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I would suggest that as no one has been prosecuted for the deal thst yes, it was approved.Stevo_666 said:
Any evidence for that?MattFalle said:
all of them are bang to rights and non of it should of happened.Stevo_666 said:
So the nasty tories are bang to rights but the French and Germans get a free pass for allowing 100x more?MattFalle said:
rogue trade?Stevo_666 said:
You didn't mention the amounts amounts for reason. Let me help here.monkimark said:2.4 million euros worth to russia according to the link you posted...
As well as Germany and France, Italy was responsible for sending arms worth €22.5 million (£19 million) to Moscow after the EU embargo was imposed, while Britain made sales of €2.4 million (£2 million).Stevo_666 said:
Sorry, maybe you can point me to where the UK has been selling arms to Russia in contravention of sanctions?pangolin said:
We've done this already... we're in no position to judge who other countries sell arms to.Stevo_666 said:France and Germany, hang your heads in shame...
https://telegraph.co.uk/world-news/2022/04/22/exclusive-france-germany-evaded-arms-embargo-sell-weapons-russia/
France €152m
Germany €121.8m
UK €2.4m
So nearly a couple of orders of magnitude lower
The likely situation here is that the UK was a one off rogue trade, whereas France and Germany look to be deliberately thwarting the sanctions in place at the time.
My point stands.
€2.4 million worth of arms? nah.
you don't punt €2.40 of arms without foreign office, MoD, full Govt approval.
Govt knew what what was going on, Govt approved it.
Also if you read the link it says no export licenses were granted, so no they weren't approved.
the entire arms trade is dirty and sordid with everyone paying each other and bribing each other.
so no export licences granted? i'm presuming they stuffed the stuff in their pockets and walked it through customs a la Great Escape.... Tom, censored Harry and BAE
"is that am 80mm mortar shell in your pocket or are you pleased to see me?"
Govt knew about it, Govt approved it..The camera down the willy isn't anything like as bad as it sounds.
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Sunday Times has a big article saying that UK refused to sell arms to Ukraine since 2014 until weeks before the latest invasion. That is three different PMs and several Foreign Secs. But since 2016 Boris was heavily involved in that decision making process so even by his standards it is a bare faced cheek to position yourself as Ukraine’s champion. I am reminded of the suggestion (Hesletine ?) that Boris looks for a movement and gets in front of it.1
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its a shame he doesn't look for a train/truck/tank going at a decent speed and get in front of that tbh.surrey_commuter said:Sunday Times has a big article saying that UK refused to sell arms to Ukraine since 2014 until weeks before the latest invasion. That is three different PMs and several Foreign Secs. But since 2016 Boris was heavily involved in that decision making process so even by his standards it is a bare faced cheek to position yourself as Ukraine’s champion. I am reminded of the suggestion (Hesletine ?) that Boris looks for a movement and gets in front of it.
not fast enough to kill him instantly but fast enough for massive polytrauma that will lead to a really painful shuffling off the mortal coil..The camera down the willy isn't anything like as bad as it sounds.
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but yeah, of course he does. he's not had original thought ever.surrey_commuter said:Sunday Times has a big article saying that UK refused to sell arms to Ukraine since 2014 until weeks before the latest invasion. That is three different PMs and several Foreign Secs. But since 2016 Boris was heavily involved in that decision making process so even by his standards it is a bare faced cheek to position yourself as Ukraine’s champion. I am reminded of the suggestion (Hesletine ?) that Boris looks for a movement and gets in front of it.
he's a wagon riding amoral populist jumping from movement yo movement in order to fluff his own ego..The camera down the willy isn't anything like as bad as it sounds.
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We’ve been saying that since he introduced lockdown after everyone had decided to stay home.MattFalle said:
but yeah, of course he does. he's not had original thought ever.surrey_commuter said:Sunday Times has a big article saying that UK refused to sell arms to Ukraine since 2014 until weeks before the latest invasion. That is three different PMs and several Foreign Secs. But since 2016 Boris was heavily involved in that decision making process so even by his standards it is a bare faced cheek to position yourself as Ukraine’s champion. I am reminded of the suggestion (Hesletine ?) that Boris looks for a movement and gets in front of it.
he's a wagon riding amoral populist jumping from movement yo movement in order to fluff his own ego.
Longer for those in London.The above may be fact, or fiction, I may be serious, I may be jesting.
