Donald Trump
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laurentian said:
Was this Alistair Cook's "Letter from America"? . . . he had a wonderful voicebriantrumpet said:Can anyone remember the BBC Radio 4 series by one of its senior reporters on the US, in the 1980s, I think? It was a major work, and talked about the structural complexity & conundrums of the US political system, torn between state & the union. The presenter wasn't quite of the Dimbleby stature, but close to that, if I remember correctly.
No, it was a UK-based journalist, like Robert Kee or someone of that ilk... don't think it was him, but someone who'd been around a long time. I think it was something crazy like 10 or 20 one-hour slots.1 -
Jonny Dymond?briantrumpet said:laurentian said:
Was this Alistair Cook's "Letter from America"? . . . he had a wonderful voicebriantrumpet said:Can anyone remember the BBC Radio 4 series by one of its senior reporters on the US, in the 1980s, I think? It was a major work, and talked about the structural complexity & conundrums of the US political system, torn between state & the union. The presenter wasn't quite of the Dimbleby stature, but close to that, if I remember correctly.
No, it was a UK-based journalist, like Robert Kee or someone of that ilk... don't think it was him, but someone who'd been around a long time. I think it was something crazy like 10 or 20 one-hour slots.
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briantrumpet said:laurentian said:
Was this Alistair Cook's "Letter from America"? . . . he had a wonderful voicebriantrumpet said:Can anyone remember the BBC Radio 4 series by one of its senior reporters on the US, in the 1980s, I think? It was a major work, and talked about the structural complexity & conundrums of the US political system, torn between state & the union. The presenter wasn't quite of the Dimbleby stature, but close to that, if I remember correctly.
No, it was a UK-based journalist, like Robert Kee or someone of that ilk... don't think it was him, but someone who'd been around a long time. I think it was something crazy like 10 or 20 one-hour slots.
Might well have been Charles Wheeler, who was BBC's Washington correspondent for years. I can't find a reference to the programme though.
Here's a report of his on Clinton:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8RHVAfmd-v0 0 -
Murdoch has stopped supporting Trump.0
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Yup - ages now. Election denial and 06/01 set it all off
this was last Thursday's NYT cover:
.The camera down the willy isn't anything like as bad as it sounds.
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I was working in Uni administration when Trump was elected Pres. There was a visiting Fulbright Scholar doing a 3 month residency in the dept. I worked in during that time. His distinguished lecture was on Trump and how he could not win the Presidency. The Professor's concluding line was that only old white men would vote Trump and quote "There aren't enough of them to get him elected".
I asked him the following day about the wives, friends, children etc. of those 'old white men' and how they may vote the same way and elect him. He dismissed the idea out of hand. Unsurprisingly after election day, the academic went very quiet for a while!
The good news is that these mid terms do suggest Trump is looking more unelectable than a few weeks back.
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I'd guess that if lawyers actually wrote out Trump's latest defence for having classified documents at his personal residence, they must have been giggling when they did so.
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Sleepy Joe has quietly got on with being competent and insulated a lot of voters from the worst effects of the global... whatever we're calling it...too.MattFalle said:
its a mixture of RvW, Trump losing popular appeal, change of strategy by Dems, v poor Rep candiddtes, people losing interest in election denyers, massive demographic change in voters, economic queries being overshadowed, snd do on.rick_chasey said:It's gotta be the Row v Wade repeal, surely.
Ever since that has happened they've underperformed the polls.
not so much one factor but a minestrone of issues.We're in danger of confusing passion with incompetence
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Yup - agree completely.ddraver said:
Sleepy Joe has quietly got on with being competent and insulated a lot of voters from the worst effects of the global... whatever we're calling it...too.MattFalle said:
its a mixture of RvW, Trump losing popular appeal, change of strategy by Dems, v poor Rep candiddtes, people losing interest in election denyers, massive demographic change in voters, economic queries being overshadowed, snd do on.rick_chasey said:It's gotta be the Row v Wade repeal, surely.
Ever since that has happened they've underperformed the polls.
not so much one factor but a minestrone of issues.
he's just got on with the job and plodding along: no scandals, no legal actions, supporting the right causes, strong on Putin and China, pointing out yhe Rrplunacy as and when needed, etc etc.
The Reps keep on banging on about HB but that's all they've got.
Effectively dull but bring proven right as can be seen by the mid term results.
.The camera down the willy isn't anything like as bad as it sounds.
