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Always found it strange there was a big deal made when Russia captured Chernobyl in the first day or so, I can imagine that was one patch of land Ukraine was happy to give up0
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not really tbh - if anything goes wrong, no matter how small - you've the irradiated a chunk of Ukraine.Pross said:Always found it strange there was a big deal made when Russia captured Chernobyl in the first day or so, I can imagine that was one patch of land Ukraine was happy to give up
The Russians would just leave their irradiated bods there and show less than zero cares sbout what they've done..The camera down the willy isn't anything like as bad as it sounds.
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It would also be yet another war crime that they give zerofucks about having committed..
The camera down the willy isn't anything like as bad as it sounds.
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Operator Starsky has dropped some boss updates since I last put one up here. He's ace.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IUfG1HG-4XQ
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I forgot to add 'unless you are loaded and likely to donate to a political partyTheBigBean said:
Profit from it too.rjsterry said:
Yes. The HO seems to also have some pretty fundamental organisational problems as they seem to lurch from one screw up to another, but the general and specific policy direction set by the last two or three Home Secretaries has been absolutely unambiguous: reduce immigration by any means.john80 said:
I love the power which you think politicians wield over the civil service. So is your claim that the politicians are going on air to say they have simplified the process and are trying to ramp up processing them. That same said politician then says to the civil service boss I want to to stall all applications as much as possible and you can only use three people to do it. If this is the case then senior civil servants really have not power and I wonder why we pay them.rjsterry said:
Because the politicians are the civil servants bosses. The former are responsible for what their staff do. They have been instructed by every Home Secretary for the last 12 years to make the process of applying for a visa as expensive, long-winded and complex as possible. Unless of course you have lots of money then you can come in no questions asked.john80 said:
It is not keeping them where they are being killed you Muppet. Russian troops routinely shelling people on evacuation routes is doing this. No one is sitting in a basement in Mariupol with no electricity, food or running water trying to fill in a UK visa application as th first step to seeking safety. So unless women and children are being murdered within Ukraine where they have been displaced to the West or surrounding counties they have fled to whilst they wait for a visa decision you are talking out of your censored .MattFalle said:
sorry?john80 said:
So now you have admitted where the visa applications ar coming from do you want to double down that women and children are dying whilst they are processed. It is a bit of a stretch. Those dying are not dying because of a visa system. They are dying because Russians keep killing them.MattFalle said:
well they ain't coming from people having prosecco parties in Whitehall. and quiz nights. and byo nights. and dancing the night before the funeral of the Monarch's husband.john80 said:
The visa applications are not coming from those sitting in a shelter getting bombed in Mariupol. The applications are coming primarily from outside Ukraine so yes the speed is embarrassingly slow however to suggest women and children are dying whilst waiting for it to be approved is stretching it a bit.MattFalle said:10% processing rate as women and children continue to die on a daily basis.
#efficiencies
they're coming from people in Ukraine and living in refugee accomodation and who have lost everything including family members so yes, John, they are coming from people who lives have been destroyed.
its not stretching it a bit.
wtaf?
the visa system thst is so rubbish it keeps them where tbey are getting killed is nothing to do with them being killed?
eh?
If you want to get critical why is it out civil service and only process so slowly. This is a common thread in UK life where we blame politicians when civil servants can't even ramp up basic admin.
From what I've read, you don't get radiation sickness from spending a few days in an area that had an accident over 30 years ago. You might increase the probability of developing cancer in your lifetime but that won't make you sick in a few days. As likely to be some other disease from living in awful conditions on poor nutrition.MattFalle said:
not really tbh - if anything goes wrong, no matter how small - you've the irradiated a chunk of Ukraine.Pross said:Always found it strange there was a big deal made when Russia captured Chernobyl in the first day or so, I can imagine that was one patch of land Ukraine was happy to give up
The Russians would just leave their irradiated bods there and show less than zero cares sbout what they've done.1985 Mercian King of Mercia - work in progress (Hah! Who am I kidding?)
