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that's a ridiculous comment betraying a profound ignorance and is insulting to the people of ukrainejohn80 said:
If Ukraine falls that quickly and without much Russian cost you can only assume their heart was not really in it as they do have some weaponry...ugo.santalucia said:Blitzkrieg, by the look of things...
Kiev might fall in days. As seen in Syria, it looks like Russia is a lot more effective than the US, when it comes to warfare.
the russian military dwarfs ukraine's and attacking from three sides, there's no practical way the ukrainians can hope to resist for long
ukraine's air capability has been significantly degraded, maybe eliminated, it was one of the first targets, as were radar installations
russia dominates the airspace, has enormous conventionally armed guided missile capability, land, air and sea, with which to launch stand-off attacks, with large ground and seaborne forces in position, it can strike where it likes with little risk
ukraine now has little or no air power, far smaller ground based forces, some drones, fewer/less capable missiles, little/no anti-missile systems, the war is already lost
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It would probably be quite sensible in the short term to give up. At least the country then still exists should it ever be returned to independence.
Sadly for Ukrainians, they will soon be subject to whatever economic crisis ensues in Russia.0 -
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Not entirely sure he isn't unhinged enough to use one of his. Trying not to think about it.0
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Unexpected casualty of corona; paranoid Putin (rumour is he really is frightened about it as he has some underlying health issues and Sputnik ain't all that) was literally very isolated for the last 2 and a half years.First.Aspect said:Not entirely sure he isn't unhinged enough to use one of his. Trying not to think about it.
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That was always my feeling, but somehow the rhetoric of the West was that of a mighty army, capable of defending the country. Clearly this is not the case.sungod said:
ukraine now has little or no air power, far smaller ground based forces, some drones, fewer/less capable missiles, little/no anti-missile systems, the war is already lost
It's down to how much resistance there will be left in the mountains of the West, but it might well be that Russia is not even interested in going there at all... after their experience with the mountains of Afghanistan...
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Easy for me to say but I guess it's a balance between making it as painful as possible for the Russians.First.Aspect said:It would probably be quite sensible in the short term to give up. At least the country then still exists should it ever be returned to independence.
Sadly for Ukrainians, they will soon be subject to whatever economic crisis ensues in Russia.
You suspect the insurgency will be some of the best equipped and best funded for a long long time.0 -
Feels a bit awkward listening to Johnson being indignant about Putin lying and breaking international law.- Genesis Croix de Fer
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I'm guessing Germany are allowing our military aircraft to fly over their land now?0
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Good bit of selective quoting there. Well done.sungod said:
that's a ridiculous comment betraying a profound ignorance and is insulting to the people of ukrainejohn80 said:
If Ukraine falls that quickly and without much Russian cost you can only assume their heart was not really in it as they do have some weaponry...ugo.santalucia said:Blitzkrieg, by the look of things...
Kiev might fall in days. As seen in Syria, it looks like Russia is a lot more effective than the US, when it comes to warfare.
the russian military dwarfs ukraine's and attacking from three sides, there's no practical way the ukrainians can hope to resist for long
ukraine's air capability has been significantly degraded, maybe eliminated, it was one of the first targets, as were radar installations
russia dominates the airspace, has enormous conventionally armed guided missile capability, land, air and sea, with which to launch stand-off attacks, with large ground and seaborne forces in position, it can strike where it likes with little risk
ukraine now has little or no air power, far smaller ground based forces, some drones, fewer/less capable missiles, little/no anti-missile systems, the war is already lost0 -
I wouldn’t be so sure. Son in law out there on exercise (REME) Driving a truck someone ran in to it as they were coming out of camp. Drove the truck 50 metres back in to camp so as not block the road. Nearly got arrested for moving a vehicle from the scene of an accident.focuszing723 said:I'm guessing Germany are allowing our military aircraft to fly over their land now?
