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  • rick_chasey
    rick_chasey Posts: 75,661
    Pross said:

    rick_chasey said:

    Pross said:

    rick_chasey said:

    Disgrace

    Not sure if I'm reading that right as I seem to be seeing it differently to you. Aren't they just saying if you're here already we're going to let you stay longer? I don't think it is anything about who they are prepared to allow in going forward.
    They’re announcing this because they’re not announcing what they should be, which is visa waivers for all Ukrainians and routes to help refugees.

    Are they or are you just making assumptions?
    Im not making assumptions. This is not currently being done.

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  • kingstonian
    kingstonian Posts: 2,847
    So what’s wrong with announcing what is being done for those Ukrainians already in the UK?
  • blazing_saddles
    blazing_saddles Posts: 22,725
    rick_chasey said:

    Pross said:

    rick_chasey said:

    Pross said:

    rick_chasey said:

    Disgrace

    Not sure if I'm reading that right as I seem to be seeing it differently to you. Aren't they just saying if you're here already we're going to let you stay longer? I don't think it is anything about who they are prepared to allow in going forward.
    They’re announcing this because they’re not announcing what they should be, which is visa waivers for all Ukrainians and routes to help refugees.

    Are they or are you just making assumptions?
    Im not making assumptions. This is not currently being done.

    I have been following this thread with interest for quite a while.

    I hear what you are saying but isn’t it a bit of a moot point at this juncture, seeing that Ukraine has closed it’s airspace and are not allowing folks of fighting age to leave their country?
    "Science is a tool for cheaters". An anonymous French PE teacher.
  • tailwindhome
    tailwindhome Posts: 19,436
    blazing_saddles said:

    rick_chasey said:

    Pross said:

    rick_chasey said:

    Pross said:

    rick_chasey said:

    Disgrace

    Not sure if I'm reading that right as I seem to be seeing it differently to you. Aren't they just saying if you're here already we're going to let you stay longer? I don't think it is anything about who they are prepared to allow in going forward.
    They’re announcing this because they’re not announcing what they should be, which is visa waivers for all Ukrainians and routes to help refugees.

    Are they or are you just making assumptions?
    Im not making assumptions. This is not currently being done.

    I have been following this thread with interest for quite a while.

    I hear what you are saying but isn’t it a bit of a moot point at this juncture, seeing that Ukraine has closed it’s airspace and are not allowing folks of fighting age to leave their country?
    Meaning every single refugee has to pass through another safe country

    Hey...whaddaya know....we don't have to take any
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  • rick_chasey
    rick_chasey Posts: 75,661
    edited February 2022
    kingstonian said:

    So what’s wrong with announcing what is being done for those Ukrainians already in the UK?

    Because it is f@ck all obviously.

    This is total war. They’re literally showing the nation how to make homemade firebombs.

    Any Ukrainian fleeing Ukraine is a refugee and should not need a visa regardless.

    That is literally international law,

    Furthermore, if Britain makes out it it supporting the nation then that is part of it.

    UK pushed for Ukraine to be part of NATO. That’s to its credit.

    They should have the same approach to migration to their approach for things with guns
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  • pblakeney
    pblakeney Posts: 27,328
    Pross said:

    rick_chasey said:

    Pross said:

    rick_chasey said:

    Disgrace

    Not sure if I'm reading that right as I seem to be seeing it differently to you. Aren't they just saying if you're here already we're going to let you stay longer? I don't think it is anything about who they are prepared to allow in going forward.
    They’re announcing this because they’re not announcing what they should be, which is visa waivers for all Ukrainians and routes to help refugees.

    Are they or are you just making assumptions?
    As of yesterday.

    "The UK has stopped accepting visa applications from Ukrainians stuck in the country, meaning there is no safe and legal route for them to seek asylum in Britain unless they have British relatives."

