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  • First.Aspect
    First.Aspect Posts: 17,167
    coopster_the_1st said:

    First.Aspect said:

    coopster_the_1st said:

    First.Aspect said:

    coopster_the_1st said:

    Looks like it is another evening of this in this thread :smiley:


    What do you stand for?

    The nonchalant disinterest isn't a very convincing epilogue, btw. Just so you know.
    I stand for respecting democratic outcomes and respecting the position of POTUS. Disrespecting POTUS is disrespectful of the US electorate, despite who is POTUS at the time. The disrespect and disgraceful actions from the likes of Sadiq Khan and the former speaker of the HoC's was a new low and said more about them, which in hindsight has proved to be correct.
    This presupposes that the electorate *knew* they had elected a sociopathic racist though doesn't it.

    Bit like brexit. Lets all pretend everyone *knew* it would all come down to hard Brexit vs fishing quotas.
    Haven't 70m American's voted for, as you label him the "sociopathic racist" again?

    We don't live in their shoes, so we don't know their reasons for voting the way they have, but I don't think 70m people can be seen as wrong because of their political views. It's just the other side have won this time.

    Ironic that you bring up Brexit in a US orientated thread. Both Republicans and Democrats would be 100% Leavers as they would never allow their politicians to transfer powers to EU like political experiment.
    Look up Biden's contemporaneous comments on Brexit.

    Moron.
  • thegreatdivide
    thegreatdivide Posts: 5,807
    pinno said:

    briantrumpet said:

    nickice said:

    pblakeney said:

    nickice said:

    In terms of policy, and only policy, how does Donald Trump compare to any other Republican president or any other president for that matter?

    You'd have to find the policy first.
    It's been hidden behind on the wing speeches and tweets.
    He's an awful man and very unpresidential but there are some areas he's done quite well in (compared to other presidents). He hasn't led the US into any new wars for starters. His foreign policy, if separated from the man, is probably relatively successful.
    ...and probably wants to avoid real wars where he's got property.
    .
    Yep, never waged war on Scotland.

    Never try and wage war on Ayrshire and Aberdeenshire. Actual mad b4astards.

  • orraloon
    orraloon Posts: 13,227
    pinkbikini said:

    coopster_the_1st said:

    First.Aspect said:

    coopster_the_1st said:

    Looks like it is another evening of this in this thread :smiley:


    What do you stand for?

    The nonchalant disinterest isn't a very convincing epilogue, btw. Just so you know.
    I stand for respecting democratic outcomes and respecting the position of POTUS. Disrespecting POTUS is disrespectful of the US electorate, despite who is POTUS at the time. The disrespect and disgraceful actions from the likes of Sadiq Khan and the former speaker of the HoC's was a new low and said more about them, which in hindsight has proved to be correct.
    Sorry, I rarely get involved in this low-level mudslinging, but to hear you talk of ‘respect’ for democratically-elected representatives is ridiculous. If I could be bothered I’d quote your hundreds of comments denigrating the UK government’s response to a pandemic. From what I can tell you respect very little. That’s fine, challenging views is important. Hypocrisy is not.
    It's a Russian trollbot account. Don't feed it.
  • rick_chasey
    rick_chasey Posts: 75,661
    edited November 2020
    Dorset_Boy said:

    rick_chasey said:

    Dorset_Boy said:

    nickice said:

    pblakeney said:

    nickice said:

    In terms of policy, and only policy, how does Donald Trump compare to any other Republican president or any other president for that matter?

    You'd have to find the policy first.
    It's been hidden behind on the wing speeches and tweets.
    He's an awful man and very unpresidential but there are some areas he's done quite well in (compared to other presidents). He hasn't led the US into any new wars for starters. His foreign policy, if separated from the man, is probably relatively successful.
    Further up thread someone suggested he had destabilised the world. I countered that he hadn't.
    Rick then ranted with a list of 'bad' foreign policy actions.
    None of them had destabilised the world, and possibly actually had the opposite effect - eg engaging with N Korea, even though it is a horrible dictatorship, or pulling out of Syria and therefore not having conflict with Russia, even if it isn't a great result for moderates and ordinary citizens.
    Bit disappointed you felt it was a rant.