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seems the Russian troops who are bring treated for radiation poisoning at the moment didn't get the memo.....rjsterry said:
I forgot to add 'unless you are loaded and likely to donate to a political partyTheBigBean said:
Profit from it too.rjsterry said:
Yes. The HO seems to also have some pretty fundamental organisational problems as they seem to lurch from one screw up to another, but the general and specific policy direction set by the last two or three Home Secretaries has been absolutely unambiguous: reduce immigration by any means.john80 said:
I love the power which you think politicians wield over the civil service. So is your claim that the politicians are going on air to say they have simplified the process and are trying to ramp up processing them. That same said politician then says to the civil service boss I want to to stall all applications as much as possible and you can only use three people to do it. If this is the case then senior civil servants really have not power and I wonder why we pay them.rjsterry said:
Because the politicians are the civil servants bosses. The former are responsible for what their staff do. They have been instructed by every Home Secretary for the last 12 years to make the process of applying for a visa as expensive, long-winded and complex as possible. Unless of course you have lots of money then you can come in no questions asked.john80 said:
It is not keeping them where they are being killed you Muppet. Russian troops routinely shelling people on evacuation routes is doing this. No one is sitting in a basement in Mariupol with no electricity, food or running water trying to fill in a UK visa application as th first step to seeking safety. So unless women and children are being murdered within Ukraine where they have been displaced to the West or surrounding counties they have fled to whilst they wait for a visa decision you are talking out of your censored .MattFalle said:
sorry?john80 said:
So now you have admitted where the visa applications ar coming from do you want to double down that women and children are dying whilst they are processed. It is a bit of a stretch. Those dying are not dying because of a visa system. They are dying because Russians keep killing them.MattFalle said:
well they ain't coming from people having prosecco parties in Whitehall. and quiz nights. and byo nights. and dancing the night before the funeral of the Monarch's husband.john80 said:
The visa applications are not coming from those sitting in a shelter getting bombed in Mariupol. The applications are coming primarily from outside Ukraine so yes the speed is embarrassingly slow however to suggest women and children are dying whilst waiting for it to be approved is stretching it a bit.MattFalle said:10% processing rate as women and children continue to die on a daily basis.
#efficiencies
they're coming from people in Ukraine and living in refugee accomodation and who have lost everything including family members so yes, John, they are coming from people who lives have been destroyed.
its not stretching it a bit.
wtaf?
the visa system thst is so rubbish it keeps them where tbey are getting killed is nothing to do with them being killed?
eh?
If you want to get critical why is it out civil service and only process so slowly. This is a common thread in UK life where we blame politicians when civil servants can't even ramp up basic admin.
From what I've read, you don't get radiation sickness from spending a few days in an area that had an accident over 30 years ago. You might increase the probability of developing cancer in your lifetime but that won't make you sick in a few days. As likely to be some other disease from living in awful conditions on poor nutrition.MattFalle said:
not really tbh - if anything goes wrong, no matter how small - you've the irradiated a chunk of Ukraine.Pross said:Always found it strange there was a big deal made when Russia captured Chernobyl in the first day or so, I can imagine that was one patch of land Ukraine was happy to give up
The Russians would just leave their irradiated bods there and show less than zero cares sbout what they've done..The camera down the willy isn't anything like as bad as it sounds.
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My CBRN man didn't get that one either..
The camera down the willy isn't anything like as bad as it sounds.
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I used to have an NBC smock back in the 80s. It had a very fashionable charcoal lining. All the rage during the Cold War.MattFalle said:My CBRN man didn't get that one either.
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keep you nice and warm but does tend to have a tendency to leave black marks on your dancing clothes.thegreatdivide said:
I used to have an NBC smock back in the 80s. It had a very fashionable charcoal lining. All the rage during the Cold War.MattFalle said:My CBRN man didn't get that one either.
Tbh, the stuff they issue now was made in the 70s so all the stuff in stores probably came from the same manufacturing batch as yours.....
,#what?allourstuffisshit?
.The camera down the willy isn't anything like as bad as it sounds.
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I'm somewhat sceptical that's what they are suffering.MattFalle said:
seems the Russian troops who are bring treated for radiation poisoning at the moment didn't get the memo.....rjsterry said:
I forgot to add 'unless you are loaded and likely to donate to a political partyTheBigBean said:
Profit from it too.rjsterry said:
Yes. The HO seems to also have some pretty fundamental organisational problems as they seem to lurch from one screw up to another, but the general and specific policy direction set by the last two or three Home Secretaries has been absolutely unambiguous: reduce immigration by any means.john80 said:
I love the power which you think politicians wield over the civil service. So is your claim that the politicians are going on air to say they have simplified the process and are trying to ramp up processing them. That same said politician then says to the civil service boss I want to to stall all applications as much as possible and you can only use three people to do it. If this is the case then senior civil servants really have not power and I wonder why we pay them.rjsterry said:
Because the politicians are the civil servants bosses. The former are responsible for what their staff do. They have been instructed by every Home Secretary for the last 12 years to make the process of applying for a visa as expensive, long-winded and complex as possible. Unless of course you have lots of money then you can come in no questions asked.john80 said:
It is not keeping them where they are being killed you Muppet. Russian troops routinely shelling people on evacuation routes is doing this. No one is sitting in a basement in Mariupol with no electricity, food or running water trying to fill in a UK visa application as th first step to seeking safety. So unless women and children are being murdered within Ukraine where they have been displaced to the West or surrounding counties they have fled to whilst they wait for a visa decision you are talking out of your censored .MattFalle said:
sorry?john80 said:
So now you have admitted where the visa applications ar coming from do you want to double down that women and children are dying whilst they are processed. It is a bit of a stretch. Those dying are not dying because of a visa system. They are dying because Russians keep killing them.MattFalle said:
well they ain't coming from people having prosecco parties in Whitehall. and quiz nights. and byo nights. and dancing the night before the funeral of the Monarch's husband.john80 said:
The visa applications are not coming from those sitting in a shelter getting bombed in Mariupol. The applications are coming primarily from outside Ukraine so yes the speed is embarrassingly slow however to suggest women and children are dying whilst waiting for it to be approved is stretching it a bit.MattFalle said:10% processing rate as women and children continue to die on a daily basis.
