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I see coop was disappointed with people's reactions to the election and has just started shitposting so he can claim that anyone pointing out how stupid his posts are are reacting just as he predicted.
The ever narrowing definitions of what we're allowed to comment on are fun to watch unfold.- Genesis Croix de Fer
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Rather ironically, you are wrong on this as well looking back at my post.elbowloh said:
No they won't complain. They'll watch with the popcorn out as each judge throws out the case as there is no evidence.coopster_the_1st said:Another forecast:
We'll be at peak hypocrisy on here over the next couple of weeks when the Remoaners start complaining about Trump trying to use the legal system to overturn the result of a democratic election
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A federal union of states, you say?coopster_the_1st said:
And the Federal Supreme Count is the highest court in the country of the USA. There is no supranational Court above it.elbowloh said:
Your point was wrong.coopster_the_1st said:
Simple point on the US and Brexit that will prove my point.elbowloh said:
Politics is so partisan in the US that a party could put up a mouldy cabbage as their candidate and the party faithful would still vote for them in their millions . Tbf, it happens here too.coopster_the_1st said:
Haven't 70m American's voted for, as you label him the "sociopathic racist" again?First.Aspect said:
This presupposes that the electorate *knew* they had elected a sociopathic racist though doesn't it.coopster_the_1st said:
I stand for respecting democratic outcomes and respecting the position of POTUS. Disrespecting POTUS is disrespectful of the US electorate, despite who is POTUS at the time. The disrespect and disgraceful actions from the likes of Sadiq Khan and the former speaker of the HoC's was a new low and said more about them, which in hindsight has proved to be correct.First.Aspect said:
What do you stand for?coopster_the_1st said:Looks like it is another evening of this in this thread
The nonchalant disinterest isn't a very convincing epilogue, btw. Just so you know.
Bit like brexit. Lets all pretend everyone *knew* it would all come down to hard Brexit vs fishing quotas.
We don't live in their shoes, so we don't know their reasons for voting the way they have, but I don't think 70m people can be seen as wrong because of their political views. It's just the other side have won this time.
Ironic that you bring up Brexit in a US orientated thread. Both Republicans and Democrats would be 100% Leavers as they would never allow their politicians to transfer powers to EU like political experiment.
I don't agree on your point about Brexit.
The USA is a federation! Each state transferred much of their power to the Federal Government.
There would be no Americans that would allow the ECJ to be a higher legal power than the US Supreme Court. Just one of the many EU powers that both Democrats and Republicans would never agree to.
Each state has their own Supreme Court...they just aren't supreme though as they bow to the Federal Supreme Court.
That makes my point correct and we'll end it here now you have learnt something. I've spent 4 years owning the remoaners and their incorrect views and I'm not going to waste more time doing it on the wrong thread.0 -
Didn’t really need to do it and it didn’t do what stimulus ought to.surrey_commuter said:
With interest rates at record low levels why don’t you support borrowing to boost growth?rick_chasey said:
Bit disappointed you felt it was a rant.Dorset_Boy said:
Further up thread someone suggested he had destabilised the world. I countered that he hadn't.nickice said:
He's an awful man and very unpresidential but there are some areas he's done quite well in (compared to other presidents). He hasn't led the US into any new wars for starters. His foreign policy, if separated from the man, is probably relatively successful.pblakeney said:
You'd have to find the policy first.nickice said:In terms of policy, and only policy, how does Donald Trump compare to any other Republican president or any other president for that matter?
It's been hidden behind on the wing speeches and tweets.
Rick then ranted with a list of 'bad' foreign policy actions.
None of them had destabilised the world, and possibly actually had the opposite effect - eg engaging with N Korea, even though it is a horrible dictatorship, or pulling out of Syria and therefore not having conflict with Russia, even if it isn't a great result for moderates and ordinary citizens.
The Syrian withdrawal was one of the worst betrayals of an ally, the Kurds anyone has seen in a generation and it played right into the hands of his favourite despots Erdogan and Putin so I’m disappointed you see the hasty Syrian withdrawal. It was properly disgraceful.
I think Trump’s policies on the Mexican border were atrocious.
