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Also the Wagner boss apparently hates him.MattFalle said:
they've got rid of one bloke who was renowned for using v v v dodgy tactics to another bloke renowned for using v v v dodgy tactics.Stevo_666 said:In other news, looks like Surovikin has been demoted and its the turn of Gerasimov to fail to make any progress. Whether this will change the tactics of bombing civilian infrastructure who knows.
think that the only thing to make change in bombing civpop is the fact they are running out of cruise missiles1985 Mercian King of Mercia - work in progress (Hah! Who am I kidding?)
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It takes a while to ‘get rid’ of kit. From what I gather there are about a couple of hundred Challenger 2s in service and a couple of hundred in storage. Might be a bit less by now, but probably not by much. NATO storage is nothing like Russian ‘storage’. We can have them on the road quickly. They used to be stored on a massive site in Ashchurch, but that got sold off by the MOD and they were moved to humidity controlled hangers in Germany. They might still be located there.ddraver said:So our plan to get rid of all our tanks becasue "we'd never need them again"..?
Did that ever happen or has it been hastily shredded?
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It takes a while to ‘get rid’ of kit. From what I gather there are about a couple of hundred Challenger 2s in service and a couple of hundred in storage. Might be a bit less by now, but probably not by much. NATO storage is nothing like Russian ‘storage’. We can have them on the road quickly. They used to be stored on a massive site in Ashchurch, but that got sold off by the MOD and they were moved to humidity controlled hangers in Germany. They might still be located there.ddraver said:So our plan to get rid of all our tanks becasue "we'd never need them again"..?
Did that ever happen or has it been hastily shredded?
Props to Sunak for promising some Challengers to Zelensky. Might only be a few, for now (I think 10 have been mooted), but seems to be a signal to other western nations (especially Germany) that tanks are now what's needed. Various rumours going around that Germany's Defence Minister might be on the way out, and sounds like she might have been one of the sceptics (or just incompetent).
One of the papers (can't remember which) saying that the limiting factor for tanks is the back-up/logistics to keep them going, not the number of tanks themselves.
Also reading an interesting Twitter thread (I think) about how the Ukrainians are deliberately letting areas flood, with the help of industrious beavers, to make large tracts of land impassable, so that the Ruskies will have to try to advance down much narrower routes, so putting themselves in much more vulnerable positions.
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The beavers are preventing another invasion from the Belarusian border. Go beavers!
My sister in law brought her Ukrainian lodger round for lunch today. A wonderful woman. Her husband can’t leave Ukraine for obvious reasons, and due to an accident he can’t fight, so his role is fixing up damaged armoured vehicles and he’ll soon be involved in tank production. So far the family home in Kramatorsk is still standing. She was separated from her son and mother, they’re in Austria and currently trying to get visas to come to the UK, then they’ll all get a place together. I wasn’t aware that there was a tight network of Ukrainians in Dundee, so the transition has been fairly comfortable for her.
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Ashchurch is still the prime site, currently undergoing a complete rebuild to modernise the facility - it was an absolute dump but will be fit for purpose. Not sold off.thegreatdivide said:
It takes a while to ‘get rid’ of kit. From what I gather there are about a couple of hundred Challenger 2s in service and a couple of hundred in storage. Might be a bit less by now, but probably not by much. NATO storage is nothing like Russian ‘storage’. We can have them on the road quickly. They used to be stored on a massive site in Ashchurch, but that got sold off by the MOD and they were moved to humidity controlled hangers in Germany. They might still be located there.ddraver said:So our plan to get rid of all our tanks becasue "we'd never need them again"..?
Did that ever happen or has it been hastily shredded?2020/2021/2022 Metric Century Challenge Winner0 -
That’s hilarious. It was about a decade ago that they were selling off Aschurch and moving kit to Germany for storage while they looked for a new permanent site. Classic MOD.0
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I’ve worked there a couple of times and it was always going to close. Amazing that it eventually survived!thegreatdivide said:That’s hilarious. It was about a decade ago that they were selling off Aschurch and moving kit to Germany for storage while they looked for a new permanent site. Classic MOD.
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Interesting comment picked up by the economist re the UK tank delivery. Clearly 14 tanks isn't going to move the dial, but it sounds like it is a calculation to goad other allies into helping now because there is a window of opportunity.
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Yeah, I was part of a bid about 7 years ago for a Developer that was looking to buy it then the next thing I heard it was off the market. Hours wasted yet again!thegreatdivide said:That’s hilarious. It was about a decade ago that they were selling off Aschurch and moving kit to Germany for storage while they looked for a new permanent site. Classic MOD.
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They always say that barracks and bases are going to close an so don't put any money into them for decades and bizarrely they don't close and troops have to live in squalid conditions.
overall, its a disgrace.
.The camera down the willy isn't anything like as bad as it sounds.
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do we know why mud is not an issue for Ukraine forces?rick_chasey said:Interesting comment picked up by the economist re the UK tank delivery. Clearly 14 tanks isn't going to move the dial, but it sounds like it is a calculation to goad other allies into helping now because there is a window of opportunity.
