean said:
I just find it odd that you are outraged that Ukrainian women can't fly direct to London to claim asylum, but you appear to have no concerns about Ukrainian men who can't even leave the country.rick_chasey said:
Plenty have signed up.TheBigBean said:
What do the women do? Hand out white feathers to the men not fighting?rick_chasey said:
What do you expect from mobilisation? It’s not voluntary. It’s an existential war for the nation - every able man fights.TheBigBean said:No male refugees. Very old school. No chat about that here either.
This is old school behaviour from Russia.
It’s just not compulsory. What would you rather?
What would I rather? Voluntary for all.
It’s sh!t for everyone. And bluntly, it’s not the place to worry about gender equality.0 -
You’d hope so. I have genuinely no idea how much of a grip he has on power and the potential threats.Pross said:
Do you think he'll be stopped internally rather than internationally though? Even he needs enough backing at home to keep this going and whilst he has all those he made wealthy they aren't going to be happy if they lose access to 'their' money. I guess we'll never know the appetite of his military commanders for these fights.rick_chasey said:
Honestly I think he will go as far as he can before he is stopped.diplodicus said:I wasn't really thinking about whether he was successful, more what his aims are...
It would almost certainly have to come from his camp as he has destroyed all opposition and so I think, to offer a barely informed guess it’s pretty unlikely.
What I meant by “as far as he is stopped” was more where his armies will be stopped.0 -
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rick_chasey said:
Not gonna win a war like this like that.TheBigBean said:
I just find it odd that you are outraged that Ukrainian women can't fly direct to London to claim asylum, but you appear to have no concerns about Ukrainian men who can't even leave the country.rick_chasey said:
Plenty have signed up.TheBigBean said:
What do the women do? Hand out white feathers to the men not fighting?rick_chasey said:
What do you expect from mobilisation? It’s not voluntary. It’s an existential war for the nation - every able man fights.TheBigBean said:No male refugees. Very old school. No chat about that here either.
This is old school behaviour from Russia.
It’s just not compulsory. What would you rather?
What would I rather? Voluntary for all.
It’s sh!t for everyone. And bluntly, it’s not the place to worry about gender equality.
We all get one life - that's gender equality."Science is a tool for cheaters". An anonymous French PE teacher.0 -
I’d love to think that five hard as nails Scotsmen from 23 Squadron SAS with 70’s porn moustaches all nicknamed ‘Jock’ are currently rigging up demolitions on a bridge deep in Ukraine, but if anything they’re organising logistics.rick_chasey said:You’d have thought the special forces of all major nato players are already causing trouble for the Russians no? Or the stakes too high?
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This unidentified US aircraft has flown down to about 10 miles of the border and come to a dead stop.
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Some people struggling not to go full Nigel on here it seems.0
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Intriguing site that. Another snap image where one tanker been looping in Polish airspace adjacent to that border for ages, leaving with another arriving.
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Where do you get your info?rick_chasey said:Anyway, apparently a massive Russian attack on Kiev is imminent..
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LAGER and NACHO are the call signs for American tankers based at Mildenhall (their other call sign is QUID - oh those Yanks and their sense of humour). They will be there to tank NATO fighter jets and the surveillance aircraft. I know from following recent movements that a lot of US jets have been forward based in Poland and Romania. They’re 100% not there to strike into Ukraine, more they are there as a ‘don’t f@cking think about it Putin’ move.orraloon said:Intriguing site that. Another snap image where one tanker been looping in Polish airspace adjacent to that border for ages, leaving with another arriving.
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100% not objective but they’re sensible
He’s there
This guy is good
This was retweeted by a not very flappable FT journo
I follow a lot of self proclaimed Ukrainian war reporters too but they only report on Russian losses and Ukrainian success - but you get a sense about where the battles are. They’re a bit more in land than they were yesterday0 -
Should add other than fighting is around x you’re not gonna get anything reliable.
But you can track where it is and you can see the progress.0 -
“New York has the haircuts, London has the trousers, but Belfast has the reason!0
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Not what I meant at all. Just that we could do better with regard to people wanting to get out of Ukraine. Otherwise, raising the 🇺🇦 over Parliament is a bit of a hollow gesture.blazing_saddles said:
It sounds as if you think that two wrongs would be the more appropriate option.rjsterry said:
They were notably less welcoming to the last bunch of refugees that turned up. I get that Ukraine is their next door neighbour but it's still a notable contrast.blazing_saddles said:
I would expect that to be the case at this juncture.rjsterry said:
Poland - Poland - is doing more for war refugees than us at the moment.Pross said:
Fair enough, in that case I agree it's a disgrace although with this Government you wouldn't expect anything else. Hopefully we'll take our share of refugees but I won't hold my breath.pblakeney said:
As of yesterday.Pross said:
Are they or are you just making assumptions?rick_chasey said:
They’re announcing this because they’re not announcing what they should be, which is visa waivers for all Ukrainians and routes to help refugees.Pross said:
Not sure if I'm reading that right as I seem to be seeing it differently to you. Aren't they just saying if you're here already we're going to let you stay longer? I don't think it is anything about who they are prepared to allow in going forward.rick_chasey said:
"The UK has stopped accepting visa applications from Ukrainians stuck in the country, meaning there is no safe and legal route for them to seek asylum in Britain unless they have British relatives."