I am not sure. You have no chance.Veronese68 wrote:PB is the most sensible person on here.0 -
pblakeney said:
We’ve been saying that since he introduced lockdown after everyone had decided to stay home.MattFalle said:
but yeah, of course he does. he's not had original thought ever.surrey_commuter said:Sunday Times has a big article saying that UK refused to sell arms to Ukraine since 2014 until weeks before the latest invasion. That is three different PMs and several Foreign Secs. But since 2016 Boris was heavily involved in that decision making process so even by his standards it is a bare faced cheek to position yourself as Ukraine’s champion. I am reminded of the suggestion (Hesletine ?) that Boris looks for a movement and gets in front of it.
he's a wagon riding amoral populist jumping from movement yo movement in order to fluff his own ego.
Longer for those in London.
Don't forget you should be criticising the leaders of France or Germany, rather than picking on Johnson.1 -
They have little direct impact on me. Plus, it’s not an either or. Both can be good, both can be bad.briantrumpet said:pblakeney said:
We’ve been saying that since he introduced lockdown after everyone had decided to stay home.MattFalle said:
but yeah, of course he does. he's not had original thought ever.surrey_commuter said:Sunday Times has a big article saying that UK refused to sell arms to Ukraine since 2014 until weeks before the latest invasion. That is three different PMs and several Foreign Secs. But since 2016 Boris was heavily involved in that decision making process so even by his standards it is a bare faced cheek to position yourself as Ukraine’s champion. I am reminded of the suggestion (Hesletine ?) that Boris looks for a movement and gets in front of it.
he's a wagon riding amoral populist jumping from movement yo movement in order to fluff his own ego.
Longer for those in London.
Don't forget you should be criticising the leaders of France or Germany, rather than picking on Johnson.The above may be fact, or fiction, I may be serious, I may be jesting.
I am not sure. You have no chance.Veronese68 wrote:PB is the most sensible person on here.0 -
Spaffer can be good? 🤔 I need to think further on that... no I don't, he's a total arris embarrassment.1
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Potential is not always realised. 😉pblakeney said:
They have little direct impact on me. Plus, it’s not an either or. Both can be good, both can be bad.briantrumpet said:pblakeney said:
We’ve been saying that since he introduced lockdown after everyone had decided to stay home.MattFalle said:
but yeah, of course he does. he's not had original thought ever.surrey_commuter said:Sunday Times has a big article saying that UK refused to sell arms to Ukraine since 2014 until weeks before the latest invasion. That is three different PMs and several Foreign Secs. But since 2016 Boris was heavily involved in that decision making process so even by his standards it is a bare faced cheek to position yourself as Ukraine’s champion. I am reminded of the suggestion (Hesletine ?) that Boris looks for a movement and gets in front of it.
he's a wagon riding amoral populist jumping from movement yo movement in order to fluff his own ego.
Longer for those in London.
Don't forget you should be criticising the leaders of France or Germany, rather than picking on Johnson.The above may be fact, or fiction, I may be serious, I may be jesting.
I am not sure. You have no chance.Veronese68 wrote:PB is the most sensible person on here.0 -
I love how you guys think politicians come up with their own ideas. They are literally the definition of people that develop or ride on others ideas.0
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That's true. Johnson generally does what he is told by Lynton Crosby and his gang. Intellectually he is a gaping chasm.john80 said:I love how you guys think politicians come up with their own ideas. They are literally the definition of people that develop or ride on others ideas.
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Nonsense. Next you'll be telling us that lobbyists are only doing it for philanthropic purposes...john80 said:I love how you guys think politicians come up with their own ideas. They are literally the definition of people that develop or ride on others ideas.
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Where does it say that?MattFalle said:
I would suggest that as no one has been prosecuted for the deal thst yes, it was approved.Stevo_666 said:
Any evidence for that?MattFalle said:
all of them are bang to rights and non of it should of happened.Stevo_666 said:
So the nasty tories are bang to rights but the French and Germans get a free pass for allowing 100x more?MattFalle said:
rogue trade?Stevo_666 said:
You didn't mention the amounts amounts for reason. Let me help here.monkimark said:2.4 million euros worth to russia according to the link you posted...
As well as Germany and France, Italy was responsible for sending arms worth €22.5 million (£19 million) to Moscow after the EU embargo was imposed, while Britain made sales of €2.4 million (£2 million).Stevo_666 said:
Sorry, maybe you can point me to where the UK has been selling arms to Russia in contravention of sanctions?pangolin said:
We've done this already... we're in no position to judge who other countries sell arms to.Stevo_666 said:France and Germany, hang your heads in shame...
https://telegraph.co.uk/world-news/2022/04/22/exclusive-france-germany-evaded-arms-embargo-sell-weapons-russia/
France €152m
Germany €121.8m
UK €2.4m
So nearly a couple of orders of magnitude lower
The likely situation here is that the UK was a one off rogue trade, whereas France and Germany look to be deliberately thwarting the sanctions in place at the time.
