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It would be pretty funny watching him doing an Assange from his golf course in Scotland. If I know my fellow Scots they will not be laughing.Pross said:Also, would he be entitled to use the jet after the inauguration or will he have to catch a commercial flight back home? Maybe he'll move to Scotland to avoid the Feds.
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So long as he stays at the golf course indefinitely, Scotland can consider themselves providing a service to the world.john80 said:
It would be pretty funny watching him doing an Assange from his golf course in Scotland. If I know my fellow Scots they will not be laughing.Pross said:Also, would he be entitled to use the jet after the inauguration or will he have to catch a commercial flight back home? Maybe he'll move to Scotland to avoid the Feds.
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Today is going to be a popcorn day. Republicans just lost the senate.0
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Not quite yet... CNN saying Dems win 1, ahead on the other but close and still counting.0
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kingstongraham said:
Today is going to be a popcorn day. Republicans just lost the senate.
It'll be a good day for Biden if true. One of the things I've learnt about the US system, and been astounded by, is how much power the Leader of the Senate has, not least in simply not allowing votes on acts passed by the House, even if a majority of the Senate might vote in favour: there's no way to override the Leader's block. It's basically an veto, with no way to appeal. One of many ways in which the US system is broken, especially in these days of hyper-partisan politics.0 -
It's pretty perfect for Biden - as small a majority as is possible, so none of the policies that might alienate the moderates can get through. Popular policies only.briantrumpet said:kingstongraham said:Today is going to be a popcorn day. Republicans just lost the senate.
It'll be a good day for Biden if true. One of the things I've learnt about the US system, and been astounded by, is how much power the Leader of the Senate has, not least in simply not allowing votes on acts passed by the House, even if a majority of the Senate might vote in favour: there's no way to override the Leader's block. It's basically an veto, with no way to appeal. One of many ways in which the US system is broken, especially in these days of hyper-partisan politics.0 -
Donald has FTFYrjsterry said:
So long as he stays at the golf course indefinitely, Scotland can consider themselves privileged to be the home of the greatest President in the history of the worldjohn80 said:
It would be pretty funny watching him doing an Assange from his golf course in Scotland. If I know my fellow Scots they will not be laughing.Pross said:Also, would he be entitled to use the jet after the inauguration or will he have to catch a commercial flight back home? Maybe he'll move to Scotland to avoid the Feds.
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Fairly sure universal healthcare, which will be blocked in this scenario, would actually be incredibly popular.kingstongraham said:
It's pretty perfect for Biden - as small a majority as is possible, so none of the policies that might alienate the moderates can get through. Popular policies only.briantrumpet said:kingstongraham said:Today is going to be a popcorn day. Republicans just lost the senate.
It'll be a good day for Biden if true. One of the things I've learnt about the US system, and been astounded by, is how much power the Leader of the Senate has, not least in simply not allowing votes on acts passed by the House, even if a majority of the Senate might vote in favour: there's no way to override the Leader's block. It's basically an veto, with no way to appeal. One of many ways in which the US system is broken, especially in these days of hyper-partisan politics.0 -
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Bizarrely you’re wrong. There is still a massive part of the population that for some reason is against this.rick_chasey said:
Fairly sure universal healthcare, which will be blocked in this scenario, would actually be incredibly popular.kingstongraham said:
It's pretty perfect for Biden - as small a majority as is possible, so none of the policies that might alienate the moderates can get through. Popular policies only.briantrumpet said:kingstongraham said:Today is going to be a popcorn day. Republicans just lost the senate.
It'll be a good day for Biden if true. One of the things I've learnt about the US system, and been astounded by, is how much power the Leader of the Senate has, not least in simply not allowing votes on acts passed by the House, even if a majority of the Senate might vote in favour: there's no way to override the Leader's block. It's basically an veto, with no way to appeal. One of many ways in which the US system is broken, especially in these days of hyper-partisan politics.
.The camera down the willy isn't anything like as bad as it sounds.
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I've decided to not bother replying to you anymore Matt. Would be great if you chose to reciprocate.
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What do you object to in his response? He's right as far as I'm aware, it was one of Trump's big policies to scrap it. Yanks seem even worse than us when it comes to paying taxes to help those worse off than themselves.rick_chasey said:I've decided to not bother replying to you anymore Matt. Would be great if you chose to reciprocate.
