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  • MattFalle
    MattFalle Posts: 11,644
    thry'll have made no difference at ll - he'll still have gone in.

    he had his mind set on it and he would have ploughed on regardless.
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    The camera down the willy isn't anything like as bad as it sounds.
  • First.Aspect
    First.Aspect Posts: 17,102
    Might have influenced how reliant the EU became on Russian commodities though.
  • MattFalle
    MattFalle Posts: 11,644

    Might have influenced how reliant the EU became on Russian commodities though.

    eu has been reliant on russia for far to long to disentangle itself quickly, plus remember that Russian money has been flowing into Europe and espesh Britain since the 80s

    could you honestly see the Tories 5,6,7,8 yesrs ago giving up on their russian feeders?
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    The camera down the willy isn't anything like as bad as it sounds.
  • orraloon
    orraloon Posts: 13,227
    A friend works as housekeeper for a family where the lead male is CEO of a big FTSE orgn. So big estate.

    They've had a Ukrainian family staying these past months, they have 2 young kids and a baby. Today they left to return to Ukraine. They want to be in their own country, their view is that this war could continue for years so they'd rather be there.

    Best wishes and good luck to them.
  • Pross
    Pross Posts: 43,460
    Was only thinking yesterday that Ukraine must be in stalemate as the Western media seem to have got bored but the BBC have found time to cover it again tonight.

    I can't workout if the relative stalemate is good or bad for Ukraine. On the plus side there were initial concerns that the Russians would advance once the mud dried up and every day that passes is a day closure to Putin snuffing it. On the negative side it's giving Russia a chance to reinforce and re-supply.

    Anyone know how the opening up of the Black Sea ports is going?
  • Stevo_666
    Stevo_666 Posts: 61,287
    Pross said:

    Was only thinking yesterday that Ukraine must be in stalemate as the Western media seem to have got bored but the BBC have found time to cover it again tonight.

    I can't workout if the relative stalemate is good or bad for Ukraine. On the plus side there were initial concerns that the Russians would advance once the mud dried up and every day that passes is a day closure to Putin snuffing it. On the negative side it's giving Russia a chance to reinforce and re-supply.

    Anyone know how the opening up of the Black Sea ports is going?

    Not sure, but McDonald's announced today that they were reopening in Ukraine.
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  • There's plenty of daily updates out there on the current situation. The morning update from the Ministry of Defence is well worth reading.

    Russian forces are really starting to fracture. They now have to fight on two fronts and that's going to cause them a lot of trouble. They can't push forward very far in the NE - a few km a week if that - and they're making zero ground in the South.

    The UF continue to accurately pick off Russian supply depots with HIMARS, and whatever happened in Crimea it was a massive morale boost.

    This new video from the OSINTtechnical chap on Twitter sums up Russia's war:

  • Pross
    Pross Posts: 43,460
    I certainly wouldn't want to be doing the job they were showing on yesterday's news and exhuming the dead bodies for repatriation especially not if the weather over there has been similar to that in Western Europe this summer.
  • First.Aspect
    First.Aspect Posts: 17,102
    If its a 17 part message is twitter quite the right outlet?
  • rjsterry
    rjsterry Posts: 29,475

    If its a 17 part message is twitter quite the right outlet?

    Publishing on some random blog or other won't have the coverage.
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  • rick_chasey
    rick_chasey Posts: 75,661
    It was more the graphic I thought was interesting.
  • rick_chasey
    rick_chasey Posts: 75,661
    Some evidence to suggest Russians are storing weapons and ammunition literally in Nuclear Powerplants to avoid the Ukranians doing what they do and blowing them all up.

    But Amnesty is blaming Ukraine for this, of course. What a shower.
  • focuszing723
    focuszing723 Posts: 8,101
    edited August 2022
    On 24 February 2022, the Ukrainian electricity grid disconnected from the post-Soviet IPS/UPS grid, ahead of synchronising with the Synchronous grid of Continental Europe which was achieved on March 16.

    In March 2022, Russian forces seized control of the Zaporizhzhia Nuclear Power Plant. It continues to operate and supply data, including from a remote monitoring system, to the International Atomic Energy Agency. On 6 June, IAEA Director General Rafael Grossi said "at least five of the seven indispensable pillars of nuclear safety and security have been compromised" in Russia's occupation of the plant, and after attacks in August, that all seven had been breached.
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nuclear_power_in_Ukraine#:~:text=Ukraine operates four nuclear power,nuclear power stations in Ukraine.

    Ukraine has four plants with fifteenth reactors. In 2019 nuclear power produced 20% or their requirements, but by 2020 that became 50%.

    Bit of background.

  • focuszing723
    focuszing723 Posts: 8,101
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  • ddraver
    ddraver Posts: 26,691
    If ever there was an actual, real false flag operation it's this Dugan incident innit..?
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  • TheBigBean
    TheBigBean Posts: 21,855
    edited August 2022
    ddraver said:

    If ever there was an actual, real false flag operation it's this Dugan incident innit..?

    I don't think it can be that simple given how high profile the target is. So if it is a false flag then it must be at least one of following as well 1. Daughter is still alive 2. Daughter was up to no good 3. Dugan has fallen put of favour.

    Alternatively, it was the work of Ukraine or another country. Assinating leaders during a war seems to be a pretty standard approach.