#efficiencies
they're coming from people in Ukraine and living in refugee accomodation and who have lost everything including family members so yes, John, they are coming from people who lives have been destroyed.
its not stretching it a bit.
wtaf?
the visa system thst is so rubbish it keeps them where tbey are getting killed is nothing to do with them being killed?
eh?
If you want to get critical why is it out civil service and only process so slowly. This is a common thread in UK life where we blame politicians when civil servants can't even ramp up basic admin.
From what I've read, you don't get radiation sickness from spending a few days in an area that had an accident over 30 years ago. You might increase the probability of developing cancer in your lifetime but that won't make you sick in a few days. As likely to be some other disease from living in awful conditions on poor nutrition.MattFalle said:
not really tbh - if anything goes wrong, no matter how small - you've the irradiated a chunk of Ukraine.Pross said:Always found it strange there was a big deal made when Russia captured Chernobyl in the first day or so, I can imagine that was one patch of land Ukraine was happy to give up
The Russians would just leave their irradiated bods there and show less than zero cares sbout what they've done.1985 Mercian King of Mercia - work in progress (Hah! Who am I kidding?)
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Spilt the poison....0
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what would be your diagnosis out of interest?rjsterry said:
I'm somewhat sceptical that's what they are suffering.MattFalle said:
seems the Russian troops who are bring treated for radiation poisoning at the moment didn't get the memo.....rjsterry said:
I forgot to add 'unless you are loaded and likely to donate to a political partyTheBigBean said:
Profit from it too.rjsterry said:
Yes. The HO seems to also have some pretty fundamental organisational problems as they seem to lurch from one screw up to another, but the general and specific policy direction set by the last two or three Home Secretaries has been absolutely unambiguous: reduce immigration by any means.john80 said:
I love the power which you think politicians wield over the civil service. So is your claim that the politicians are going on air to say they have simplified the process and are trying to ramp up processing them. That same said politician then says to the civil service boss I want to to stall all applications as much as possible and you can only use three people to do it. If this is the case then senior civil servants really have not power and I wonder why we pay them.rjsterry said:
Because the politicians are the civil servants bosses. The former are responsible for what their staff do. They have been instructed by every Home Secretary for the last 12 years to make the process of applying for a visa as expensive, long-winded and complex as possible. Unless of course you have lots of money then you can come in no questions asked.john80 said:
It is not keeping them where they are being killed you Muppet. Russian troops routinely shelling people on evacuation routes is doing this. No one is sitting in a basement in Mariupol with no electricity, food or running water trying to fill in a UK visa application as th first step to seeking safety. So unless women and children are being murdered within Ukraine where they have been displaced to the West or surrounding counties they have fled to whilst they wait for a visa decision you are talking out of your censored .MattFalle said:
sorry?john80 said:
So now you have admitted where the visa applications ar coming from do you want to double down that women and children are dying whilst they are processed. It is a bit of a stretch. Those dying are not dying because of a visa system. They are dying because Russians keep killing them.MattFalle said:
well they ain't coming from people having prosecco parties in Whitehall. and quiz nights. and byo nights. and dancing the night before the funeral of the Monarch's husband.john80 said:
The visa applications are not coming from those sitting in a shelter getting bombed in Mariupol. The applications are coming primarily from outside Ukraine so yes the speed is embarrassingly slow however to suggest women and children are dying whilst waiting for it to be approved is stretching it a bit.MattFalle said:10% processing rate as women and children continue to die on a daily basis.
#efficiencies
they're coming from people in Ukraine and living in refugee accomodation and who have lost everything including family members so yes, John, they are coming from people who lives have been destroyed.
its not stretching it a bit.
wtaf?
the visa system thst is so rubbish it keeps them where tbey are getting killed is nothing to do with them being killed?
eh?
If you want to get critical why is it out civil service and only process so slowly. This is a common thread in UK life where we blame politicians when civil servants can't even ramp up basic admin.