    More could be done to help.
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  • Pross
    Pross Posts: 43,463
    pblakeney said:

    Pross said:

    rick_chasey said:

    Pross said:

    rick_chasey said:

    Disgrace

    Not sure if I'm reading that right as I seem to be seeing it differently to you. Aren't they just saying if you're here already we're going to let you stay longer? I don't think it is anything about who they are prepared to allow in going forward.
    They’re announcing this because they’re not announcing what they should be, which is visa waivers for all Ukrainians and routes to help refugees.

    Are they or are you just making assumptions?
    As of yesterday.

    "The UK has stopped accepting visa applications from Ukrainians stuck in the country, meaning there is no safe and legal route for them to seek asylum in Britain unless they have British relatives."

    More could be done to help.
    Fair enough, in that case I agree it's a disgrace although with this Government you wouldn't expect anything else. Hopefully we'll take our share of refugees but I won't hold my breath.
  • Dorset_Boy
    Dorset_Boy Posts: 7,560
    edited February 2022
    Is the British Embassy in the Ukraine open?
    If not, how could anyone apply for a visa from within Ukraine?

    That said, stating we are more than willing to accept refugees from the Ukraine would help, and should be done.
  • rick_chasey
    rick_chasey Posts: 75,661
    Dorset_Boy said:

    Is the British Embassy in the Ukraine open?
    If not, how could anyone apply for a visa from within Ukraine?

    That said, stating we are more than willing to accept refugees from the Ukraine would help, and should be done.

    Refugees don’t need visas
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  • Dorset_Boy
    Dorset_Boy Posts: 7,560
    edited February 2022
    rick_chasey said:

    Dorset_Boy said:

    Is the British Embassy in the Ukraine open?
    If not, how could anyone apply for a visa from within Ukraine?

    That said, stating we are more than willing to accept refugees from the Ukraine would help, and should be done.

    Refugees don’t need visas
    But you're making a thing of the UK not accepting visa applications from the Ukraine.
    Given they can't get here yet, a decision and statement might yet be forthcoming, but you simply love to kick everything about the UK.
    Initially our efforts need to be to providing shelter and food for them in the neighbouring states.
  • blazing_saddles
    blazing_saddles Posts: 22,725
    rick_chasey said:

    Dorset_Boy said:

    Is the British Embassy in the Ukraine open?
    If not, how could anyone apply for a visa from within Ukraine?

    That said, stating we are more than willing to accept refugees from the Ukraine would help, and should be done.

    Refugees don’t need visas
    So why are you so incensed about the UK not issuing them?



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  • Pross
    Pross Posts: 43,463
    Notice quite a few army trucks moving on the motorway this morning and there so seemed to be a bit of engineering kit getting moved out of the stores at Ashchurch when I went past on Thursday.
  • rick_chasey
    rick_chasey Posts: 75,661
    edited February 2022
    blazing_saddles said:

    rick_chasey said:

    Dorset_Boy said:

    Is the British Embassy in the Ukraine open?
    If not, how could anyone apply for a visa from within Ukraine?

    That said, stating we are more than willing to accept refugees from the Ukraine would help, and should be done.

    Refugees don’t need visas
    So why are you so incensed about the UK not issuing them?



    Because the Uk is insisting they do need Visas

    Understand? Hence the tweet I posted.
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  • rick_chasey
    rick_chasey Posts: 75,661
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  • Pross
    Pross Posts: 43,463
    rick_chasey said:

    blazing_saddles said:

    rick_chasey said:

    Dorset_Boy said:

    Is the British Embassy in the Ukraine open?
    If not, how could anyone apply for a visa from within Ukraine?

    That said, stating we are more than willing to accept refugees from the Ukraine would help, and should be done.

    Refugees don’t need visas
    So why are you so incensed about the UK not issuing them?