His dismantling of the climate change policies in the US are obviously problematic.
His general (mis)management of the functions and institutions in the US, which I’d argue is a policy, has eroded a chunk of the functionality of the state - a whole host remained either unmanned or run by people who were so ill suited to the role (by background).
The fiscal stimulus was very badly timed - pro cyclical and ineffective given the cost because it was generous to very well off and not much else.
Above all though the tearing up of the pandemic preparations and having a president indulge in conspiracy theories, refusing to set an example re masks (and turning it into a political issue) refusing to take the pandemic seriously in the early phase etc etc has been very costly
Could have done with the extra headroom going into rona for chunkier stimulus0 -
Keep trying, this is getting properly funny now. I might need some popcorn myself as I watch you wriggle and backtrack.coopster_the_1st said:
It didn't matter to me if Trump won or lost. Didn't then and doesn't now. But I see from your post you are so emotionally involved in the outcome that it wound you up enough to commentPross said:
Everyone who read it knew what you were expecting but keep trying. It's very Trump like to argue black is white and decry those saying white is white as fake newscoopster_the_1st said:
You'll be able to find the post where i said Trump would win then?Pross said:
This is hilarious, you plainly thought on Wednesday morning that Trump was going to win and you'd be able to wind people up. Now reality has dawned and you come up with that sanctimonious bollox. The person who has most disrespected the position of POTUS, as you put it, over the last 4 years is Trump. Blatant nepotism to put family in political positions, riding roughshod over due process and generally bringing the position into disrepute.coopster_the_1st said:
I stand for respecting democratic outcomes and respecting the position of POTUS. Disrespecting POTUS is disrespectful of the US electorate, despite who is POTUS at the time. The disrespect and disgraceful actions from the likes of Sadiq Khan and the former speaker of the HoC's was a new low and said more about them, which in hindsight has proved to be correct.First.Aspect said:
What do you stand for?coopster_the_1st said:Looks like it is another evening of this in this thread
The nonchalant disinterest isn't a very convincing epilogue, btw. Just so you know.
Or the reality is that I posted when it looked like it was not going to be the expected landslide, because of shy Trump voters, and I was going to enjoy the emotional roller-coaster of those who are so overly emotionally invested in something they have no control over, get into a their usual tizzy fits.
And I was right, and it is still happening, even after Trump has lost
Makes my point perfectly on the popcorn gif 0 -
Are these states, countries?kingstongraham said:
A federal union of states, you say?coopster_the_1st said:
And the Federal Supreme Count is the highest court in the country of the USA. There is no supranational Court above it.elbowloh said:
Your point was wrong.coopster_the_1st said:
Simple point on the US and Brexit that will prove my point.elbowloh said:
Politics is so partisan in the US that a party could put up a mouldy cabbage as their candidate and the party faithful would still vote for them in their millions . Tbf, it happens here too.coopster_the_1st said:
Haven't 70m American's voted for, as you label him the "sociopathic racist" again?First.Aspect said:
This presupposes that the electorate *knew* they had elected a sociopathic racist though doesn't it.coopster_the_1st said:
I stand for respecting democratic outcomes and respecting the position of POTUS. Disrespecting POTUS is disrespectful of the US electorate, despite who is POTUS at the time. The disrespect and disgraceful actions from the likes of Sadiq Khan and the former speaker of the HoC's was a new low and said more about them, which in hindsight has proved to be correct.First.Aspect said:
What do you stand for?coopster_the_1st said:Looks like it is another evening of this in this thread
The nonchalant disinterest isn't a very convincing epilogue, btw. Just so you know.
Bit like brexit. Lets all pretend everyone *knew* it would all come down to hard Brexit vs fishing quotas.
We don't live in their shoes, so we don't know their reasons for voting the way they have, but I don't think 70m people can be seen as wrong because of their political views. It's just the other side have won this time.
Ironic that you bring up Brexit in a US orientated thread. Both Republicans and Democrats would be 100% Leavers as they would never allow their politicians to transfer powers to EU like political experiment.
I don't agree on your point about Brexit.
The USA is a federation! Each state transferred much of their power to the Federal Government.