    The Syrian withdrawal was one of the worst betrayals of an ally, the Kurds anyone has seen in a generation and it played right into the hands of his favourite despots Erdogan and Putin so I’m disappointed you see the hasty Syrian withdrawal. It was properly disgraceful.

    I think Trump’s policies on the Mexican border were atrocious.

    His dismantling of the climate change policies in the US are obviously problematic.

    His general (mis)management of the functions and institutions in the US, which I’d argue is a policy, has eroded a chunk of the functionality of the state - a whole host remained either unmanned or run by people who were so ill suited to the role (by background).

    The fiscal stimulus was very badly timed - pro cyclical and ineffective given the cost because it was generous to very well off and not much else.

    Above all though the tearing up of the pandemic preparations and having a president indulge in conspiracy theories, refusing to set an example re masks (and turning it into a political issue) refusing to take the pandemic seriously in the early phase etc etc has been very costly

    Rick, I considered it a rant because it didn't have any relevance to the point that I was questioning - namely the suggestion that Trump's foreign policy has destabilised the world. It clearly hasn't.

    Am genuinely surprised anyone can argue this unless you’re Russian.

    What about trade wars, weakening NATO, ignoring climate change and emboldening despots the world over is not destabilising?

    I mean if your criteria is the US didn’t kick off any new wars or were ok to let someone win (even if they’re murderous despots) than I guess so but that feels very narrow.

    The Kurd betrayal sticks in the craw as they sacrificed so much to defeat ISIS and they were left to the slaughter high and dry.
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  • briantrumpet
    briantrumpet Posts: 20,349
    pinkbikini said:

    Sorry, I rarely get involved in this low-level mudslinging, but to hear you talk of ‘respect’ for democratically-elected representatives is ridiculous. If I could be bothered I’d quote your hundreds of comments denigrating the UK government’s response to a pandemic. From what I can tell you respect very little. That’s fine, challenging views is important. Hypocrisy is not.


    A troll's only principle is to hook you, and hypocrisy is one of the tools they use, so don't expect any sort of consistency. Even better, don't take the bait.
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  • First.Aspect
    First.Aspect Posts: 17,167
    briantrumpet said:

    pinkbikini said:

    Sorry, I rarely get involved in this low-level mudslinging, but to hear you talk of ‘respect’ for democratically-elected representatives is ridiculous. If I could be bothered I’d quote your hundreds of comments denigrating the UK government’s response to a pandemic. From what I can tell you respect very little. That’s fine, challenging views is important. Hypocrisy is not.


    A troll's only principle is to hook you, and hypocrisy is one of the tools they use, so don't expect any sort of consistency. Even better, don't take the bait.
    This perfectly sums up Trump.
  • pangolin
    pangolin Posts: 6,648
    Trump was always very respectful of the democratic decision to elect Obama.
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  • coopster_the_1st
    coopster_the_1st Posts: 5,158
    pinkbikini said:

    coopster_the_1st said:

    First.Aspect said:

    coopster_the_1st said:

    Looks like it is another evening of this in this thread :smiley:


    What do you stand for?

    The nonchalant disinterest isn't a very convincing epilogue, btw. Just so you know.
    I stand for respecting democratic outcomes and respecting the position of POTUS. Disrespecting POTUS is disrespectful of the US electorate, despite who is POTUS at the time. The disrespect and disgraceful actions from the likes of Sadiq Khan and the former speaker of the HoC's was a new low and said more about them, which in hindsight has proved to be correct.
    Sorry, I rarely get involved in this low-level mudslinging, but to hear you talk of ‘respect’ for democratically-elected representatives is ridiculous. If I could be bothered I’d quote your hundreds of comments denigrating the UK government’s response to a pandemic. From what I can tell you respect very little. That’s fine, challenging views is important. Hypocrisy is not.
    As I vote for my democratically-elected representatives, and they are the ones imposing stupid rules on me, I have a right to call out their stupid decisions. And will continue to do so.

