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  • Pross
    Pross Posts: 43,461
    rjsterry said:

    Stevo_666 said:

    rjsterry said:

    Different people go to work for different reasons. Priorities also change with time for different people. If your company is set up on the expectation that people sacrifice their life and work lots of hours they aren't getting paid for, then there's something wrong with the business model. Those demands also act as a filter both to the sort of people willing to do it (gender, personality type, etc) and can induce unintended effects in terms of trying to game the system.

    This.
    I suspect that what Rick is referring to is quite common in professional services and FS - where people are expected to do this when they are 'climbing the greasy pole' with the possibility of high rewards in future if/when they make partner/senior management. Clearly not all will make it, but that's life in the Big City.
    This as well. Defo the case in my line of work.

    But I tell you what, fewer graduates are willing to do it. By the same token they still expect the gravy train.
    As you said, the business model needs reviewing if it relies on hundreds of hours of unpaid overtime.
    Whilst I agree with this I think there are also companies that want to do the right thing but are also nervous to expand the workforce to meet the demand only to have to get rid of people if work slows down. Lots of people still scarred by 2009/10 in our sector. Add to that, even if you want to do it right you get undercut by those who are employing the work all hours model.

    I'm also finding that, whilst accepting all the materials are going up and tradesmen are charging more, clients still expect fees to be at the same level they were paying 8 years or so back.
  • Pross
    Pross Posts: 43,461
    Only just noticed what thread we're in, even by the vagaries of Cake Stop topics it feels inappropriate discussing these issues on this thread.
  • briantrumpet
    briantrumpet Posts: 20,256
    Pross said:

    Only just noticed what thread we're in, even by the vagaries of Cake Stop topics it feels inappropriate discussing these issues on this thread.


    Surprised no-one's posted photos of Ukrainian cats.
  • ddraver
    ddraver Posts: 26,691
    The Conservative thread has spread into the Brexit thread too...
    We're in danger of confusing passion with incompetence
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  • masjer
    masjer Posts: 2,643
    Ukrainian Levkoy
  • briantrumpet
    briantrumpet Posts: 20,256
    masjer said:

    Ukrainian Levkoy


    Looks like it's already been nuked. But being Ukrainian, it's survived, and is now ready for revenge.
  • masjer
    masjer Posts: 2,643
    He does look kind of angry.
  • briantrumpet
    briantrumpet Posts: 20,256
    masjer said:

    He does look kind of angry.


    "Ya gonna do what, ya punk, Putin? Just you try..."
  • blazing_saddles
    blazing_saddles Posts: 22,722
    Trucks full of aid for Ukraine stuck in Britain due to Brexit red tape

    Officials are asking for official paperwork that proves the items will not be sold once they have crossed into the EU.

    https://www.cityam.com/not-going-anywhere-trucks-full-of-aid-for-ukraine-stuck-in-britain-due-to-brexit-red-tape/
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  • ddraver
    ddraver Posts: 26,691
    pretty standard.

    Requires Transit documents, registration with TIA and a carnet stampes at the entrance and exit, to pass through a separate customs regime. Will be easier when Ukraine Joins the CU. Checks will only have to be done at Dover.
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  • DeVlaeminck
    DeVlaeminck Posts: 9,092
    Radio 4 has a series on Putin's career if anyone is interested. I've been listening to them on the turbo trainer - there are quite a few episodes but consequently you do get a fair bit of detail and insight.

    I also listened to a 3 part radio 4 show on the making of Poland - not a history I was overly familiar with and relevant to the Ukraine crisis as Ukraine was once part of the Kingdom of Poland.

    It does give a bit of an insight into how territory and populations have changed in that part of the world.
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  • thegreatdivide
    thegreatdivide Posts: 5,807

    Radio 4 has a series on Putin's career if anyone is interested. I've been listening to them on the turbo trainer - there are quite a few episodes but consequently you do get a fair bit of detail and insight.