There would be no Americans that would allow the ECJ to be a higher legal power than the US Supreme Court. Just one of the many EU powers that both Democrats and Republicans would never agree to.
Each state has their own Supreme Court...they just aren't supreme though as they bow to the Federal Supreme Court.
That makes my point correct and we'll end it here now you have learnt something. I've spent 4 years owning the remoaners and their incorrect views and I'm not going to waste more time doing it on the wrong thread.
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You'll be able to find the post where I said Trump would win that I am trying to backtrack from then?Pross said:
Keep trying, this is getting properly funny now. I might need some popcorn myself as I watch you wriggle and backtrack.coopster_the_1st said:
It didn't matter to me if Trump won or lost. Didn't then and doesn't now. But I see from your post you are so emotionally involved in the outcome that it wound you up enough to commentPross said:
Everyone who read it knew what you were expecting but keep trying. It's very Trump like to argue black is white and decry those saying white is white as fake newscoopster_the_1st said:
You'll be able to find the post where i said Trump would win then?Pross said:
This is hilarious, you plainly thought on Wednesday morning that Trump was going to win and you'd be able to wind people up. Now reality has dawned and you come up with that sanctimonious bollox. The person who has most disrespected the position of POTUS, as you put it, over the last 4 years is Trump. Blatant nepotism to put family in political positions, riding roughshod over due process and generally bringing the position into disrepute.coopster_the_1st said:
I stand for respecting democratic outcomes and respecting the position of POTUS. Disrespecting POTUS is disrespectful of the US electorate, despite who is POTUS at the time. The disrespect and disgraceful actions from the likes of Sadiq Khan and the former speaker of the HoC's was a new low and said more about them, which in hindsight has proved to be correct.First.Aspect said:
What do you stand for?coopster_the_1st said:Looks like it is another evening of this in this thread
The nonchalant disinterest isn't a very convincing epilogue, btw. Just so you know.
Or the reality is that I posted when it looked like it was not going to be the expected landslide, because of shy Trump voters, and I was going to enjoy the emotional roller-coaster of those who are so overly emotionally invested in something they have no control over, get into a their usual tizzy fits.
And I was right, and it is still happening, even after Trump has lost Makes my point perfectly on the popcorn gif 0 -
Ask johnsey if Texas used to be a country.coopster_the_1st said:
Are these states, countries?kingstongraham said:
A federal union of states, you say?coopster_the_1st said:
And the Federal Supreme Count is the highest court in the country of the USA. There is no supranational Court above it.elbowloh said:
Your point was wrong.coopster_the_1st said:
Simple point on the US and Brexit that will prove my point.elbowloh said:
Politics is so partisan in the US that a party could put up a mouldy cabbage as their candidate and the party faithful would still vote for them in their millions . Tbf, it happens here too.coopster_the_1st said:
Haven't 70m American's voted for, as you label him the "sociopathic racist" again?First.Aspect said:
This presupposes that the electorate *knew* they had elected a sociopathic racist though doesn't it.coopster_the_1st said:
I stand for respecting democratic outcomes and respecting the position of POTUS. Disrespecting POTUS is disrespectful of the US electorate, despite who is POTUS at the time. The disrespect and disgraceful actions from the likes of Sadiq Khan and the former speaker of the HoC's was a new low and said more about them, which in hindsight has proved to be correct.First.Aspect said:
What do you stand for?coopster_the_1st said:Looks like it is another evening of this in this thread
The nonchalant disinterest isn't a very convincing epilogue, btw. Just so you know.
Bit like brexit. Lets all pretend everyone *knew* it would all come down to hard Brexit vs fishing quotas.
We don't live in their shoes, so we don't know their reasons for voting the way they have, but I don't think 70m people can be seen as wrong because of their political views. It's just the other side have won this time.
Ironic that you bring up Brexit in a US orientated thread. Both Republicans and Democrats would be 100% Leavers as they would never allow their politicians to transfer powers to EU like political experiment.
I don't agree on your point about Brexit.
The USA is a federation! Each state transferred much of their power to the Federal Government.
