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  • rjsterry
    rjsterry Posts: 29,475
    rick_chasey said:

    Interesting that both the Armenia / Azerbaijan and Tajikistan /Kyrgyzstan tensions are flaring up again with firing on each side in both.

    Clearly they're sensing a power vacuum left by Russia.

    Or Russia is stirring things up to distract attention.
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  • rick_chasey
    rick_chasey Posts: 75,661
    Mmm not really. They brokered the original Azeri-Armenian ceasefire.
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  • First.Aspect
    First.Aspect Posts: 17,102
    rjsterry said:

    rick_chasey said:

    Interesting that both the Armenia / Azerbaijan and Tajikistan /Kyrgyzstan tensions are flaring up again with firing on each side in both.

    Clearly they're sensing a power vacuum left by Russia.

    Or Russia is stirring things up to distract attention.
    Don't think so, unless it is a means for Russia to be a peacekeeper, for international relations purposes. More like, I think, the parents are away on holiday in the Donbas so we can have a party.
  • MattFalle
    MattFalle Posts: 11,644
    edited September 2022
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    First.Aspect said:

    rjsterry said:

    rick_chasey said:

    Interesting that both the Armenia / Azerbaijan and Tajikistan /Kyrgyzstan tensions are flaring up again with firing on each side in both.

    Clearly they're sensing a power vacuum left by Russia.

    Or Russia is stirring things up to distract attention.
    Don't think so, unless it is a means for Russia to be a peacekeeper, for international relations purposes. More like, I think, the parents are away on holiday in the Donbas so we can have a party.
    this

    they're using Russia's internal confusion at the moment coupled with their stretching of military resources to test the boundaries.

    be interesting to see how this aspect develops tbh.

    on a geopo scale its also showing the western world how many different states there are and just how blimmin' big the area we're talking about is.
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  • Pross
    Pross Posts: 43,460
    rick_chasey said:

    Mmm not really. They brokered the original Azeri-Armenian ceasefire.

    I never really understood the politics of that war but the impression I got was they brokered a ceasefire that suited their preferred country's interests.
  • rick_chasey
    rick_chasey Posts: 75,661
    edited September 2022
    Pross said:

    rick_chasey said:

    Mmm not really. They brokered the original Azeri-Armenian ceasefire.

    I never really understood the politics of that war but the impression I got was they brokered a ceasefire that suited their preferred country's interests.
    Sure. Still brokered it. Could have thrown their weight behind the Armenians more fully if they wanted to (though perhaps judging by how bad they seem to be at this war stuff at the moment, perhaps not)
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  • thegreatdivide
    thegreatdivide Posts: 5,807
    When your morale remains high you're pretty much unbeatable. I can't see the UF flagging yet.

  • thegreatdivide
    thegreatdivide Posts: 5,807
    The amount of captured Ex Soviet / modern Russian ammunition has been pretty incredible. Lots of abandoned artillery stores which will help the UF re employ many of their own heavy weapons.
  • Stevo_666
    Stevo_666 Posts: 61,287
    thegreatdivide said:

    The amount of captured Ex Soviet / modern Russian ammunition has been pretty incredible. Lots of abandoned artillery stores which will help the UF re employ many of their own heavy weapons.

    I mentioned above that the Ukrainians were joking that Russia is now their largest supplier of military equipment. Probably only half joking at the moment.
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  • MattFalle
    MattFalle Posts: 11,644
    thegreatdivide said:

    The amount of captured Ex Soviet / modern Russian ammunition has been pretty incredible. Lots of abandoned artillery stores which will help the UF re employ many of their own heavy weapons.

    So long as the calibres match, yup.

    otherwise they can just trade/sell it for stuff that does work.
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    The camera down the willy isn't anything like as bad as it sounds.
  • briantrumpet
    briantrumpet Posts: 20,239
    Will be interesting to see if this plays out as hinted...



    Other stuff seems to suggest that the Ruskies are trying small half-hearted counter-offences, but that they have all been fairly easily repelled.
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  • MattFalle
    MattFalle Posts: 11,644
    Another example of why the Russians are ultimately totallyshitebag -

    "Fellas, listen in. We need to do something to show that we're Russians. Ivan, get that rattle can of white and spray that multi million Dollar state of the art aeroplane. It'll look well PRO and SF and stuff."



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    The camera down the willy isn't anything like as bad as it sounds.
  • thegreatdivide
    thegreatdivide Posts: 5,807
    The Su-25 can never be described as 'state of the art'. It's a smokey old bomb tractor that can fly very low. The Poundland A-10.
  • briantrumpet
    briantrumpet Posts: 20,239
    thegreatdivide said:

    The Su-25 can never be described as 'state of the art'. It's a smokey old bomb tractor that can fly very low. The Poundland A-10.


    Do you remember Concordski breaking up at the Paris air show in 1973?

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bEIAMM13RFQ

    Oops.
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  • thegreatdivide
    thegreatdivide Posts: 5,807
    Ivan is an expert in building things on the cheap.
  • thegreatdivide
    thegreatdivide Posts: 5,807
    Probably pissed behind the joystick...

    https://www.thedrive.com/the-war-zone/su-25-attack-jet-crash-may-point-to-wider-russian-airpower-issues
  • briantrumpet
    briantrumpet Posts: 20,239
    thegreatdivide said:

    Ivan is an expert in building things on the cheap.


