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Another reason why supply chains matter:
https://telegraph.co.uk/world-news/2022/04/01/vladimir-putin-running-missiles-parts-made-ukraine/
In case its paywalled:
"A substantial portion of fighter jet engines and tank components are made in Ukrainian factories, which no longer supply Russian forces
Vladimir Putin risks running out of viable tanks, missiles and fighter jets because the components they use are made in Ukraine, The Telegraph understands.
The engines for all Russian helicopters, ships and cruise missiles and a substantial portion of fighter jet engines and ground-to-air missile and tank components are made in Ukrainian factories, which no longer supply Mr Putin’s forces."
One for the irony thread?"I spent most of my money on birds, booze and fast cars: the rest of it I just squandered." [George Best]1 -
One for yhe "we didn't yhink this thtough properly" thread.
initial thought: yeah, invade Ukraine, take it all over, get all the land, crops, factories that make all our bits, harmonise synergies, cut costs, etc etc"
reality: oh. now this ain't going according to plan. now fells, who's going to tell mad vlad?.The camera down the willy isn't anything like as bad as it sounds.
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MattFalle said:
One for yhe "we didn't yhink this thtough properly" thread.
initial thought: yeah, invade Ukraine, take it all over, get all the land, crops, factories that make all our bits, harmonise synergies, cut costs, etc etc"
reality: oh. now this ain't going according to plan. now fells, who's going to tell mad vlad?
It's almost like a populist leader of a post-empire country, who was convinced of the ability of his own nation to pretend they could survive without the co-operation of their nearest neighbours and delusional about the leverage they had over his those neighbours, has found that the neighbours aren't so keen on the idea.2 -
Yet again the Russians have done a runner and left behind yet more secret squirrel comms equipment.
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oh now, don't be silly.briantrumpet said:MattFalle said:One for yhe "we didn't yhink this thtough properly" thread.
initial thought: yeah, invade Ukraine, take it all over, get all the land, crops, factories that make all our bits, harmonise synergies, cut costs, etc etc"
reality: oh. now this ain't going according to plan. now fells, who's going to tell mad vlad?
It's almost like a populist leader of a post-empire country, who was convinced of the ability of his own nation to pretend they could survive without the co-operation of their nearest neighbours and delusional about the leverage they had over his those neighbours, has found that the neighbours aren't so keen on the idea.
Who'd a thunk someone would be as daft as to do a thing like that, eh?
Oh..The camera down the willy isn't anything like as bad as it sounds.
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another sign of sn Army without morale.thegreatdivide said:Yet again the Russians have done a runner and left behind yet more secret squirrel comms equipment.
its all gone #toshit, really.
Latest figures are 18,000 Russian casualties. Its just appalling..The camera down the willy isn't anything like as bad as it sounds.
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It's unfathomable how Russia could have misjudged this so badly.
Has Putin just got rid of anyone that tells him stuff he doesn't want to hear or is he just ignoring the advice that is coming through to him and pressing on regardless. Either way how can a major nation be run by people who could make such a catastrophic error? I guess it's a case that being good at achieving and staying power is a different skill set to being good at using that power.
I've read the way Crimea was taken may have misled Russia into thinking there would be no resistance but I find it hard to buy that. I mean the fierce conflict in Donbas and the modernisation of the Ukrainian armed forces can't have been a secret and Ukraine must be pretty simple to gather information about given its location and the fact there are or were lots of Russian sympathisers in the country.[Castle Donington Ladies FC - going up in '22]0 -
tbf, a British lad once left a Rover full of comms kit, with full crypto in it, parked up with the keys in.thegreatdivide said:Yet again the Russians have done a runner and left behind yet more secret squirrel comms equipment.
Local Gypsy lad nicked it, as you do.
Drove it away, looked in the back, realised what he had, parked it up, took keys out, popped them in the local Police station with a note telling the Army to be more careful next time.
Regtl or Brigade CO - can't, remember which - wrote a letter to Gypsy fella thanking him..The camera down the willy isn't anything like as bad as it sounds.
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I guess you could argue he was taking a novel approach to bringing the supply chain in house.Stevo_666 said:Another reason why supply chains matter:
https://telegraph.co.uk/world-news/2022/04/01/vladimir-putin-running-missiles-parts-made-ukraine/
In case its paywalled:
"A substantial portion of fighter jet engines and tank components are made in Ukrainian factories, which no longer supply Russian forces
Vladimir Putin risks running out of viable tanks, missiles and fighter jets because the components they use are made in Ukraine, The Telegraph understands.
The engines for all Russian helicopters, ships and cruise missiles and a substantial portion of fighter jet engines and ground-to-air missile and tank components are made in Ukrainian factories, which no longer supply Mr Putin’s forces."
