Nairo can't roll and is massively over rated, discuss..

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  • above_the_cows
    above_the_cows Posts: 11,406
    Pinno wrote:
    Not meaning to sound pedantic but I don't see a road up that thing.

    I think it's on the other side. I've been to the snow line on a road.
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  • bobmcstuff
    bobmcstuff Posts: 11,398
    I spent a week there looking at rocks. Cool scenery but a bit samey.
  • pinno
    pinno Posts: 52,090
    bobmcstuff wrote:
    I spent a week there looking at rocks. Cool scenery but a bit samey.

    What yer sayin'? Nairo got bored with the view and watched TV all day?
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  • No_Ta_Doctor
    No_Ta_Doctor Posts: 14,535
    Pinno wrote:
    bobmcstuff wrote:
    I spent a week there looking at rocks. Cool scenery but a bit samey.

    What yer sayin'? Nairo got bored with the view and watched TV all day?

    Apparently Nairo may be able to roll, but he don't rock.
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  • pinno
    pinno Posts: 52,090
    No tA Doctor wrote:
    Pinno wrote:
    bobmcstuff wrote:
    I spent a week there looking at rocks. Cool scenery but a bit samey.

    What yer sayin'? Nairo got bored with the view and watched TV all day?

    Apparently Nairo may be able to roll, but he don't rock.

    It took me 30 seconds but I got there.
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  • salsiccia1
    salsiccia1 Posts: 3,725
    Just thought I'd bump this one...
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  • TheBigBean
    TheBigBean Posts: 21,534
    Salsiccia1 wrote:
    Just thought I'd bump this one...

    It's up there there with the Sagan is overrated, Cavendish is finished etc. threads.
  • type:epyt
    type:epyt Posts: 766
    Taking 25 seconds when he was expected to win on this type of climb is possibly a bit premature in calling it a full resurrection just yet ...
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  • above_the_cows
    above_the_cows Posts: 11,406
    type:epyt wrote:
    Taking 25 seconds when he was expected to win on this type of climb is possibly a bit premature in calling it a full resurrection just yet ...

    Trial period resurrection?*





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  • type:epyt
    type:epyt Posts: 766
    Semisurrection?
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  • pinno
    pinno Posts: 52,090
    type:epyt wrote:
    Semisurrection?

    Is that half a Viagra?
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  • hanshotfirst
    hanshotfirst Posts: 397
    type:epyt wrote:
    Semisurrection?

    Faaaaaar too much innuendo here.
  • FocusZing
    FocusZing Posts: 4,373
    He looks like a climber, none of your six footer rubbish. It does seem a bit unfair that vertically challenged people can't make the use of a lighter bike.
  • hypster
    hypster Posts: 1,229
    I can't understand why a flyweight climber like Quintana leaves it so late to attack. He basically waited for Contador to go and marked him and then faffed for a while before deciding to give it full beans in the last few k. He only got 25 seconds on Froome on the road but could have got more had he gone earlier while Froome was pacing himself.

    Still, stages 14 & 15 next weekend will really sort things out one way or another I think and hopefully Froome is just working his way into this one and maybe we'll get a real ding-dong battle then. After all, Quintana will need at least a minute in hand I think with the TT on stage 19.
  • pinno
    pinno Posts: 52,090
    hypster wrote:
    He only got 25 seconds on Froome on the road but could have got more had he gone earlier while Froome was pacing himself.

    Maybe that's what he knew he could do based on what was left in the tank. In the back of anyone's mind must be the thought that they need to sustain the attack and not blow up, else it would be in vain. Could he really make a judgement on Froome considering how good Froome can be uphill and how fast he can tap out a rhythm?

    We're armchair critics. It's been 11 tough stages already with many tough stages to go and we're sat here saying "Oh he can climb, why doesn't he just go off and attack it it right now" without any real conception of how that individual is feeling or what the physical cumulative effects are.

    Psychologically, Quintana is now in the position where the GC contenders will have to chase/attack him and that's as important as any time gap.
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  • kingstongraham
    kingstongraham Posts: 27,760
    Pinno wrote:
    hypster wrote:
    He only got 25 seconds on Froome on the road but could have got more had he gone earlier while Froome was pacing himself.

    Maybe that's what he knew he could do based on what was left in the tank. In the back of anyone's mind must be the thought that they need to sustain the attack and not blow up, else it would be in vain. Could he really make a judgement on Froome considering how good Froome can be uphill and how fast he can tap out a rhythm?

    We're armchair critics. It's been 11 tough stages already with many tough stages to go and we're sat here saying "Oh he can climb, why doesn't he just go off and attack it it right now" without any real conception of how that individual is feeling or what the physical cumulative effects are.

    Psychologically, Quintana is now in the position where the GC contenders will have to chase/attack him and that's as important as any time gap.

    I think he still needs a bit more as there is a 37km time trial.

    Froome was closing the gap towards the top yesterday, so it looked like they were both on the limit, and Quintana judged it well. He might even have been better leaving Contador to go on his own for a bit and sitting behind teammates for another km. No way of knowing really, but either way, it was impressive riding from both of them.
  • pinno
    pinno Posts: 52,090
    KingstonGraham wrote:
    Pinno wrote:
    hypster wrote:
    He...himself.

    Maybe...gap.

    I think he still needs a bit more as there is a 37km time trial.

    I agree. I expect that Quintana is fully aware of that.