There would be no Americans that would allow the ECJ to be a higher legal power than the US Supreme Court. Just one of the many EU powers that both Democrats and Republicans would never agree to.
Each state has their own Supreme Court...they just aren't supreme though as they bow to the Federal Supreme Court.
That makes my point correct and we'll end it here now you have learnt something. I've spent 4 years owning the remoaners and their incorrect views and I'm not going to waste more time doing it on the wrong thread.
As it was in the case with the UK and the EU0 -
Ah, they're all coming out of the playbook now. The latest is the 'I didn't say that' when everyone could see what you were implying.coopster_the_1st said:
You'll be able to find the post where I said Trump would win that I am trying to backtrack from then?Pross said:
Keep trying, this is getting properly funny now. I might need some popcorn myself as I watch you wriggle and backtrack.coopster_the_1st said:
It didn't matter to me if Trump won or lost. Didn't then and doesn't now. But I see from your post you are so emotionally involved in the outcome that it wound you up enough to commentPross said:
Everyone who read it knew what you were expecting but keep trying. It's very Trump like to argue black is white and decry those saying white is white as fake newscoopster_the_1st said:
You'll be able to find the post where i said Trump would win then?Pross said:
This is hilarious, you plainly thought on Wednesday morning that Trump was going to win and you'd be able to wind people up. Now reality has dawned and you come up with that sanctimonious bollox. The person who has most disrespected the position of POTUS, as you put it, over the last 4 years is Trump. Blatant nepotism to put family in political positions, riding roughshod over due process and generally bringing the position into disrepute.coopster_the_1st said:
I stand for respecting democratic outcomes and respecting the position of POTUS. Disrespecting POTUS is disrespectful of the US electorate, despite who is POTUS at the time. The disrespect and disgraceful actions from the likes of Sadiq Khan and the former speaker of the HoC's was a new low and said more about them, which in hindsight has proved to be correct.First.Aspect said:
What do you stand for?coopster_the_1st said:Looks like it is another evening of this in this thread
The nonchalant disinterest isn't a very convincing epilogue, btw. Just so you know.
Or the reality is that I posted when it looked like it was not going to be the expected landslide, because of shy Trump voters, and I was going to enjoy the emotional roller-coaster of those who are so overly emotionally invested in something they have no control over, get into a their usual tizzy fits.
And I was right, and it is still happening, even after Trump has lost Makes my point perfectly on the popcorn gif
God knows what will happen if the Government caves in its Brexit negotiation!0 -
Yes. The Republic of Texas 1836 - 1845. Joined the union by treaty, the only state allowed to fly its flag the same height as the national standard. In theory the United States of America is a union of sovereign states. The Civil War proved this not to be the case.kingstongraham said:
Ask johnsey if Texas used to be a country.coopster_the_1st said:
Are these states, countries?kingstongraham said:
A federal union of states, you say?coopster_the_1st said:
And the Federal Supreme Count is the highest court in the country of the USA. There is no supranational Court above it.elbowloh said:
Your point was wrong.coopster_the_1st said:
Simple point on the US and Brexit that will prove my point.elbowloh said:
Politics is so partisan in the US that a party could put up a mouldy cabbage as their candidate and the party faithful would still vote for them in their millions . Tbf, it happens here too.coopster_the_1st said:
Haven't 70m American's voted for, as you label him the "sociopathic racist" again?First.Aspect said:
This presupposes that the electorate *knew* they had elected a sociopathic racist though doesn't it.coopster_the_1st said:
I stand for respecting democratic outcomes and respecting the position of POTUS. Disrespecting POTUS is disrespectful of the US electorate, despite who is POTUS at the time. The disrespect and disgraceful actions from the likes of Sadiq Khan and the former speaker of the HoC's was a new low and said more about them, which in hindsight has proved to be correct.First.Aspect said:
What do you stand for?coopster_the_1st said:Looks like it is another evening of this in this thread
The nonchalant disinterest isn't a very convincing epilogue, btw. Just so you know.
Bit like brexit. Lets all pretend everyone *knew* it would all come down to hard Brexit vs fishing quotas.