    I have made little comment on how the US is handling the pandemic, and definitely not disrespected their politicians.

    As it is relevant to the thread, I call out your hypocrisy claim as fake news :smile:
  • elbowloh
    elbowloh Posts: 7,078
    coopster_the_1st said:

    First.Aspect said:

    coopster_the_1st said:

    First.Aspect said:

    coopster_the_1st said:

    Looks like it is another evening of this in this thread :smiley:


    What do you stand for?

    The nonchalant disinterest isn't a very convincing epilogue, btw. Just so you know.
    I stand for respecting democratic outcomes and respecting the position of POTUS. Disrespecting POTUS is disrespectful of the US electorate, despite who is POTUS at the time. The disrespect and disgraceful actions from the likes of Sadiq Khan and the former speaker of the HoC's was a new low and said more about them, which in hindsight has proved to be correct.
    This presupposes that the electorate *knew* they had elected a sociopathic racist though doesn't it.

    Bit like brexit. Lets all pretend everyone *knew* it would all come down to hard Brexit vs fishing quotas.
    Haven't 70m American's voted for, as you label him the "sociopathic racist" again?

    We don't live in their shoes, so we don't know their reasons for voting the way they have, but I don't think 70m people can be seen as wrong because of their political views. It's just the other side have won this time.

    Ironic that you bring up Brexit in a US orientated thread. Both Republicans and Democrats would be 100% Leavers as they would never allow their politicians to transfer powers to EU like political experiment.
    Politics is so partisan in the US that a party could put up a mouldy cabbage as their candidate and the party faithful would still vote for them in their millions . Tbf, it happens here too.

    I don't agree on your point about Brexit.

    The USA is a federation! Each state transferred much of their power to the Federal Government.
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  • kingstongraham
    kingstongraham Posts: 28,152
    coopster_the_1st said:

    pinkbikini said:

    coopster_the_1st said:

    First.Aspect said:

    coopster_the_1st said:

    Looks like it is another evening of this in this thread :smiley:


    What do you stand for?

    The nonchalant disinterest isn't a very convincing epilogue, btw. Just so you know.
    I stand for respecting democratic outcomes and respecting the position of POTUS. Disrespecting POTUS is disrespectful of the US electorate, despite who is POTUS at the time. The disrespect and disgraceful actions from the likes of Sadiq Khan and the former speaker of the HoC's was a new low and said more about them, which in hindsight has proved to be correct.
    Sorry, I rarely get involved in this low-level mudslinging, but to hear you talk of ‘respect’ for democratically-elected representatives is ridiculous. If I could be bothered I’d quote your hundreds of comments denigrating the UK government’s response to a pandemic. From what I can tell you respect very little. That’s fine, challenging views is important. Hypocrisy is not.
    As I vote for my democratically-elected representatives, and they are the ones imposing stupid rules on me, I have a right to call out their stupid decisions. And will continue to do so.

    I have made little comment on how the US is handling the pandemic, and definitely not disrespected their politicians.

    As it is relevant to the thread, I call out your hypocrisy claim as fake news :smile:
    And Scotland's duly elected leader?
  • coopster_the_1st
    coopster_the_1st Posts: 5,158
    First.Aspect said:

    coopster_the_1st said:

    First.Aspect said:

    coopster_the_1st said:

    First.Aspect said:

    coopster_the_1st said:

    Looks like it is another evening of this in this thread :smiley:


    What do you stand for?

    The nonchalant disinterest isn't a very convincing epilogue, btw. Just so you know.
    I stand for respecting democratic outcomes and respecting the position of POTUS. Disrespecting POTUS is disrespectful of the US electorate, despite who is POTUS at the time. The disrespect and disgraceful actions from the likes of Sadiq Khan and the former speaker of the HoC's was a new low and said more about them, which in hindsight has proved to be correct.
    This presupposes that the electorate *knew* they had elected a sociopathic racist though doesn't it.

    Bit like brexit. Lets all pretend everyone *knew* it would all come down to hard Brexit vs fishing quotas.
    Haven't 70m American's voted for, as you label him the "sociopathic racist" again?

