Donald Trump
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Was it a bush quote, "you can fool some of the people all of the time and those are where you should direct your efforts."mrb123 said:0 -
Twitter now flagging Trump's tweets within 5 minutes of him tweeting. He mad.
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My personal view of the situation is Trump has consistently been on a campaign to discredit his opposition and suppress anything which makes him appear either weak or incorrect while keeping himself in the spotlight of the world.
You could probably apply this formula to anything he has done during his time in office or the 2016 electoral campaign.
As its the most recent I'll use the current loss of the presidential election as an example.
Problem
Election
Solution
Cast doubt upon your opponent
Create a nickname to portray them as inferior
Use unfounded allegations of wrong doings either against the person or at people within their close sphere of influence
Claim the systems around the process are skewed in favour of the other person
Refer to "Deep State"
Twitter rant
Quote from friendly media
State other media is out to get them
Now you could change the Election to pretty much any of Trumps issues over the last four years most of the tactics actually fit.
The election dis information that Trump has ran is not only the latest but also by far his most effective causing a large chunk of the mid US to believe the election was unfair, despite when asked how being unable to refer to anything more concrete than saying that the president said it was, so it must be true.
Now unfortunately for Trump the above "process" for want of a better word has come upon a hurdle it cannot surmount, that being the overriding amount of votes and legal process, but I think we will see much like any cornered animal, this is when they are at their most dangerous.
Also re Trump flying to Scotland to avoid the Inauguration, if the airport follow procedure the aircraft may be allowed to land and refuel but they would not be allowed to stay, nor even leave the aircraft due to the Scottish lockdown, Trump is not a returning resident of the country and if he is still president at the time of landing he still would not be granted immunity for them the laws. If he landed and was no longer president then he has even less power. I believe the only way he could legally enter the country would be via a US Airforce base, but in line with their current lockdown measures he would not be allowed off site. Also he could not claim going to the course as exercise as the law in Scotland around the exercise in Scotland (which apparently golf comes under) means the courses he owns are all to far from a USAF Base. So unless they are converting a runway into a private course I doubt he will get much golfing done within the UK.
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It's like the flagging of Coopster posts we had on here!briantrumpet said:Twitter now flagging Trump's tweets within 5 minutes of him tweeting. He mad.
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He seems sad and angry. Which is nice..
The camera down the willy isn't anything like as bad as it sounds.
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Roger Stone at the Pro Trump rally yesterday.
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The barn has gone but yes, the rest is right. Totally middle class by living standards but in no way can you say my background is middle class, my job is middle class or the majority of people I work with middle class. If you do then its an utterly bizarre definition of middle class.First.Aspect said:
I thought you lived in a converted barn, had a nice German car and a high earning wife. That not middle class? Or do you keep yourself grounded?MattFalle said:
Its because Rick doesn't like structured arguments from someone with real life experience as opposed to what he believes from his muddle class white collar lifestyle.rick_chasey said:
Nothing, we have past beef and he winds me up.Pross said:
What do you object to in his response? He's right as far as I'm aware, it was one of Trump's big policies to scrap it. Yanks seem even worse than us when it comes to paying taxes to help those worse off than themselves.rick_chasey said:I've decided to not bother replying to you anymore Matt. Would be great if you chose to reciprocate.
Up to you.
He bases his beliefs on what he discusses with his friends who hold the same beliefs and is unwilling to accept a different viewpoint and structure it into his thinking.
Where you live and what your do doesn't define you - your educative reasoning, your beliefs in right and wrong, your social beliefs and not believing your own pseudo intello make believe ego are what make you.
Just because you have a nice house and a Honda Anaconda doesn't mean that you don't go out and graft and that what makes you.
Don't get me wrong - I'm not calling the sympathy vote - stuff working down the mines/fishing boats/rigs - I couldn't do that, but what I do do allows me to look at and understand other people's views and backgrounds from all social diametrics as opposed to having dinner parties and working in an employment agency..The camera down the willy isn't anything like as bad as it sounds.
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Who owes who?
Pence don't owe him schmence. Pence is the only one who will walk out of this unscathed and that's only because he's done absolutely nothing for 4 years.
Pence knows that if he tries anything now he'll be laughed at by the courts and have no future at all - as it is he can retire into NEDship, a couple of book deals and the speaking circuit.
Support Trump in this and he's stuffed
Stone doesn't owe anyone anything because he's a dab hand political master - he has so much dirt on his enemies that he is untouchable.
The prison time was measly and he would have got paid for that as part of taking the rap. Don't think he did proper time either - untouchable..The camera down the willy isn't anything like as bad as it sounds.
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He's talking about Roger Stone I thinkMattFalle said:Who owes who?
