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  • pblakeney
    pblakeney Posts: 27,266
    focuszing723 said:

    surrey_commuter said:

    focuszing723 said:

    The East must be getting some cheap natural resources at the moment.

    What about multinationals who have factories in the East, I guess there can't be any objection to them using these resources?

    gas is not easily transportable
    I'm Google lazy today. I would be surprised if they don't already have pipelines into Eastern Countries?
    Fairly sure India was buying up cheap resources from Russia.
    Don't know if that's still the case.
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  • rick_chasey
    rick_chasey Posts: 75,661
    pblakeney said:

    focuszing723 said:

    surrey_commuter said:

    focuszing723 said:

    The East must be getting some cheap natural resources at the moment.

    What about multinationals who have factories in the East, I guess there can't be any objection to them using these resources?

    gas is not easily transportable
    I'm Google lazy today. I would be surprised if they don't already have pipelines into Eastern Countries?
    Fairly sure India was buying up cheap resources from Russia.
    Don't know if that's still the case.
    Yes Indian refining is going gang busters.

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  • focuszing723
    focuszing723 Posts: 8,097
    You can see multinationals setting up shop there then. Then the connections will be made and established.
  • rick_chasey
    rick_chasey Posts: 75,661
    Come on Focus, you should know the future isn't in fossil fuels.

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  • focuszing723
    focuszing723 Posts: 8,097
    Well, In my extremely advanced superior opinion. I think, nuclear fission will be perfected and we will all live happily ever after in a new intergalactic star trekian oneness.

    Or pets for AI life, something like that.
  • rick_chasey
    rick_chasey Posts: 75,661
    focuszing723 said:

    Well, In my extremely advanced superior opinion. I think, nuclear fission will be perfected and we will all live happily ever after in a new intergalactic star trekian oneness.

    Or pets for AI life, something like that.

    Keep an eye out for the geopolitics around resources flipping from petro states to states abundant with the metals needed to electrify everything.
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  • focuszing723
    focuszing723 Posts: 8,097
    rick_chasey said:

    focuszing723 said:

    Well, In my extremely advanced superior opinion. I think, nuclear fission will be perfected and we will all live happily ever after in a new intergalactic star trekian oneness.

    Or pets for AI life, something like that.

    Keep an eye out for the geopolitics around resources flipping from petro states to states abundant with the metals needed to electrify everything.
    OK.
  • surrey_commuter
    surrey_commuter Posts: 18,867
    focuszing723 said:

    rick_chasey said:

    focuszing723 said:

    Well, In my extremely advanced superior opinion. I think, nuclear fission will be perfected and we will all live happily ever after in a new intergalactic star trekian oneness.

    Or pets for AI life, something like that.

    Keep an eye out for the geopolitics around resources flipping from petro states to states abundant with the metals needed to electrify everything.
    OK.
    Pssst!!! after he has gone to bed can you explain what that means?
  • rick_chasey
    rick_chasey Posts: 75,661
    surrey_commuter said:

    focuszing723 said:

    rick_chasey said:

    focuszing723 said:

    Well, In my extremely advanced superior opinion. I think, nuclear fission will be perfected and we will all live happily ever after in a new intergalactic star trekian oneness.

    Or pets for AI life, something like that.

    Keep an eye out for the geopolitics around resources flipping from petro states to states abundant with the metals needed to electrify everything.
    OK.
    Pssst!!! after he has gone to bed can you explain what that means?
    You understand that the requirement for oil has driven a lot of geopolitics over the last 80 years right?

    If we all ween ourselves off mass consumption of fossil fuels and just use it for the odd bit of plastic, that geopolitical situation doesn’t go away, it just shifts to somewhere else.

    So the likelihood as I see it right now is the amount of metals used to make batteries and the quality required will creates similar scenarios but wherever the metals are buried.
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  • focuszing723
    focuszing723 Posts: 8,097
    surrey_commuter said:

    focuszing723 said:

    rick_chasey said:

    focuszing723 said:

    Well, In my extremely advanced superior opinion. I think, nuclear fission will be perfected and we will all live happily ever after in a new intergalactic star trekian oneness.