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And now up to 16k lead for Ossoff, and near the 0.5% margin above which there's not an automatic recount.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/elections/election-results/georgia-senate-runoffs-2021/0 -
Trump got elected on repeal and replace of Obamacare. "My first day in office, I am going to ask Congress to put a bill on my desk getting rid of this disastrous law and replacing it with reforms that expand choice, freedom, affordability".Pross said:
What do you object to in his response? He's right as far as I'm aware, it was one of Trump's big policies to scrap it. Yanks seem even worse than us when it comes to paying taxes to help those worse off than themselves.rick_chasey said:I've decided to not bother replying to you anymore Matt. Would be great if you chose to reciprocate.
Up to you.
He tried to do the repeal. I guess the hope was that once it had been repealed, that would be enough of an emergency to allow almost any replacement to get passed (a bit like the EU trade deal got supported by Labour).
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Nothing, we have past beef and he winds me up.Pross said:
What do you object to in his response? He's right as far as I'm aware, it was one of Trump's big policies to scrap it. Yanks seem even worse than us when it comes to paying taxes to help those worse off than themselves.rick_chasey said:I've decided to not bother replying to you anymore Matt. Would be great if you chose to reciprocate.
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kingstongraham said:
Trump got elected on repeal and replace of Obamacare. "My first day in office, I am going to ask Congress to put a bill on my desk getting rid of this disastrous law and replacing it with reforms that expand choice, freedom, affordability".Pross said:
What do you object to in his response? He's right as far as I'm aware, it was one of Trump's big policies to scrap it. Yanks seem even worse than us when it comes to paying taxes to help those worse off than themselves.rick_chasey said:I've decided to not bother replying to you anymore Matt. Would be great if you chose to reciprocate.
Up to you.
He tried to do the repeal. I guess the hope was that once it had been repealed, that would be enough of an emergency to allow almost any replacement to get passed (a bit like the EU trade deal got supported by Labour).
My suspicion is that only the burning down of the house part of the 'promise' would have happened. It's just possible Trump actually did 'hope' to replace Obamacare (if only because of its link to Obama), but I doubt if the Republicans would be in favour of anything that has the slightest whiff of equalising access to healthcare.0 -
That's the point though - to get elected, Trump ran on "I will give you better healthcare, at lower cost, with no exclusions for pre-existing conditions". That's what they thought was popular, even if they weren't going to do it.briantrumpet said:kingstongraham said:
Trump got elected on repeal and replace of Obamacare. "My first day in office, I am going to ask Congress to put a bill on my desk getting rid of this disastrous law and replacing it with reforms that expand choice, freedom, affordability".Pross said:
What do you object to in his response? He's right as far as I'm aware, it was one of Trump's big policies to scrap it. Yanks seem even worse than us when it comes to paying taxes to help those worse off than themselves.rick_chasey said:I've decided to not bother replying to you anymore Matt. Would be great if you chose to reciprocate.
Up to you.
He tried to do the repeal. I guess the hope was that once it had been repealed, that would be enough of an emergency to allow almost any replacement to get passed (a bit like the EU trade deal got supported by Labour).
My suspicion is that only the burning down of the house part of the 'promise' would have happened. It's just possible Trump actually did 'hope' to replace Obamacare (if only because of its link to Obama), but I doubt if the Republicans would be in favour of anything that has the slightest whiff of equalising access to healthcare.0 -
Does that mean Guantanamo Bay will be closed? Or will the democrats find new ways to not do it.0
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this sort of thing. Amongst the working classes Trump still has a huge following and they, for some reason, are still massively against universal healthcare, any changes to 2A, benefits, etc although they would benefit most.MattFalle said:
Bizarrely you’re wrong. There is still a massive part of the population that for some reason is against this.rick_chasey said:
Fairly sure universal healthcare, which will be blocked in this scenario, would actually be incredibly popular.kingstongraham said:
It's pretty perfect for Biden - as small a majority as is possible, so none of the policies that might alienate the moderates can get through. Popular policies only.briantrumpet said:kingstongraham said:Today is going to be a popcorn day. Republicans just lost the senate.