Pence don't owe him schmence. Pence is the only one who will walk out of this unscathed and that's only because he's done absolutely nothing for 4 years.
Pence knows that if he tries anything now he'll be laughed at by the courts and have no future at all - as it is he can retire into NEDship, a couple of book deals and the speaking circuit.
Support Trump in this and he's stuffed
Stone doesn't owe anyone anything because he's a dab hand political master - he has so much dirt on his enemies that he is untouchable.
The prison time was measly and he would have got paid for that as part of taking the rap. Don't think he did proper time either - untouchable.- Genesis Croix de Fer
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It was what he said that made me laugh: "I have two words to say - Thank You Jesus"
It's beyond any parody.0 -
In a way, it will be a shame when this is all over and I stop following Aaron Rupar on twitter:
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The latter part of my post then.pangolin said:
He's talking about Roger Stone I thinkMattFalle said:Who owes who?
Pence don't owe him schmence. Pence is the only one who will walk out of this unscathed and that's only because he's done absolutely nothing for 4 years.
Pence knows that if he tries anything now he'll be laughed at by the courts and have no future at all - as it is he can retire into NEDship, a couple of book deals and the speaking circuit.
Support Trump in this and he's stuffed
Stone doesn't owe anyone anything because he's a dab hand political master - he has so much dirt on his enemies that he is untouchable.
The prison time was measly and he would have got paid for that as part of taking the rap. Don't think he did proper time either - untouchable..The camera down the willy isn't anything like as bad as it sounds.
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Presumably Pence wants to run in 2024 and he would be very popular with the religious conservative right for his views on LGBTQ rights (Google his record as Governor of Indiana and member of Congress). So like other people he has to be careful about pissing Trump off because one thing we know about Trump is he regards loyalty above almost everything else and if you cross him he goes after you.
This is why Pence didn't personally say anything about the Texas lawsuit or the upcoming attempt to dispute the counting of the Electoral College votes but 'let it be known' that he supported them.
As for Paul Ryan I think he'll be one of the surprise contenders for 2024 Republican nomination because he can basically say 'it wasn't me' when inevitably challenged about what he did/didn't do during the Trump Presidency unlike just about every other candidate who's going to get smeared with Trump sh*t.'Hello to Jason Isaacs'0 -
Whenever I meet someone with an army background or from an army family, they are posher than me.MattFalle said:
The barn has gone but yes, the rest is right. Totally middle class by living standards but in no way can you say my background is middle class, my job is middle class or the majority of people I work with middle class. If you do then its an utterly bizarre definition of middle class.First.Aspect said:
I thought you lived in a converted barn, had a nice German car and a high earning wife. That not middle class? Or do you keep yourself grounded?MattFalle said:
Its because Rick doesn't like structured arguments from someone with real life experience as opposed to what he believes from his muddle class white collar lifestyle.rick_chasey said:
Nothing, we have past beef and he winds me up.Pross said:
What do you object to in his response? He's right as far as I'm aware, it was one of Trump's big policies to scrap it. Yanks seem even worse than us when it comes to paying taxes to help those worse off than themselves.rick_chasey said:I've decided to not bother replying to you anymore Matt. Would be great if you chose to reciprocate.
Up to you.
He bases his beliefs on what he discusses with his friends who hold the same beliefs and is unwilling to accept a different viewpoint and structure it into his thinking.
Where you live and what your do doesn't define you - your educative reasoning, your beliefs in right and wrong, your social beliefs and not believing your own pseudo intello make believe ego are what make you.
Just because you have a nice house and a Honda Anaconda doesn't mean that you don't go out and graft and that what makes you.
Don't get me wrong - I'm not calling the sympathy vote - stuff working down the mines/fishing boats/rigs - I couldn't do that, but what I do do allows me to look at and understand other people's views and backgrounds from all social diametrics as opposed to having dinner parties and working in an employment agency.0 -
I doubt if Pence will make it past celebrity-death-watch 2021 let alone get to 2024.schlepcycling said:Presumably Pence wants to run in 2024 and he would be very popular with the religious conservative right for his views on LGBTQ rights (Google his record as Governor of Indiana and member of Congress). So like other people he has to be careful about pissing Trump off because one thing we know about Trump is he regards loyalty above almost everything else and if you cross him he goes after you.
This is why Pence didn't personally say anything about the Texas lawsuit or the upcoming attempt to dispute the counting of the Electoral College votes but 'let it be known' that he supported them.
As for Paul Ryan I think he'll be one of the surprise contenders for 2024 Republican nomination because he can basically say 'it wasn't me' when inevitably challenged about what he did/didn't do during the Trump Presidency unlike just about every other candidate who's going to get smeared with Trump sh*t.0 -
Maybe it was just "Thank you" and then he saw something that made him exclaim "Jesus"kingstongraham said:It was what he said that made me laugh: "I have two words to say - Thank You Jesus"
It's beyond any parody.