    Or pets for AI life, something like that.

    Keep an eye out for the geopolitics around resources flipping from petro states to states abundant with the metals needed to electrify everything.
    OK.
    Pssst!!! after he has gone to bed can you explain what that means?
    The Worlds natural resource demands will switch even more so from dinosaur squeezings to all things electrical. Silliness will follow the resource/money.

    I thought it was positive the R&D going into Na-ion (sodium based) batteries. Hopefully the enlightened people will be able to perfect this and make it more comparable in performance to li-ion and liFePO4 batteries.
  • First.Aspect
    First.Aspect Posts: 17,102
    focuszing723 said:

    surrey_commuter said:

    focuszing723 said:

    rick_chasey said:

    focuszing723 said:

    Well, In my extremely advanced superior opinion. I think, nuclear fission will be perfected and we will all live happily ever after in a new intergalactic star trekian oneness.

    Or pets for AI life, something like that.

    Keep an eye out for the geopolitics around resources flipping from petro states to states abundant with the metals needed to electrify everything.
    OK.
    Pssst!!! after he has gone to bed can you explain what that means?
    The Worlds natural resource demands will switch even more so from dinosaur squeezings to all things electrical. Silliness will follow the resource/money.

    I thought it was positive the R&D going into Na-ion (sodium based) batteries. Hopefully the enlightened people will be able to perfect this and make it more comparable in performance to li-ion and liFePO4 batteries.
    There are a few technologies in the running, and a huge motivation to use something sodium based. But science is science and not economics.

    Most likely, for batteries, there will be several options.

    RC is right, but the petro geopolitical landscape will outlive all of us because the demand lives on and because petrodollars will buy a generations worth of whatever follows.

    Besides, a lot of mineral rights have already been sold. If it turns out that Guyana is sat on a lot of whatever is needed, for example, the Guyanese will stay poor.
  • rjsterry
    rjsterry Posts: 29,475
    First.Aspect said:

    focuszing723 said:

    surrey_commuter said:

    focuszing723 said:

    rick_chasey said:

    focuszing723 said:

    Well, In my extremely advanced superior opinion. I think, nuclear fission will be perfected and we will all live happily ever after in a new intergalactic star trekian oneness.

    Or pets for AI life, something like that.

    Keep an eye out for the geopolitics around resources flipping from petro states to states abundant with the metals needed to electrify everything.
    OK.
    Pssst!!! after he has gone to bed can you explain what that means?
    The Worlds natural resource demands will switch even more so from dinosaur squeezings to all things electrical. Silliness will follow the resource/money.

    I thought it was positive the R&D going into Na-ion (sodium based) batteries. Hopefully the enlightened people will be able to perfect this and make it more comparable in performance to li-ion and liFePO4 batteries.
    There are a few technologies in the running, and a huge motivation to use something sodium based. But science is science and not economics.

    Most likely, for batteries, there will be several options.

    RC is right, but the petro geopolitical landscape will outlive all of us because the demand lives on and because petrodollars will buy a generations worth of whatever follows.

    Besides, a lot of mineral rights have already been sold. If it turns out that Guyana is sat on a lot of whatever is needed, for example, the Guyanese will stay poor.
    Just look at South Wales and how well a Scot did from all the coal.
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  • rick_chasey
    rick_chasey Posts: 75,661
    Early reports that Ukraine are making good progress in the counter-offensive. Fingers crossed.
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  • shirley_basso
    shirley_basso Posts: 6,195
    N Korea supplying the Ruskies. Who would have thought it?