    We don't live in their shoes, so we don't know their reasons for voting the way they have, but I don't think 70m people can be seen as wrong because of their political views. It's just the other side have won this time.

    Ironic that you bring up Brexit in a US orientated thread. Both Republicans and Democrats would be 100% Leavers as they would never allow their politicians to transfer powers to EU like political experiment.
    Look up Biden's contemporaneous comments on Brexit.

    Moron.
    So he will lead the US to join the EU over the next 4 years then?

    You are the moron if you think Democrats are pro being a member of the EU as they would never sign up to that themselves
  • orraloon
    orraloon Posts: 13,227
    thegreatdivide said:

    pinno said:

    briantrumpet said:

    nickice said:

    pblakeney said:

    nickice said:

    In terms of policy, and only policy, how does Donald Trump compare to any other Republican president or any other president for that matter?

    You'd have to find the policy first.
    It's been hidden behind on the wing speeches and tweets.
    He's an awful man and very unpresidential but there are some areas he's done quite well in (compared to other presidents). He hasn't led the US into any new wars for starters. His foreign policy, if separated from the man, is probably relatively successful.
    ...and probably wants to avoid real wars where he's got property.
    .
    Yep, never waged war on Scotland.

    Never try and wage war on Ayrshire and Aberdeenshire. Actual mad b4astards.

    Hey min. Born in one, lived in the other. Bring on the Orange Khunt.
  • coopster_the_1st
    coopster_the_1st Posts: 5,158
    Pross said:

    coopster_the_1st said:

    First.Aspect said:

    coopster_the_1st said:

    Looks like it is another evening of this in this thread :smiley:


    What do you stand for?

    The nonchalant disinterest isn't a very convincing epilogue, btw. Just so you know.
    I stand for respecting democratic outcomes and respecting the position of POTUS. Disrespecting POTUS is disrespectful of the US electorate, despite who is POTUS at the time. The disrespect and disgraceful actions from the likes of Sadiq Khan and the former speaker of the HoC's was a new low and said more about them, which in hindsight has proved to be correct.
    This is hilarious, you plainly thought on Wednesday morning that Trump was going to win and you'd be able to wind people up. Now reality has dawned and you come up with that sanctimonious bollox. The person who has most disrespected the position of POTUS, as you put it, over the last 4 years is Trump. Blatant nepotism to put family in political positions, riding roughshod over due process and generally bringing the position into disrepute.
    You'll be able to find the post where i said Trump would win then?

    Or the reality is that I posted when it looked like it was not going to be the expected landslide, because of shy Trump voters, and I was going to enjoy the emotional roller-coaster of those who are so overly emotionally invested in something they have no control over, get into a their usual tizzy fits.

    And I was right, and it is still happening, even after Trump has lost :smiley:
  • rick_chasey
    rick_chasey Posts: 75,661
    There also this

    (Which is an outstanding book by the way)
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  • coopster_the_1st
    coopster_the_1st Posts: 5,158
    elbowloh said:

    coopster_the_1st said:

    First.Aspect said:

    coopster_the_1st said:

    First.Aspect said:

    coopster_the_1st said:

    Looks like it is another evening of this in this thread :smiley:


    What do you stand for?

    The nonchalant disinterest isn't a very convincing epilogue, btw. Just so you know.
    I stand for respecting democratic outcomes and respecting the position of POTUS. Disrespecting POTUS is disrespectful of the US electorate, despite who is POTUS at the time. The disrespect and disgraceful actions from the likes of Sadiq Khan and the former speaker of the HoC's was a new low and said more about them, which in hindsight has proved to be correct.
    This presupposes that the electorate *knew* they had elected a sociopathic racist though doesn't it.

    Bit like brexit. Lets all pretend everyone *knew* it would all come down to hard Brexit vs fishing quotas.
    Haven't 70m American's voted for, as you label him the "sociopathic racist" again?

    We don't live in their shoes, so we don't know their reasons for voting the way they have, but I don't think 70m people can be seen as wrong because of their political views. It's just the other side have won this time.