More could be done to help.1985 Mercian King of Mercia - work in progress (Hah! Who am I kidding?)
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In one. Don’t light up the HoP in blue and yellow when they have no intention of helping the people displaced.rjsterry said:
Not what I meant at all. Just that we could do better with regard to people wanting to get out of Ukraine. Otherwise, raising the 🇺🇦 over Parliament is a bit of a hollow gesture.blazing_saddles said:
It sounds as if you think that two wrongs would be the more appropriate option.rjsterry said:
They were notably less welcoming to the last bunch of refugees that turned up. I get that Ukraine is their next door neighbour but it's still a notable contrast.blazing_saddles said:
I would expect that to be the case at this juncture.rjsterry said:
Poland - Poland - is doing more for war refugees than us at the moment.Pross said:
Fair enough, in that case I agree it's a disgrace although with this Government you wouldn't expect anything else. Hopefully we'll take our share of refugees but I won't hold my breath.pblakeney said:
As of yesterday.Pross said:
Are they or are you just making assumptions?rick_chasey said:
They’re announcing this because they’re not announcing what they should be, which is visa waivers for all Ukrainians and routes to help refugees.Pross said:
Not sure if I'm reading that right as I seem to be seeing it differently to you. Aren't they just saying if you're here already we're going to let you stay longer? I don't think it is anything about who they are prepared to allow in going forward.rick_chasey said:
"The UK has stopped accepting visa applications from Ukrainians stuck in the country, meaning there is no safe and legal route for them to seek asylum in Britain unless they have British relatives."
More could be done to help.0 -
The Kremlin.pangolin said:
Where do you get your info?rick_chasey said:Anyway, apparently a massive Russian attack on Kiev is imminent..
"Science is a tool for cheaters". An anonymous French PE teacher.0 -
Happened to my club. Not that it's important.Dorset_Boy said:
Should your club have ceased to exist when it went bankrupt leaving debtors?skyblueamateur said:
Yes. Yes I would. Similar to the Qatari World Cup. Reap what you sow. No sympathy.Dorset_Boy said:
So you'd be happy for the club, staff and players to suffer due to Russia's invasion?skyblueamateur said:We
Really? With how he accumulated his wealth I won’t be shedding any tears.Dorset_Boy said:
What a pathetic response, Rick.rick_chasey said:
Diddums.Dorset_Boy said:Abramovich has issued a statement saying he's handed the care and stewardship of Chelsea to the charitable foundation and trustees to try to protect the club.
Whatever rumoured links he has to Putin, at least he's trying not to drag his football club down, and cause yet more upset.0 -
Not sure what lighting up the HoP has to do with Poland’s response to refugees.skyblueamateur said:
In one. Don’t light up the HoP in blue and yellow when they have no intention of helping the people displaced.rjsterry said:
Not what I meant at all. Just that we could do better with regard to people wanting to get out of Ukraine. Otherwise, raising the 🇺🇦 over Parliament is a bit of a hollow gesture.blazing_saddles said:
It sounds as if you think that two wrongs would be the more appropriate option.rjsterry said:
They were notably less welcoming to the last bunch of refugees that turned up. I get that Ukraine is their next door neighbour but it's still a notable contrast.blazing_saddles said:
I would expect that to be the case at this juncture.rjsterry said:
Poland - Poland - is doing more for war refugees than us at the moment.Pross said:
Fair enough, in that case I agree it's a disgrace although with this Government you wouldn't expect anything else. Hopefully we'll take our share of refugees but I won't hold my breath.pblakeney said:
As of yesterday.Pross said:
Are they or are you just making assumptions?rick_chasey said:
They’re announcing this because they’re not announcing what they should be, which is visa waivers for all Ukrainians and routes to help refugees.Pross said:
Not sure if I'm reading that right as I seem to be seeing it differently to you. Aren't they just saying if you're here already we're going to let you stay longer? I don't think it is anything about who they are prepared to allow in going forward.rick_chasey said:
"The UK has stopped accepting visa applications from Ukrainians stuck in the country, meaning there is no safe and legal route for them to seek asylum in Britain unless they have British relatives."
More could be done to help.
"Science is a tool for cheaters". An anonymous French PE teacher.0 -
Reports the EU have kicked Russia out of Swift“New York has the haircuts, London has the trousers, but Belfast has the reason!0
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Not sure how that falls within the gift of the EU....but there you go“New York has the haircuts, London has the trousers, but Belfast has the reason!0