From what I've read, you don't get radiation sickness from spending a few days in an area that had an accident over 30 years ago. You might increase the probability of developing cancer in your lifetime but that won't make you sick in a few days. As likely to be some other disease from living in awful conditions on poor nutrition.MattFalle said:
not really tbh - if anything goes wrong, no matter how small - you've the irradiated a chunk of Ukraine.Pross said:Always found it strange there was a big deal made when Russia captured Chernobyl in the first day or so, I can imagine that was one patch of land Ukraine was happy to give up
The Russians would just leave their irradiated bods there and show less than zero cares sbout what they've done..The camera down the willy isn't anything like as bad as it sounds.
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Ukraine denying they hit the oil refinery in Russia.
Maybe some Russians got lost.1 -
maybe someone else is tinkering.....kingstongraham said:Ukraine denying they hit the oil refinery in Russia.
Maybe some Russians got lost..The camera down the willy isn't anything like as bad as it sounds.
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tbh though, the Russisns are coming across as so useless this wouldn't really surprise.kingstongraham said:Ukraine denying they hit the oil refinery in Russia.
Maybe some Russians got lost.
it could also account for the lack of air defence intersction - they see their own dudes arriving, they don't expect to be exploded by them......The camera down the willy isn't anything like as bad as it sounds.
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MattFalle said:
tbh though, the Russisns are coming across as so useless this wouldn't really surprise.kingstongraham said:Ukraine denying they hit the oil refinery in Russia.
Maybe some Russians got lost.
it could also account for the lack of air defence intersction - they see their own dudes arriving, they don't expect to be exploded by them.....
Now that would be genuinely funny.0 -
Worrying if you are right.rjsterry said:
I'm somewhat sceptical that's what they are suffering.MattFalle said:
seems the Russian troops who are bring treated for radiation poisoning at the moment didn't get the memo.....rjsterry said:
I forgot to add 'unless you are loaded and likely to donate to a political partyTheBigBean said:
Profit from it too.rjsterry said:
Yes. The HO seems to also have some pretty fundamental organisational problems as they seem to lurch from one screw up to another, but the general and specific policy direction set by the last two or three Home Secretaries has been absolutely unambiguous: reduce immigration by any means.john80 said:
I love the power which you think politicians wield over the civil service. So is your claim that the politicians are going on air to say they have simplified the process and are trying to ramp up processing them. That same said politician then says to the civil service boss I want to to stall all applications as much as possible and you can only use three people to do it. If this is the case then senior civil servants really have not power and I wonder why we pay them.rjsterry said:
Because the politicians are the civil servants bosses. The former are responsible for what their staff do. They have been instructed by every Home Secretary for the last 12 years to make the process of applying for a visa as expensive, long-winded and complex as possible. Unless of course you have lots of money then you can come in no questions asked.john80 said:
It is not keeping them where they are being killed you Muppet. Russian troops routinely shelling people on evacuation routes is doing this. No one is sitting in a basement in Mariupol with no electricity, food or running water trying to fill in a UK visa application as th first step to seeking safety. So unless women and children are being murdered within Ukraine where they have been displaced to the West or surrounding counties they have fled to whilst they wait for a visa decision you are talking out of your censored .MattFalle said:
sorry?john80 said:
So now you have admitted where the visa applications ar coming from do you want to double down that women and children are dying whilst they are processed. It is a bit of a stretch. Those dying are not dying because of a visa system. They are dying because Russians keep killing them.MattFalle said:
well they ain't coming from people having prosecco parties in Whitehall. and quiz nights. and byo nights. and dancing the night before the funeral of the Monarch's husband.john80 said:
The visa applications are not coming from those sitting in a shelter getting bombed in Mariupol. The applications are coming primarily from outside Ukraine so yes the speed is embarrassingly slow however to suggest women and children are dying whilst waiting for it to be approved is stretching it a bit.MattFalle said:10% processing rate as women and children continue to die on a daily basis.
#efficiencies
they're coming from people in Ukraine and living in refugee accomodation and who have lost everything including family members so yes, John, they are coming from people who lives have been destroyed.
its not stretching it a bit.
wtaf?
the visa system thst is so rubbish it keeps them where tbey are getting killed is nothing to do with them being killed?
eh?
If you want to get critical why is it out civil service and only process so slowly. This is a common thread in UK life where we blame politicians when civil servants can't even ramp up basic admin.
From what I've read, you don't get radiation sickness from spending a few days in an area that had an accident over 30 years ago. You might increase the probability of developing cancer in your lifetime but that won't make you sick in a few days. As likely to be some other disease from living in awful conditions on poor nutrition.MattFalle said:
not really tbh - if anything goes wrong, no matter how small - you've the irradiated a chunk of Ukraine.Pross said:Always found it strange there was a big deal made when Russia captured Chernobyl in the first day or so, I can imagine that was one patch of land Ukraine was happy to give up
The Russians would just leave their irradiated bods there and show less than zero cares sbout what they've done.
