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  • john80
    john80 Posts: 2,965
    Is it time to warn Russia of the unpredictable consequences of invading a country such as Ukraine. Does Russia really think NATO will back down when threatened by unpredictable consequences. It reeks of desperation. Currently it looks to me that Russia is incredibly vulnerable in the sliver of land they have won both now and in the future with modern munitions.
  • rick_chasey
    rick_chasey Posts: 75,661
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  • thegreatdivide
    thegreatdivide Posts: 5,807
    First official admission that UK Special Ops are in Ukraine as ‘advisors’.
  • MattFalle
    MattFalle Posts: 11,644
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    thegreatdivide said:

    First official admission that UK Special Ops are in Ukraine as ‘advisors’.

    they've been there for months dude. Semi open knowledge across everywhere - not massively publicised but not hidden away by any long chalk..
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    The camera down the willy isn't anything like as bad as it sounds.
  • Pross
    Pross Posts: 43,461
    I'm assuming Johnson will have to start looking for new funders before the next election now Putin has put him on the naughty step.
  • blazing_saddles
    blazing_saddles Posts: 22,722
    MattFalle said:

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    thegreatdivide said:

    First official admission that UK Special Ops are in Ukraine as ‘advisors’.

    they've been there for months dude. Semi open knowledge across everywhere - not massively publicised but not hidden away by any long chalk..
    I am pretty sure he knew that, hence posting about an official admission.
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  • thegreatdivide
    thegreatdivide Posts: 5,807
    edited April 2022
    MattFalle said:

    they've been there for months dude. Semi open knowledge across everywhere - not massively publicised but not hidden away by any long chalk..

    I’m well aware they’ve been in there for ages. I’m just saying it’s the first official acknowledgment.

  • MattFalle
    MattFalle Posts: 11,644
    thegreatdivide said:

    MattFalle said:

    they've been there for months dude. Semi open knowledge across everywhere - not massively publicised but not hidden away by any long chalk..

    I’m well aware they’ve been in there for ages. I’m just saying it’s the first official acknowledgment.

    it was acknowledged officially a good while ago.
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    The camera down the willy isn't anything like as bad as it sounds.
  • orraloon
    orraloon Posts: 13,227
    Is there a casualty among the Ops to be announced in due course?
  • TheBigBean
    TheBigBean Posts: 21,858
    MattFalle said:

    thegreatdivide said:

    MattFalle said:

    they've been there for months dude. Semi open knowledge across everywhere - not massively publicised but not hidden away by any long chalk..

    I’m well aware they’ve been in there for ages. I’m just saying it’s the first official acknowledgment.

    it was acknowledged officially a good while ago.
    If it was acknowledged officially before why was it only "semi open knowledge"?
  • MattFalle
    MattFalle Posts: 11,644
    TheBigBean said:

    MattFalle said:

    thegreatdivide said:

    MattFalle said:

    they've been there for months dude. Semi open knowledge across everywhere - not massively publicised but not hidden away by any long chalk..

    I’m well aware they’ve been in there for ages. I’m just saying it’s the first official acknowledgment.

    it was acknowledged officially a good while ago.
    If it was acknowledged officially before why was it only "semi open knowledge"?
    because it wasn't headline news but still open source.

    slipped out gently, so to speak.
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    The camera down the willy isn't anything like as bad as it sounds.
  • shirley_basso
    shirley_basso Posts: 6,195
  • briantrumpet
    briantrumpet Posts: 20,256
    shirley_basso said:


    I wonder if the home he's in has a balcony.
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  • thegreatdivide
    thegreatdivide Posts: 5,807
    briantrumpet said:

    shirley_basso said:


    I wonder if the home he's in has a balcony.
    Or it’s near a cathedral.

  • ddraver
    ddraver Posts: 26,691
    It's all Contador's fault for not putting in enough effort...
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  • thegreatdivide
    thegreatdivide Posts: 5,807
    Christo Grozev, the Exec Director of Bellingcat told the Commons Foreign Affairs Committee yesterday that they estimate there are 8000 of those Wagner cnuts in Ukraine and that approx. 3000 have been killed already. Seemingly a lot of them went in with the Kyiv force, and there are sadly plenty of signs they left their mark in places like Bucha.

