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And that others have been helping Ukraine for over two months so his understanding of how fast lightning is may be flawed too.pangolin said:Russia's president says any country interfering in Ukraine will be met with a "lightning-fast" response
Shame he lacks the self awareness to realise that country is Russia0 -
Is there a possibility that Putin sees suicide by cop as better than defeat.
My working hypothesis is he is Ill and this is his closing chapter. Expanding Russia before popping his clogs and going down in the history books as a great leader.
If it’s all going to shit, why not nuke something? Sod the consequences. Obviously very narcissistic but I think that’s well established now.0 -
Now Now! He's sanctioned Andy Burnham you know!!Pross said:
And that others have been helping Ukraine for over two months so his understanding of how fast lightning is may be flawed too.pangolin said:Russia's president says any country interfering in Ukraine will be met with a "lightning-fast" response
Shame he lacks the self awareness to realise that country is RussiaWe're in danger of confusing passion with incompetence
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and boris fucksit up again.
he's just a turbo tool.
https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2022/apr/27/boris-johnson-tempting-evil-revealing-ukrainian-soldiers-trained-poland.The camera down the willy isn't anything like as bad as it sounds.
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MattFalle said:
and boris fucksit up again.
he's just a turbo tool.
https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2022/apr/27/boris-johnson-tempting-evil-revealing-ukrainian-soldiers-trained-poland
You misunderstand. If it worked to make Johnson seem important on the world stage to himself, then it was a success.0 -
Putin may give the order, but there are those below him that have to carry it out. Thankfully must people do not want nuclear war.morstar said:Is there a possibility that Putin sees suicide by cop as better than defeat.
My working hypothesis is he is Ill and this is his closing chapter. Expanding Russia before popping his clogs and going down in the history books as a great leader.
If it’s all going to censored , why not nuke something? Sod the consequences. Obviously very narcissistic but I think that’s well established now.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1983_Soviet_nuclear_false_alarm_incident
But a lot of this is about his place in history, a kind of immortality for him. I doubt he wants to be remembered as the leader who over saw the end of Russia
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The end of Russia was seen at the cold war. They have pretended that was not the case with a gangster economy based on natural resources that is at frankly a level below that of the middle East in terms of outcome. He is an embarrassment in his achievements over the last twenty years.PMark said:
Putin may give the order, but there are those below him that have to carry it out. Thankfully must people do not want nuclear war.morstar said:Is there a possibility that Putin sees suicide by cop as better than defeat.
My working hypothesis is he is Ill and this is his closing chapter. Expanding Russia before popping his clogs and going down in the history books as a great leader.
If it’s all going to censored , why not nuke something? Sod the consequences. Obviously very narcissistic but I think that’s well established now.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1983_Soviet_nuclear_false_alarm_incident
But a lot of this is about his place in history, a kind of immortality for him. I doubt he wants to be remembered as the leader who over saw the end of Russia0 -
tbh, i have a horrible cynical feeling that it may be yet another dead cat to divert attention from partygate, legsgate, watching pornin parliament, tax evasion - you know, all the other glitches to Tories have at the moment....briantrumpet said:MattFalle said:and boris fucksit up again.
he's just a turbo tool.
https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2022/apr/27/boris-johnson-tempting-evil-revealing-ukrainian-soldiers-trained-poland
You misunderstand. If it worked to make Johnson seem important on the world stage to himself, then it was a success.
why worry about people being killed if it diverts attention from you for a few days, after all, they're just squaddies, didn't go to Eton you know.....
.The camera down the willy isn't anything like as bad as it sounds.
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MattFalle said:
tbh, i have a horrible cynical feeling that it may be yet another dead cat to divert attention from partygate, legsgate, watching pornin parliament, tax evasion - you know, all the other glitches to Tories have at the moment....briantrumpet said:MattFalle said:and boris fucksit up again.
he's just a turbo tool.
https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2022/apr/27/boris-johnson-tempting-evil-revealing-ukrainian-soldiers-trained-poland
You misunderstand. If it worked to make Johnson seem important on the world stage to himself, then it was a success.
why worry about people being killed if it diverts attention from you for a few days, after all, they're just squaddies, didn't go to Eton you know.....