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MattFalle said:
Yup - agree completely.ddraver said:
Sleepy Joe has quietly got on with being competent and insulated a lot of voters from the worst effects of the global... whatever we're calling it...too.MattFalle said:
its a mixture of RvW, Trump losing popular appeal, change of strategy by Dems, v poor Rep candiddtes, people losing interest in election denyers, massive demographic change in voters, economic queries being overshadowed, snd do on.rick_chasey said:It's gotta be the Row v Wade repeal, surely.
Ever since that has happened they've underperformed the polls.
not so much one factor but a minestrone of issues.
he's just got on with the job and plodding along: no scandals, no legal actions, supporting the right causes, strong on Putin and China, pointing out yhe Rrplunacy as and when needed, etc etc.
The Reps keep on banging on about HB but that's all they've got.
Effectively dull but bring proven right as can be seen by the mid term results.
I think he's also shown that his long experience at the heart of US politics has given him the skill to navigate the maze pretty well, rather better than Obama, arguably, who had lots of zeal but maybe didn't have the political nous to get everything done he might have wanted to.
If they can ride the inflation storm, in two years' time, the economic cycle might be looking rosier than now, and the next presidential election not looking too bleak, despite his age. I think it's a strength of his that he puts good people in important positions and trusts them to get on with the job.0 -
I'm not sure Biden will live long enough to see out another term.... Who else do they have? I fear the US is too divided, and its politics to sexist and racist for Karmala Harris to stand a chance.0
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First.Aspect said:
I'm not sure Biden will live long enough to see out another term.... Who else do they have? I fear the US is too divided, and its politics to sexist and racist for Karmala Harris to stand a chance.
Well, Chuck Grassley just stood again for Senate for the R's, and he's 89, and Pelosi is 82...
As much as I wouldn't want to exclude people because of age, it doesn't suggest that the system is working healthily when all the leaders are in their eighties.0 -
Well it suggests the health system is okay.briantrumpet said:First.Aspect said:I'm not sure Biden will live long enough to see out another term.... Who else do they have? I fear the US is too divided, and its politics to sexist and racist for Karmala Harris to stand a chance.
Well, Chuck Grassley just stood again for Senate for the R's, and he's 89, and Pelosi is 82...
As much as I wouldn't want to exclude people because of age, it doesn't suggest that the system is working healthily when all the leaders are in their eighties.0 -
DT as well is as old as sheep but it doesn't stop his fan base.
KH has done nothing as VP so can discounted as a potential 48 and really the Dems do not have an equiv of DeS to put forward....
it'll be intriguing to say the least.The camera down the willy isn't anything like as bad as it sounds.
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MattFalle said:
DT as well is as old as sheep but it doesn't stop his fan base.
KH has done nothing as VP so can discounted as a potential 48 and really the Dems do not have an equiv of DeS to put forward....
it'll be intriguing to say the least
I read somewhere that KH has had her hands full as she's had the casting vote in Senate since 2020... but, yes, otherwise, yes, she's been invisible.
Beto O'Rorke at one stage was touted, but he didn't even win the governorship in his state...
If De Santis does get the nomination, he gets really rattled when challenged... give him his due, Biden retains his cool, and I suspect voters like that comfort, even if he is a bit doddery at times.0 -
Who else do they have? I fear the US is too divided, and its politics to sexist and racist for Karmala Harris to stand a chance.
Polls suggest that majority of Americans do not want Biden to run again, although the noises coming from Biden and the WH seem fairly sure that he will run after the mid term results. It depends whether the results were more a rejection of Trump than an endorsement of Biden. Many within the Democratic party don't want Biden to run and obviously the last election seemed to be laying the foundations for KH to run in 2024. I agree though, her chances of winning seem slim.
If Biden does not run then possible candidates are people like Pete Buttigieg and Gavin Newsom. Gretchen Whitmer won Michigan by a solid margin and Governor's of big swing states tend to play well come election time.
Don't forget that Bernie will likely throw his hat in the ring again!0 -
MidlandsGrimpeur2 said:
Don't forget that Bernie will likely throw his hat in the ring again!
A mere 81 years, and the Corbyn of the US. He's not even a Democrat, yet somehow he gets on their ticket...0 -
Regardless of actual intentions, Biden has to pretend he's running again to avoid being a lame duck.0
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A mere 81 years, and the Corbyn of the US. He's not even a Democrat, yet somehow he gets on their ticket..