It'll be a good day for Biden if true. One of the things I've learnt about the US system, and been astounded by, is how much power the Leader of the Senate has, not least in simply not allowing votes on acts passed by the House, even if a majority of the Senate might vote in favour: there's no way to override the Leader's block. It's basically an veto, with no way to appeal. One of many ways in which the US system is broken, especially in these days of hyper-partisan politics.
.The camera down the willy isn't anything like as bad as it sounds.
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it'll remain open. they and their allies need it to do stuff that is unsightly in. every govt has one, its just that everyone knows about Gitmo and yes, they are constantly used.TheBigBean said:Does that mean Guantanamo Bay will be closed? Or will the democrats find new ways to not do it.
.The camera down the willy isn't anything like as bad as it sounds.
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no - trump ran on a racism ticket.kingstongraham said:
That's the point though - to get elected, Trump ran on "I will give you better healthcare, at lower cost, with no exclusions for pre-existing conditions". That's what they thought was popular, even if they weren't going to do it.briantrumpet said:kingstongraham said:
Trump got elected on repeal and replace of Obamacare. "My first day in office, I am going to ask Congress to put a bill on my desk getting rid of this disastrous law and replacing it with reforms that expand choice, freedom, affordability".Pross said:
What do you object to in his response? He's right as far as I'm aware, it was one of Trump's big policies to scrap it. Yanks seem even worse than us when it comes to paying taxes to help those worse off than themselves.rick_chasey said:I've decided to not bother replying to you anymore Matt. Would be great if you chose to reciprocate.
Up to you.
He tried to do the repeal. I guess the hope was that once it had been repealed, that would be enough of an emergency to allow almost any replacement to get passed (a bit like the EU trade deal got supported by Labour).
My suspicion is that only the burning down of the house part of the 'promise' would have happened. It's just possible Trump actually did 'hope' to replace Obamacare (if only because of its link to Obama), but I doubt if the Republicans would be in favour of anything that has the slightest whiff of equalising access to healthcare.
they never planned to replace Obamacare, the voters never wanted a replacement, they just wanted rid of Obamacare because a black president enabled it.
Everything Trump has done whilst being in power has been to pull apart everything Obama did - he ran on a racist ticket twice, the only reason he lost the second time round is because of Covid and the realisation of the racist ticket..The camera down the willy isn't anything like as bad as it sounds.
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Its because Rick doesn't like structured arguments from someone with real life experience as opposed to what he believes from his muddle class white collar lifestyle.rick_chasey said:
Nothing, we have past beef and he winds me up.Pross said:
What do you object to in his response? He's right as far as I'm aware, it was one of Trump's big policies to scrap it. Yanks seem even worse than us when it comes to paying taxes to help those worse off than themselves.rick_chasey said:I've decided to not bother replying to you anymore Matt. Would be great if you chose to reciprocate.
Up to you.
He bases his beliefs on what he discusses with his friends who hold the same beliefs and is unwilling to accept a different viewpoint and structure it into his thinking..The camera down the willy isn't anything like as bad as it sounds.
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I know what he did with the power, but to get there, he didn't combine his racism and culture wars with "I will take away healthcare from millions". Decent healthcare is a vote winner, who knew?MattFalle said:
no - trump ran on a racism ticket.kingstongraham said:
That's the point though - to get elected, Trump ran on "I will give you better healthcare, at lower cost, with no exclusions for pre-existing conditions". That's what they thought was popular, even if they weren't going to do it.briantrumpet said:kingstongraham said:
Trump got elected on repeal and replace of Obamacare. "My first day in office, I am going to ask Congress to put a bill on my desk getting rid of this disastrous law and replacing it with reforms that expand choice, freedom, affordability".Pross said:
What do you object to in his response? He's right as far as I'm aware, it was one of Trump's big policies to scrap it. Yanks seem even worse than us when it comes to paying taxes to help those worse off than themselves.rick_chasey said:I've decided to not bother replying to you anymore Matt. Would be great if you chose to reciprocate.
Up to you.
He tried to do the repeal. I guess the hope was that once it had been repealed, that would be enough of an emergency to allow almost any replacement to get passed (a bit like the EU trade deal got supported by Labour).
My suspicion is that only the burning down of the house part of the 'promise' would have happened. It's just possible Trump actually did 'hope' to replace Obamacare (if only because of its link to Obama), but I doubt if the Republicans would be in favour of anything that has the slightest whiff of equalising access to healthcare.
they never planned to replace Obamacare, the voters never wanted a replacement, they just wanted rid of Obamacare because a black president enabled it.