    There's a long way to go before stage 19. Quintana has now gauged Froome, Chavez and Contador by his efforts yesterday.
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  • hypster
    hypster Posts: 1,229
    I think the shorter, steeper climbs have suited Quintana over Froome thus far and just maybe the two big stages at the weekend might suit Froome's (and Sky's) "slowly ramping up the pace" style a bit better. I wonder if there's any doubt about Quintana's stamina as well because Saturday's stage is a real tongue-dragger.
  • joelsim
    joelsim Posts: 7,552
    The only thing we definitely know is that Contador is no longer one of the best riders. But I guess we knew that already.
  • blazing_saddles
    blazing_saddles Posts: 22,704
    Joelsim wrote:
    The only thing we definitely know is that Contador is no longer one of the best riders. But I guess we knew that already.

    Hard to tell.
    I think he's just been over eager to make something happen, after the TTT and stage 3 debacle.
    The crash hasn't helped.
    You would think he'd be able to read body signals better though, given how often he's putting himself into the red these days.
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  • joelsim
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    Blazing Saddles wrote:
    Joelsim wrote:
    The only thing we definitely know is that Contador is no longer one of the best riders. But I guess we knew that already.

    Hard to tell.
    I think he's just been over eager to make something happen, after the TTT and stage 3 debacle.
    The crash hasn't helped.
    You would think he'd be able to read body signals better though, given how often he's putting himself into the red these days.

    That's the thing, he pops every time when up against the best. He's still a match for Aru and the other second tier riders.
  • larkim
    larkim Posts: 2,485
    What struck me yesterday was that Quintana was effectively beaten up the top section of the climb as the gap that he had at half way was greater than the gap he held over Froome at the end (I think he had about 45s over Froome at one point, and that became 25s by the line). To me that suggests he was fading (relative to Froome) in an environment where he should have been extending his margin. That's not to diminish the ride or the rider, but adds a little context.
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  • hypster
    hypster Posts: 1,229
    larkim wrote:
    What struck me yesterday was that Quintana was effectively beaten up the top section of the climb as the gap that he had at half way was greater than the gap he held over Froome at the end (I think he had about 45s over Froome at one point, and that became 25s by the line). To me that suggests he was fading (relative to Froome) in an environment where he should have been extending his margin. That's not to diminish the ride or the rider, but adds a little context.

    I agree. That's why I was suggesting that maybe the longer, less steep climbs to come might favour Froome more than Quintana. Hopefully that might well be the case and make more of a race of it. If Froome does claw back time and smash him in the TT then I suppose he'll be accused of being boring!
  • joelsim
    joelsim Posts: 7,552
    Yesterday could have been another masterstroke by Froome. No one has any idea how he's feeling, when he's going to attack, when he's struggling, what his form is like...

    What does Quintana do now. Attack tomorrow to try to gain a few more seconds? He has no idea if he will overcook himself and Froome will come back and gain a healthy margin, or does he wait until the last couple of kms and risk the dawg doing a trademark cadence effort and dropping him?

    Genius?
  • itboffin
    itboffin Posts: 20,064
    I stand by my earlier statements, I can't see him winning unless the rest of the main GC contenders have serious problems.
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  • pinno
    pinno Posts: 52,090
    Is it me or has Contador ended up in a crash or two in the first week of a GT that has had significant effect more often than he should have? Is this because of a lack of control by his team?
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  • Dorset_Boy
    Dorset_Boy Posts: 7,391
    Pinno wrote:
    Is it me or has Contador ended up in a crash or two in the first week of a GT that has had significant effect more often than he should have? Is this because of a lack of control by his team?

    He's put himself in poor situations - trying to eat on a 60 mph dark descent (before his miracle recovery to win the vuelta), the crashes in this year's Tour were him positioning himself badly, and the crash this week was him cutting the corner and being hit by a rider on his inside. All down to him....

    Perhaps he knows he's past it and cant rely on the preparation he was able to use pre his cheating ban, and therefore just tries too hard and that results in him making mostakes.
  • dennisn
    dennisn Posts: 10,601
    Dorset Boy wrote:
    Pinno wrote:
    Is it me or has Contador ended up in a crash or two in the first week of a GT that has had significant effect more often than he should have? Is this because of a lack of control by his team?

    Perhaps he knows he's past it .......

    "...past it..."? Hmmmm, I don't recall your name on the start list.
  • Pross
    Pross Posts: 43,159
    dennisn wrote:
    Dorset Boy wrote:
    Pinno wrote:
    Is it me or has Contador ended up in a crash or two in the first week of a GT that has had significant effect more often than he should have? Is this because of a lack of control by his team?

    Perhaps he knows he's past it .......

    "...past it..."? Hmmmm, I don't recall your name on the start list.

    So, a top pro cannot be considered to be past their best by anyone who isn't themselves a pro? If George Foreman decided to make another comeback to the boxing ring would it be acceptable for any of us mortals to suggest he should maybe reconsider as he is past his best? You really are sanctimonious aren't you? This is an Internet forum i.e. somewhere for people to express an opinion. If you have an alternative view then state it rather than do your usual trick of attacking the comment.
  • fat daddy
    fat daddy Posts: 2,605
    dennisn wrote:

    "...past it..."? Hmmmm, I don't recall your name on the start list.

    Ah crap ... Don't say that, it sets the precedent that I can't have an opinion about the ability of any sports person, or even actor or musician, because I am not a pro.

    Major ball suck !

    Sarcasm aside

    WHAT !!!!! That's a dumb arse argument :D

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