    I also listened to a 3 part radio 4 show on the making of Poland - not a history I was overly familiar with and relevant to the Ukraine crisis as Ukraine was once part of the Kingdom of Poland.

    It does give a bit of an insight into how territory and populations have changed in that part of the world.

    I meant to listen to the Poland one. Will bookmark the Putin one at the same time. Cheers for the tip.
  • thegreatdivide
    thegreatdivide Posts: 5,807


    These, plus the Czech tanks, plus the 50 first gen Leopard tanks from Rheinmetall, plus the multitude of repurposed 'captured' tanks from Ivan the C*nt. That's going to be some collection.
  • imposter2.0
    imposter2.0 Posts: 12,028


    These, plus the Czech tanks, plus the 50 first gen Leopard tanks from Rheinmetall, plus the multitude of repurposed 'captured' tanks from Ivan the C*nt. That's going to be some collection.

    Could also be a logistical nightmare. 105mm main armament on the Leopard, 125mm on the others, not to mention different fire control systems, comms eqpt, engines, transmissions, etc.

  • thegreatdivide
    thegreatdivide Posts: 5,807
    edited April 2022


    These, plus the Czech tanks, plus the 50 first gen Leopard tanks from Rheinmetall, plus the multitude of repurposed 'captured' tanks from Ivan the C*nt. That's going to be some collection.

    Could also be a logistical nightmare. 105mm main armament on the Leopard, 125mm on the others, not to mention different fire control systems, comms eqpt, engines, transmissions, etc.

    Comms for all vehicles (including BWP/APC and the wheeled vehicles the UK are sending) are being replaced to make them UF standard across the board. Can't remember which article it mentioned this in but I'll see if I can find it.
  • imposter2.0
    imposter2.0 Posts: 12,028
    I haven't been following what the UK is planning to send. Presumably Warriors, Scimitars, FV432s, or the like? There's probably a few old Saladins or Daimler Scouts knocking about...
  • thegreatdivide
    thegreatdivide Posts: 5,807

    I haven't been following what the UK is planning to send. Presumably Warriors, Scimitars, FV432s, or the like? There's probably a few old Saladins or Daimler Scouts knocking about...

    Quite a collection of vehicles going over there. Anything sensitive is to be stripped out, and as I said above - UF standard comms is going in.

    https://www.forces.net/ukraine/uk/what-armoured-vehicles-are-uk-sending-ukraine
  • thegreatdivide
    thegreatdivide Posts: 5,807
    I wasn't aware that the US had purchased a big load of Mil Mi-8 helicopters for the Afghan Army. Seems they were never delivered in the end. There were rumours that they would be sent to Ukraine in the next delivery of weapons, but that doesn't seem to be happening as of yet.
  • rick_chasey
    rick_chasey Posts: 75,661
    Speaking to some Germans in the consulting biz. There has been a lot of people let go as a result of the war.

    She made the point that almost all of the main industries in Germany are very energy intensive.

    Hadn’t thought of it like that.
  • First.Aspect
    First.Aspect Posts: 17,117

    Speaking to some Germans in the consulting biz. There has been a lot of people let go as a result of the war.

    She made the point that almost all of the main industries in Germany are very energy intensive.

    Hadn’t thought of it like that.

    Does "consulting" have a particular meaning in your mind?

  • rick_chasey
    rick_chasey Posts: 75,661

    Speaking to some Germans in the consulting biz. There has been a lot of people let go as a result of the war.

    She made the point that almost all of the main industries in Germany are very energy intensive.

    Hadn’t thought of it like that.

    Does "consulting" have a particular meaning in your mind?

    Your favourites, Management Consultants, of course!
  • First.Aspect
    First.Aspect Posts: 17,117

    Speaking to some Germans in the consulting biz. There has been a lot of people let go as a result of the war.

    She made the point that almost all of the main industries in Germany are very energy intensive.

    Hadn’t thought of it like that.