    Grozev also suggested that the West's sanctions on Wagner's leader are a bit futile. What they should be doing is going after the members:

    "Mr Grozev said that while imposing more sanctions on the group’s head, Yevgeny Prigozhin, known as “Putin’s chef”, would have little impact, it may be more effective targeting individual group members who like to holiday abroad with their families.

    The knowledge that they do is a cause of ridicule about western sanctions because this spreads through the rumour mill,” he said. “So stopping all of these people being able to travel internationally, at least to the western world, might be much, much bigger than slapping one more sanction on Prigozhin.”

    It's probably worth hooding a few of them outside their hotel and taking them on a second holiday to a Black Site.
  • shirley_basso
    shirley_basso Posts: 6,195
    Apparently those involved with the atrocities in Bucha have been awarded some form of miliary honour by Putin.
  • thegreatdivide
    thegreatdivide Posts: 5,807
    shirley_basso said:

    Apparently those involved with the atrocities in Bucha have been awarded some form of miliary honour by Putin.

    Some of them have yeah. It's sickening.
  • rjsterry
    rjsterry Posts: 29,491
    Someone has tracked some stolen heavy agricultural equipment back to Chechnya. Significant objective just seems to be nicking stuff.
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  • DeVlaeminck
    DeVlaeminck Posts: 9,092
    Russia issuing Sweden and Finland with a fairly strong warning that they know the consequences if they apply to join NATO.

    Surely any invasion of either - if that is the threat - on those grounds would have to trigger direct involvement of NATO troops.
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  • thegreatdivide
    thegreatdivide Posts: 5,807
    DeVlaeminck said:

    Russia issuing Sweden and Finland with a fairly strong warning that they know the consequences if they apply to join NATO.

    Surely any invasion of either - if that is the threat - on those grounds would have to trigger direct involvement of NATO troops.

    The question is - what would they invade them with? Pretty much all of their land forces are now tied up in Ukraine. They have dregs left in reserve. As mentioned in posts previously, it will take at least a decade for Russia to get close to where they were before they invaded Ukraine - probably longer.

    But yeah, agreed - if they did anything it would trigger NATO.

  • pblakeney
    pblakeney Posts: 27,280
    DeVlaeminck said:

    Russia issuing Sweden and Finland with a fairly strong warning that they know the consequences if they apply to join NATO.

    Surely any invasion of either - if that is the threat - on those grounds would have to trigger direct involvement of NATO troops.

    Well, we've seen what happens to countries not in NATO.
    All Russia has achieved is to increase the desire for countries to join NATO.
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  • shirley_basso
    shirley_basso Posts: 6,195
    Now is the time to do it, while Russia are busy elsewhere.
  • thegreatdivide
    thegreatdivide Posts: 5,807
    I see Oryx tracking Russian losses has now tipped over 3000 pieces of equipment either destroyed or captured:

    Russia - 3011, of which: destroyed: 1593, damaged: 47, abandoned: 243, captured: 1128
  • rick_chasey
    rick_chasey Posts: 75,661
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  • rjsterry
    rjsterry Posts: 29,491
    Has Scholz finally stopped p***ing about?
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  • First.Aspect
    First.Aspect Posts: 17,113
    rjsterry said:

    Has Scholz finally stopped p***ing about?

    No, because they'll still be using Russian gas.
  • kingstonian
    kingstonian Posts: 2,847
    First.Aspect said:

    rjsterry said:

    Has Scholz finally stopped p***ing about?

    No, because they'll still be using Russian gas.

    Was about to say the same. When Germany stops using Russian gas we can cheer, not before.
  • rick_chasey
    rick_chasey Posts: 75,661
    Lad
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  • kingstonian
    kingstonian Posts: 2,847
    rick_chasey said:

    Lad

    Haha, love that.

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