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He probably thought he could bring the whole country in house, but it hasn't worked too well. That said, Putin seems so far removed from the realities and details that he probably had no idea something like this might become a problem. Hey ho.pangolin said:
I guess you could argue he was taking a novel approach to bringing the supply chain in house.Stevo_666 said:Another reason why supply chains matter:
https://telegraph.co.uk/world-news/2022/04/01/vladimir-putin-running-missiles-parts-made-ukraine/
In case its paywalled:
"A substantial portion of fighter jet engines and tank components are made in Ukrainian factories, which no longer supply Russian forces
Vladimir Putin risks running out of viable tanks, missiles and fighter jets because the components they use are made in Ukraine, The Telegraph understands.
The engines for all Russian helicopters, ships and cruise missiles and a substantial portion of fighter jet engines and ground-to-air missile and tank components are made in Ukrainian factories, which no longer supply Mr Putin’s forces."
One for the irony thread?"I spent most of my money on birds, booze and fast cars: the rest of it I just squandered." [George Best]0 -
Definitely doesn't seem to be going Vlads way in the last week according to this:
https://telegraph.co.uk/world-news/2022/04/02/week-turned-war-ukraine-halted-russian-advance/"I spent most of my money on birds, booze and fast cars: the rest of it I just squandered." [George Best]0 -
I thought it had been widely reported that Russian soldiers were stealing/scavenging food because the stuff they'd been issued with was insufficient. If they are living in conditions like that video posted the other day basic hygiene is going to be non-existent.MattFalle said:Thry've been in thr field for
deeper you dig, radiation levels go up ibelieve because its all soaked into the ground.rjsterry said:
No real idea but if they are living in trenches eating expired rations then could be all sorts. From what I read radiation sickness is caused by direct exposure to high energy radiation and that is only usually found during or immediately after something like the Chernobyl accident. Apparently the stuff that emits higher energy radiation has a shorter half life so by now, 30 years later, it's all relatively low level that will cause longer term harm if exposed for long periods or ingested, but not radiation sickness. Inhaling radioactive dust from digging trenches certainly wouldn't do you any good, but I think it should take longer to have an effect. Anyway, that's what I read in a couple of different places.MattFalle said:
what would be your diagnosis out of interest?rjsterry said:
I'm somewhat sceptical that's what they are suffering.MattFalle said:
seems the Russian troops who are bring treated for radiation poisoning at the moment didn't get the memo.....rjsterry said:
I forgot to add 'unless you are loaded and likely to donate to a political partyTheBigBean said:
Profit from it too.rjsterry said:
Yes. The HO seems to also have some pretty fundamental organisational problems as they seem to lurch from one screw up to another, but the general and specific policy direction set by the last two or three Home Secretaries has been absolutely unambiguous: reduce immigration by any means.john80 said:
I love the power which you think politicians wield over the civil service. So is your claim that the politicians are going on air to say they have simplified the process and are trying to ramp up processing them. That same said politician then says to the civil service boss I want to to stall all applications as much as possible and you can only use three people to do it. If this is the case then senior civil servants really have not power and I wonder why we pay them.rjsterry said:
Because the politicians are the civil servants bosses. The former are responsible for what their staff do. They have been instructed by every Home Secretary for the last 12 years to make the process of applying for a visa as expensive, long-winded and complex as possible. Unless of course you have lots of money then you can come in no questions asked.john80 said:
It is not keeping them where they are being killed you Muppet. Russian troops routinely shelling people on evacuation routes is doing this. No one is sitting in a basement in Mariupol with no electricity, food or running water trying to fill in a UK visa application as th first step to seeking safety. So unless women and children are being murdered within Ukraine where they have been displaced to the West or surrounding counties they have fled to whilst they wait for a visa decision you are talking out of your censored .MattFalle said:
sorry?john80 said:
So now you have admitted where the visa applications ar coming from do you want to double down that women and children are dying whilst they are processed. It is a bit of a stretch. Those dying are not dying because of a visa system. They are dying because Russians keep killing them.MattFalle said:
well they ain't coming from people having prosecco parties in Whitehall. and quiz nights. and byo nights. and dancing the night before the funeral of the Monarch's husband.john80 said:
The visa applications are not coming from those sitting in a shelter getting bombed in Mariupol. The applications are coming primarily from outside Ukraine so yes the speed is embarrassingly slow however to suggest women and children are dying whilst waiting for it to be approved is stretching it a bit.MattFalle said:10% processing rate as women and children continue to die on a daily basis.
