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There's a very good chance of that.rick_chasey said:
I think you or someone else is confusing DB scandals.yorkshireraw said:Ref DT and his loans from D Bank - isn't the theory that the money came originally from Russia, to prop him up so he could become their useful idiot, and was channelled through DB to make it legit? Or is that all hogwash?
Hopefully it will be irrelevant as he'll end up in jail for multiple financial and s3x crimes anyway.
Is it the case though that Trump cannot borrow in the US though, and had to go looking elsewhere?0 -
I mean he's presided over the destruction of his party, and the loss of the senate, but since his leader inspired an attack that included being on him personally, he's made the most he could of it I suppose.MattFalle said:
So from a political point of view he's played a blinder tbh.kingstongraham said:
Means McConnell isn't responsible for kicking him out, but can help make sure he doesn't stand again. And also disrupt Biden's first few weeks.briantrumpet said:pblakeney said:Bestest pres ever! Who else managed to get impeached twice?
Won't come to anything.
McConnell's saying he won't come back from his hols to hold the trial before 20 January, so it'll fall to the new Senate to hold it. Not sure how much of a difference that will make... maybe they want to make sure he's out of the building before deciding which way to vote.
He swapped it all for judges and tax cuts, so he's got what he wanted.0 -
I would imagine Trump has fairly complex financing arrangements for tax and other reasons.
I think the whole DB thing is just wishful thinking on part of his detractors.
The DB involvement obviously makes it sound juicy as they are pathologically attracted to scandal, but I doubt it's going to be exciting.0 -
agree completely - you are correct.yorkshireraw said:Ref DT and his loans from D Bank - isn't the theory that the money came originally from Russia, to prop him up so he could become their useful idiot, and was channelled through DB to make it legit? Or is that all hogwash?
I did read from multiple sources that he doesn't actually own most / a lot of the stuff with his name on it (hotels etc) and that its basically a branding agreement - if the brand becomes toxic there's not a lot of substance (real estate) for Trump Org to actually sell to cover the debts.
Hopefully it will be irrelevant as he'll end up in jail for multiple financial and s3x crimes anyway.
the trump branding was used in the 80s when the whole "empire" was going bankrupt and its all based on loans and inter co. leveraging.
The Apprentice money (prigrammes, appearances, image and gizzards) saved him but it all went south because he's such an imcompetent buffoon.
.The camera down the willy isn't anything like as bad as it sounds.
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Turns out the Right Wing is actually very happy to negotiate with terrorists...kingstongraham said:A lot of Republicans yesterday basically saying "yes, it's bad that Trump supporters attacked us here, but we can't hold him accountable because they might do it again".
We're in danger of confusing passion with incompetence
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For the time being I actually have some sympathy for this. Being in the public eye, they are quite easy to find at work and at home. There will have been death threats. Did they bring it upon themselves? Yes.kingstongraham said:A lot of Republicans yesterday basically saying "yes, it's bad that Trump supporters attacked us here, but we can't hold him accountable because they might do it again".
The senators are in a similar position, but they don't have to say much right now and by the time they do, there may be a better national consensus against the Trump cult.0 -
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More fun would be to guess what his next book title with be?0
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incorrect.First.Aspect said:
I'm not sure his long-term legacy will reflect this.MattFalle said:
So from a political point of view he's played a blinder tbh.kingstongraham said:
Means McConnell isn't responsible for kicking him out, but can help make sure he doesn't stand again. And also disrupt Biden's first few weeks.briantrumpet said:pblakeney said:Bestest pres ever! Who else managed to get impeached twice?
Won't come to anything.
McConnell's saying he won't come back from his hols to hold the trial before 20 January, so it'll fall to the new Senate to hold it. Not sure how much of a difference that will make... maybe they want to make sure he's out of the building before deciding which way to vote.
this will be viewed as a bit of political top work. in one foul swoop he's proted DT, the Rep paryy and jeffed up Biden's first 100.
its everything else - holding back SC nominations, all the legislation on his desk, the corruption, his wife, the support of DT, etc etc that will besmirch his legacy.