Look, they've been there a while without dosimeters. I think it is plausible that some of them have camped on a hot spot to be honest.0 -
We do not know what radiation levels are like around Chernobyl, therefore we can't presume that exposure wasn't/isn't possible.
Although, I did watch the engineering documentary on the decommissioning project and few (if any) wore much protection.seanoconn - gruagach craic!0 -
I can't believe even Russian pilots would fly 180deg in the wrong direction. Although there is cockpit footage of a Su-25 flying in Syria, with a Garmin sat nav gaffer-taped to the instrument panel, so it wouldn't be a complete surprise..MattFalle said:
tbh though, the Russisns are coming across as so useless this wouldn't really surprise.kingstongraham said:Ukraine denying they hit the oil refinery in Russia.
Maybe some Russians got lost.
it could also account for the lack of air defence intersction - they see their own dudes arriving, they don't expect to be exploded by them.....0 -
It's quite localised. I think.pinno said:We do not know what radiation levels are like around Chernobyl, therefore we can't presume that exposure wasn't/isn't possible.
Although, I did watch the engineering documentary on the decommissioning project and few (if any) wore much protection.0 -
The forest they were digging into is apparently the worst spot outside the failed reactorFirst.Aspect said:
It's quite localised. I think.pinno said:We do not know what radiation levels are like around Chernobyl, therefore we can't presume that exposure wasn't/isn't possible.
Although, I did watch the engineering documentary on the decommissioning project and few (if any) wore much protection.0 -
So, pockets of higher radiation?First.Aspect said:
It's quite localised. I think.pinno said:We do not know what radiation levels are like around Chernobyl, therefore we can't presume that exposure wasn't/isn't possible.
Although, I did watch the engineering documentary on the decommissioning project and few (if any) wore much protection.
You say 'you think' - been on hols with your Geiger counter?seanoconn - gruagach craic!0 -
No. YouTube.pinno said:
So, pockets of higher radiation?First.Aspect said:
It's quite localised. I think.pinno said:We do not know what radiation levels are like around Chernobyl, therefore we can't presume that exposure wasn't/isn't possible.
Although, I did watch the engineering documentary on the decommissioning project and few (if any) wore much protection.
You say 'you think' - been on hols with your Geiger counter?0 -
No real idea but if they are living in trenches eating expired rations then could be all sorts. From what I read radiation sickness is caused by direct exposure to high energy radiation and that is only usually found during or immediately after something like the Chernobyl accident. Apparently the stuff that emits higher energy radiation has a shorter half life so by now, 30 years later, it's all relatively low level that will cause longer term harm if exposed for long periods or ingested, but not radiation sickness. Inhaling radioactive dust from digging trenches certainly wouldn't do you any good, but I think it should take longer to have an effect. Anyway, that's what I read in a couple of different places.MattFalle said:
what would be your diagnosis out of interest?rjsterry said:
I'm somewhat sceptical that's what they are suffering.MattFalle said:
seems the Russian troops who are bring treated for radiation poisoning at the moment didn't get the memo.....rjsterry said:
I forgot to add 'unless you are loaded and likely to donate to a political partyTheBigBean said:
Profit from it too.rjsterry said:
Yes. The HO seems to also have some pretty fundamental organisational problems as they seem to lurch from one screw up to another, but the general and specific policy direction set by the last two or three Home Secretaries has been absolutely unambiguous: reduce immigration by any means.john80 said:
I love the power which you think politicians wield over the civil service. So is your claim that the politicians are going on air to say they have simplified the process and are trying to ramp up processing them. That same said politician then says to the civil service boss I want to to stall all applications as much as possible and you can only use three people to do it. If this is the case then senior civil servants really have not power and I wonder why we pay them.rjsterry said:
Because the politicians are the civil servants bosses. The former are responsible for what their staff do. They have been instructed by every Home Secretary for the last 12 years to make the process of applying for a visa as expensive, long-winded and complex as possible. Unless of course you have lots of money then you can come in no questions asked.john80 said:
It is not keeping them where they are being killed you Muppet. Russian troops routinely shelling people on evacuation routes is doing this. No one is sitting in a basement in Mariupol with no electricity, food or running water trying to fill in a UK visa application as th first step to seeking safety. So unless women and children are being murdered within Ukraine where they have been displaced to the West or surrounding counties they have fled to whilst they wait for a visa decision you are talking out of your censored .MattFalle said:
sorry?john80 said:
So now you have admitted where the visa applications ar coming from do you want to double down that women and children are dying whilst they are processed. It is a bit of a stretch. Those dying are not dying because of a visa system. They are dying because Russians keep killing them.MattFalle said:
well they ain't coming from people having prosecco parties in Whitehall. and quiz nights. and byo nights. and dancing the night before the funeral of the Monarch's husband.john80 said:
The visa applications are not coming from those sitting in a shelter getting bombed in Mariupol. The applications are coming primarily from outside Ukraine so yes the speed is embarrassingly slow however to suggest women and children are dying whilst waiting for it to be approved is stretching it a bit.MattFalle said:10% processing rate as women and children continue to die on a daily basis.