The parallels with Trump (remember him saying secret stuff to the Ruskies?) get more obvious by the day.0 -
its almost like de pffeffel and trump have agreed to "accidentally" mention whats going on behind the scenes occasionally.briantrumpet said:MattFalle said:
tbh, i have a horrible cynical feeling that it may be yet another dead cat to divert attention from partygate, legsgate, watching pornin parliament, tax evasion - you know, all the other glitches to Tories have at the moment....briantrumpet said:MattFalle said:and boris fucksit up again.
he's just a turbo tool.
https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2022/apr/27/boris-johnson-tempting-evil-revealing-ukrainian-soldiers-trained-poland
You misunderstand. If it worked to make Johnson seem important on the world stage to himself, then it was a success.
why worry about people being killed if it diverts attention from you for a few days, after all, they're just squaddies, didn't go to Eton you know.....
The parallels with Trump (remember him saying secret stuff to the Ruskies?) get more obvious by the day..The camera down the willy isn't anything like as bad as it sounds.
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I’m just fuckingangry. First of all, what the AF does Putin think gives him the right to order the killing and maiming of tens of thousands of innocent people and to terrorise even more, forcing them out of their homes and the lives they’ve led being ruined for ever.MattFalle said:
its almost like de pffeffel and trump have agreed to "accidentally" mention whats going on behind the scenes occasionally.briantrumpet said:MattFalle said:
tbh, i have a horrible cynical feeling that it may be yet another dead cat to divert attention from partygate, legsgate, watching pornin parliament, tax evasion - you know, all the other glitches to Tories have at the moment....briantrumpet said:MattFalle said:and boris fucksit up again.
he's just a turbo tool.
https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2022/apr/27/boris-johnson-tempting-evil-revealing-ukrainian-soldiers-trained-poland
You misunderstand. If it worked to make Johnson seem important on the world stage to himself, then it was a success.
why worry about people being killed if it diverts attention from you for a few days, after all, they're just squaddies, didn't go to Eton you know.....
The parallels with Trump (remember him saying secret stuff to the Ruskies?) get more obvious by the day.
Second of all, where does our OWN FUCKINGGOVERNMENT get off with making statements that they clearly think make them sound tough and hard and allthatshitbut which, in reality, cause the whole situation to become ever more dangerous and unstable and puts the rest of us in more danger? Not in my name, that’s for sure. I mean. “Yeah, we’re training them innit”, “we want to see Russia weakened”, “yeah not a problem if our stuff in involved in bombing Russia”. Of course its ‘common knowledge’ but it doesn’t need stating in public by the joke of a prime minister/foreign secretary that we have giving the mental despot in Russia no option but to ramp up the threats. I’m sure the idiots have the post-Falklands increase in popularity in mind when they spout this cr@p.
Is it that hard to just supply and support without being @rseholes about it????0 -
I suppose it's about balance - he shouldn't be putting troops or civilians at risk but at the same time if we are doing x, y and z to support Ukraine we are a democracy and that means the public should be kept informed of the sort of involvement the UK has. Of course that isn't a reason for Boris to tell us what Poland are doing. I suspect it's his reluctance to engage in the detail and habit of talking off the cuff that leads to him committing these gaffes rather than a deliberate strategy to big himself up irrespective of the consequences for others but who knows.
As far as the conflict goes it's difficult to be sure where this is all heading - the rhetoric has been ratcheted up a notch on both sides. Early on I thought some kind of compromise might be achievable but not now.[Castle Donington Ladies FC - going up in '22]0 -
I think this is the root of why we disagreed earlier. I expect our forces to be doing a whole load ofshit that we never hear about. We have different expectations.DeVlaeminck said:I suppose it's about balance - he shouldn't be putting troops or civilians at risk but at the same time if we are doing x, y and z to support Ukraine we are a democracy and that means the public should be kept informed of the sort of involvement the UK has...