Everything Trump has done whilst being in power has been to pull apart everything Obama did - he ran on a racist ticket twice, the only reason he lost the second time round is because of Covid and the realisation of the racist ticket.0 -
I thought you lived in a converted barn, had a nice German car and a high earning wife. That not middle class? Or do you keep yourself grounded?MattFalle said:
Its because Rick doesn't like structured arguments from someone with real life experience as opposed to what he believes from his muddle class white collar lifestyle.rick_chasey said:
Nothing, we have past beef and he winds me up.Pross said:
What do you object to in his response? He's right as far as I'm aware, it was one of Trump's big policies to scrap it. Yanks seem even worse than us when it comes to paying taxes to help those worse off than themselves.rick_chasey said:I've decided to not bother replying to you anymore Matt. Would be great if you chose to reciprocate.
Up to you.
He bases his beliefs on what he discusses with his friends who hold the same beliefs and is unwilling to accept a different viewpoint and structure it into his thinking.0 -
He ran on a statement of getting rid of Obamacare and "replacing it with something far, far better" but never at anytime actually released any details about what that plan was.kingstongraham said:
I know what he did with the power, but to get there, he didn't combine his racism and culture wars with "I will take away healthcare from millions". Decent healthcare is a vote winner, who knew?MattFalle said:
no - trump ran on a racism ticket.kingstongraham said:
That's the point though - to get elected, Trump ran on "I will give you better healthcare, at lower cost, with no exclusions for pre-existing conditions". That's what they thought was popular, even if they weren't going to do it.briantrumpet said:kingstongraham said:
Trump got elected on repeal and replace of Obamacare. "My first day in office, I am going to ask Congress to put a bill on my desk getting rid of this disastrous law and replacing it with reforms that expand choice, freedom, affordability".Pross said:
What do you object to in his response? He's right as far as I'm aware, it was one of Trump's big policies to scrap it. Yanks seem even worse than us when it comes to paying taxes to help those worse off than themselves.rick_chasey said:I've decided to not bother replying to you anymore Matt. Would be great if you chose to reciprocate.
Up to you.
He tried to do the repeal. I guess the hope was that once it had been repealed, that would be enough of an emergency to allow almost any replacement to get passed (a bit like the EU trade deal got supported by Labour).
My suspicion is that only the burning down of the house part of the 'promise' would have happened. It's just possible Trump actually did 'hope' to replace Obamacare (if only because of its link to Obama), but I doubt if the Republicans would be in favour of anything that has the slightest whiff of equalising access to healthcare.
they never planned to replace Obamacare, the voters never wanted a replacement, they just wanted rid of Obamacare because a black president enabled it.
Everything Trump has done whilst being in power has been to pull apart everything Obama did - he ran on a racist ticket twice, the only reason he lost the second time round is because of Covid and the realisation of the racist ticket.
The voters knew he had no plans but they wanted rid of Obama's legacy - they didn't care about anything else.
environmental policy - cancel Obama stuff.
Tepudiation of college loans: cancel Obama
Gun laws: cancel Obama
The rest of the ticket was racist..The camera down the willy isn't anything like as bad as it sounds.
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It is sort of true, but he ran on a Republican ticket. That is enough for over 45% of any turnout in any election depite anything that is actually said. The rest of any tactics he had was about voter turnout. Largely, people who changed their minds chaged from not voting to voting. He was never trying to get Democrat voters to switch.MattFalle said:
no - trump ran on a racism ticket.kingstongraham said:
That's the point though - to get elected, Trump ran on "I will give you better healthcare, at lower cost, with no exclusions for pre-existing conditions". That's what they thought was popular, even if they weren't going to do it.briantrumpet said:kingstongraham said:
Trump got elected on repeal and replace of Obamacare. "My first day in office, I am going to ask Congress to put a bill on my desk getting rid of this disastrous law and replacing it with reforms that expand choice, freedom, affordability".Pross said:
What do you object to in his response? He's right as far as I'm aware, it was one of Trump's big policies to scrap it. Yanks seem even worse than us when it comes to paying taxes to help those worse off than themselves.rick_chasey said:I've decided to not bother replying to you anymore Matt. Would be great if you chose to reciprocate.