#efficiencies
they're coming from people in Ukraine and living in refugee accomodation and who have lost everything including family members so yes, John, they are coming from people who lives have been destroyed.
its not stretching it a bit.
wtaf?
the visa system thst is so rubbish it keeps them where tbey are getting killed is nothing to do with them being killed?
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If you want to get critical why is it out civil service and only process so slowly. This is a common thread in UK life where we blame politicians when civil servants can't even ramp up basic admin.
From what I've read, you don't get radiation sickness from spending a few days in an area that had an accident over 30 years ago. You might increase the probability of developing cancer in your lifetime but that won't make you sick in a few days. As likely to be some other disease from living in awful conditions on poor nutrition.MattFalle said:
not really tbh - if anything goes wrong, no matter how small - you've the irradiated a chunk of Ukraine.Pross said:Always found it strange there was a big deal made when Russia captured Chernobyl in the first day or so, I can imagine that was one patch of land Ukraine was happy to give up
The Russians would just leave their irradiated bods there and show less than zero cares sbout what they've done.
why do you think they are eating expired rations?
Even if they are expired, they're fine to eat for a couple of years - its all vacuum packed boil in the bag stuff. essentially same as campers and the suchlike buy in Millets at a fiver a pouch.
anyhow, they've only been in the field for 4 weeks and the first couple of weeks supply lines were fine a so i wouldn't worry much about that.
Some of the thoughts that maybe these soldiers are just conventionally sick.
I've seen one comment that you would need to spend 10-20 years in the forest to receive a high enough dose to cause acute radiation sickness.1985 Mercian King of Mercia - work in progress (Hah! Who am I kidding?)
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The Russians have also left a series of what looks to be atrocities against the civilian population in Bucha. I won’t share the video of the streets or of the photo taken by a wall mentioned in this report. It’s circulating on Twitter if you need to see it. They’re scum. Doesn’t matter if you’re a sh1tty little Russian conscript crying for your mother or a professional soldier, you’re scum.
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some, not all re scavenging.rjsterry said:
I thought it had been widely reported that Russian soldiers were stealing/scavenging food because the stuff they'd been issued with was insufficient. If they are living in conditions like that video posted the other day basic hygiene is going to be non-existent.MattFalle said:Thry've been in thr field for
deeper you dig, radiation levels go up ibelieve because its all soaked into the ground.rjsterry said:
No real idea but if they are living in trenches eating expired rations then could be all sorts. From what I read radiation sickness is caused by direct exposure to high energy radiation and that is only usually found during or immediately after something like the Chernobyl accident. Apparently the stuff that emits higher energy radiation has a shorter half life so by now, 30 years later, it's all relatively low level that will cause longer term harm if exposed for long periods or ingested, but not radiation sickness. Inhaling radioactive dust from digging trenches certainly wouldn't do you any good, but I think it should take longer to have an effect. Anyway, that's what I read in a couple of different places.MattFalle said:
what would be your diagnosis out of interest?rjsterry said:
I'm somewhat sceptical that's what they are suffering.MattFalle said:
seems the Russian troops who are bring treated for radiation poisoning at the moment didn't get the memo.....rjsterry said:
I forgot to add 'unless you are loaded and likely to donate to a political partyTheBigBean said:
Profit from it too.rjsterry said:
Yes. The HO seems to also have some pretty fundamental organisational problems as they seem to lurch from one screw up to another, but the general and specific policy direction set by the last two or three Home Secretaries has been absolutely unambiguous: reduce immigration by any means.john80 said:
I love the power which you think politicians wield over the civil service. So is your claim that the politicians are going on air to say they have simplified the process and are trying to ramp up processing them. That same said politician then says to the civil service boss I want to to stall all applications as much as possible and you can only use three people to do it. If this is the case then senior civil servants really have not power and I wonder why we pay them.rjsterry said:
Because the politicians are the civil servants bosses. The former are responsible for what their staff do. They have been instructed by every Home Secretary for the last 12 years to make the process of applying for a visa as expensive, long-winded and complex as possible. Unless of course you have lots of money then you can come in no questions asked.john80 said:
It is not keeping them where they are being killed you Muppet. Russian troops routinely shelling people on evacuation routes is doing this. No one is sitting in a basement in Mariupol with no electricity, food or running water trying to fill in a UK visa application as th first step to seeking safety. So unless women and children are being murdered within Ukraine where they have been displaced to the West or surrounding counties they have fled to whilst they wait for a visa decision you are talking out of your censored .MattFalle said:
sorry?john80 said:
So now you have admitted where the visa applications ar coming from do you want to double down that women and children are dying whilst they are processed. It is a bit of a stretch. Those dying are not dying because of a visa system. They are dying because Russians keep killing them.MattFalle said:
well they ain't coming from people having prosecco parties in Whitehall. and quiz nights. and byo nights. and dancing the night before the funeral of the Monarch's husband.john80 said:
The visa applications are not coming from those sitting in a shelter getting bombed in Mariupol. The applications are coming primarily from outside Ukraine so yes the speed is embarrassingly slow however to suggest women and children are dying whilst waiting for it to be approved is stretching it a bit.MattFalle said:10% processing rate as women and children continue to die on a daily basis.