    I can't remember if it was a theory at the time that they knew Ivan would be spying on Concord, so they fed in some dodgy figures... though it's more likely that Ivan screwed up the engineering all by himself.
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  • shirley_basso
    shirley_basso Posts: 6,195
    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-62965998

    thoughts on the sham referendums, a la crimea?

    I want the war to end, and am fortunate enough to swallow the resultant energy price rises (which, by all accounts were rising well before the conflict kicked off). On the other hand I want the Russian military to be obliterated, which hopefully will happen if we have another winter.
  • sungod
    sungod Posts: 17,322
    shirley_basso said:

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-62965998

    thoughts on the sham referendums, a la crimea?

    I want the war to end, and am fortunate enough to swallow the resultant energy price rises (which, by all accounts were rising well before the conflict kicked off). On the other hand I want the Russian military to be obliterated, which hopefully will happen if we have another winter.

    pure eye candy for russian media and putin's chums at home and abroad

    no votes for the displaced/imprisoned/disappeared, but the result would be as decreed by putin, irrespective of actual votes cast
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  • TheBigBean
    TheBigBean Posts: 21,854
    shirley_basso said:

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-62965998

    thoughts on the sham referendums, a la crimea?

    I want the war to end, and am fortunate enough to swallow the resultant energy price rises (which, by all accounts were rising well before the conflict kicked off). On the other hand I want the Russian military to be obliterated, which hopefully will happen if we have another winter.

    Sham referendums should be avoided, but ignoring the right to self-determination should also be avoided.
  • MattFalle
    MattFalle Posts: 11,644
    problem is, its incredibly hard to reverse, corrupt or not.....
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    The camera down the willy isn't anything like as bad as it sounds.
  • MattFalle
    MattFalle Posts: 11,644
    sungod said:

    shirley_basso said:

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-62965998

    thoughts on the sham referendums, a la crimea?

    I want the war to end, and am fortunate enough to swallow the resultant energy price rises (which, by all accounts were rising well before the conflict kicked off). On the other hand I want the Russian military to be obliterated, which hopefully will happen if we have another winter.

    pure eye candy for russian media and putin's chums at home and abroad

    no votes for the displaced/imprisoned/disappeared, but the result would be as decreed by putin, irrespective of actual votes cast
    well yeah, obvs, innit.
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    The camera down the willy isn't anything like as bad as it sounds.
  • shirley_basso
    shirley_basso Posts: 6,195
    If russia controls the regions, then they can declare a referendum, declare the sham result and then we get a bit stuck as Ukraine can't get that land back....
  • MattFalle
    MattFalle Posts: 11,644
    shirley_basso said:

    If russia controls the regions, then they can declare a referendum, declare the sham result and then we get a bit stuck as Ukraine can't get that land back....

    and then any military action to take that bit of land is an aggressive act that could be (or will be) viewed as an act of war in Putin's eyes leading to all kinds of shenanigans
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    The camera down the willy isn't anything like as bad as it sounds.
  • Stevo_666
    Stevo_666 Posts: 61,287
    MattFalle said:

    shirley_basso said:

    If russia controls the regions, then they can declare a referendum, declare the sham result and then we get a bit stuck as Ukraine can't get that land back....

    and then any military action to take that bit of land is an aggressive act that could be (or will be) viewed as an act of war in Putin's eyes leading to all kinds of shenanigans
    The Ukrainians have already said, go ahead and hold a sham referendum, we're not backing off. And advises the Russkies that they'd be better off spending the time running away.
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  • imposter2.0
    imposter2.0 Posts: 12,028
    thegreatdivide said:

    The Su-25 can never be described as 'state of the art'. It's a smokey old bomb tractor that can fly very low. The Poundland A-10.

    Not sure that's fair. The A-10 is actually an older design than the Su-25 and many would argue that it is actually better at the CAS role than the A-10. A-10 carries a higher overall payload, but both have similar numbers of hardpoints, which - when you are providing CAS - is important. Su-25 is also better armoured. In reality, there's probably not a lot in it - but they are both out-dated designs of a similar age, while still being effective.
  • thegreatdivide
    thegreatdivide Posts: 5,807
    edited September 2022
    It’s a Poundland A-10.

    Everything written about it was pre Feb 22. We now know that Russian equipment was all talk.
  • imposter2.0
    imposter2.0 Posts: 12,028
    thegreatdivide said:

    It’s a Poundland A-10.

    Everything written about it was pre Feb 22. We now know that Russian equipment was all talk.

    It doesn't matter when it was written - the technical comparison doesn't change.

    I don't know what you mean by 'poundland A-10' - the Su-25s operated by the UkrAF seem to be performing well enough. Less so the Russia's own Su-25s, but that probably isn't the plane's fault.
  • imposter2.0
    imposter2.0 Posts: 12,028
    And to be fair - there's nothing 'wrong' with Russian kit, generally speaking. Their export sales and usage in multiple other wars around the world for the last 70 years or so is evidence of that. The bigger issue is with the people operating it and directing it.
  • rick_chasey
    rick_chasey Posts: 75,661
    So according to the interviews with some war studies guy on the Rachman Review, mobilisation takes roughly 9 months at the fastest to feed through, and even then the troops are hardly A grade.
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