The above may be fact, or fiction, I may be serious, I may be jesting.
I am not sure. You have no chance.Veronese68 wrote:PB is the most sensible person on here.0 -
This is kinda the point though. Putin wants everyone to think he's the genius master tactician when, in reality, his only tactic is a willingness to kill more civilians and conscripts than you.
Arguably that is in the great tradition of Russian warfare...We're in danger of confusing passion with incompetence
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exactly as PB says - no wsy at ll should tbere be general release of everything everyone is up to.pblakeney said:
I think this is the root of why we disagreed earlier. I expect our forces to be doing a whole load ofshit that we never hear about. We have different expectations.DeVlaeminck said:I suppose it's about balance - he shouldn't be putting troops or civilians at risk but at the same time if we are doing x, y and z to support Ukraine we are a democracy and that means the public should be kept informed of the sort of involvement the UK has...
firstly its too darn dangerous for the bods involved, secondly it would just fry people's brains what sctually happens..The camera down the willy isn't anything like as bad as it sounds.
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Yes as I said it's about balance - we shouldn't be putting people at risk but neither should we be entering a conflict without Parliament being aware - and I don't mean via MPs picking up Twitter rumours.MattFalle said:
exactly as PB says - no wsy at ll should tbere be general release of everything everyone is up to.pblakeney said:
I think this is the root of why we disagreed earlier. I expect our forces to be doing a whole load ofshit that we never hear about. We have different expectations.DeVlaeminck said:I suppose it's about balance - he shouldn't be putting troops or civilians at risk but at the same time if we are doing x, y and z to support Ukraine we are a democracy and that means the public should be kept informed of the sort of involvement the UK has...
firstly its too darn dangerous for the bods involved, secondly it would just fry people's brains what sctually happens.
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Parliament is always aware, they're just not made aware of individual ops because they don't need to be..
The camera down the willy isn't anything like as bad as it sounds.
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New toys for the UF. Scoot and shoot anti-tank teams.
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Nobody suggested they should be. The point was just in a democracy there needs to be some public awareness of what our govt is doing and some parliamentary scrutiny - not a day by day detailed update on troop movements or anything that would put people at risk but not being treated like the Russian public either.MattFalle said:Parliament is always aware, they're just not made aware of individual ops because they don't need to be.
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There is and you can a lot of it very easily, the remainder is just a bit of enquiry away.
none of it - apart from the really secret squirrel stuff that only forms a tiny part of it - is secret/classified.
what sort of thing would you want to know,,?
no one is treating the british people like they are russians at all.
its under constant parlimentary and legal scrutiny..The camera down the willy isn't anything like as bad as it sounds.
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Parliamentary and legal scrutiny does not mean it has to be in the public domain.
That's why we elect leaders*.
*Used in the lightest of terms for the current lot.The above may be fact, or fiction, I may be serious, I may be jesting.
I am not sure. You have no chance.Veronese68 wrote:PB is the most sensible person on here.1 -
agree, but the vast majority of this stuff is.pblakeney said:Parliamentary and legal scrutiny does not mean it has to be in the public domain.
That's why we elect leaders*.
*Used in the lightest of terms for the current lot..The camera down the willy isn't anything like as bad as it sounds.
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I knew I’d seen Putin somewhere before!
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MattFalle said:
There is and you can a lot of it very easily, the remainder is just a bit of enquiry away.
none of it - apart from the really secret squirrel stuff that only forms a tiny part of it - is secret/classified.
what sort of thing would you want to know,,?
no one is treating the british people like they are russians at all.
its under constant parlimentary and legal scrutiny.