    Does "consulting" have a particular meaning in your mind?

    Your favourites, Management Consultants, of course!
    Are they the ones who go in, identify excess photocopying costs, and that by working twice as hard you can save on half the staff? Or are you talking about the ones who go in and find a way to justify the decisions that have already been made?
  • orraloon
    orraloon Posts: 13,227
    😊 I worked for one of what was then 'big 6' consultancies. Several assignments were clearly excuses by orgn's management to use us as the rationale for implementing rad changes. Rather than owning the impacts and effects, it was easier for them to blame us outsiders for analysing and reporting on what they wanted us to say.
  • pangolin
    pangolin Posts: 6,648

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  • rick_chasey
    rick_chasey Posts: 75,661
    edited April 2022

    Speaking to some Germans in the consulting biz. There has been a lot of people let go as a result of the war.

    She made the point that almost all of the main industries in Germany are very energy intensive.

    Hadn’t thought of it like that.

    Does "consulting" have a particular meaning in your mind?

    Your favourites, Management Consultants, of course!
    Are they the ones who go in, identify excess photocopying costs, and that by working twice as hard you can save on half the staff? Or are you talking about the ones who go in and find a way to justify the decisions that have already been made?
    Either, but for big fat juicy fees that your bosses are more than happy to pay :)


    Anyway, I hadn't factored that the economy of Germany was by nature more energy intensive so they are more exposed to energy prices compared to the more heavily service orientated UK, which explains a bit more why there is so much reticence over there about cutting off Russian Oil & Gas exports.
  • First.Aspect
    First.Aspect Posts: 17,117

    Speaking to some Germans in the consulting biz. There has been a lot of people let go as a result of the war.

    She made the point that almost all of the main industries in Germany are very energy intensive.

    Hadn’t thought of it like that.

    Does "consulting" have a particular meaning in your mind?

    Your favourites, Management Consultants, of course!
    Are they the ones who go in, identify excess photocopying costs, and that by working twice as hard you can save on half the staff? Or are you talking about the ones who go in and find a way to justify the decisions that have already been made?
    Either, but for big fat juicy fees that your bosses are more than happy to pay :)


    Anyway, I hadn't factored that the economy of Germany was by nature more energy intensive so they are more exposed to energy prices compared to the more heavily service orientated UK, which explains a bit more why there is so much reticence over there about cutting off Russian Oil & Gas exports.
    It's a good point.

    We are too small to warrant consultants of that nature. But we did spend a little more than necessary (I.e. more than nothing) to rearrange the offices to make them covid safe. You'd think a bunch of PhDs would trust themselves to use a tape measure, but hey, box needed ticking.
  • rjsterry
    rjsterry Posts: 29,492
    edited April 2022
    I see Ukrainian

    Speaking to some Germans in the consulting biz. There has been a lot of people let go as a result of the war.

    She made the point that almost all of the main industries in Germany are very energy intensive.

    Hadn’t thought of it like that.

    Does "consulting" have a particular meaning in your mind?

    Your favourites, Management Consultants, of course!
    Are they the ones who go in, identify excess photocopying costs, and that by working twice as hard you can save on half the staff? Or are you talking about the ones who go in and find a way to justify the decisions that have already been made?
    Either, but for big fat juicy fees that your bosses are more than happy to pay :)


    Anyway, I hadn't factored that the economy of Germany was by nature more energy intensive so they are more exposed to energy prices compared to the more heavily service orientated UK, which explains a bit more why there is so much reticence over there about cutting off Russian Oil & Gas exports.
    Stands to reason. Engineering and manufacturing uses a lot of energy. Think of the number of processes that require lots of heat or pressure or electricity. There are plenty of manufacturers in the UK also suffering from the gas price hikes even though they weren't burning Russian gas. It's just a smaller part of our economy.
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  • rjsterry
    rjsterry Posts: 29,492
    edited April 2022

    Speaking to some Germans in the consulting biz. There has been a lot of people let go as a result of the war.

