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  • focuszing723
    focuszing723 Posts: 8,124
    ddraver said:

    Forget about that though, if the Universe is infinite, it's expanding but...there's nothing for it "outside" to expand into so it's expanding...into itself...

    Blimey, yes. How can it expand? What is it expanding to. Who created the space it's trying to expand into. Why is it trying to expand? Is it on twitter?..
  • TheBigBean
    TheBigBean Posts: 21,858
    ddraver said:

    Forget about that though, if the Universe is infinite, it's expanding but...there's nothing for it "outside" to expand into so it's expanding...into itself...

    Think of it like the surface of a balloon when it is being being blown up. That in more dimensions.
  • briantrumpet
    briantrumpet Posts: 20,256
    I take a little solace from this quotation:

    "I was born not knowing and have only a little time to change that here and there. It is fun to find things you thought you knew, and then to discover you didn't really understand it after all."

    Some chap called Richard Feynman.
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  • DeVlaeminck
    DeVlaeminck Posts: 9,092
    Anyone else get the feeling NATO countries are becoming more determined Russia aren't going to "win" this war?

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  • pblakeney
    pblakeney Posts: 27,280
    DeVlaeminck said:

    Anyone else get the feeling NATO countries are becoming more determined Russia aren't going to "win" this war?

    Been obvious for quite some time I thought.
    The above may be fact, or fiction, I may be serious, I may be jesting.
    I am not sure. You have no chance.
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  • DeVlaeminck
    DeVlaeminck Posts: 9,092
    German self propelled anti aircraft guns and tanks from Poland - I don't think it's been obvious for some time that that kind of weaponry was going to be delivered.

    It's only a week or two ago Zelensky was quite dismissive of the support some nations had offered.
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  • pblakeney
    pblakeney Posts: 27,280
    edited April 2022
    This is from 13th April.
    thegreatdivide said:



    These, plus the Czech tanks, plus the 50 first gen Leopard tanks from Rheinmetall, plus the multitude of repurposed 'captured' tanks from Ivan the C*nt. That's going to be some collection.
    The above may be fact, or fiction, I may be serious, I may be jesting.
    I am not sure. You have no chance.
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    PB is the most sensible person on here.
  • focuszing723
    focuszing723 Posts: 8,124
    Please can we all start to thank Elon Musk for the pursuit of free speech every time we post up a tweet.
  • rjsterry
    rjsterry Posts: 29,491
    focuszing723 said:

    Please can we all start to thank Elon Musk for the pursuit of free speech every time we post up a tweet.

    No.
    1985 Mercian King of Mercia - work in progress (Hah! Who am I kidding?)
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    Part of the anti-growth coalition
  • focuszing723
    focuszing723 Posts: 8,124
    rjsterry said:

    focuszing723 said:

    Please can we all start to thank Elon Musk for the pursuit of free speech every time we post up a tweet.

    No.
    Oh.

    A little rocket, car or exploding mind emoji 🚀🚗🤯?
  • DeVlaeminck
    DeVlaeminck Posts: 9,092
    pblakeney said:

    This is from 13th April.

    thegreatdivide said:



    These, plus the Czech tanks, plus the 50 first gen Leopard tanks from Rheinmetall, plus the multitude of repurposed 'captured' tanks from Ivan the C*nt. That's going to be some collection.
    Yes which is relatively recent and only officially confirmed yesterday. The UK has also announced it will provide Poland with our tanks so providing more security from Russia for them.

    Now the highly significant move of Germany supplying heavy self propelled anti aircraft weapons.

    Extra military aid announced by UK and USA

    The US defence secretary talking openly about weakening Russia and defeat deterring future aggression.