#efficiencies
they're coming from people in Ukraine and living in refugee accomodation and who have lost everything including family members so yes, John, they are coming from people who lives have been destroyed.
its not stretching it a bit.
wtaf?
the visa system thst is so rubbish it keeps them where tbey are getting killed is nothing to do with them being killed?
eh?
If you want to get critical why is it out civil service and only process so slowly. This is a common thread in UK life where we blame politicians when civil servants can't even ramp up basic admin.
From what I've read, you don't get radiation sickness from spending a few days in an area that had an accident over 30 years ago. You might increase the probability of developing cancer in your lifetime but that won't make you sick in a few days. As likely to be some other disease from living in awful conditions on poor nutrition.MattFalle said:
not really tbh - if anything goes wrong, no matter how small - you've the irradiated a chunk of Ukraine.Pross said:Always found it strange there was a big deal made when Russia captured Chernobyl in the first day or so, I can imagine that was one patch of land Ukraine was happy to give up
The Russians would just leave their irradiated bods there and show less than zero cares sbout what they've done.
why do you think they are eating expired rations?
Even if they are expired, they're fine to eat for a couple of years - its all vacuum packed boil in the bag stuff. essentially same as campers and the suchlike buy in Millets at a fiver a pouch.
anyhow, they've only been in the field for 4 weeks and the first couple of weeks supply lines were fine a so i wouldn't worry much about that.
another little known fact - we were heading out at the end of august and had to "acquire" rations because the army didn't have enough to go round. we got ours because we were off doing some weirdy stuff but normal bods' bits got cancelled because they couldn't be fed.... total cluster.
another common occurence is to get saddled for ages with one menu - i once spent 6 weeks eating the same 3 meals every day.
living conditions are crappybut it all boils down to personal hygiene - keep yourself clean, it doesn't really matter if you're living in a pig sty.
the mantra goes my weapon, my kit, myself.
looks like these lads are a bunch of lizards though.......The camera down the willy isn't anything like as bad as it sounds.
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this, completely.thegreatdivide said:The Russians have also left a series of what looks to be atrocities against the civilian population in Bucha. I won’t share the video of the streets or of the photo taken by a wall mentioned in this report. It’s circulating on Twitter if you need to see it. They’re scum. Doesn’t matter if you’re a sh1tty little Russian conscript crying for your mother or a professional soldier, you’re scum.
https://amp.lbc.co.uk/news/russian-troops-accused-slaughtering-civilians-withdraw-bucha/.The camera down the willy isn't anything like as bad as it sounds.
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MattFalle said:
this, completely.thegreatdivide said:The Russians have also left a series of what looks to be atrocities against the civilian population in Bucha. I won’t share the video of the streets or of the photo taken by a wall mentioned in this report. It’s circulating on Twitter if you need to see it. They’re scum. Doesn’t matter if you’re a sh1tty little Russian conscript crying for your mother or a professional soldier, you’re scum.
https://amp.lbc.co.uk/news/russian-troops-accused-slaughtering-civilians-withdraw-bucha/
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The Nazis machine gunned a load of bods in our town square in Italy - bullet holes still in the walls..
The camera down the willy isn't anything like as bad as it sounds.
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Definitely moving in the right direction for now.
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They ought to push on and liberate Belarus0
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Does sounds like bullshit. The original Chernobyl workers and fire crew were exposed to extremely high levels of radiation and took weeks to months to die.MattFalle said:Seems this fella didn't get the memo either
https://uk.yahoo.com/news/russian-soldier-dies-radiation-poisoning-154347163.htmlBASI Nordic Ski Instructor
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Instead of awful scenes like those, I prefer looking at shots like this:ddraver said:Some more really horrible photos appearing of civilian mass graves and executions as the Ukrainians liberate towns around Kyiv.
Careful on Twitter etc.
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Theres gonna be some very busy scrap dealers at the end of all this......
The camera down the willy isn't anything like as bad as it sounds.
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tbf, with the russian economy being smashed and a shed load of their military kit being used up/exploded, this is gonna take them years to get over..
The camera down the willy isn't anything like as bad as it sounds.
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It's been at least 105 years since the Russian revolution.
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