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or at least Britin in ten years time if the Tories stay in powerMattFalle said:
tbh, sounds like he was in AlsagerFirst.Aspect said:
Do you get ALL your information from watching Borat?john80 said:
I would echo this view of Russia. Imagine. Being on the equivalent of the M25 outside Moscow. Horses and carts on the hard shoulder. Old lady smacking her stick on the bonnet of six lanes of traffic as she crosses the raid to get from presumably her field to the blocks of flats on the other side. Went out of the sailing venue to the local shop and some guy is trying to sell me his toothless daughter age not known. Many men hanging out the dinghy park with ak47s where it was or clear what sort of threat we were being protected from. Organiser had to go into the centre of Moscow to bail out the Japanese team who got arrested for taking photos in red square. The place was a basket case in 2005 and this is not even the sticks.ddraver said:
I don't think so, not directly anyway...MattFalle said:.
TBh, the fact that they are all nicking microwaves, washing machines, etc, points to an order that has told them to strip the country of all assets snd destroy what they can't
That's more a case of them not actually having such things at home. I never really put much thought into it when I was in Russia but if you stepped out if the rich CBD zone things went peasant very quickly.
There are modern, flash appartements like those on the banks of the Thames, horrific looking, clearly Soviet era flats and then wooden houses and mud paths.
Guess which part the bulk of the army is probably drawn from...
Edit - terrible source, but this sort of vibe.The camera down the willy isn't anything like as bad as it sounds.
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That I'm defending John may give you an idea of how misguided you are, he (and I) are speaking from direct experience.
Even on very very short, -25degC winter runs* I could get far enough out of an otherwise very rich oil town to see it.
(* and trust me, this is no humble brag, it was around the second or third corner out from my Best Western. I am an even worse runner than I am a cyclist)We're in danger of confusing passion with incompetence
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These are all first hand accounts of a sailing world championships I attended in Russia in 2005. You keep thinking it's a first world country my friend.First.Aspect said:
Do you get ALL your information from watching Borat?john80 said:
I would echo this view of Russia. Imagine. Being on the equivalent of the M25 outside Moscow. Horses and carts on the hard shoulder. Old lady smacking her stick on the bonnet of six lanes of traffic as she crosses the raid to get from presumably her field to the blocks of flats on the other side. Went out of the sailing venue to the local shop and some guy is trying to sell me his toothless daughter age not known. Many men hanging out the dinghy park with ak47s where it was or clear what sort of threat we were being protected from. Organiser had to go into the centre of Moscow to bail out the Japanese team who got arrested for taking photos in red square. The place was a basket case in 2005 and this is not even the sticks.ddraver said:
I don't think so, not directly anyway...MattFalle said:.
TBh, the fact that they are all nicking microwaves, washing machines, etc, points to an order that has told them to strip the country of all assets snd destroy what they can't
That's more a case of them not actually having such things at home. I never really put much thought into it when I was in Russia but if you stepped out if the rich CBD zone things went peasant very quickly.
There are modern, flash appartements like those on the banks of the Thames, horrific looking, clearly Soviet era flats and then wooden houses and mud paths.
Guess which part the bulk of the army is probably drawn from...
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No, just a flippant remark.john80 said:
These are all first hand accounts of a sailing world championships I attended in Russia in 2005. You keep thinking it's a first world country my friend.First.Aspect said:
Do you get ALL your information from watching Borat?john80 said:
I would echo this view of Russia. Imagine. Being on the equivalent of the M25 outside Moscow. Horses and carts on the hard shoulder. Old lady smacking her stick on the bonnet of six lanes of traffic as she crosses the raid to get from presumably her field to the blocks of flats on the other side. Went out of the sailing venue to the local shop and some guy is trying to sell me his toothless daughter age not known. Many men hanging out the dinghy park with ak47s where it was or clear what sort of threat we were being protected from. Organiser had to go into the centre of Moscow to bail out the Japanese team who got arrested for taking photos in red square. The place was a basket case in 2005 and this is not even the sticks.ddraver said:
I don't think so, not directly anyway...MattFalle said:.
TBh, the fact that they are all nicking microwaves, washing machines, etc, points to an order that has told them to strip the country of all assets snd destroy what they can't
That's more a case of them not actually having such things at home. I never really put much thought into it when I was in Russia but if you stepped out if the rich CBD zone things went peasant very quickly.
There are modern, flash appartements like those on the banks of the Thames, horrific looking, clearly Soviet era flats and then wooden houses and mud paths.
Guess which part the bulk of the army is probably drawn from...
Edit - terrible source, but this sort of vibe
You just need to do the maths to realise it must be like that. Population 5 times Spain, same GDP. Huge area means infra will not stretch too far out of cities.
Been off the beaten track just about enough to have seen the lovely warm weather version of poverty. Can't imagine its much fun in a continental climate.