    Ironic that you bring up Brexit in a US orientated thread. Both Republicans and Democrats would be 100% Leavers as they would never allow their politicians to transfer powers to EU like political experiment.
    Politics is so partisan in the US that a party could put up a mouldy cabbage as their candidate and the party faithful would still vote for them in their millions . Tbf, it happens here too.

    I don't agree on your point about Brexit.

    The USA is a federation! Each state transferred much of their power to the Federal Government.
    Simple point on the US and Brexit that will prove my point.

    There would be no Americans that would allow the ECJ to be a higher legal power than the US Supreme Court. Just one of the many EU powers that both Democrats and Republicans would never agree to.
  • First.Aspect
    First.Aspect Posts: 17,167
    coopster_the_1st said:

    First.Aspect said:

    coopster_the_1st said:

    First.Aspect said:

    coopster_the_1st said:

    First.Aspect said:

    coopster_the_1st said:

    Looks like it is another evening of this in this thread :smiley:


    What do you stand for?

    The nonchalant disinterest isn't a very convincing epilogue, btw. Just so you know.
    I stand for respecting democratic outcomes and respecting the position of POTUS. Disrespecting POTUS is disrespectful of the US electorate, despite who is POTUS at the time. The disrespect and disgraceful actions from the likes of Sadiq Khan and the former speaker of the HoC's was a new low and said more about them, which in hindsight has proved to be correct.
    This presupposes that the electorate *knew* they had elected a sociopathic racist though doesn't it.

    Bit like brexit. Lets all pretend everyone *knew* it would all come down to hard Brexit vs fishing quotas.
    Haven't 70m American's voted for, as you label him the "sociopathic racist" again?

    We don't live in their shoes, so we don't know their reasons for voting the way they have, but I don't think 70m people can be seen as wrong because of their political views. It's just the other side have won this time.

    Ironic that you bring up Brexit in a US orientated thread. Both Republicans and Democrats would be 100% Leavers as they would never allow their politicians to transfer powers to EU like political experiment.
    Look up Biden's contemporaneous comments on Brexit.

    Moron.
    So he will lead the US to join the EU over the next 4 years then?

    You are the moron if you think Democrats are pro being a member of the EU as they would never sign up to that themselves
    God almighty.
  • Pross
    Pross Posts: 43,463
    coopster_the_1st said:

    Pross said:

    coopster_the_1st said:

    First.Aspect said:

    coopster_the_1st said:

    Looks like it is another evening of this in this thread :smiley:


    What do you stand for?

    The nonchalant disinterest isn't a very convincing epilogue, btw. Just so you know.
    I stand for respecting democratic outcomes and respecting the position of POTUS. Disrespecting POTUS is disrespectful of the US electorate, despite who is POTUS at the time. The disrespect and disgraceful actions from the likes of Sadiq Khan and the former speaker of the HoC's was a new low and said more about them, which in hindsight has proved to be correct.
    This is hilarious, you plainly thought on Wednesday morning that Trump was going to win and you'd be able to wind people up. Now reality has dawned and you come up with that sanctimonious bollox. The person who has most disrespected the position of POTUS, as you put it, over the last 4 years is Trump. Blatant nepotism to put family in political positions, riding roughshod over due process and generally bringing the position into disrepute.
    You'll be able to find the post where i said Trump would win then?

    Or the reality is that I posted when it looked like it was not going to be the expected landslide, because of shy Trump voters, and I was going to enjoy the emotional roller-coaster of those who are so overly emotionally invested in something they have no control over, get into a their usual tizzy fits.

    And I was right, and it is still happening, even after Trump has lost :smiley:
    Everyone who read it knew what you were expecting but keep trying. It's very Trump like to argue black is white and decry those saying white is white as fake news :wink:

  • coopster_the_1st
    coopster_the_1st Posts: 5,158
    kingstongraham said:

    coopster_the_1st said:

    pinkbikini said:

    coopster_the_1st said:

    First.Aspect said:

    coopster_the_1st said:

    Looks like it is another evening of this in this thread :smiley:


    What do you stand for?