Err...you need to have a look at my actual post Matt it was just a quite general point - you seem to have inferred quite a bit I didn't say.[Castle Donington Ladies FC - going up in '22]0 -
Yes but in a democracy a degree of public awareness is part of the deal - there is more to being democratic than just electing leaders to make decisions.pblakeney said:Parliamentary and legal scrutiny does not mean it has to be in the public domain.
That's why we elect leaders*.
*Used in the lightest of terms for the current lot.
Again though I'm not saying that the UK is not keeping the public sufficiently informed.[Castle Donington Ladies FC - going up in '22]0 -
But that doesn’t justify the actions of members of the UK government. Truss and Johnson are appealing to the section of the Tory collective who are all for sabre rattling and appearing “tough” for their own - selfish - purposes and that is directly putting people in danger.DeVlaeminck said:
Yes but in a democracy a degree of public awareness is part of the deal - there is more to being democratic than just electing leaders to make decisions.pblakeney said:Parliamentary and legal scrutiny does not mean it has to be in the public domain.
That's why we elect leaders*.
*Used in the lightest of terms for the current lot.
Again though I'm not saying that the UK is not keeping the public sufficiently informed.
This is a good take - https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2022/apr/28/liz-truss-ukraine-war-russia-conservative-power
The war isn’t going to be won by Ukraine beating Russia, no matter how many arms are supplied. The only way it ends (without the rest of the world being destroyed) is through negotiation. Russia aren’t going to give up what they’ve “won”.0 -
Quick update on the sponsoring of refugees. Mrs. 666 got the details (via the charity we signed up with) of a Ukrainian lady with 2 young-ish kids who used to live in Enerhodar in the South but is now staying in a village near the Polish border. We will be trying to make contact by email etc initially to see if this is a sensible match."I spent most of my money on birds, booze and fast cars: the rest of it I just squandered." [George Best]7
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It is still somewhat realistic that Ukraine might get much of the coast and the donbas back. And any negotiation will be coloured by whatever the current direction of travel is. So if the new Russian assault fizzles out and they increasingly resort to long range potshots, and start getting pressed back and the sanctions start to bite, then "success" could potentially be redefined domestically as Crimea and some territory containing someone who speaks Russian, close to the border.johngti said:
But that doesn’t justify the actions of members of the UK government. Truss and Johnson are appealing to the section of the Tory collective who are all for sabre rattling and appearing “tough” for their own - selfish - purposes and that is directly putting people in danger.DeVlaeminck said:
Yes but in a democracy a degree of public awareness is part of the deal - there is more to being democratic than just electing leaders to make decisions.pblakeney said:Parliamentary and legal scrutiny does not mean it has to be in the public domain.
That's why we elect leaders*.
*Used in the lightest of terms for the current lot.
Again though I'm not saying that the UK is not keeping the public sufficiently informed.
This is a good take - https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2022/apr/28/liz-truss-ukraine-war-russia-conservative-power
The war isn’t going to be won by Ukraine beating Russia, no matter how many arms are supplied. The only way it ends (without the rest of the world being destroyed) is through negotiation. Russia aren’t going to give up what they’ve “won”.0 -
Hats off. Good luck to you.Stevo_666 said:Quick update on the sponsoring of refugees. Mrs. 666 got the details (via the charity we signed up with) of a Ukrainian lady with 2 young-ish kids who used to live in Enerhodar in the South but is now staying in a village near the Polish border. We will be trying to make contact by email etc initially to see if this is a sensible match.
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Best of luck, Stevo.Stevo_666 said:Quick update on the sponsoring of refugees. Mrs. 666 got the details (via the charity we signed up with) of a Ukrainian lady with 2 young-ish kids who used to live in Enerhodar in the South but is now staying in a village near the Polish border. We will be trying to make contact by email etc initially to see if this is a sensible match.
I've just found out that the 2-bed flat I moved out of in February remains empty and is therefore going to be made available to a Ukranian family with 2 children. I don't know any of the details but I do know that it is being sorted through a charity.1