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The bloke from UB40 at the start. Total mentalist.1
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Putin will give them a better life, more education, stability... lmao- Genesis Croix de Fer
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At a guess there are a few possible explanations:thegreatdivide said:
1. These are the people who get their info from State TV and swallow the govt narrative hook, line and sinker.
2. They are government plants paid to say that.
3. They are ordinary people who are aware of the FSB heavy standing behind the camera who will cart them off if they go off message."I spent most of my money on birds, booze and fast cars: the rest of it I just squandered." [George Best]0 -
4. He thinks it.Stevo_666 said:
At a guess there are a few possible explanations:thegreatdivide said:
1. These are the people who get their info from State TV and swallow the govt narrative hook, line and sinker.
2. They are government plants paid to say that.
3. They are ordinary people who are aware of the FSB heavy standing behind the camera who will cart them off if they go off message.
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He thinks it for the reasons stated..rick_chasey said:
4. He thinks it.Stevo_666 said:
At a guess there are a few possible explanations:thegreatdivide said:
1. These are the people who get their info from State TV and swallow the govt narrative hook, line and sinker.
2. They are government plants paid to say that.
3. They are ordinary people who are aware of the FSB heavy standing behind the camera who will cart them off if they go off message.0 -
Some people are just awful. I am not a fan of offering up excuses for people's bad views.imposter2.0 said:
He thinks it for the reasons stated..rick_chasey said:
4. He thinks it.Stevo_666 said:
At a guess there are a few possible explanations:thegreatdivide said:
1. These are the people who get their info from State TV and swallow the govt narrative hook, line and sinker.
2. They are government plants paid to say that.
3. They are ordinary people who are aware of the FSB heavy standing behind the camera who will cart them off if they go off message.
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He thinks it for the same reason as Trumpers think and say what they do and De Pffeffelists snd UKippers think and say what they do..
The camera down the willy isn't anything like as bad as it sounds.
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This is the problem with Russia though. You are dealing with a state that is happy to start conflicts on other sovereign states land safe in the knowledge another superpower would not step foot on their land or they go nuclear. The population that is already mainly dirt poor are living under little consequence for their actions. Sanctions don't make much difference to them are they are already so insulated from the world.0
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A couple of questions that I am pondering. How self sufficient is Russia?
How long can they go on with sanctions making little difference?The above may be fact, or fiction, I may be serious, I may be jesting.
I am not sure. You have no chance.Veronese68 wrote:PB is the most sensible person on here.0 -
its not just Russins saying this though.
Here, Tucker Carlson, Fox presenter, stalwart of Trump has his say.
.The camera down the willy isn't anything like as bad as it sounds.
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Indefinitely. They have a lot of natural resources. And they don't need to anyway, given the stance of China and India. That's about 1/4 of the world's population between them.pblakeney said:A couple of questions that I am pondering. How self sufficient is Russia?
How long can they go on with sanctions making little difference?
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My guess is that, in terms of subsistence, they're probably pretty well positioned. Minerals, oil, vast agricultural areas etc.pblakeney said:A couple of questions that I am pondering. How self sufficient is Russia?
How long can they go on with sanctions making little difference?
However, there is a difference between subsistence and living as many in Russia would like to or are used to especially those toward the higher end of the socio-economic spectrum. As somebody said upthread, the sanctions are unlikley to make much difference at all to those at the lower end of that spectrum.
I'm pretty sure that if Russia got its shittogether it could be pretty much self sufficient indefinitely.Wilier Izoard XP0 -
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That's what I thought, and feared. Unless someone up top gets annoyed enough to "hit" him then they make no difference.laurentian said:
My guess is that, in terms of subsistence, they're probably pretty well positioned. Minerals, oil, vast agricultural areas etc.pblakeney said:A couple of questions that I am pondering. How self sufficient is Russia?
How long can they go on with sanctions making little difference?
However, there is a difference between subsistence and living as many in Russia would like to or are used to especially those toward the higher end of the socio-economic spectrum. As somebody said upthread, the sanctions are unlikley to make much difference at all to those at the lower end of that spectrum.
I'm pretty sure that if Russia got its shittogether it could be pretty much self sufficient indefinitely.The above may be fact, or fiction, I may be serious, I may be jesting.
I am not sure. You have no chance.Veronese68 wrote:PB is the most sensible person on here.0 -
Well quite. A lot of ordinary Russians have no internet access and rely on state TV for their view of the world. They don't just wake up in the morning and decide on their own that Ukraine is full of nazis etc.imposter2.0 said:
He thinks it for the reasons stated..rick_chasey said:
4. He thinks it.Stevo_666 said:
At a guess there are a few possible explanations:thegreatdivide said:
1. These are the people who get their info from State TV and swallow the govt narrative hook, line and sinker.
2. They are government plants paid to say that.
3. They are ordinary people who are aware of the FSB heavy standing behind the camera who will cart them off if they go off message."I spent most of my money on birds, booze and fast cars: the rest of it I just squandered." [George Best]1 -
The control of the media in Russia and general (lack of) access to other more independent sources compared to UK or US means the situation is actually rather different.MattFalle said:He thinks it for the same reason as Trumpers think and say what they do and De Pffeffelists snd UKippers think and say what they do.