    She made the point that almost all of the main industries in Germany are very energy intensive.

    Hadn’t thought of it like that.

    Does "consulting" have a particular meaning in your mind?

    Your favourites, Management Consultants, of course!
    Are they the ones who go in, identify excess photocopying costs, and that by working twice as hard you can save on half the staff? Or are you talking about the ones who go in and find a way to justify the decisions that have already been made?
    Either, but for big fat juicy fees that your bosses are more than happy to pay :)


    Anyway, I hadn't factored that the economy of Germany was by nature more energy intensive so they are more exposed to energy prices compared to the more heavily service orientated UK, which explains a bit more why there is so much reticence over there about cutting off Russian Oil & Gas exports.
    It's a good point.

    We are too small to warrant consultants of that nature. But we did spend a little more than necessary (I.e. more than nothing) to rearrange the offices to make them covid safe. You'd think a bunch of PhDs would trust themselves to use a tape measure, but hey, box needed ticking.
    You really should set up your own firm. Then you'd only have yourself to moan about :)
    1985 Mercian King of Mercia - work in progress (Hah! Who am I kidding?)
    Pinnacle Monzonite

    Part of the anti-growth coalition
  • First.Aspect
    First.Aspect Posts: 17,117
    rjsterry said:

    Speaking to some Germans in the consulting biz. There has been a lot of people let go as a result of the war.

    She made the point that almost all of the main industries in Germany are very energy intensive.

    Hadn’t thought of it like that.

    Does "consulting" have a particular meaning in your mind?

    Your favourites, Management Consultants, of course!
    Are they the ones who go in, identify excess photocopying costs, and that by working twice as hard you can save on half the staff? Or are you talking about the ones who go in and find a way to justify the decisions that have already been made?
    Either, but for big fat juicy fees that your bosses are more than happy to pay :)


    Anyway, I hadn't factored that the economy of Germany was by nature more energy intensive so they are more exposed to energy prices compared to the more heavily service orientated UK, which explains a bit more why there is so much reticence over there about cutting off Russian Oil & Gas exports.
    It's a good point.

    We are too small to warrant consultants of that nature. But we did spend a little more than necessary (I.e. more than nothing) to rearrange the offices to make them covid safe. You'd think a bunch of PhDs would trust themselves to use a tape measure, but hey, box needed ticking.
    You really should set up your own firm. Then you'd only have yourself to moan about :)
    Am surrounded by like minded people phlegmatically getting on with it.

    People study organisational behaviour like this, you know. Is actually quite interesting.
  • briantrumpet
    briantrumpet Posts: 20,256

    rjsterry said:

    Speaking to some Germans in the consulting biz. There has been a lot of people let go as a result of the war.

    She made the point that almost all of the main industries in Germany are very energy intensive.

    Hadn’t thought of it like that.

    Does "consulting" have a particular meaning in your mind?

    Your favourites, Management Consultants, of course!
    Are they the ones who go in, identify excess photocopying costs, and that by working twice as hard you can save on half the staff? Or are you talking about the ones who go in and find a way to justify the decisions that have already been made?
    Either, but for big fat juicy fees that your bosses are more than happy to pay :)


    Anyway, I hadn't factored that the economy of Germany was by nature more energy intensive so they are more exposed to energy prices compared to the more heavily service orientated UK, which explains a bit more why there is so much reticence over there about cutting off Russian Oil & Gas exports.
    It's a good point.

    We are too small to warrant consultants of that nature. But we did spend a little more than necessary (I.e. more than nothing) to rearrange the offices to make them covid safe. You'd think a bunch of PhDs would trust themselves to use a tape measure, but hey, box needed ticking.
    You really should set up your own firm. Then you'd only have yourself to moan about :)
    Am surrounded by like minded people phlegmatically getting on with it.

    People study organisational behaviour like this, you know. Is actually quite interesting.

    Dodge the phlegm, I'd advise.