He's a total lizard, yes, undoubtedly, but he's succesfully infuriated and run circles around tbe Dems for years..The camera down the willy isn't anything like as bad as it sounds.
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apprentice money
https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.theguardian.com/us-news/2020/sep/29/trump-tax-returns-the-apprentice-empire.The camera down the willy isn't anything like as bad as it sounds.
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It's not encouraging that the Dems didn't keep the session open and impeach Trump immediately last Wednesday. Give it time and the pressure comes out of the situation.MattFalle said:
incorrect.First.Aspect said:
I'm not sure his long-term legacy will reflect this.MattFalle said:
So from a political point of view he's played a blinder tbh.kingstongraham said:
Means McConnell isn't responsible for kicking him out, but can help make sure he doesn't stand again. And also disrupt Biden's first few weeks.briantrumpet said:pblakeney said:Bestest pres ever! Who else managed to get impeached twice?
Won't come to anything.
McConnell's saying he won't come back from his hols to hold the trial before 20 January, so it'll fall to the new Senate to hold it. Not sure how much of a difference that will make... maybe they want to make sure he's out of the building before deciding which way to vote.
this will be viewed as a bit of political top work. in one foul swoop he's proted DT, the Rep paryy and jeffed up Biden's first 100.
its everything else - holding back SC nominations, all the legislation on his desk, the corruption, his wife, the support of DT, etc etc that will besmirch his legacy.
He's a total lizard, yes, undoubtedly, but he's succesfully infuriated and run circles around tbe Dems for years.
What they should really do is take what McConnell did as "don't allow norms to stop them from doing what they think is right". So the norms around supreme court judges were broken by Republicans? Break the norms to rectify it. Otherwise they are just going to be trampled all over.1 -
thats the exact problem with the Dems - they are trying to come across as the party of fairness, law abiding, nothing nasty, etc but are just having the piss taken out of them by a cynical and ruthless McConnell, etc.
They have moral high ground but they also don't have much legislation in place because its all on McConnell's desk..The camera down the willy isn't anything like as bad as it sounds.
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With the bar so low. Bidens legacy is not to punish Trump but to stabilise the US.
Dems need to neutralise Trump if they can successfully impeach him to block him from re-running. Other than that, punishing Trump is the job of the courts and the republicans.
Trashing norms to punish him will not have any stabilising effect and will only drive the toxic spiral harder.0 -
He lost his job, both houses and the presidency in 2020-21. His party lost two popular votes in succession. He's presided over an attempted coup and most likely a split in the party. By the time the Republicans have another realistic chance of getting in, his party will have had power for 4 out of the preceding 16 years - probably longer. Not sure some political trixies will really make up for that now. there are two possible scenarios - 1. the GOP wants a clean break from Trumpism, in which case there will be a bit of a cull of the enablers over the next couple of years, so he will likely be shuffled aside 2. the GOP will double down on being the misinformation party and, since he's set himself against Trumpism now, he will likely be shuffled aside.MattFalle said:
incorrect.First.Aspect said:
I'm not sure his long-term legacy will reflect this.MattFalle said:
So from a political point of view he's played a blinder tbh.kingstongraham said:
Means McConnell isn't responsible for kicking him out, but can help make sure he doesn't stand again. And also disrupt Biden's first few weeks.briantrumpet said:pblakeney said:Bestest pres ever! Who else managed to get impeached twice?
Won't come to anything.
McConnell's saying he won't come back from his hols to hold the trial before 20 January, so it'll fall to the new Senate to hold it. Not sure how much of a difference that will make... maybe they want to make sure he's out of the building before deciding which way to vote.
this will be viewed as a bit of political top work. in one foul swoop he's proted DT, the Rep paryy and jeffed up Biden's first 100.
its everything else - holding back SC nominations, all the legislation on his desk, the corruption, his wife, the support of DT, etc etc that will besmirch his legacy.