    Because the Uk is insisting they do need Visas

    Understand? Hence the tweet I posted.
    The Tweet was just saying that those with existing visas can renew them. I'm not sure how you are extrapolating that out to potential refugees. It's coming across of you being blinded by your bias.
  • rick_chasey
    rick_chasey Posts: 75,661
    Some unvarified videos of Ukrainian soldiers walking past a blown up Russian tank convoy (a lot of ruskie tanks on fire) clutching those British donated NLAWS 🤘🏻
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  • rick_chasey
    rick_chasey Posts: 75,661
    Meanwhile Germans join in too 👍🏻👍🏻

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  • rjsterry
    rjsterry Posts: 29,554
    Pross said:

    pblakeney said:

    Pross said:

    rick_chasey said:

    Pross said:

    rick_chasey said:

    Disgrace

    Not sure if I'm reading that right as I seem to be seeing it differently to you. Aren't they just saying if you're here already we're going to let you stay longer? I don't think it is anything about who they are prepared to allow in going forward.
    They’re announcing this because they’re not announcing what they should be, which is visa waivers for all Ukrainians and routes to help refugees.

    Are they or are you just making assumptions?
    As of yesterday.

    "The UK has stopped accepting visa applications from Ukrainians stuck in the country, meaning there is no safe and legal route for them to seek asylum in Britain unless they have British relatives."

    More could be done to help.
    Fair enough, in that case I agree it's a disgrace although with this Government you wouldn't expect anything else. Hopefully we'll take our share of refugees but I won't hold my breath.
    Poland - Poland - is doing more for war refugees than us at the moment.
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  • Pross
    Pross Posts: 43,463
    rjsterry said:

    Pross said:

    pblakeney said:

    Pross said:

    rick_chasey said:

    Pross said:

    rick_chasey said:

    Disgrace

    Not sure if I'm reading that right as I seem to be seeing it differently to you. Aren't they just saying if you're here already we're going to let you stay longer? I don't think it is anything about who they are prepared to allow in going forward.
    They’re announcing this because they’re not announcing what they should be, which is visa waivers for all Ukrainians and routes to help refugees.

    Are they or are you just making assumptions?
    As of yesterday.

    "The UK has stopped accepting visa applications from Ukrainians stuck in the country, meaning there is no safe and legal route for them to seek asylum in Britain unless they have British relatives."

    More could be done to help.
    Fair enough, in that case I agree it's a disgrace although with this Government you wouldn't expect anything else. Hopefully we'll take our share of refugees but I won't hold my breath.
    Poland - Poland - is doing more for war refugees than us at the moment.
    To be fair they do share a border and a lot of those fleeing will probably have friends or family there
  • rjsterry
    rjsterry Posts: 29,554
    rick_chasey said:

    Some unvarified videos of Ukrainian soldiers walking past a blown up Russian tank convoy (a lot of ruskie tanks on fire) clutching those British donated NLAWS 🤘🏻

    Not sure if you've seen the one of some Ukrainians coming across a broken down armoured vehicle with a load of Russian soldiers hanging around. They've run out of fuel; "Shall we tow it back to Russia for you?"
    1985 Mercian King of Mercia - work in progress (Hah! Who am I kidding?)
    Pinnacle Monzonite

    Part of the anti-growth coalition
  • blazing_saddles
    blazing_saddles Posts: 22,725
    rjsterry said:

    Pross said:

    pblakeney said:

    Pross said:

    rick_chasey said:

    Pross said:

    rick_chasey said:

    Disgrace

    Not sure if I'm reading that right as I seem to be seeing it differently to you. Aren't they just saying if you're here already we're going to let you stay longer? I don't think it is anything about who they are prepared to allow in going forward.
    They’re announcing this because they’re not announcing what they should be, which is visa waivers for all Ukrainians and routes to help refugees.

    Are they or are you just making assumptions?
    As of yesterday.

    "The UK has stopped accepting visa applications from Ukrainians stuck in the country, meaning there is no safe and legal route for them to seek asylum in Britain unless they have British relatives."

