TdF 2016 Stage 12 *Contains spoilers*

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  • N0bodyOfTheGoat
    N0bodyOfTheGoat Posts: 6,034
    Is Froome in yellow then? :lol:
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  • gsk82
    gsk82 Posts: 3,570
    Given the time that mollema lost getting back on his bike, awarding the same time as him is the least they should do. However I reckon he'll get the same as the next group at best and at worst be given a time penalty on top of his lost time.

    If the result stands I'd like to see him crack on and win, then announce on the podium that he's never coming back.
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  • blazing_saddles
    blazing_saddles Posts: 22,706
    Same time as Mollema according to Sporza who are still live.......I think.
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  • above_the_cows
    above_the_cows Posts: 11,406
    Sorry, what is Froome in yellow? :P
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  • Blancmange
    Blancmange Posts: 103
    Froome just tweeted he's still in yellow jersey:
    https://mobile.twitter.com/chrisfroome
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  • crescent
    crescent Posts: 1,201
    Has anyone blamed Wiggle yet?
    Chris Boardman summed it up as like something that happens in a bad dream - you're trying to go somewhere but you just can't make it happen - that's exactly what Froome looked like on his Mavic bike. A complete farce, it surely can't stand. Personally, I think it will be adjusted from 10th place onwards so the likes of Mollema and Porte are is likely to be the biggest losers after making a genuine attacking move before the incident.
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  • yourpaceormine
    yourpaceormine Posts: 1,245
    edited July 2016
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  • pottssteve
    pottssteve Posts: 4,069
    Froome in yellow. However, nobody has told whoever writes the summary for the official website:

    "Thomas De Gendt and Serge Pauwels made another 1-2 for Belgium at Mont Ventoux after Greg Van Avermaet and De Gendt did it at Le Lioran on stage 5. They fought for stage victory from a breakaway group but Chris Froome was victim of a mechanical in the finale after he and Richie Porte had dropped Nairo Quintana before the finish at Chalet-Reynard. Adam Yates moved into the overall lead ahead of Bauke Mollema."

    Mechanical my @rse
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  • haydenm
    haydenm Posts: 2,997
    They should send a Group B rally car up in front of the riders, should stir things up a bit.

    Valverde is saying "It's an accident of the race but these things happen in sport. They hit a moto and fell, but these things happen in cycling." I thought there was meant to be some sort of unwritten code in cycling where you are meant to be a gentleman about things...
  • blazing_saddles
    blazing_saddles Posts: 22,706
    edited July 2016
    Frrome 47 seconds Yates Mollema 56 Quintana 1-01 Roundly being boo'd

    It's official.

    Thank you Sporza for hanging on for the result.

    Juan Antonio Arrow will be well peed off.
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  • jscl
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  • above_the_cows
    above_the_cows Posts: 11,406
    HaydenM wrote:
    They should send a Group B rally car up in front of the riders, should stir things up a bit.

    Valverde is saying "It's an accident of the race but these things happen in sport. They hit a moto and fell, but these things happen in cycling." I thought there was meant to be some sort of unwritten code in cycling where you are meant to be a gentleman about things...

    It's Valverde. Cycling's very own Dick Dastardly.
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  • hanshotfirst
    hanshotfirst Posts: 397
    What a weird feeling. When it happened I was all with the presenters and most of you guys - "must be neutralised!"

    Now that Froome's in Yellow, I'm kinda disappointed. Would have been awesome seeing him take it back.
  • adr82
    adr82 Posts: 4,002
    edited July 2016
    Better decision than I was expecting.
  • lochindaal
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  • PeteinSQ
    PeteinSQ Posts: 2,292
    Above The Cows wrote:
    adr82 wrote:
    Prhymeate wrote:
    some footage for those who weren't able to watch... https://streamable.com/g3su
    Sounded like a fair bit of booing from some fans, while others were chanting "Quintana!" at him. Lovely stuff :roll:

    That is shocking. Why do people boo? I'd like to see any of them cycle up a mountain anywhere near as fast as any of the pro riders.

    The commentators were suitable unimpressed saying that there really needs to be a discussion about crowds on mountains.

    Also was amazing to see the lack of control the police had when Froome was getting the neutral service bike. There's no football on any longer, there's no excuse.