    The nonchalant disinterest isn't a very convincing epilogue, btw. Just so you know.
    I stand for respecting democratic outcomes and respecting the position of POTUS. Disrespecting POTUS is disrespectful of the US electorate, despite who is POTUS at the time. The disrespect and disgraceful actions from the likes of Sadiq Khan and the former speaker of the HoC's was a new low and said more about them, which in hindsight has proved to be correct.
    Sorry, I rarely get involved in this low-level mudslinging, but to hear you talk of ‘respect’ for democratically-elected representatives is ridiculous. If I could be bothered I’d quote your hundreds of comments denigrating the UK government’s response to a pandemic. From what I can tell you respect very little. That’s fine, challenging views is important. Hypocrisy is not.
    As I vote for my democratically-elected representatives, and they are the ones imposing stupid rules on me, I have a right to call out their stupid decisions. And will continue to do so.

    I have made little comment on how the US is handling the pandemic, and definitely not disrespected their politicians.

    As it is relevant to the thread, I call out your hypocrisy claim as fake news :smile:
    And Scotland's duly elected leader?
    I and everyone else in the UK is going to have to pay for her mistakes. The same applies for that other parish councillor in Wales.
  • First.Aspect
    First.Aspect Posts: 17,167
    coopster_the_1st said:

    kingstongraham said:

    coopster_the_1st said:

    pinkbikini said:

    coopster_the_1st said:

    First.Aspect said:

    coopster_the_1st said:

    Looks like it is another evening of this in this thread :smiley:


    What do you stand for?

    The nonchalant disinterest isn't a very convincing epilogue, btw. Just so you know.
    I stand for respecting democratic outcomes and respecting the position of POTUS. Disrespecting POTUS is disrespectful of the US electorate, despite who is POTUS at the time. The disrespect and disgraceful actions from the likes of Sadiq Khan and the former speaker of the HoC's was a new low and said more about them, which in hindsight has proved to be correct.
    Sorry, I rarely get involved in this low-level mudslinging, but to hear you talk of ‘respect’ for democratically-elected representatives is ridiculous. If I could be bothered I’d quote your hundreds of comments denigrating the UK government’s response to a pandemic. From what I can tell you respect very little. That’s fine, challenging views is important. Hypocrisy is not.
    As I vote for my democratically-elected representatives, and they are the ones imposing stupid rules on me, I have a right to call out their stupid decisions. And will continue to do so.

    I have made little comment on how the US is handling the pandemic, and definitely not disrespected their politicians.

    As it is relevant to the thread, I call out your hypocrisy claim as fake news :smile:
    And Scotland's duly elected leader?
    I and everyone else in the UK is going to have to pay for her mistakes. The same applies for that other parish councillor in Wales.
    So in your mind noing the US does has any effect on you?
  • coopster_the_1st
    coopster_the_1st Posts: 5,158
    Another forecast:

    We'll be at peak hypocrisy on here over the next couple of weeks when the Remoaners start complaining about Trump trying to use the legal system to overturn the result of a democratic election :smiley::smiley:
  • rick_chasey
    rick_chasey Posts: 75,661
    edited November 2020


    Really enjoying these videos of New York celebrating.

    Still love that place.
    _
  • kingstongraham
    kingstongraham Posts: 28,152
    coopster_the_1st said:

    Another forecast:

    We'll be at peak hypocrisy on here over the next couple of weeks when the Remoaners start complaining about Trump trying to use the legal system to overturn the result of a democratic election :smiley::smiley:

    He's entirely at liberty to bring lawsuits where they have merit.

    It might even make it more interesting to see him try to make it work in 5 different states. That's when people will be laughing at him.

    Like Clinton did 4 years ago, you've got to take the loss when you're beaten according to the rules of the game.
  • pinkbikini
    pinkbikini Posts: 876
    coopster_the_1st said:

    pinkbikini said:

    coopster_the_1st said:

    First.Aspect said:

    coopster_the_1st said:

    Looks like it is another evening of this in this thread :smiley:


    What do you stand for?