    There's been a definite ramping up of support - just the statement from Poland that yes we are providing tanks adds extra pressure on Putin.
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  • pblakeney
    pblakeney Posts: 27,280
    Believing that the public know all that is happening in a war situation is naive at best.
    Do you really think Ukraine has been having it's success unaided?
    They are letting you know what they want you to know while rebuffing Putin.
    The above may be fact, or fiction, I may be serious, I may be jesting.
    I am not sure. You have no chance.
    Veronese68 wrote:
    PB is the most sensible person on here.
  • Dorset_Boy
    Dorset_Boy Posts: 7,544
    Russia has cut gas supplies to Poland and Bulgaria as neither would pay in roubles.
    Poland, in typical fashsion, has said they will cope!
  • briantrumpet
    briantrumpet Posts: 20,256
    DeVlaeminck said:

    pblakeney said:

    This is from 13th April.

    thegreatdivide said:



    These, plus the Czech tanks, plus the 50 first gen Leopard tanks from Rheinmetall, plus the multitude of repurposed 'captured' tanks from Ivan the C*nt. That's going to be some collection.
    Yes which is relatively recent and only officially confirmed yesterday. The UK has also announced it will provide Poland with our tanks so providing more security from Russia for them.

    Now the highly significant move of Germany supplying heavy self propelled anti aircraft weapons.

    Extra military aid announced by UK and USA

    The US defence secretary talking openly about weakening Russia and defeat deterring future aggression.

    There's been a definite ramping up of support - just the statement from Poland that yes we are providing tanks adds extra pressure on Putin.

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  • briantrumpet
    briantrumpet Posts: 20,256
    It certainly seems, so far, that Ukraine has both played its hand very well, and had useful assistance in doing so. I suspect it will feature in history studies in the future, and will play a big part in shaping NATO strategies henceforth too.

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  • thegreatdivide
    thegreatdivide Posts: 5,807
    The Flakpanzer Gepard that the Germans have given Ukraine is a serious bit of kit. It can shred aircraft. They're sometimes used in conjunction with Stinger teams on foot who take advantage on the Gepard's radar. They even started fitting Stingers to the turrets as well. It's got a range of about three and a half miles, so f*ck being a Russian pilot in the vicinity of one of them.

    Oh and it can also be used against tanks.
  • DeVlaeminck
    DeVlaeminck Posts: 9,092
    pblakeney said:

    Believing that the public know all that is happening in a war situation is naive at best.
    Do you really think Ukraine has been having it's success unaided?
    They are letting you know what they want you to know while rebuffing Putin.


    No doubt the BBC diplomatic correspondent is also naive on this report which further reinforces my point ?

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-61239075

    It isn't news that the West has provided support to Ukraine from the off but there has been a definite increase in support in both words and action in the last days and weeks.
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  • Stevo_666
    Stevo_666 Posts: 61,295
    I think Lavrovs bluster about things potentially turning nuclear is a sign of how The Kremlin sees this conflict going. They seem to be rattled.
    "I spent most of my money on birds, booze and fast cars: the rest of it I just squandered." [George Best]
  • pblakeney
    pblakeney Posts: 27,280
    DeVlaeminck said:

    pblakeney said:

    Believing that the public know all that is happening in a war situation is naive at best.
    Do you really think Ukraine has been having it's success unaided?
    They are letting you know what they want you to know while rebuffing Putin.


    No doubt the BBC diplomatic correspondent is also naive on this report which further reinforces my point ?

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-61239075

    It isn't news that the West has provided support to Ukraine from the off but there has been a definite increase in support in both words and action in the last days and weeks.
    I don't see how that contradicts my point.
    That's just Truss sending a message to Putin without actually giving anything away.
    The above may be fact, or fiction, I may be serious, I may be jesting.
    I am not sure. You have no chance.
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  • briantrumpet
    briantrumpet Posts: 20,256
    Stevo_666 said:

    I think Lavrovs bluster about things potentially turning nuclear is a sign of how The Kremlin sees this conflict going. They seem to be rattled.


    This. They're just throwing any old shït out there now, aware that they've utterly lost the initiative, and have little else to fall back on other than bluster. One just hopes that they aren't mad enough to follow through from the vague threats of armageddon.
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  • Stevo_666
    Stevo_666 Posts: 61,295
    briantrumpet said:

    Stevo_666 said:

    I think Lavrovs bluster about things potentially turning nuclear is a sign of how The Kremlin sees this conflict going. They seem to be rattled.


    This. They're just throwing any old shït out there now, aware that they've utterly lost the initiative, and have little else to fall back on other than bluster. One just hopes that they aren't mad enough to follow through from the vague threats of armageddon.
    Well quite. Although Putin tried that early on when he put his nuclear deterrent on 'special alert' - or something like that.
    "I spent most of my money on birds, booze and fast cars: the rest of it I just squandered." [George Best]
  • First.Aspect
    First.Aspect Posts: 17,113
    I think a lot of the nuclear talk is for the domestic audience, to bolster the "Russia is strong" narrative.