#efficiencies
they're coming from people in Ukraine and living in refugee accomodation and who have lost everything including family members so yes, John, they are coming from people who lives have been destroyed.
its not stretching it a bit.
wtaf?
the visa system thst is so rubbish it keeps them where tbey are getting killed is nothing to do with them being killed?
eh?
If you want to get critical why is it out civil service and only process so slowly. This is a common thread in UK life where we blame politicians when civil servants can't even ramp up basic admin.
From what I've read, you don't get radiation sickness from spending a few days in an area that had an accident over 30 years ago. You might increase the probability of developing cancer in your lifetime but that won't make you sick in a few days. As likely to be some other disease from living in awful conditions on poor nutrition.MattFalle said:
not really tbh - if anything goes wrong, no matter how small - you've the irradiated a chunk of Ukraine.Pross said:Always found it strange there was a big deal made when Russia captured Chernobyl in the first day or so, I can imagine that was one patch of land Ukraine was happy to give up
The Russians would just leave their irradiated bods there and show less than zero cares sbout what they've done.1985 Mercian King of Mercia - work in progress (Hah! Who am I kidding?)
Pinnacle Monzonite
Part of the anti-growth coalition0 -
rjsterry said:
No real idea but if they are living in trenches eating expired rations then could be all sorts. From what I read radiation sickness is caused by direct exposure to high energy radiation and that is only usually found immediately after something like the Chernobyl accident. Apparently the stuff that emits higher energy radiation has a shorter half life so by now, 30 years later, it's all relatively low level that will cause longer term harm if exposed for long periods or ingested, but not radiation sickness. Anyway, that's what I read in a couple of different places.MattFalle said:
what would be your diagnosis out of interest?rjsterry said:
I'm somewhat sceptical that's what they are suffering.MattFalle said:
seems the Russian troops who are bring treated for radiation poisoning at the moment didn't get the memo.....rjsterry said:
I forgot to add 'unless you are loaded and likely to donate to a political partyTheBigBean said:
Profit from it too.rjsterry said:
Yes. The HO seems to also have some pretty fundamental organisational problems as they seem to lurch from one screw up to another, but the general and specific policy direction set by the last two or three Home Secretaries has been absolutely unambiguous: reduce immigration by any means.john80 said:
I love the power which you think politicians wield over the civil service. So is your claim that the politicians are going on air to say they have simplified the process and are trying to ramp up processing them. That same said politician then says to the civil service boss I want to to stall all applications as much as possible and you can only use three people to do it. If this is the case then senior civil servants really have not power and I wonder why we pay them.rjsterry said:
Because the politicians are the civil servants bosses. The former are responsible for what their staff do. They have been instructed by every Home Secretary for the last 12 years to make the process of applying for a visa as expensive, long-winded and complex as possible. Unless of course you have lots of money then you can come in no questions asked.john80 said:
It is not keeping them where they are being killed you Muppet. Russian troops routinely shelling people on evacuation routes is doing this. No one is sitting in a basement in Mariupol with no electricity, food or running water trying to fill in a UK visa application as th first step to seeking safety. So unless women and children are being murdered within Ukraine where they have been displaced to the West or surrounding counties they have fled to whilst they wait for a visa decision you are talking out of your censored .MattFalle said:
sorry?john80 said:
So now you have admitted where the visa applications ar coming from do you want to double down that women and children are dying whilst they are processed. It is a bit of a stretch. Those dying are not dying because of a visa system. They are dying because Russians keep killing them.MattFalle said:
well they ain't coming from people having prosecco parties in Whitehall. and quiz nights. and byo nights. and dancing the night before the funeral of the Monarch's husband.john80 said:
The visa applications are not coming from those sitting in a shelter getting bombed in Mariupol. The applications are coming primarily from outside Ukraine so yes the speed is embarrassingly slow however to suggest women and children are dying whilst waiting for it to be approved is stretching it a bit.MattFalle said:10% processing rate as women and children continue to die on a daily basis.
#efficiencies
they're coming from people in Ukraine and living in refugee accomodation and who have lost everything including family members so yes, John, they are coming from people who lives have been destroyed.
its not stretching it a bit.
wtaf?
the visa system thst is so rubbish it keeps them where tbey are getting killed is nothing to do with them being killed?
eh?
If you want to get critical why is it out civil service and only process so slowly. This is a common thread in UK life where we blame politicians when civil servants can't even ramp up basic admin.