    The nonchalant disinterest isn't a very convincing epilogue, btw. Just so you know.
    I stand for respecting democratic outcomes and respecting the position of POTUS. Disrespecting POTUS is disrespectful of the US electorate, despite who is POTUS at the time. The disrespect and disgraceful actions from the likes of Sadiq Khan and the former speaker of the HoC's was a new low and said more about them, which in hindsight has proved to be correct.
    Sorry, I rarely get involved in this low-level mudslinging, but to hear you talk of ‘respect’ for democratically-elected representatives is ridiculous. If I could be bothered I’d quote your hundreds of comments denigrating the UK government’s response to a pandemic. From what I can tell you respect very little. That’s fine, challenging views is important. Hypocrisy is not.
    As I vote for my democratically-elected representatives, and they are the ones imposing stupid rules on me, I have a right to call out their stupid decisions. And will continue to do so.

    I have made little comment on how the US is handling the pandemic, and definitely not disrespected their politicians.

    As it is relevant to the thread, I call out your hypocrisy claim as fake news :smile:
    Ah, got it. No comments allowed from anyone unless it’s a country in which you can vote. Foreign policy must be an alien concept then 🙄
  • elbowloh
    elbowloh Posts: 7,078
    coopster_the_1st said:

    elbowloh said:

    coopster_the_1st said:

    First.Aspect said:

    coopster_the_1st said:

    First.Aspect said:

    coopster_the_1st said:

    Looks like it is another evening of this in this thread :smiley:


    What do you stand for?

    The nonchalant disinterest isn't a very convincing epilogue, btw. Just so you know.
    I stand for respecting democratic outcomes and respecting the position of POTUS. Disrespecting POTUS is disrespectful of the US electorate, despite who is POTUS at the time. The disrespect and disgraceful actions from the likes of Sadiq Khan and the former speaker of the HoC's was a new low and said more about them, which in hindsight has proved to be correct.
    This presupposes that the electorate *knew* they had elected a sociopathic racist though doesn't it.

    Bit like brexit. Lets all pretend everyone *knew* it would all come down to hard Brexit vs fishing quotas.
    Haven't 70m American's voted for, as you label him the "sociopathic racist" again?

    We don't live in their shoes, so we don't know their reasons for voting the way they have, but I don't think 70m people can be seen as wrong because of their political views. It's just the other side have won this time.

    Ironic that you bring up Brexit in a US orientated thread. Both Republicans and Democrats would be 100% Leavers as they would never allow their politicians to transfer powers to EU like political experiment.
    Politics is so partisan in the US that a party could put up a mouldy cabbage as their candidate and the party faithful would still vote for them in their millions . Tbf, it happens here too.

    I don't agree on your point about Brexit.

    The USA is a federation! Each state transferred much of their power to the Federal Government.
    Simple point on the US and Brexit that will prove my point.

    There would be no Americans that would allow the ECJ to be a higher legal power than the US Supreme Court. Just one of the many EU powers that both Democrats and Republicans would never agree to.
    Your point was wrong.

    Each state has their own Supreme Court...they just aren't supreme though as they bow to the Federal Supreme Court.
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    coopster_the_1st said:

    Another forecast:

    We'll be at peak hypocrisy on here over the next couple of weeks when the Remoaners start complaining about Trump trying to use the legal system to overturn the result of a democratic election :smiley::smiley:

    No they won't complain. They'll watch with the popcorn out as each judge throws out the case as there is no evidence.
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    Pross said:

    coopster_the_1st said:

    Pross said:

    coopster_the_1st said:

    First.Aspect said:

    coopster_the_1st said:

    Looks like it is another evening of this in this thread :smiley:


    What do you stand for?

