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Does anyone in charge in Russia give a sh!t about that now?rick_chasey said:
Would become the biggest pariah state in the world if that happened. For a long long time.First.Aspect said:I think a lot of the nuclear talk is for the domestic audience, to bolster the "Russia is strong" narrative.
Wouldn't rule out Russia dropping a small one somewhere in the Ukrainian wheat fields to make a point, though.0 -
I highly suspect that that has now changed after yesterday's announcement by Lambrecht at the meeting in Ramstein. The Swiss saying no to ammo was earlier in the month. They're not about to stick them on transports without giving them shells.imposter2.0 said:
Unfortunately not much use without the supplied 35mm ammunition for the Oerlikon guns, which the Swiss have just refused Germany permission to re-export.thegreatdivide said:The Flakpanzer Gepard that the Germans have given Ukraine is a serious bit of kit. It can shred aircraft. They're sometimes used in conjunction with Stinger teams on foot who take advantage on the Gepard's radar. They even started fitting Stingers to the turrets as well. It's got a range of about three and a half miles, so f*ck being a Russian pilot in the vicinity of one of them.
Oh and it can also be used against tanks.0 -
Sure. In the modern world being a proper pariah utterly ruins a country.First.Aspect said:
Does anyone in charge in Russia give a sh!t about that now?rick_chasey said:
Would become the biggest pariah state in the world if that happened. For a long long time.First.Aspect said:I think a lot of the nuclear talk is for the domestic audience, to bolster the "Russia is strong" narrative.
Wouldn't rule out Russia dropping a small one somewhere in the Ukrainian wheat fields to make a point, though.0 -
i'm sure its on its way from the US/UK/Polandimposter2.0 said:
Unfortunately not much use without the supplied 35mm ammunition for the Oerlikon guns, which the Swiss have just refused Germany permission to re-export.thegreatdivide said:The Flakpanzer Gepard that the Germans have given Ukraine is a serious bit of kit. It can shred aircraft. They're sometimes used in conjunction with Stinger teams on foot who take advantage on the Gepard's radar. They even started fitting Stingers to the turrets as well. It's got a range of about three and a half miles, so f*ck being a Russian pilot in the vicinity of one of them.
Oh and it can also be used against tanks.
Its a pretty common sized round..The camera down the willy isn't anything like as bad as it sounds.
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We have or had plenty 30mm Oerlikons on RN ships.MattFalle said:
i'm sure its on its way from the US/UK/Polandimposter2.0 said:
Unfortunately not much use without the supplied 35mm ammunition for the Oerlikon guns, which the Swiss have just refused Germany permission to re-export.thegreatdivide said:The Flakpanzer Gepard that the Germans have given Ukraine is a serious bit of kit. It can shred aircraft. They're sometimes used in conjunction with Stinger teams on foot who take advantage on the Gepard's radar. They even started fitting Stingers to the turrets as well. It's got a range of about three and a half miles, so f*ck being a Russian pilot in the vicinity of one of them.
Oh and it can also be used against tanks.
Its a pretty common sized round.1 -
Ah the Swiss. Passive Nazis without the imperial ambition.thegreatdivide said:
I highly suspect that that has now changed after yesterday's announcement by Lambrecht at the meeting in Ramstein. The Swiss saying no to ammo was earlier in the month. They're not about to stick them on transports without giving them shells.imposter2.0 said:
Unfortunately not much use without the supplied 35mm ammunition for the Oerlikon guns, which the Swiss have just refused Germany permission to re-export.thegreatdivide said:The Flakpanzer Gepard that the Germans have given Ukraine is a serious bit of kit. It can shred aircraft. They're sometimes used in conjunction with Stinger teams on foot who take advantage on the Gepard's radar. They even started fitting Stingers to the turrets as well. It's got a range of about three and a half miles, so f*ck being a Russian pilot in the vicinity of one of them.
Oh and it can also be used against tanks.0 -
so no shortage of rounds to Ukraine.thegreatdivide said:
We have or had plenty 30mm Oerlikons on RN ships.MattFalle said:
i'm sure its on its way from the US/UK/Polandimposter2.0 said:
Unfortunately not much use without the supplied 35mm ammunition for the Oerlikon guns, which the Swiss have just refused Germany permission to re-export.thegreatdivide said:The Flakpanzer Gepard that the Germans have given Ukraine is a serious bit of kit. It can shred aircraft. They're sometimes used in conjunction with Stinger teams on foot who take advantage on the Gepard's radar. They even started fitting Stingers to the turrets as well. It's got a range of about three and a half miles, so f*ck being a Russian pilot in the vicinity of one of them.
Oh and it can also be used against tanks.
Its a pretty common sized round..The camera down the willy isn't anything like as bad as it sounds.