From what I've read, you don't get radiation sickness from spending a few days in an area that had an accident over 30 years ago. You might increase the probability of developing cancer in your lifetime but that won't make you sick in a few days. As likely to be some other disease from living in awful conditions on poor nutrition.MattFalle said:
not really tbh - if anything goes wrong, no matter how small - you've the irradiated a chunk of Ukraine.Pross said:Always found it strange there was a big deal made when Russia captured Chernobyl in the first day or so, I can imagine that was one patch of land Ukraine was happy to give up
The Russians would just leave their irradiated bods there and show less than zero cares sbout what they've done.
Doing some reading, is mostly Ce137, which is a gamma emitter and also (I think) a neutron emitter. 30 year half life.rjsterry said:
No real idea but if they are living in trenches eating expired rations then could be all sorts. From what I read radiation sickness is caused by direct exposure to high energy radiation and that is only usually found immediately after something like the Chernobyl accident. Apparently the stuff that emits higher energy radiation has a shorter half life so by now, 30 years later, it's all relatively low level that will cause longer term harm if exposed for long periods or ingested, but not radiation sickness. Anyway, that's what I read in a couple of different places.MattFalle said:
what would be your diagnosis out of interest?rjsterry said:
I'm somewhat sceptical that's what they are suffering.MattFalle said:
seems the Russian troops who are bring treated for radiation poisoning at the moment didn't get the memo.....rjsterry said:
I forgot to add 'unless you are loaded and likely to donate to a political partyTheBigBean said:
Profit from it too.rjsterry said:
Yes. The HO seems to also have some pretty fundamental organisational problems as they seem to lurch from one screw up to another, but the general and specific policy direction set by the last two or three Home Secretaries has been absolutely unambiguous: reduce immigration by any means.john80 said:
I love the power which you think politicians wield over the civil service. So is your claim that the politicians are going on air to say they have simplified the process and are trying to ramp up processing them. That same said politician then says to the civil service boss I want to to stall all applications as much as possible and you can only use three people to do it. If this is the case then senior civil servants really have not power and I wonder why we pay them.rjsterry said:
Because the politicians are the civil servants bosses. The former are responsible for what their staff do. They have been instructed by every Home Secretary for the last 12 years to make the process of applying for a visa as expensive, long-winded and complex as possible. Unless of course you have lots of money then you can come in no questions asked.john80 said:
It is not keeping them where they are being killed you Muppet. Russian troops routinely shelling people on evacuation routes is doing this. No one is sitting in a basement in Mariupol with no electricity, food or running water trying to fill in a UK visa application as th first step to seeking safety. So unless women and children are being murdered within Ukraine where they have been displaced to the West or surrounding counties they have fled to whilst they wait for a visa decision you are talking out of your censored .MattFalle said:
sorry?john80 said:
So now you have admitted where the visa applications ar coming from do you want to double down that women and children are dying whilst they are processed. It is a bit of a stretch. Those dying are not dying because of a visa system. They are dying because Russians keep killing them.MattFalle said:
well they ain't coming from people having prosecco parties in Whitehall. and quiz nights. and byo nights. and dancing the night before the funeral of the Monarch's husband.john80 said:
The visa applications are not coming from those sitting in a shelter getting bombed in Mariupol. The applications are coming primarily from outside Ukraine so yes the speed is embarrassingly slow however to suggest women and children are dying whilst waiting for it to be approved is stretching it a bit.MattFalle said:10% processing rate as women and children continue to die on a daily basis.
#efficiencies
they're coming from people in Ukraine and living in refugee accomodation and who have lost everything including family members so yes, John, they are coming from people who lives have been destroyed.
its not stretching it a bit.
wtaf?
the visa system thst is so rubbish it keeps them where tbey are getting killed is nothing to do with them being killed?
eh?
If you want to get critical why is it out civil service and only process so slowly. This is a common thread in UK life where we blame politicians when civil servants can't even ramp up basic admin.