    The nonchalant disinterest isn't a very convincing epilogue, btw. Just so you know.
    I stand for respecting democratic outcomes and respecting the position of POTUS. Disrespecting POTUS is disrespectful of the US electorate, despite who is POTUS at the time. The disrespect and disgraceful actions from the likes of Sadiq Khan and the former speaker of the HoC's was a new low and said more about them, which in hindsight has proved to be correct.
    This is hilarious, you plainly thought on Wednesday morning that Trump was going to win and you'd be able to wind people up. Now reality has dawned and you come up with that sanctimonious bollox. The person who has most disrespected the position of POTUS, as you put it, over the last 4 years is Trump. Blatant nepotism to put family in political positions, riding roughshod over due process and generally bringing the position into disrepute.
    You'll be able to find the post where i said Trump would win then?

    Or the reality is that I posted when it looked like it was not going to be the expected landslide, because of shy Trump voters, and I was going to enjoy the emotional roller-coaster of those who are so overly emotionally invested in something they have no control over, get into a their usual tizzy fits.

    And I was right, and it is still happening, even after Trump has lost :smiley:
    Everyone who read it knew what you were expecting but keep trying. It's very Trump like to argue black is white and decry those saying white is white as fake news :wink:

    It didn't matter to me if Trump won or lost. Didn't then and doesn't now. But I see from your post you are so emotionally involved in the outcome that it wound you up enough to comment :tongue: Makes my point perfectly on the popcorn gif :smiley:
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    kingstongraham said:

    coopster_the_1st said:

    Another forecast:

    We'll be at peak hypocrisy on here over the next couple of weeks when the Remoaners start complaining about Trump trying to use the legal system to overturn the result of a democratic election :smiley::smiley:

    He's entirely at liberty to bring lawsuits where they have merit.

    It might even make it more interesting to see him try to make it work in 5 different states. That's when people will be laughing at him.

    Like Clinton did 4 years ago, you've got to take the loss when you're beaten according to the rules of the game.
    May as well start using this with the above post


  • kingstongraham
    kingstongraham Posts: 28,152
    One of the Trump lawsuits was in Michigan, where he lost by 147,897 votes. The lawsuit demanded that counting be stopped. It was rejected mostly on the basis that counting has already finished.
  • coopster_the_1st
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    elbowloh said:

    coopster_the_1st said:

    elbowloh said:

    coopster_the_1st said:

    First.Aspect said:

    coopster_the_1st said:

    First.Aspect said:

    coopster_the_1st said:

    Looks like it is another evening of this in this thread :smiley:


    What do you stand for?

    The nonchalant disinterest isn't a very convincing epilogue, btw. Just so you know.
    I stand for respecting democratic outcomes and respecting the position of POTUS. Disrespecting POTUS is disrespectful of the US electorate, despite who is POTUS at the time. The disrespect and disgraceful actions from the likes of Sadiq Khan and the former speaker of the HoC's was a new low and said more about them, which in hindsight has proved to be correct.
    This presupposes that the electorate *knew* they had elected a sociopathic racist though doesn't it.

    Bit like brexit. Lets all pretend everyone *knew* it would all come down to hard Brexit vs fishing quotas.
    Haven't 70m American's voted for, as you label him the "sociopathic racist" again?

    We don't live in their shoes, so we don't know their reasons for voting the way they have, but I don't think 70m people can be seen as wrong because of their political views. It's just the other side have won this time.

    Ironic that you bring up Brexit in a US orientated thread. Both Republicans and Democrats would be 100% Leavers as they would never allow their politicians to transfer powers to EU like political experiment.
    Politics is so partisan in the US that a party could put up a mouldy cabbage as their candidate and the party faithful would still vote for them in their millions . Tbf, it happens here too.

    I don't agree on your point about Brexit.

    The USA is a federation! Each state transferred much of their power to the Federal Government.
    Simple point on the US and Brexit that will prove my point.

    There would be no Americans that would allow the ECJ to be a higher legal power than the US Supreme Court. Just one of the many EU powers that both Democrats and Republicans would never agree to.
    Your point was wrong.

    Each state has their own Supreme Court...they just aren't supreme though as they bow to the Federal Supreme Court.
    And the Federal Supreme Count is the highest court in the country of the USA. There is no supranational Court above it.

    That makes my point correct and we'll end it here now you have learnt something. I've spent 4 years owning the remoaners and their incorrect views and I'm not going to waste more time doing it on the wrong thread.

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