    I'm sure you're aware that lots and lots of cycling fans think that he's a cheat. I don't but that's the accepted orthodox position for many people unfortunately. It's Armstrong's main legacy.
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  • bobmcstuff
    bobmcstuff Posts: 11,400
    NitrousOxide wrote:
    Is Froome in yellow then? :lol:

    I dunno, I'd like a screenshot of his Twitter just to confirm please (as it is the source of ultimate truth :D )
  • RonB
    RonB Posts: 3,984
    Where did they take the time from to get those differences?
  • lochindaal
    lochindaal Posts: 475
    Ned Boulting on twitter
    "To explain: They've given Porte and Froome the same time as Mollema."
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  • emadden
    emadden Posts: 2,431
    keydon wrote:
    emadden wrote:
    UCI Rule: 1.2.109: you can cross the finish line on foot as long as you have your bike with you

    EDIT: not sure if there is a rule that states that the course must only be covered by bike... still looking


    How could there be if you can cross the line on foot?
    I think you miss the point. Otherwise, anyone could turn up to a bike race with a pair of sneakers and no bike, run the whole event and then then someone hands them a bike just before they cross the line.

    Anyway, the rules are vague (both the UCI rules and the TdF Rule... there is mention of not taking shortcuts. I guess it is so obvious they didnt feel like a rule needed to be included.
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  • bobmcstuff
    bobmcstuff Posts: 11,400
    Above The Cows wrote:
    HaydenM wrote:
    They should send a Group B rally car up in front of the riders, should stir things up a bit.

    Valverde is saying "It's an accident of the race but these things happen in sport. They hit a moto and fell, but these things happen in cycling." I thought there was meant to be some sort of unwritten code in cycling where you are meant to be a gentleman about things...

    It's Valverde. Cycling's very own Dick Dastardly.

    I'm surprised Valverde was even that charitable, to be honest!
  • Omar Little
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  • RichN95.
    RichN95. Posts: 27,241
    Emadden seems to have piped down.
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  • adr82
    adr82 Posts: 4,002
    RonB wrote:
    Where did they take the time from to get those differences?
    Must have been roughly what they were at the time of the crash while the 3 were still together, the Froome->Mollema gap hasn't changed from the start of the day.
  • fleshtuxedo
    fleshtuxedo Posts: 1,857
    So it's been done on time gaps at the time of the crash? Looks that way.
  • pottssteve
    pottssteve Posts: 4,069
    Whether you like Froome or not, it's fair. He's the one doing the attacking, he's clearly stronger than his immediate challengers, and he has shown guts and panache on several occasions so far. He deserves to be where he is, and the best rider deserves to win.
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  • darkhairedlord
    darkhairedlord Posts: 7,180
    polish out with t-cut
  • above_the_cows
    above_the_cows Posts: 11,406
    PeteinSQ wrote:
    Above The Cows wrote:
    adr82 wrote:
    Prhymeate wrote:
    some footage for those who weren't able to watch... https://streamable.com/g3su
    Sounded like a fair bit of booing from some fans, while others were chanting "Quintana!" at him. Lovely stuff :roll:

    That is shocking. Why do people boo? I'd like to see any of them cycle up a mountain anywhere near as fast as any of the pro riders.

    The commentators were suitable unimpressed saying that there really needs to be a discussion about crowds on mountains.

    Also was amazing to see the lack of control the police had when Froome was getting the neutral service bike. There's no football on any longer, there's no excuse.

    I'm sure you're aware that lots and lots of cycling fans think that he's a cheat. I don't but that's the accepted orthodox position for many people unfortunately. It's Armstrong's main legacy.

    Yes thanks I am aware of that. But they don't just boo him. They boo lots of other riders too. And they do worse than boo. I still don't understand it. If you think the sport is infected with cheats why waste your time and money to go and stand on the side of a mountain and watch a bunch of cheats? People are stupid.
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  • RichN95.
    RichN95. Posts: 27,241
    Omar Little wrote:
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    I'm surprised they got it back
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  • bobmcstuff
    bobmcstuff Posts: 11,400
    emadden wrote:
    keydon wrote:
    emadden wrote:
    UCI Rule: 1.2.109: you can cross the finish line on foot as long as you have your bike with you

    EDIT: not sure if there is a rule that states that the course must only be covered by bike... still looking


    How could there be if you can cross the line on foot?
    I think you miss the point. Otherwise, anyone could turn up to a bike race with a pair of sneakers and no bike, run the whole event and then then someone hands them a bike just before they cross the line.

    Anyway, the rules are vague (both the UCI rules and the TdF Rule... there is mention of not taking shortcuts. I guess it is so obvious they didnt feel like a rule needed to be included.
    And like all of these rules the commissaires seem to pick and choose when to apply them.

    I wouldn't have been shocked if he had been DQ'd on that basis - but it would have been even more farcical (if that's possible, this has been a pretty farcical tour so far!)

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