My point stands.
€2.4 million worth of arms? nah.
you don't punt €2.40 of arms without foreign office, MoD, full Govt approval.
Govt knew what what was going on, Govt approved it.
Also if you read the link it says no export licenses were granted, so no they weren't approved.
the entire arms trade is dirty and sordid with everyone paying each other and bribing each other.
so no export licences granted? i'm presuming they stuffed the stuff in their pockets and walked it through customs a la Great Escape.... Tom, censored Harry and BAE
"is that am 80mm mortar shell in your pocket or are you pleased to see me?"
Govt knew about it, Govt approved it."I spent most of my money on birds, booze and fast cars: the rest of it I just squandered." [George Best]0 -
exactly and thankyou.Stevo_666 said:
Where does it say that?MattFalle said:
I would suggest that as no one has been prosecuted for the deal thst yes, it was approved.Stevo_666 said:
Any evidence for that?MattFalle said:
all of them are bang to rights and non of it should of happened.Stevo_666 said:
So the nasty tories are bang to rights but the French and Germans get a free pass for allowing 100x more?MattFalle said:
rogue trade?Stevo_666 said:
You didn't mention the amounts amounts for reason. Let me help here.monkimark said:2.4 million euros worth to russia according to the link you posted...
As well as Germany and France, Italy was responsible for sending arms worth €22.5 million (£19 million) to Moscow after the EU embargo was imposed, while Britain made sales of €2.4 million (£2 million).Stevo_666 said:
Sorry, maybe you can point me to where the UK has been selling arms to Russia in contravention of sanctions?pangolin said:
We've done this already... we're in no position to judge who other countries sell arms to.Stevo_666 said:France and Germany, hang your heads in shame...
https://telegraph.co.uk/world-news/2022/04/22/exclusive-france-germany-evaded-arms-embargo-sell-weapons-russia/
France €152m
Germany €121.8m
UK €2.4m
So nearly a couple of orders of magnitude lower
The likely situation here is that the UK was a one off rogue trade, whereas France and Germany look to be deliberately thwarting the sanctions in place at the time.
My point stands.
€2.4 million worth of arms? nah.
you don't punt €2.40 of arms without foreign office, MoD, full Govt approval.
Govt knew what what was going on, Govt approved it.
Also if you read the link it says no export licenses were granted, so no they weren't approved.
the entire arms trade is dirty and sordid with everyone paying each other and bribing each other.
so no export licences granted? i'm presuming they stuffed the stuff in their pockets and walked it through customs a la Great Escape.... Tom, censored Harry and BAE
"is that am 80mm mortar shell in your pocket or are you pleased to see me?"
Govt knew about it, Govt approved it..The camera down the willy isn't anything like as bad as it sounds.
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Where does it say that?MattFalle said:
I would suggest that as no one has been prosecuted for the deal thst yes, it was approved.Stevo_666 said:
Any evidence for that?MattFalle said:
all of them are bang to rights and non of it should of happened.Stevo_666 said:
So the nasty tories are bang to rights but the French and Germans get a free pass for allowing 100x more?MattFalle said:
rogue trade?Stevo_666 said:
You didn't mention the amounts amounts for reason. Let me help here.monkimark said:2.4 million euros worth to russia according to the link you posted...
As well as Germany and France, Italy was responsible for sending arms worth €22.5 million (£19 million) to Moscow after the EU embargo was imposed, while Britain made sales of €2.4 million (£2 million).Stevo_666 said:
Sorry, maybe you can point me to where the UK has been selling arms to Russia in contravention of sanctions?pangolin said:
We've done this already... we're in no position to judge who other countries sell arms to.Stevo_666 said:France and Germany, hang your heads in shame...
https://telegraph.co.uk/world-news/2022/04/22/exclusive-france-germany-evaded-arms-embargo-sell-weapons-russia/
France €152m
Germany €121.8m
UK €2.4m
So nearly a couple of orders of magnitude lower
The likely situation here is that the UK was a one off rogue trade, whereas France and Germany look to be deliberately thwarting the sanctions in place at the time.
My point stands.
€2.4 million worth of arms? nah.
you don't punt €2.40 of arms without foreign office, MoD, full Govt approval.