This was last week. The exercise was to prepare some battle group who are now on their way to Estonia.0 -
Not sure any of the rest of your comment helped that statement.john80 said:
Good bit of selective quoting there. Well done.sungod said:
that's a ridiculous comment betraying a profound ignorance and is insulting to the people of ukrainejohn80 said:
If Ukraine falls that quickly and without much Russian cost you can only assume their heart was not really in it as they do have some weaponry...ugo.santalucia said:Blitzkrieg, by the look of things...
Kiev might fall in days. As seen in Syria, it looks like Russia is a lot more effective than the US, when it comes to warfare.
the russian military dwarfs ukraine's and attacking from three sides, there's no practical way the ukrainians can hope to resist for long
ukraine's air capability has been significantly degraded, maybe eliminated, it was one of the first targets, as were radar installations
russia dominates the airspace, has enormous conventionally armed guided missile capability, land, air and sea, with which to launch stand-off attacks, with large ground and seaborne forces in position, it can strike where it likes with little risk
ukraine now has little or no air power, far smaller ground based forces, some drones, fewer/less capable missiles, little/no anti-missile systems, the war is already lost- Genesis Croix de Fer
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The Su-25 is what Russia is using to attack Ukraine. It’s the poor man’s A-10. The Su-27 is also Russia’s main fighter, but there are various versions of it.ugo.santalucia said:I was hoping they would strike from the air at the invaders on the ground, but looking at their air force, it seems they are a bit dated on technology and probably useless...
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ukrainian_Air_Force#Current_inventory
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Well the Leave. EU gang are keen to out themselves as paid up Putin supporters. To nobody's surprise.1985 Mercian King of Mercia - work in progress (Hah! Who am I kidding?)
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Either this doesn’t work or it’s limited to very few articlestailwindhome said:0 -
Hang on, wasn't Trumps point that the EU should step up to the plate and pay their fair share towards NATO (a higher percentage of their GBP)?
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Interesting that Greece is the second highest on the list by GDP0
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Worried about Turkey who lay claim to a lot of the Greek islands?Pross said:Interesting that Greece is the second highest on the list by GDP
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Yes they’re constantly rowing with TurkeyDorset_Boy said:
Worried about Turkey who lay claim to a lot of the Greek islands?Pross said:Interesting that Greece is the second highest on the list by GDP
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Maybe myself :-)Stevo_666 said:
I see the French govt. have threatened Russia with nukes if the EU is attacked.
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From the FT:
Russia’s stock market dropped at a record-breaking pace and the rouble plunged after Moscow launched a full-scale invasion of neighbouring Ukraine.
The Moex index briefly fell 45 per cent before recovering to close the main session 33 per cent lower, while the rouble tumbled to a record low against the dollar on Thursday after President Vladimir Putin launched what he called a “special military operation” to demilitarise and “de-Nazify” Ukraine.
Shares in oil and gas majors plummeted, with Gazprom down 37 per cent and Lukoil and Novatek declining 34 per cent and 20 per cent respectively, leaving the Moex down 46 per cent since the start of the year. The scale of the shock to markets suggests that investors had expected Putin to back down.
“You have the panic button being hit right now, I don’t think the market was pricing in the risk of a proper military conflict,” said Emmanuel Cau, head of European equity strategy at Barclays. “For the time being, it’s hard to see what could be a trigger for the market to stabilise.”
The invasion also triggered a drop in London-based Russian stocks traded as global depositary receipts — a type of bank certificate that securitises the ownership of shares.
Sberbank, the most actively traded Russian stock on the London Stock Exchange, plummeted 72 per cent. Gazprom closed 28 per cent lower, while Lukoil was down more than two-fifths.
“At this point in time, people are saying ‘get me out and get me out at any price’,” said Luis Saenz, head of international distribution at Sinara, a Russian investment company. “The vast majority of people are expecting the next round of sanctions to be impactful on their ability to invest in Russian stocks.”
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Novatek should have stuck to making hubs...pinno said:From the FT:
Shares in oil and gas majors plummeted, with Gazprom down 37 per cent and Lukoil and Novatek declining 34 per cent and 20 per cent respectively, leaving the Moex down 46 per cent since the start of the year. The scale of the shock to markets suggests that investors had expected Putin to back down.
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