He's a total lizard, yes, undoubtedly, but he's succesfully infuriated and run circles around tbe Dems for years.
But I'm sure you know better than me Matthew, because you talk louder.0 -
Trump lost tbe presidency and both houses. McConnell is still in his job unless I missed him not getting re-elected.
yes they lost the popular vote but tgat doesn't matter - the Reps went for the important states last time and won.
who knows what tbeir plans are.
and yeah, I've got a better grip on this because I've got a degree in it, it used to be my job and I'm still heavily involved with the US as part of my job. So no, I don't talk louder but I talk more sense, so no need to be snide..The camera down the willy isn't anything like as bad as it sounds.
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Putin has got very good value for money out of his investment. I doubt even he expected such spectacular results in just 4 years.kingstongraham said:
I mean he's presided over the destruction of his party, and the loss of the senate, but since his leader inspired an attack that included being on him personally, he's made the most he could of it I suppose.MattFalle said:
So from a political point of view he's played a blinder tbh.kingstongraham said:
Means McConnell isn't responsible for kicking him out, but can help make sure he doesn't stand again. And also disrupt Biden's first few weeks.briantrumpet said:pblakeney said:Bestest pres ever! Who else managed to get impeached twice?
Won't come to anything.
McConnell's saying he won't come back from his hols to hold the trial before 20 January, so it'll fall to the new Senate to hold it. Not sure how much of a difference that will make... maybe they want to make sure he's out of the building before deciding which way to vote.
He swapped it all for judges and tax cuts, so he's got what he wanted.0 -
They're just cowards. Very happy to be hawkish when it is others being sent to face danger but sh*t themselves as soon as it gets close to home.kingstongraham said:A lot of Republicans yesterday basically saying "yes, it's bad that Trump supporters attacked us here, but we can't hold him accountable because they might do it again".
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He's not going to still be in his job in two weeks time. Not the one that gives him power, anyway.MattFalle said:Trump lost tbe presidency and both houses. McConnell is still in his job unless I missed him not getting re-elected.
yes they lost the popular vote but tgat doesn't matter - the Reps went for the important states last time and won.
who knows what tbeir plans are.
and yeah, I've got a better grip on this because I've got a degree in it, it used to be my job and I'm still heavily involved with the US as part of my job. So no, I don't talk louder but I talk more sense, so no need to be snide.0 -
Yes, for the hard of thinking among us, his job as senate majority leader.kingstongraham said:
He's not going to still be in his job in two weeks time. Not the one that gives him power, anyway.MattFalle said:Trump lost tbe presidency and both houses. McConnell is still in his job unless I missed him not getting re-elected.
yes they lost the popular vote but tgat doesn't matter - the Reps went for the important states last time and won.
who knows what tbeir plans are.
and yeah, I've got a better grip on this because I've got a degree in it, it used to be my job and I'm still heavily involved with the US as part of my job. So no, I don't talk louder but I talk more sense, so no need to be snide.
I do like the "it is my job so..." approach. Almost as convincing as "I've got a degree in it..."0 -
Haha feeling very seen.First.Aspect said:
Yes, for the hard of thinking among us, his job as senate majority leader.kingstongraham said:
He's not going to still be in his job in two weeks time. Not the one that gives him power, anyway.MattFalle said:Trump lost tbe presidency and both houses. McConnell is still in his job unless I missed him not getting re-elected.
yes they lost the popular vote but tgat doesn't matter - the Reps went for the important states last time and won.
who knows what tbeir plans are.
and yeah, I've got a better grip on this because I've got a degree in it, it used to be my job and I'm still heavily involved with the US as part of my job. So no, I don't talk louder but I talk more sense, so no need to be snide.