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It sums him up that his supporters are protesting and seemingly threatening to become violent and, rather than appeal for calm as pretty much any other political leader would, he is fanning the flames with his rhetoric. I'm also surprised that he still has a support base for him personally rather than the Republicans considering he has totally failed to deliver the populist policies he said he would.0
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There we go. Pence and McConnell go against trump and for the electoral result.rick_chasey said:
No. That’s not what I want.MattFalle said:
So you want a protest. Something nice and jumpers, few placards, back home on the train, dinner and pseudo discussion, back to the recruitment office to sell jobs to fascists the next day. Cool.rick_chasey said:
No, you just lack imagination.MattFalle said:rick_chasey said:
FWIW I would suggest hoping people see the better side is not really an effective tactic in this scenarioelbowloh said:
TBF, it's only a (relatively) small number and not supported by the Senate Majority Leader. Hopefully Pence will see sense and not support it.rick_chasey said:Full blown authoritarian attempt to overthrow the election result going on by the Republican Party.
They’re not backing down.
Sounds like you want boots on the streets.....
You need serious people who people listen to continue to point and explain what the Reps are doing - particularly republicans who are pro-democracy.
Your Mitt Romney’s of this world.
They all need to get organised and mount their own material response to it.
Sitting and hoping they fail is not a strategy.
Less useful but Biden needs to spell it out.
You need to get serious people who people listen to explaining how America is actually one of the world’s leaders when it comes to vote counting.
That’s how you stop it.0 -
You haven't stopped his base support or his support in the GOP though have you?rick_chasey said:
There we go. Pence and McConnell go against trump and for the electoral result.rick_chasey said:
No. That’s not what I want.MattFalle said:
So you want a protest. Something nice and jumpers, few placards, back home on the train, dinner and pseudo discussion, back to the recruitment office to sell jobs to fascists the next day. Cool.rick_chasey said:
No, you just lack imagination.MattFalle said:rick_chasey said:
FWIW I would suggest hoping people see the better side is not really an effective tactic in this scenarioelbowloh said:
TBF, it's only a (relatively) small number and not supported by the Senate Majority Leader. Hopefully Pence will see sense and not support it.rick_chasey said:Full blown authoritarian attempt to overthrow the election result going on by the Republican Party.
They’re not backing down.
Sounds like you want boots on the streets.....
You need serious people who people listen to continue to point and explain what the Reps are doing - particularly republicans who are pro-democracy.
Your Mitt Romney’s of this world.
They all need to get organised and mount their own material response to it.
Sitting and hoping they fail is not a strategy.
Less useful but Biden needs to spell it out.
You need to get serious people who people listen to explaining how America is actually one of the world’s leaders when it comes to vote counting.
That’s how you stop it.
All those two have done is not get done for sedition..The camera down the willy isn't anything like as bad as it sounds.
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Its has come to something when Mitt Romney is classed as a serious, normal candidate. I remember when he was a presidential candidate and he was seen as a bit of a nutter! I guess it's all relative.0
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Horse = boltedrick_chasey said:
There we go. Pence and McConnell go against trump and for the electoral result.rick_chasey said:
No. That’s not what I want.MattFalle said:
So you want a protest. Something nice and jumpers, few placards, back home on the train, dinner and pseudo discussion, back to the recruitment office to sell jobs to fascists the next day. Cool.rick_chasey said:
No, you just lack imagination.MattFalle said:rick_chasey said:
FWIW I would suggest hoping people see the better side is not really an effective tactic in this scenarioelbowloh said:
TBF, it's only a (relatively) small number and not supported by the Senate Majority Leader. Hopefully Pence will see sense and not support it.rick_chasey said:Full blown authoritarian attempt to overthrow the election result going on by the Republican Party.
They’re not backing down.
Sounds like you want boots on the streets.....
You need serious people who people listen to continue to point and explain what the Reps are doing - particularly republicans who are pro-democracy.
Your Mitt Romney’s of this world.
They all need to get organised and mount their own material response to it.
Sitting and hoping they fail is not a strategy.
Less useful but Biden needs to spell it out.
You need to get serious people who people listen to explaining how America is actually one of the world’s leaders when it comes to vote counting.
That’s how you stop it.0 -
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Shots fired in the Capitol building is being reported. It's gone completely over the top.
But isn't the right to bare arms in the 2nd amendment all connected to holding the government to account?0 -
Its like a reverse Nicolae Ceaușescu . Who's gonna cop it sheltering in an armoured car?0
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More than he got for the inauguration...
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When does a protest become an attempted coup?0
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