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30mm ammo for RN systems won’t be any use on a gun that fires 35mm. There are also several types of 35mm Oerlikon ammo, not all of which would be suitable for AA use.thegreatdivide said:
We have or had plenty 30mm Oerlikons on RN ships.MattFalle said:
i'm sure its on its way from the US/UK/Polandimposter2.0 said:
Unfortunately not much use without the supplied 35mm ammunition for the Oerlikon guns, which the Swiss have just refused Germany permission to re-export.thegreatdivide said:The Flakpanzer Gepard that the Germans have given Ukraine is a serious bit of kit. It can shred aircraft. They're sometimes used in conjunction with Stinger teams on foot who take advantage on the Gepard's radar. They even started fitting Stingers to the turrets as well. It's got a range of about three and a half miles, so f*ck being a Russian pilot in the vicinity of one of them.
Oh and it can also be used against tanks.
Its a pretty common sized round.
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its a 35mm round for a standard NATO weapon system.imposter2.0 said:
30mm ammo for RN systems won’t be any use on a gun that fires 35mm. There are also several types of 35mm Oerlikon ammo, not all of which would be suitable for AA use.thegreatdivide said:
We have or had plenty 30mm Oerlikons on RN ships.MattFalle said:
i'm sure its on its way from the US/UK/Polandimposter2.0 said:
Unfortunately not much use without the supplied 35mm ammunition for the Oerlikon guns, which the Swiss have just refused Germany permission to re-export.thegreatdivide said:The Flakpanzer Gepard that the Germans have given Ukraine is a serious bit of kit. It can shred aircraft. They're sometimes used in conjunction with Stinger teams on foot who take advantage on the Gepard's radar. They even started fitting Stingers to the turrets as well. It's got a range of about three and a half miles, so f*ck being a Russian pilot in the vicinity of one of them.
Oh and it can also be used against tanks.
Its a pretty common sized round.
it won't be a problem..The camera down the willy isn't anything like as bad as it sounds.
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used by 40 counties. I'm sure someone will chuck some rounds across.
or they may just buy them from a factory.
.The camera down the willy isn't anything like as bad as it sounds.
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.The camera down the willy isn't anything like as bad as it sounds.
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My bad. But as MF has posted - there's a shed load of countries that use the 35mm. The Swiss are not required. They can sit at home and weigh illegally procured gold while other folk get on with helping Ukraine.imposter2.0 said:
30mm ammo for RN systems won’t be any use on a gun that fires 35mm. There are also several types of 35mm Oerlikon ammo, not all of which would be suitable for AA use.thegreatdivide said:
We have or had plenty 30mm Oerlikons on RN ships.MattFalle said:
i'm sure its on its way from the US/UK/Polandimposter2.0 said:
Unfortunately not much use without the supplied 35mm ammunition for the Oerlikon guns, which the Swiss have just refused Germany permission to re-export.thegreatdivide said:The Flakpanzer Gepard that the Germans have given Ukraine is a serious bit of kit. It can shred aircraft. They're sometimes used in conjunction with Stinger teams on foot who take advantage on the Gepard's radar. They even started fitting Stingers to the turrets as well. It's got a range of about three and a half miles, so f*ck being a Russian pilot in the vicinity of one of them.
Oh and it can also be used against tanks.
Its a pretty common sized round.0 -
Anyhiw, Russin air support is tat.imposter2.0 said:
30mm ammo for RN systems won’t be any use on a gun that fires 35mm. There are also several types of 35mm Oerlikon ammo, not all of which would be suitable for AA use.thegreatdivide said:
We have or had plenty 30mm Oerlikons on RN ships.MattFalle said:
i'm sure its on its way from the US/UK/Polandimposter2.0 said:
Unfortunately not much use without the supplied 35mm ammunition for the Oerlikon guns, which the Swiss have just refused Germany permission to re-export.thegreatdivide said:The Flakpanzer Gepard that the Germans have given Ukraine is a serious bit of kit. It can shred aircraft. They're sometimes used in conjunction with Stinger teams on foot who take advantage on the Gepard's radar. They even started fitting Stingers to the turrets as well. It's got a range of about three and a half miles, so f*ck being a Russian pilot in the vicinity of one of them.
Oh and it can also be used against tanks.
Its a pretty common sized round.
most probs they'd use this against light armoured stuff, truck or troops in buildings.
Using a gimpy or 50 to cut doors into buildings is pretty common, this thing will just take down wslls in one hit..The camera down the willy isn't anything like as bad as it sounds.
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If you put soil and the relevant seed into a 35mm gun then watered it, could you grow poppies out of it?0
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i'd rather melt them down and make them into benches so people could sit off and eat, chat and laugh tbh.focuszing723 said:If you put soil and the relevant seed into a 35mm gun then watered it, could you grow poppies out of it?
.The camera down the willy isn't anything like as bad as it sounds.