"I spent most of my money on birds, booze and fast cars: the rest of it I just squandered." [George Best]0 -
stupid is as stupid does to a massive extent though.Stevo_666 said:
The control of the media in Russia and general (lack of) access to other more independent sources compared to UK or US means the situation is actually rather different.MattFalle said:He thinks it for the same reason as Trumpers think and say what they do and De Pffeffelists snd UKippers think and say what they do.
people in the UK and US have access to every dimension of information but choose to read, listen and believe one variant..The camera down the willy isn't anything like as bad as it sounds.
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Someone somewhere is deciding that they are and if it's utter nonsense to people they won't be beleived.Stevo_666 said:
Well quite. A lot of ordinary Russians have no internet access and rely on state TV for their view of the world. They don't just wake up in the morning and decide on their own that Ukraine is full of nazis etc.imposter2.0 said:
He thinks it for the reasons stated..rick_chasey said:
4. He thinks it.Stevo_666 said:
At a guess there are a few possible explanations:thegreatdivide said:
1. These are the people who get their info from State TV and swallow the govt narrative hook, line and sinker.
2. They are government plants paid to say that.
3. They are ordinary people who are aware of the FSB heavy standing behind the camera who will cart them off if they go off message.
There are plenty of people who can see through the propaganda. It's not hard to work it out.
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He is venting because the price of his nightly quart of vodka has sky rocketed."Science is a tool for cheaters". An anonymous French PE teacher.0
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Only those with access to outside sources have the opportunity to see through the propaganda, so not your rural living or working class city dwelling Russian, or probably most of their older population.rick_chasey said:
Someone somewhere is deciding that they are and if it's utter nonsense to people they won't be beleived.Stevo_666 said:
Well quite. A lot of ordinary Russians have no internet access and rely on state TV for their view of the world. They don't just wake up in the morning and decide on their own that Ukraine is full of nazis etc.imposter2.0 said:
He thinks it for the reasons stated..rick_chasey said:
4. He thinks it.Stevo_666 said:
At a guess there are a few possible explanations:thegreatdivide said:
1. These are the people who get their info from State TV and swallow the govt narrative hook, line and sinker.
2. They are government plants paid to say that.
3. They are ordinary people who are aware of the FSB heavy standing behind the camera who will cart them off if they go off message.
There are plenty of people who can see through the propaganda. It's not hard to work it out.
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Until this month there were plenty of opportunities to see other views. 5 years ago even more so. 5 years before that, again, even more so.Dorset_Boy said:
Only those with access to outside sources have the opportunity to see through the propaganda, so not your rural living or working class city dwelling Russian, or probably most of their older population.rick_chasey said:
Someone somewhere is deciding that they are and if it's utter nonsense to people they won't be beleived.Stevo_666 said:
Well quite. A lot of ordinary Russians have no internet access and rely on state TV for their view of the world. They don't just wake up in the morning and decide on their own that Ukraine is full of nazis etc.imposter2.0 said:
He thinks it for the reasons stated..rick_chasey said:
4. He thinks it.Stevo_666 said:
At a guess there are a few possible explanations:thegreatdivide said:
1. These are the people who get their info from State TV and swallow the govt narrative hook, line and sinker.
2. They are government plants paid to say that.
3. They are ordinary people who are aware of the FSB heavy standing behind the camera who will cart them off if they go off message.
There are plenty of people who can see through the propaganda. It's not hard to work it out.
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There are stupid people everywhere. Not all get brainwashed by state media: the interview above demonstrated this pretty wellMattFalle said:
stupid is as stupid does to a massive extent though.Stevo_666 said:
The control of the media in Russia and general (lack of) access to other more independent sources compared to UK or US means the situation is actually rather different.MattFalle said:He thinks it for the same reason as Trumpers think and say what they do and De Pffeffelists snd UKippers think and say what they do.
people in the UK and US have access to every dimension of information but choose to read, listen and believe one variant."I spent most of my money on birds, booze and fast cars: the rest of it I just squandered." [George Best]0 -
The point DB is making is that a lot of them never really had that access.rick_chasey said:
Until this month there were plenty of opportunities to see other views. 5 years ago even more so. 5 years before that, again, even more so.Dorset_Boy said:
Only those with access to outside sources have the opportunity to see through the propaganda, so not your rural living or working class city dwelling Russian, or probably most of their older population.rick_chasey said:
Someone somewhere is deciding that they are and if it's utter nonsense to people they won't be beleived.Stevo_666 said:
Well quite. A lot of ordinary Russians have no internet access and rely on state TV for their view of the world. They don't just wake up in the morning and decide on their own that Ukraine is full of nazis etc.imposter2.0 said:
He thinks it for the reasons stated..rick_chasey said:
4. He thinks it.Stevo_666 said:
At a guess there are a few possible explanations:thegreatdivide said:
1. These are the people who get their info from State TV and swallow the govt narrative hook, line and sinker.
2. They are government plants paid to say that.
3. They are ordinary people who are aware of the FSB heavy standing behind the camera who will cart them off if they go off message.
There are plenty of people who can see through the propaganda. It's not hard to work it out."I spent most of my money on birds, booze and fast cars: the rest of it I just squandered." [George Best]0