    Wonder if the boys from Hereford can disrupt that supply chain, too?
  • surrey_commuter
    surrey_commuter Posts: 18,867
    rick_chasey said:

    Early reports that Ukraine are making good progress in the counter-offensive. Fingers crossed.

    the cynic in me thinks that if that were true it would have been shouted from the rooftops and verified with satellite imagery
  • rick_chasey
    rick_chasey Posts: 75,661
    surrey_commuter said:

    rick_chasey said:

    Early reports that Ukraine are making good progress in the counter-offensive. Fingers crossed.

    the cynic in me thinks that if that were true it would have been shouted from the rooftops and verified with satellite imagery
    I expect it's all pretty heavily contested regardless.
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  • surrey_commuter
    surrey_commuter Posts: 18,867
    rick_chasey said:

    surrey_commuter said:

    rick_chasey said:

    Early reports that Ukraine are making good progress in the counter-offensive. Fingers crossed.

    the cynic in me thinks that if that were true it would have been shouted from the rooftops and verified with satellite imagery
    I expect it's all pretty heavily contested regardless.
    Ukraine is having a very good media war and this is seen as a politically motivated offensive to show the world that they can advance and break the deadlock before eveything shuts down for winter.

    If they were making significant gains you would know all about it
  • thegreatdivide
    thegreatdivide Posts: 5,807
    The Ukrainian government asked for a social media and reporting blackout just as the offensive kicked off. As an avid watcher of Twitter updates that was respected by the vast majority of folk. However, a week in and Twitter etc have really kicked off. The UF are indeed making major gains. Ivan the C*nt is getting pummelled in the South and North East.
  • thegreatdivide
    thegreatdivide Posts: 5,807
    They took the city of Balakliya yesterday, and captured Lieutenant General Andrei Sychevoi the other day, the commander of Russia’s West Group when they overran forces on the Kharkiv front. That’s a HUGE score.
  • briantrumpet
    briantrumpet Posts: 20,239
    thegreatdivide said:

    They took the city of Balakliya yesterday, and captured Lieutenant General Andrei Sychevoi the other day, the commander of Russia’s West Group when they overran forces on the Kharkiv front. That’s a HUGE score.


    And sounds like there might be more coming. Might explain why Putin is making the energy/food threats more explicit.

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  • briantrumpet
    briantrumpet Posts: 20,239
    I think it would be fair to say that Russian troops are on the back foot...

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  • Pross
    Pross Posts: 43,460
    Have they taken back any areas they didn't control prior to the full invasion?
  • briantrumpet
    briantrumpet Posts: 20,239
    Pross said:

    Have they taken back any areas they didn't control prior to the full invasion?


    Now that would be good.

    I do wonder how quickly the Russian ground troops would become demoralised were the Ukrainians to make rapid (re)gains. Would Putin be able to stomach admitting defeat in his mission, as it's hard to see how he could dress up a tactical withdrawal as anything positive, given his stated objectives.
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  • rick_chasey
    rick_chasey Posts: 75,661
    edited September 2022
    briantrumpet said:

    Pross said:

    Have they taken back any areas they didn't control prior to the full invasion?


    Now that would be good.

    I do wonder how quickly the Russian ground troops would become demoralised were the Ukrainians to make rapid (re)gains. Would Putin be able to stomach admitting defeat in his mission, as it's hard to see how he could dress up a tactical withdrawal as anything positive, given his stated objectives.
    Russian leaders don’t survive lost wars
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  • mully79
    mully79 Posts: 904
    rick_chasey said:

    surrey_commuter said:

    rick_chasey said:

    surrey_commuter said:

    rick_chasey said:

    Early reports that Ukraine are making good progress in the counter-offensive. Fingers crossed.

    the cynic in me thinks that if that were true it would have been shouted from the rooftops and verified with satellite imagery
    I expect it's all pretty heavily contested regardless.
    Ukraine is having a very good media war and this is seen as a politically motivated offensive to show the world that they can advance and break the deadlock before eveything shuts down for winter.

    If they were making significant gains you would know all about it
    Compared to what everyone (including the Ukranians) thought on the eve of war, I think Ukraine has performed exceptionally and I think
    briantrumpet said:

    Pross said:

    Have they taken back any areas they didn't control prior to the full invasion?


    Now that would be good.