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I think they are pretty much there already.rick_chasey said:
Sure. In the modern world being a proper pariah utterly ruins a country.First.Aspect said:
Does anyone in charge in Russia give a sh!t about that now?rick_chasey said:
Would become the biggest pariah state in the world if that happened. For a long long time.First.Aspect said:I think a lot of the nuclear talk is for the domestic audience, to bolster the "Russia is strong" narrative.
Wouldn't rule out Russia dropping a small one somewhere in the Ukrainian wheat fields to make a point, though.
Saying that, could Xi and Modi grow a moral compass if it goes nuclear?0 -
Stupid Humans.
If we’re a dud cosmic experiment, is there hope?
Perhaps one day a freely evolved machine will think about us stupid humans who nonetheless managed to set in motion the processes that led to its existence. Then, maybe, it will do the thing we never could: make us into something better.
https://blogs.scientificamerican.com/life-unbounded/stupid-humans/
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Pretty sure there are a few films about this - notably the Matrix and I Robot0
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MattFalle said:
I suspect it’s required specifically for AA, as the Ukrainians already have heavy weapons mounted on their IFVs which do that job. If all they wanted to do was knock holes in walls, they wouldn’t need a specialist radar guided AA system..MattFalle said:
Anyhiw, Russin air support is tat.imposter2.0 said:
30mm ammo for RN systems won’t be any use on a gun that fires 35mm. There are also several types of 35mm Oerlikon ammo, not all of which would be suitable for AA use.thegreatdivide said:
We have or had plenty 30mm Oerlikons on RN ships.MattFalle said:
i'm sure its on its way from the US/UK/Polandimposter2.0 said:
Unfortunately not much use without the supplied 35mm ammunition for the Oerlikon guns, which the Swiss have just refused Germany permission to re-export.thegreatdivide said:The Flakpanzer Gepard that the Germans have given Ukraine is a serious bit of kit. It can shred aircraft. They're sometimes used in conjunction with Stinger teams on foot who take advantage on the Gepard's radar. They even started fitting Stingers to the turrets as well. It's got a range of about three and a half miles, so f*ck being a Russian pilot in the vicinity of one of them.
Oh and it can also be used against tanks.
Its a pretty common sized round.
most probs they'd use this against light armoured stuff, truck or troops in buildings.
Using a gimpy or 50 to cut doors into buildings is pretty common, this thing will just take down wslls in one hit.
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i think they may use it for whatever needs doing at the time.
if there are no Russian air assets kicking around they'll use it for anything they want..The camera down the willy isn't anything like as bad as it sounds.
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Well yes, but the point I was making is that if all they wanted to do was engage three Russians hiding in a farmyard toilet block, then they already have stuff that can do that..MattFalle said:i think they may use it for whatever needs doing at the time.
if there are no Russian air assets kicking around they'll use it for anything they want.
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if there a 3 russians in toilet block and they have got that there then why not?imposter2.0 said:
Well yes, but the point I was making is that if all they wanted to do was engage three Russians hiding in a farmyard toilet block, then they already have stuff that can do that..MattFalle said:i think they may use it for whatever needs doing at the time.
if there are no Russian air assets kicking around they'll use it for anything they want.
a lot bigger has been used for a lot smaller lots of times.The camera down the willy isn't anything like as bad as it sounds.
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Especially if its filmed and we can watch it on YouTube.MattFalle said:
if there a 3 russians in toilet block and they have got that there then why not?imposter2.0 said:
Well yes, but the point I was making is that if all they wanted to do was engage three Russians hiding in a farmyard toilet block, then they already have stuff that can do that..MattFalle said:i think they may use it for whatever needs doing at the time.
if there are no Russian air assets kicking around they'll use it for anything they want.
a lot bigger has been used for a lot smaller lots of times"I spent most of my money on birds, booze and fast cars: the rest of it I just squandered." [George Best]1 -
Tanks tsking out snipers is well common.
no point in risking blokes if you can use 75 tonnes of armour instead..The camera down the willy isn't anything like as bad as it sounds.
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Russia can't even use 75 tonnes of armour properly.MattFalle said:Tanks tsking out snipers is well common.
no point in risking blokes if you can use 75 tonnes of armour instead.0 -
tbf, i'd be surprised if they can use a spoon properly..
The camera down the willy isn't anything like as bad as it sounds.
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75 tonnes would be one hell of a big tank, considering yer average T72 weighs in at around 45...0
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not really, no.
Chally 2 is 75 tons all in. Japanese thing and Israeli thing are also up there.
Abrams is only 63 admittedly, but thats the last version..The camera down the willy isn't anything like as bad as it sounds.
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Russia's president says any country interfering in Ukraine will be met with a "lightning-fast" response
Shame he lacks the self awareness to realise that country is Russia- Genesis Croix de Fer
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He's full of sch1t.pangolin said:Russia's president says any country interfering in Ukraine will be met with a "lightning-fast" response
Shame he lacks the self awareness to realise that country is Russia0