81, and yet he is a barley out of short pants compared to the age of some who run for office in the States!0 -
Josh Shapiro and especially Gretchen Whitmer had very impressive performances and won by 10%+ in states that voted for Trump in 2016. Outperformed by about as much as DeSantis.MattFalle said:DT as well is as old as sheep but it doesn't stop his fan base.
KH has done nothing as VP so can discounted as a potential 48 and really the Dems do not have an equiv of DeS to put forward....
it'll be intriguing to say the least0 -
And without the gerrymandered redistricting that favoured Desantis...kingstongraham said:
Josh Shapiro and especially Gretchen Whitmer had very impressive performances and won by 10%+ in states that voted for Trump in 2016. Outperformed by about as much as DeSantis.MattFalle said:DT as well is as old as sheep but it doesn't stop his fan base.
KH has done nothing as VP so can discounted as a potential 48 and really the Dems do not have an equiv of DeS to put forward....
it'll be intriguing to say the least0 -
I don't think you can gerrymander a statewide election.briantrumpet said:
And without the gerrymandered redistricting that favoured Desantis...kingstongraham said:
Josh Shapiro and especially Gretchen Whitmer had very impressive performances and won by 10%+ in states that voted for Trump in 2016. Outperformed by about as much as DeSantis.MattFalle said:DT as well is as old as sheep but it doesn't stop his fan base.
KH has done nothing as VP so can discounted as a potential 48 and really the Dems do not have an equiv of DeS to put forward....
it'll be intriguing to say the least
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You're correct, of course. I was thinking of the House seats.kingstongraham said:
I don't think you can gerrymander a statewide election.briantrumpet said:
And without the gerrymandered redistricting that favoured Desantis...kingstongraham said:
Josh Shapiro and especially Gretchen Whitmer had very impressive performances and won by 10%+ in states that voted for Trump in 2016. Outperformed by about as much as DeSantis.MattFalle said:DT as well is as old as sheep but it doesn't stop his fan base.
KH has done nothing as VP so can discounted as a potential 48 and really the Dems do not have an equiv of DeS to put forward....
it'll be intriguing to say the least0 -
and here we go again......
https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2022/nov/15/donald-trump-announces-presidential-run-2024-midterms-ron-desantis.The camera down the willy isn't anything like as bad as it sounds.
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Unclear if he would actually get the nomination. There is a lot of fatigue over there about the relentless gibberish. Will also be highly destructive for the Republican party for him to spend the fat end of a year slagging off the entire rest of the party.0
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In his speech he mentioned corridors of power numerous times but is completely incapable of pronouncing corridors. It reminded me of the episode of Only Fools and Horses where the singer who can't pronounce his Rs gets given a load of songs to sing with Rs in them.0
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Apologies if I'm repeating myself but my favourite sporting chant to hear while living over there was Boston Bruins fans - Number 4 Bobby Orr.Pross said:In his speech he mentioned corridors of power numerous times but is completely incapable of pronouncing corridors. It reminded me of the episode of Only Fools and Horses where the singer who can't pronounce his Rs gets given a load of songs to sing with Rs in them.
Said as Numb-ah fo-ah Bobby Oh-ah.The above may be fact, or fiction, I may be serious, I may be jesting.
I am not sure. You have no chance.Veronese68 wrote:PB is the most sensible person on here.0 -
Welease Bwian!Pross said:In his speech he mentioned corridors of power numerous times but is completely incapable of pronouncing corridors. It reminded me of the episode of Only Fools and Horses where the singer who can't pronounce his Rs gets given a load of songs to sing with Rs in them.
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Munsford0 said:
Welease Bwian!Pross said:In his speech he mentioned corridors of power numerous times but is completely incapable of pronouncing corridors. It reminded me of the episode of Only Fools and Horses where the singer who can't pronounce his Rs gets given a load of songs to sing with Rs in them.
I seem to remember some humour around Roy Jenkins having to mention the Warrington Brewery at the by-election there.
The other part of me thinks that we probably ought not to be finding speech impediments an object of humour in these more enlightened times...0 -
Pwetty much all humour offends someone.briantrumpet said:Munsford0 said:
Welease Bwian!Pross said:In his speech he mentioned corridors of power numerous times but is completely incapable of pronouncing corridors. It reminded me of the episode of Only Fools and Horses where the singer who can't pronounce his Rs gets given a load of songs to sing with Rs in them.
I seem to remember some humour around Roy Jenkins having to mention the Warrington Brewery at the by-election there.
The other part of me thinks that we probably ought not to be finding speech impediments an object of humour in these more enlightened times...
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