Up to you.
He tried to do the repeal. I guess the hope was that once it had been repealed, that would be enough of an emergency to allow almost any replacement to get passed (a bit like the EU trade deal got supported by Labour).
My suspicion is that only the burning down of the house part of the 'promise' would have happened. It's just possible Trump actually did 'hope' to replace Obamacare (if only because of its link to Obama), but I doubt if the Republicans would be in favour of anything that has the slightest whiff of equalising access to healthcare.
they never planned to replace Obamacare, the voters never wanted a replacement, they just wanted rid of Obamacare because a black president enabled it.
Everything Trump has done whilst being in power has been to pull apart everything Obama did - he ran on a racist ticket twice, the only reason he lost the second time round is because of Covid and the realisation of the racist ticket.0 -
again, thus.Pross said:
What do you object to in his response? He's right as far as I'm aware, it was one of Trump's big policies to scrap it. Yanks seem even worse than us when it comes to paying taxes to help those worse off than themselves.rick_chasey said:I've decided to not bother replying to you anymore Matt. Would be great if you chose to reciprocate.
Up to you.
americans are delighted to reward big business and the ridiculously rich with tax breaks. Ffs, they can even claim a tax rebate for luxury yachts.
But try filtering that down to the working classes/poor/indebted and funk me, you're up for a fight.
I was mobilised with the Americans a couple of years for a long period - the higher educated/earning (officers, doctors) were appalled at Trump and the Rep policies, the average "grunt" - across the Marines, Army and Navy - loved him even though they got no benefit at all from him..The camera down the willy isn't anything like as bad as it sounds.
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Sorry Richard, you're living in cloud cuckoo land. Again.rick_chasey said:
No. That’s not what I want.MattFalle said:
So you want a protest. Something nice and jumpers, few placards, back home on the train, dinner and pseudo discussion, back to the recruitment office to sell jobs to fascists the next day. Cool.rick_chasey said:
No, you just lack imagination.MattFalle said:rick_chasey said:
FWIW I would suggest hoping people see the better side is not really an effective tactic in this scenarioelbowloh said:
TBF, it's only a (relatively) small number and not supported by the Senate Majority Leader. Hopefully Pence will see sense and not support it.rick_chasey said:Full blown authoritarian attempt to overthrow the election result going on by the Republican Party.
They’re not backing down.
Sounds like you want boots on the streets.....
You need serious people who people listen to continue to point and explain what the Reps are doing - particularly republicans who are pro-democracy.
Your Mitt Romney’s of this world.
They all need to get organised and mount their own material response to it.
Sitting and hoping they fail is not a strategy.
Less useful but Biden needs to spell it out.
You need to get serious people who people listen to explaining how America is actually one of the world’s leaders when it comes to vote counting.
The average bod in America - much like the average bod in the UK - doesn't care for reasoned political argument and logic. Look at Brexit.
They don't live in a pseudo intello white collar world of suburbia mixing only with psuedo intellectuals imagining they are Sartre like you do.
The average blue collar Trumper based their vote on being a historical Republican, keeping their perceived idea of Socialism out, the Vets, perceived patriotism, keeping the illegals and immigrants out, racism, their form of Evangelism and dismantling anything Obama did. This final point is massive.
Rich Republicans voted for tax cuts and the preservation of wealth whilst keeping the means of production - ie blue collar workers and lesser paid white collar (the sub management level like you who are subrogated by high rent and mortgage, credit card bills and high household costs) under their control.
The GOP and the R party is now under Trumper control as we can clearly see from the post election diatribe.
Not matter what you say from the sanctity of your middle class domesticity, you're out of touch with the average American. Perhaps this is because you don't work/hang out with them.
Its going to take at least a generation to educate and filter out the current Trumper voters and this can only be done through base means that they will watch and understand - you're struggling with a poor basic education system, the influence of the mega churches and intelligent people seeing a way of getting really frgiin' rich really quickly, combined with mad conspiracy theories and Russia, Iran and China misinformation.
Politics is huge business over there - the numbers are amazing. Why else did Trump get involved?
You can post all the liberal leaning diatribes you want but this is the only angle you are looking at it from which is why your opinions are unbalanced, shortsighted and essentially worthless to a large degree..The camera down the willy isn't anything like as bad as it sounds.
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