    More could be done to help.
    Fair enough, in that case I agree it's a disgrace although with this Government you wouldn't expect anything else. Hopefully we'll take our share of refugees but I won't hold my breath.
    Poland - Poland - is doing more for war refugees than us at the moment.
    I would expect that to be the case at this juncture.
    "Science is a tool for cheaters". An anonymous French PE teacher.
  • Pross
    Pross Posts: 43,463
    rjsterry said:

    rick_chasey said:

    Some unvarified videos of Ukrainian soldiers walking past a blown up Russian tank convoy (a lot of ruskie tanks on fire) clutching those British donated NLAWS 🤘🏻

    Not sure if you've seen the one of some Ukrainians coming across a broken down armoured vehicle with a load of Russian soldiers hanging around. They've run out of fuel; "Shall we tow it back to Russia for you?"
    That's probably one of the more reassuring things and an issue with a fast initial advance.
  • blazing_saddles
    blazing_saddles Posts: 22,725
    Edit
    "Science is a tool for cheaters". An anonymous French PE teacher.
  • blazing_saddles
    blazing_saddles Posts: 22,725
    Estonia, Latvia, Slovenia and Romania joining the ban on Russian flights.
    "There is no place for planes of the aggressor state in democratic skies." Estonian Prime Minister Kaja Kallas.

    Not bad for a former puppet state.

    "Science is a tool for cheaters". An anonymous French PE teacher.
  • rick_chasey
    rick_chasey Posts: 75,661
    blazing_saddles said:

    Estonia, Latvia, Slovenia and Romania joining the ban on Russian flights.
    "There is no place for planes of the aggressor state in democratic skies." Estonian Prime Minister Kaja Kallas.

    Not bad for a former puppet state.

    NATO guarantee helps
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  • blazing_saddles
    blazing_saddles Posts: 22,725
    edited February 2022
    rick_chasey said:

    blazing_saddles said:

    Estonia, Latvia, Slovenia and Romania joining the ban on Russian flights.
    "There is no place for planes of the aggressor state in democratic skies." Estonian Prime Minister Kaja Kallas.

    Not bad for a former puppet state

    NATO guarantee helps
    Maybe they can supply a neutral venue as well.
    "Science is a tool for cheaters". An anonymous French PE teacher.
  • First.Aspect
    First.Aspect Posts: 17,167
    blazing_saddles said:



    rjsterry said:

    Pross said:

    pblakeney said:

    Pross said:

    rick_chasey said:

    Pross said:

    rick_chasey said:

    Disgrace

    Not sure if I'm reading that right as I seem to be seeing it differently to you. Aren't they just saying if you're here already we're going to let you stay longer? I don't think it is anything about who they are prepared to allow in going forward.
    They’re announcing this because they’re not announcing what they should be, which is visa waivers for all Ukrainians and routes to help refugees.

    Are they or are you just making assumptions?
    As of yesterday.

    "The UK has stopped accepting visa applications from Ukrainians stuck in the country, meaning there is no safe and legal route for them to seek asylum in Britain unless they have British relatives."

    More could be done to help.
    Fair enough, in that case I agree it's a disgrace although with this Government you wouldn't expect anything else. Hopefully we'll take our share of refugees but I won't hold my breath.
    Poland - Poland - is doing more for war refugees than us at the moment.
    I would expect that to be the case at this juncture.
    Indeed. Poland has a lot of cultural history in common with Ukraine, to the extent that many Ukranians have a sort of "landed immigrant" status to live and work in Poland.

    Poland as a nation is worried. Understandable, given the historical echoes.
  • Stevo_666
    Stevo_666 Posts: 61,408
    thegreatdivide said:

    https://globe.adsbexchange.com/

    Click on the ‘U’. It removes all non military traffic. As I’ve said, you’re only seeing the stuff that has a transponder on. You’re not seeing what they’re fuelling. Any of the RAF or USAF RC-135 types are working out what’s going on inside Ukraine and quite probably coordinating on the ground with anything NATO. The ones with the call sign ‘NATO’ are monitoring and coordinating airspace.

    The really interesting stuff appears at night.

    Thanks - that's good. Will have a look tonight as recommended.
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  • mrb123
    mrb123 Posts: 4,815
    Orban supporting the EU sanctions.

    With the Chinese abstention last night Putin really is completely without support save for his puppet states.
  • tailwindhome
    tailwindhome Posts: 19,436
    Abramovich has passed control of Chelsea to the Chelsea Foundation
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