    Plus what is to be gained from the false flag? Russia will bomb some more civilians? Or perhaps more people will volunteer for the army?
  • rick_chasey
    rick_chasey Posts: 75,661

    ddraver said:

    If ever there was an actual, real false flag operation it's this Dugan incident innit..?

    I don't think it can be that simple given how high profile the target is. So if it is a false flag then it must be at least one of following as well 1. Daughter is still alive 2. Daughter was up to no good 3. Dugan has fallen put of favour.

    Alternatively, it was the work of Ukraine or another country. Assinating leaders during a war seems to be a pretty standard approach.

    Plus what is to be gained from the false flag? Russia will bomb some more civilians? Or perhaps more people will volunteer for the army?
    Consensus from professional Russia watchers is the evidence the police have found remarkably quickly is obviously fabricated so we can assume we won’t find out who actually did it.

    They seem to be of the view that what’s important is how different groups react to it.

    Options include state/Putin using it as an excuse to be more authoritarian, or give a green light for authorities to declare it a war and not a special operation, with the associated mobilisation, or if it’s a sign from Putin rebels that they mean business or all sorts.

    FWIW Stalin did this stuff a lot to justify more repression so it’s not without precedent in Russia.
  • HilaryAmin
    HilaryAmin Posts: 160
    Philip Short's "His Life and Times: Putin" is a handy guide to Russia's leader.

    Dugin would have been useful to Putin at times and if his assassination could be beneficial to the cause then Putin would have no compunction in allowing it or being complicit, even. The same would apply to Darya Dugina.

    The attacks on nuclear sites are also classic Putin tactics.
  • DeVlaeminck
    DeVlaeminck Posts: 9,088
    I guess we'll never know the truth even if British intelligence services do.
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  • rjsterry
    rjsterry Posts: 29,475

    ddraver said:

    If ever there was an actual, real false flag operation it's this Dugan incident innit..?

    I don't think it can be that simple given how high profile the target is. So if it is a false flag then it must be at least one of following as well 1. Daughter is still alive 2. Daughter was up to no good 3. Dugan has fallen put of favour.

    Alternatively, it was the work of Ukraine or another country. Assinating leaders during a war seems to be a pretty standard approach.

    Plus what is to be gained from the false flag? Russia will bomb some more civilians? Or perhaps more people will volunteer for the army?
    Forget where I read it, but the suggestion was of Russian anti-government partisans being responsible. Easy to forget that there are Russians who oppose Putin.
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  • Dorset_Boy
    Dorset_Boy Posts: 7,541

    I guess we'll never know the truth even if British intelligence services do.

    We'll only know the truth if it is deemed beneficial for us and others to know.
  • rick_chasey
    rick_chasey Posts: 75,661
    Lol we’ll never know.
  • ddraver
    ddraver Posts: 26,691
    (Part of the reasoning for my comment was the reality that false flag operations - in the modern day, Alex jones, meaning of the phrase - aren't ever actually a thing.

    Historically though, guess what country has a habit of it...)
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  • briantrumpet
    briantrumpet Posts: 20,243
    rjsterry said:

    ddraver said:

    If ever there was an actual, real false flag operation it's this Dugan incident innit..?

    I don't think it can be that simple given how high profile the target is. So if it is a false flag then it must be at least one of following as well 1. Daughter is still alive 2. Daughter was up to no good 3. Dugan has fallen put of favour.

    Alternatively, it was the work of Ukraine or another country. Assinating leaders during a war seems to be a pretty standard approach.

    Plus what is to be gained from the false flag? Russia will bomb some more civilians? Or perhaps more people will volunteer for the army?
    Forget where I read it, but the suggestion was of Russian anti-government partisans being responsible. Easy to forget that there are Russians who oppose Putin.

    Don't forget to quote it if it's on Twitter, as it must be true, or, if not true, at least getting the gist correct. Or if not getting the gist correct, getting everyone's attention.
  • Not sure what game Boris is playing linking UK support for Ukrain to economic hardship. Maybe his paymasters are using him as a warm up act for Farage.
  • rick_chasey
    rick_chasey Posts: 75,661

    Not sure what game Boris is playing linking UK support for Ukrain to economic hardship. Maybe his paymasters are using him as a warm up act for Farage.

    Whole of Western Europe is using that line. We’re basically at war, save for Brit troops fighting themselves, and that is what is driving inflation.
  • The UK is a nuclear power. That is a projection of power.
    As a member of the G7, that is a projection of power.

    Even the BBC World Service is a projection of power.

    I think you're confusing 'projection' with 'influence'. Either that, or I missed the bit where BBC World Service employees got into a firefight with the Taliban in Helmand....

    The UK is a nuclear power. That is a projection of power.
    As a member of the G7, that is a projection of power.

    Even the BBC World Service is a projection of power.

    I think you're confusing 'projection' with 'influence'. Either that, or I missed the bit where BBC World Service employees got into a firefight with the Taliban in Helmand....
    I imagine the BBC could deploy more peo

    Not sure what game Boris is playing linking UK support for Ukrain to economic hardship. Maybe his paymasters are using him as a warm up act for Farage.

    Whole of Western Europe is using that line. We’re basically at war, save for Brit troops fighting themselves, and that is what is driving inflation.
    We really are not at war with Russia in any shape or form
  • rick_chasey
    rick_chasey Posts: 75,661
    edited August 2022
    Apart from the actual fighting but in every other sense we are.

    Economically we most certainly are. This crisis is directly caused by the war.