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No. I think I read something about UKAF being largely on the defensive during the mud-season but I may be misremembering.surrey_commuter said:
do we know why mud is not an issue for Ukraine forces?rick_chasey said:Interesting comment picked up by the economist re the UK tank delivery. Clearly 14 tanks isn't going to move the dial, but it sounds like it is a calculation to goad other allies into helping now because there is a window of opportunity.
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I was thinking of Rishi hastening the supply of offensive weapons when from memory they have a Spring mud season once everything thawsrick_chasey said:
No. I think I read something about UKAF being largely on the defensive during the mud-season but I may be misremembering.surrey_commuter said:
do we know why mud is not an issue for Ukraine forces?rick_chasey said:Interesting comment picked up by the economist re the UK tank delivery. Clearly 14 tanks isn't going to move the dial, but it sounds like it is a calculation to goad other allies into helping now because there is a window of opportunity.
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I think when they send these things it's months before they get used in some instances. After getting them there and the associated supplies, training the locals on how to use them etc.surrey_commuter said:
I was thinking of Rishi hastening the supply of offensive weapons when from memory they have a Spring mud season once everything thawsrick_chasey said:
No. I think I read something about UKAF being largely on the defensive during the mud-season but I may be misremembering.surrey_commuter said:
do we know why mud is not an issue for Ukraine forces?rick_chasey said:Interesting comment picked up by the economist re the UK tank delivery. Clearly 14 tanks isn't going to move the dial, but it sounds like it is a calculation to goad other allies into helping now because there is a window of opportunity.
My mate is part of the UK team answering the UKAF "desire" lists and he says 95% of what they are asking for is Soviet stuff 'cos they know how to use it.0 -
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The camera down the willy isn't anything like as bad as it sounds.
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I was wonderring the same, surely Ukraine going on the offensive at this time of year would be as flawed as the Russians initially attacking in mud season.surrey_commuter said:
I was thinking of Rishi hastening the supply of offensive weapons when from memory they have a Spring mud season once everything thawsrick_chasey said:
No. I think I read something about UKAF being largely on the defensive during the mud-season but I may be misremembering.surrey_commuter said:
do we know why mud is not an issue for Ukraine forces?rick_chasey said:Interesting comment picked up by the economist re the UK tank delivery. Clearly 14 tanks isn't going to move the dial, but it sounds like it is a calculation to goad other allies into helping now because there is a window of opportunity.
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The German defence minister has indeed resigned, so it'll be interesting to see if the tone from Germany changes at all.0
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Seemingly the Ukrainians were training on the Bradley’s well before the official announcement (and there’s a video of them practicing with the rear ramp doing the rounds this week) so I suspect there’s been a bit of Challenger training already.1
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It's ze German ones they want isnt it? I wanna say Javelins..?
Poland and...someone else... have got them ready to go but they need a bit of paper from the Germans who made them and Fritz can't make up their minds.
So yes, this is a hurry the f**k up sort of deal.We're in danger of confusing passion with incompetence
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I thought tanks were useless in this conflict? All those vids of the Ukranians taking out columns of Russian hardware using nimble anti-tank weapons or drones? Does Ivan not possess similar tech?0
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no - tanks are mega if used proprrly.Munsford0 said:I thought tanks were useless in this conflict? All those vids of the Ukranians taking out columns of Russian hardware using nimble anti-tank weapons or drones? Does Ivan not possess similar tech?
the russians just used everything they had/have really really badly..The camera down the willy isn't anything like as bad as it sounds.
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Leopard 2s. Finland and Poland are well up for sharing some.ddraver said:It's ze German ones they want isnt it? I wanna say Javelins..?
Poland and...someone else... have got them ready to go but they need a bit of paper from the Germans who made them and Fritz can't make up their minds.
So yes, this is a hurry the f**k up sort of deal.
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Germany need to grow a pair, pull their finger out and send those tanks. Looks like Poland might send some anyway.thegreatdivide said:
Leopard 2s. Finland and Poland are well up for sharing some.ddraver said:It's ze German ones they want isnt it? I wanna say Javelins..?
Poland and...someone else... have got them ready to go but they need a bit of paper from the Germans who made them and Fritz can't make up their minds.
So yes, this is a hurry the f**k up sort of deal.
https://telegraph.co.uk/world-news/2023/01/19/germany-must-stop-stalling-ukraine-tanks-deal-say-nato-allies/"I spent most of my money on birds, booze and fast cars: the rest of it I just squandered." [George Best]0 -
The whole coy "we don't want to stop an existential threat to Europe, because we were an existential threat to Europe a couple of times" thing isn't a great look.
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Sure, but it's politically impossible to say the truth which is "in the recent past, half of our country was occupied for half a century by the Russians, who happened to install the most restrictive, controlling and propaganda orientated governments ever, so there's a chunk of us who wrongly support Russia, and they happen to support the Fash AfD now, which is a threat to our coalition"First.Aspect said:The whole coy "we don't want to stop an existential threat to Europe, because we were an existential threat to Europe a couple of times" thing isn't a great look.
You could almost spin it as, "We've already taken a big economic hit to pay for someone else's gas."
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Was reading something this morning that suggested the German leadership don't want to burn bridges with Russia. Which is a bit mind-boggling.1985 Mercian King of Mercia - work in progress (Hah! Who am I kidding?)
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