    Wouldn't rule out Russia dropping a small one somewhere in the Ukrainian wheat fields to make a point, though.
  • kingstonian
    kingstonian Posts: 2,847
    First.Aspect said:

    I think a lot of the nuclear talk is for the domestic audience, to bolster the "Russia is strong" narrative.

    Wouldn't rule out Russia dropping a small one somewhere in the Ukrainian wheat fields to make a point, though.

    Yep, that’s a distinct possibility.
  • rick_chasey
    rick_chasey Posts: 75,661
    First.Aspect said:

    I think a lot of the nuclear talk is for the domestic audience, to bolster the "Russia is strong" narrative.

    Wouldn't rule out Russia dropping a small one somewhere in the Ukrainian wheat fields to make a point, though.

    Would become the biggest pariah state in the world if that happened. For a long long time.
    _
  • focuszing723
    focuszing723 Posts: 8,124
    There have been 2,121 tests done since the first in July 1945, involving 2,476 nuclear devices. As of 1993, worldwide, 520 atmospheric nuclear explosions (including 8 underwater) have been conducted with a total yield of 545 megaton (Mt): 217 Mt from pure fission and 328 Mt from bombs using fusion, while the estimated number of underground nuclear tests conducted in the period from 1957 to 1992 is 1,352 explosions with a total yield of 90 Mt.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_nuclear_weapons_tests

    I still can't go other this. Any regard for the living things in the vicinity?
  • focuszing723
    focuszing723 Posts: 8,124
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ptub8p9bMrQ
    The largest hydrogen bomb test. Where is the consideration for others that share the Earth?
  • focuszing723
    focuszing723 Posts: 8,124
    Humanity can be so idiotic.
  • imposter2.0
    imposter2.0 Posts: 12,028
    thegreatdivide said:

    The Flakpanzer Gepard that the Germans have given Ukraine is a serious bit of kit. It can shred aircraft. They're sometimes used in conjunction with Stinger teams on foot who take advantage on the Gepard's radar. They even started fitting Stingers to the turrets as well. It's got a range of about three and a half miles, so f*ck being a Russian pilot in the vicinity of one of them.

    Oh and it can also be used against tanks.

    Unfortunately not much use without the supplied 35mm ammunition for the Oerlikon guns, which the Swiss have just refused Germany permission to re-export.

  • thegreatdivide
    thegreatdivide Posts: 5,807
    edited April 2022
    focuszing723 said:

    There have been 2,121 tests done since the first in July 1945, involving 2,476 nuclear devices. As of 1993, worldwide, 520 atmospheric nuclear explosions (including 8 underwater) have been conducted with a total yield of 545 megaton (Mt): 217 Mt from pure fission and 328 Mt from bombs using fusion, while the estimated number of underground nuclear tests conducted in the period from 1957 to 1992 is 1,352 explosions with a total yield of 90 Mt.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_nuclear_weapons_tests

    I still can't go other this. Any regard for the living things in the vicinity?
    Zoom in on this...

    https://www.google.co.uk/maps/@37.1254572,-116.0456587,16082m/data=!3m1!1e3

    Check out the crater right at the top as well.

    It's a lot of nuclear bomb history.
  • First.Aspect
    First.Aspect Posts: 17,113
    focuszing723 said:

    There have been 2,121 tests done since the first in July 1945, involving 2,476 nuclear devices. As of 1993, worldwide, 520 atmospheric nuclear explosions (including 8 underwater) have been conducted with a total yield of 545 megaton (Mt): 217 Mt from pure fission and 328 Mt from bombs using fusion, while the estimated number of underground nuclear tests conducted in the period from 1957 to 1992 is 1,352 explosions with a total yield of 90 Mt.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_nuclear_weapons_tests

    I still can't go other this. Any regard for the living things in the vicinity?
    I think it is important to distinguish nuclear tests from deploying a nuclear weapon, no matter how distasteful you find the r&d process of developing such weapons.

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