    I do wonder how quickly the Russian ground troops would become demoralised were the Ukrainians to make rapid (re)gains. Would Putin be able to stomach admitting defeat in his mission, as it's hard to see how he could dress up a tactical withdrawal as anything positive, given his stated objectives.
    Russian leaders don’t survive lost wars
    He can’t be defeated if he hasn’t given a real aim.

    Based on De-Nazifying Ukraine he’s technically won as there will be no Ukrainian Nazis left when he says so. Just hope a decisive Ukrainian counter attack encourages him to declare his success earlier.
  • pblakeney
    pblakeney Posts: 27,266
    mully79 said:

    rick_chasey said:

    surrey_commuter said:

    rick_chasey said:

    surrey_commuter said:

    rick_chasey said:

    Early reports that Ukraine are making good progress in the counter-offensive. Fingers crossed.

    the cynic in me thinks that if that were true it would have been shouted from the rooftops and verified with satellite imagery
    I expect it's all pretty heavily contested regardless.
    Ukraine is having a very good media war and this is seen as a politically motivated offensive to show the world that they can advance and break the deadlock before eveything shuts down for winter.

    If they were making significant gains you would know all about it
    Compared to what everyone (including the Ukranians) thought on the eve of war, I think Ukraine has performed exceptionally and I think
    briantrumpet said:

    Pross said:

    Have they taken back any areas they didn't control prior to the full invasion?


    Now that would be good.

    I do wonder how quickly the Russian ground troops would become demoralised were the Ukrainians to make rapid (re)gains. Would Putin be able to stomach admitting defeat in his mission, as it's hard to see how he could dress up a tactical withdrawal as anything positive, given his stated objectives.
    Russian leaders don’t survive lost wars
    He can’t be defeated if he hasn’t given a real aim.

    Based on De-werewolving Ukraine he’s technically won as there will be no Ukrainian werewolves left when he says so. Just hope a decisive Ukrainian counter attack encourages him to declare his success earlier.
    Clever.
    If you read my modifications he can claim 100% success. Nonsense, but still...
    The above may be fact, or fiction, I may be serious, I may be jesting.
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  • First.Aspect
    First.Aspect Posts: 17,102
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    pblakeney said:

    mully79 said:

    rick_chasey said:

    surrey_commuter said:

    rick_chasey said:

    surrey_commuter said:

    rick_chasey said:

    Early reports that Ukraine are making good progress in the counter-offensive. Fingers crossed.

    the cynic in me thinks that if that were true it would have been shouted from the rooftops and verified with satellite imagery
    I expect it's all pretty heavily contested regardless.
    Ukraine is having a very good media war and this is seen as a politically motivated offensive to show the world that they can advance and break the deadlock before eveything shuts down for winter.

    If they were making significant gains you would know all about it
    Compared to what everyone (including the Ukranians) thought on the eve of war, I think Ukraine has performed exceptionally and I think
    briantrumpet said:

    Pross said:

    Have they taken back any areas they didn't control prior to the full invasion?


    Now that would be good.

    I do wonder how quickly the Russian ground troops would become demoralised were the Ukrainians to make rapid (re)gains. Would Putin be able to stomach admitting defeat in his mission, as it's hard to see how he could dress up a tactical withdrawal as anything positive, given his stated objectives.
    Russian leaders don’t survive lost wars
    He can’t be defeated if he hasn’t given a real aim.

    Based on De-werewolving Ukraine he’s technically won as there will be no Ukrainian werewolves left when he says so. Just hope a decisive Ukrainian counter attack encourages him to declare his success earlier.
    Clever.
    If you read my modifications he can claim 100% success. Nonsense, but still...
    He can't lose a war either if there isn't one.
  • briantrumpet
    briantrumpet Posts: 20,239
    So he might have more than one exit ramp, if he decides that the 'tactical change in plan' (aka being suffering a rout) means he can claim his objectives have been achieved.
    https://www.facebook.com/unanglaisendiois
  • rick_chasey
    rick_chasey Posts: 75,661
    The rhetoric in Russia is hardly low key on the matter
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  • orraloon
    orraloon Posts: 13,227
    Where's 'Lord' Lebedev of Hampton and Siberia these days?

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