Govt knew what what was going on, Govt approved it.
Also if you read the link it says no export licenses were granted, so no they weren't approved.
the entire arms trade is dirty and sordid with everyone paying each other and bribing each other.
so no export licences granted? i'm presuming they stuffed the stuff in their pockets and walked it through customs a la Great Escape.... Tom, censored Harry and BAE
"is that am 80mm mortar shell in your pocket or are you pleased to see me?"
Govt knew about it, Govt approved it.
Well quite. The knee jerk reaction here of 'but the nasty tories have done something bad as well' is all too predictable and doesn't excuse what France and Germany have done.DeVlaeminck said:Agree it's all wrong but what France and Germany have done is 50, 60 or 70x more wrong. Germany in particular seems to have been rather too close to Putin's Russia whilst dragging their feet on spending the NATO required % of GDP on defence.
I'm not making excuses for stuff GB has done elsewhere in the world but we should be able to call this out without "but Yemen" and "but Saudis". If we were criticising GBs relationship with the Saudis nobody would think a reasonable response was yeah but Germany sell arms to Russia.
To make it worse, Germany is now dragging its heels about providing weapons to Ukraine."I spent most of my money on birds, booze and fast cars: the rest of it I just squandered." [George Best]0 -
no one is looking at excuses but we are condemning hypocrisy..
The camera down the willy isn't anything like as bad as it sounds.
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I see the big oil storage depot in Bryansk 'caught fire' last night. Claims of sabotage, and claims of a false flag too. The railway line that supplies a military base in the same area has also been the scene of an 'accident', with a diesel engine coming off damaged tracks.0
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They're having a lot of bad luck with accidental fires these Russians. First it was a warship, now a fuel depotthegreatdivide said:I see the big oil storage depot in Bryansk 'caught fire' last night. Claims of sabotage, and claims of a false flag too. The railway line that supplies a military base in the same area has also been the scene of an 'accident', with a diesel engine coming off damaged tracks.
"I spent most of my money on birds, booze and fast cars: the rest of it I just squandered." [George Best]0 -
I particularly like the straight-from-the-printers unworn swastika t-shirt to help the assassin blend in.rick_chasey said:1985 Mercian King of Mercia - work in progress (Hah! Who am I kidding?)
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I read a tweet last night from someone who'd taken a train from A to B and passed the Russian attempted rocketing of the Ukrainian railway. Train arrived at destination with no issues.
Meanwhile these guys went to town on Moon Face's minions...
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I really hope that once this stupid war is over the Ukrainian farmers get some kind of tractor statue put up in Kyiv.
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"I've got a nuke, which can nuke a gazillion times more than your nuke and it's a really quick nuke which is quicker than your nuke...nukey, nuke, nuke, nookynoo".
Ggooodd, it's so bloody childish.
And another thing, how the hell did the universe start and what the hell created the thing which created the universe and what created the...
Ohhh, me bloody head.
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This spins my head too.focuszing723 said:
And another thing, how the hell did the universe start and what the hell created the thing which created the universe and what created the...
Ohhh, me bloody head.
What went bang in the Big Bang, and where did it come from.The above may be fact, or fiction, I may be serious, I may be jesting.
I am not sure. You have no chance.Veronese68 wrote:PB is the most sensible person on here.0 -
pblakeney said:
This spins my head too.focuszing723 said:
And another thing, how the hell did the universe start and what the hell created the thing which created the universe and what created the...
Ohhh, me bloody head.
What went bang in the Big Bang, and where did it come from.
I just ignore all that stuff. Utterly beyond my comprehension.0 -
Yeah, exactly. The bang is all well and good, something had to create the bang though.pblakeney said:
This spins my head too.focuszing723 said:
And another thing, how the hell did the universe start and what the hell created the thing which created the universe and what created the...
Ohhh, me bloody head.
What went bang in the Big Bang, and where did it come from.
Meanwhile, I've just seen a small bat fly passed my window, they seem to like flying around the garden in a circuit for food, just getting on with it, existing.
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It's killing to have to existing though. What a strange concept of design, right you can exist but you have to take another life to do so. Elseif...0
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focuszing723 said:
It's killing to have to existing though. What a strange concept of design, right you can exist but you have to take another life to do so. Elseif...
U OK, hun?0 -
No, I forgot the TV was on and caught the start of Eastenders n' me eads turned to rat $h1t.briantrumpet said:focuszing723 said:It's killing to have to existing though. What a strange concept of design, right you can exist but you have to take another life to do so. Elseif...
U OK, hun?1