From what I've read, you don't get radiation sickness from spending a few days in an area that had an accident over 30 years ago. You might increase the probability of developing cancer in your lifetime but that won't make you sick in a few days. As likely to be some other disease from living in awful conditions on poor nutrition.MattFalle said:
not really tbh - if anything goes wrong, no matter how small - you've the irradiated a chunk of Ukraine.Pross said:Always found it strange there was a big deal made when Russia captured Chernobyl in the first day or so, I can imagine that was one patch of land Ukraine was happy to give up
The Russians would just leave their irradiated bods there and show less than zero cares sbout what they've done.0 -
It sounds a bit unlikely, I know it's a heavily contaminated area but it's also apparently stacked full of wildlife such as wild boar - you'd think they might not flourish if humans are getting radiation sickness in a few weeks.[Castle Donington Ladies FC - going up in '22]0
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Thry've been in thr field for
deeper you dig, radiation levels go up ibelieve because its all soaked into the ground.rjsterry said:
No real idea but if they are living in trenches eating expired rations then could be all sorts. From what I read radiation sickness is caused by direct exposure to high energy radiation and that is only usually found during or immediately after something like the Chernobyl accident. Apparently the stuff that emits higher energy radiation has a shorter half life so by now, 30 years later, it's all relatively low level that will cause longer term harm if exposed for long periods or ingested, but not radiation sickness. Inhaling radioactive dust from digging trenches certainly wouldn't do you any good, but I think it should take longer to have an effect. Anyway, that's what I read in a couple of different places.MattFalle said:
what would be your diagnosis out of interest?rjsterry said:
I'm somewhat sceptical that's what they are suffering.MattFalle said:
seems the Russian troops who are bring treated for radiation poisoning at the moment didn't get the memo.....rjsterry said:
I forgot to add 'unless you are loaded and likely to donate to a political partyTheBigBean said:
Profit from it too.rjsterry said:
Yes. The HO seems to also have some pretty fundamental organisational problems as they seem to lurch from one screw up to another, but the general and specific policy direction set by the last two or three Home Secretaries has been absolutely unambiguous: reduce immigration by any means.john80 said:
I love the power which you think politicians wield over the civil service. So is your claim that the politicians are going on air to say they have simplified the process and are trying to ramp up processing them. That same said politician then says to the civil service boss I want to to stall all applications as much as possible and you can only use three people to do it. If this is the case then senior civil servants really have not power and I wonder why we pay them.rjsterry said:
Because the politicians are the civil servants bosses. The former are responsible for what their staff do. They have been instructed by every Home Secretary for the last 12 years to make the process of applying for a visa as expensive, long-winded and complex as possible. Unless of course you have lots of money then you can come in no questions asked.john80 said:
It is not keeping them where they are being killed you Muppet. Russian troops routinely shelling people on evacuation routes is doing this. No one is sitting in a basement in Mariupol with no electricity, food or running water trying to fill in a UK visa application as th first step to seeking safety. So unless women and children are being murdered within Ukraine where they have been displaced to the West or surrounding counties they have fled to whilst they wait for a visa decision you are talking out of your censored .MattFalle said:
sorry?john80 said:
So now you have admitted where the visa applications ar coming from do you want to double down that women and children are dying whilst they are processed. It is a bit of a stretch. Those dying are not dying because of a visa system. They are dying because Russians keep killing them.MattFalle said:
well they ain't coming from people having prosecco parties in Whitehall. and quiz nights. and byo nights. and dancing the night before the funeral of the Monarch's husband.john80 said:
The visa applications are not coming from those sitting in a shelter getting bombed in Mariupol. The applications are coming primarily from outside Ukraine so yes the speed is embarrassingly slow however to suggest women and children are dying whilst waiting for it to be approved is stretching it a bit.MattFalle said:10% processing rate as women and children continue to die on a daily basis.
#efficiencies
they're coming from people in Ukraine and living in refugee accomodation and who have lost everything including family members so yes, John, they are coming from people who lives have been destroyed.
its not stretching it a bit.
wtaf?
the visa system thst is so rubbish it keeps them where tbey are getting killed is nothing to do with them being killed?
eh?
If you want to get critical why is it out civil service and only process so slowly. This is a common thread in UK life where we blame politicians when civil servants can't even ramp up basic admin.
From what I've read, you don't get radiation sickness from spending a few days in an area that had an accident over 30 years ago. You might increase the probability of developing cancer in your lifetime but that won't make you sick in a few days. As likely to be some other disease from living in awful conditions on poor nutrition.MattFalle said:
not really tbh - if anything goes wrong, no matter how small - you've the irradiated a chunk of Ukraine.Pross said:Always found it strange there was a big deal made when Russia captured Chernobyl in the first day or so, I can imagine that was one patch of land Ukraine was happy to give up
The Russians would just leave their irradiated bods there and show less than zero cares sbout what they've done.
why do you think they are eating expired rations?
Even if they are expired, they're fine to eat for a couple of years - its all vacuum packed boil in the bag stuff. essentially same as campers and the suchlike buy in Millets at a fiver a pouch.
anyhow, they've only been in the field for 4 weeks and the first couple of weeks supply lines were fine a so i wouldn't worry much about that..The camera down the willy isn't anything like as bad as it sounds.
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Putin bathes in blood from deer antlers allegedly. suppose its an alternative to Radox Muscle Relax.
https://uk.yahoo.com/news/vladimir-putin-visited-cancer-doctor-124916378.html.The camera down the willy isn't anything like as bad as it sounds.
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Seems this fella didn't get the memo either
https://uk.yahoo.com/news/russian-soldier-dies-radiation-poisoning-154347163.html.The camera down the willy isn't anything like as bad as it sounds.
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Exactly my thoughts.Dorset_Boy said:
Pretty exceptional from the pilot if he landed that without any of the crew dying?thegreatdivide said:0