I do like the "it is my job so..." approach. Almost as convincing as "I've got a degree in it..."0 -
DT is too tight to spend his own money on competent lawyers so its probably fudged.rick_chasey said:I would imagine Trump has fairly complex financing arrangements for tax and other reasons.
I think the whole DB thing is just wishful thinking on part of his detractors.
The DB involvement obviously makes it sound juicy as they are pathologically attracted to scandal, but I doubt it's going to be exciting.0 -
What happened to the hash tags?MattFalle said:Trump lost tbe presidency and both houses. McConnell is still in his job unless I missed him not getting re-elected.
yes they lost the popular vote but tgat doesn't matter - the Reps went for the important states last time and won.
who knows what tbeir plans are.
and yeah, I've got a better grip on this because I've got a degree in it, it used to be my job and I'm still heavily involved with the US as part of my job. So no, I don't talk louder but I talk more sense, so no need to be snide.
#neverfailtodisapoint.0 -
#lostinteresttobehonestdarkhairedlord said:
What happened to the hash tags?MattFalle said:Trump lost tbe presidency and both houses. McConnell is still in his job unless I missed him not getting re-elected.
yes they lost the popular vote but tgat doesn't matter - the Reps went for the important states last time and won.
who knows what tbeir plans are.
and yeah, I've got a better grip on this because I've got a degree in it, it used to be my job and I'm still heavily involved with the US as part of my job. So no, I don't talk louder but I talk more sense, so no need to be snide.
#neverfailtodisapoint..The camera down the willy isn't anything like as bad as it sounds.
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Only six days now until he leaves the White House. Im hoping it's strapped to a trolley, wearing a hockey mask to stop him biting people.0
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but as its the cake stoppers moaning about it...darkhairedlord said:
What happened to the hash tags?MattFalle said:Trump lost tbe presidency and both houses. McConnell is still in his job unless I missed him not getting re-elected.
yes they lost the popular vote but tgat doesn't matter - the Reps went for the important states last time and won.
who knows what tbeir plans are.
and yeah, I've got a better grip on this because I've got a degree in it, it used to be my job and I'm still heavily involved with the US as part of my job. So no, I don't talk louder but I talk more sense, so no need to be snide.
#neverfailtodisapoint.
#haveoneforfree.The camera down the willy isn't anything like as bad as it sounds.
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SML is an appointment, not a job. His job is a Senator.First.Aspect said:
Yes, for the hard of thinking among us, his job as senate majority leader.kingstongraham said:
He's not going to still be in his job in two weeks time. Not the one that gives him power, anyway.MattFalle said:Trump lost tbe presidency and both houses. McConnell is still in his job unless I missed him not getting re-elected.
yes they lost the popular vote but tgat doesn't matter - the Reps went for the important states last time and won.
who knows what tbeir plans are.
and yeah, I've got a better grip on this because I've got a degree in it, it used to be my job and I'm still heavily involved with the US as part of my job. So no, I don't talk louder but I talk more sense, so no need to be snide.
I do like the "it is my job so..." approach. Almost as convincing as "I've got a degree in it..."
#sorrytopointouttheobvious.The camera down the willy isn't anything like as bad as it sounds.
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5 - he's reportedly heading to Florida on the 19th. Got to keep those Mar-a-lago rooms full of Secret Service staff and charging the US Govt inflated room rates from now on.oblongomaculatus said:Only six days now until he leaves the White House. Im hoping it's strapped to a trolley, wearing a hockey mask to stop him biting people.
Be interesting to see how long Melania waits to divorce him - allegedly the papers were all drawn up and ready to go in 2016 and then inconveniently he won the election, which neither of them were expecting.0 -
That's the point - it's about as well as possible given they lost control of both houses and the presidency, and suffered an attack and a riot in the building. That's quite a large "given".ddraver said:I'm with MF here, i think McConnel has played this about as well as possible.
He is an absolutely appalling human being, but a smooth political operator...0