We don't live in their shoes, so we don't know their reasons for voting the way they have, but I don't think 70m people can be seen as wrong because of their political views. It's just the other side have won this time.
Ironic that you bring up Brexit in a US orientated thread. Both Republicans and Democrats would be 100% Leavers as they would never allow their politicians to transfer powers to EU like political experiment.
I don't agree on your point about Brexit.
The USA is a federation! Each state transferred much of their power to the Federal Government.
There would be no Americans that would allow the ECJ to be a higher legal power than the US Supreme Court. Just one of the many EU powers that both Democrats and Republicans would never agree to.
Each state has their own Supreme Court...they just aren't supreme though as they bow to the Federal Supreme Court.
That makes my point correct and we'll end it here now you have learnt something. I've spent 4 years owning the remoaners and their incorrect views and I'm not going to waste more time doing it on the wrong thread.
As it was in the case with the UK and the EU
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Coopster never said he wanted trump to win. He said that the democrats did everything wrong and nominated the wrong person, even though all the others would have been wrong too, and that's why they are going to lose to Trump again.0
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One lawsuit in Pennsylvania demands that ballots arriving after election day are segregated, presumably because they will be favourable to Biden.
They already were being segregated, and aren't included in the totals yet, and he's losing by 37,469.0 -
From the commentary I have heard this could change the outcome of the result in Pennsylvania as it was submitted to the Supreme Court on 28th Sept and is awaiting a hearing/judgement.kingstongraham said:One of the Trump lawsuits was in Michigan, where he lost by 147,897 votes. The lawsuit demanded that counting be stopped. It was rejected mostly on the basis that counting has already finished.
https://www.scotusblog.com/case-files/cases/republican-party-of-pennsylvania-v-boockvar-2/
(It is whether postal votes can be counted if received after 8pm on the day of the election)
It does sound like there could be a lot of things tested in the courts if Trump is that way inclined.0 -
See above. There's not enough of them, and they haven't included them in the numbers yet anyway. And it's been rejected twice already.coopster_the_1st said:
From the commentary I have heard this could change the outcome of the result in Pennsylvania as it was submitted to the Supreme Court on 28th Sept and is awaiting a hearing/judgement.kingstongraham said:One of the Trump lawsuits was in Michigan, where he lost by 147,897 votes. The lawsuit demanded that counting be stopped. It was rejected mostly on the basis that counting has already finished.
https://www.scotusblog.com/case-files/cases/republican-party-of-pennsylvania-v-boockvar-2/
(It is whether postal votes can be counted if received after 8pm on the day of the election)
It does sound like there could be a lot of things tested in the courts if Trump is that way inclined.1 -
He hasn't got the numbers. It's that simple. He can waste his supporters' money if he likes, but he lost by too much for it to come through. 306 electoral college votes is how many he won in his "landslide" in 2016. This time Biden also got more votes.0
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You started well but then went down the fake news route.kingstongraham said:Coopster never said he wanted trump to win. He said that the democrats did everything wrong and nominated the wrong person, even though all the others would have been wrong too, and that's why they are going to lose to Trump again.
I said both candidates were awful, with Biden being only slightly better than H Clinton but that is not difficult.
This should have been a Democrat slam dunk win with any sort of decent candidate.
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Who should they have gone with, so they could win this time?coopster_the_1st said:
You started well but then went down the fake news route.kingstongraham said:Coopster never said he wanted trump to win. He said that the democrats did everything wrong and nominated the wrong person, even though all the others would have been wrong too, and that's why they are going to lose to Trump again.
I said both candidates were awful, with Biden being only slightly better than H Clinton but that is not difficult.
This should have been a Democrat slam dunk win with any sort of decent candidate.0 -
I hate to burst your bubble but there is loads of racism in Canada. Towards the indigenous people in particular.First.Aspect said:
So I am going to call the 15% Mexican comment as racist. The *latino* population in the US is 16-18%. These are US citizens. Who don't look like John Wayne.First.Aspect said:
Do you mean Mexians oe people who look like they might be Mexicans? Sombreros and wotnot.swjohnsey said:
Yeah, atrocious. Mexicans now make up around 15% of the U.S. population. Near the border it is often 95%. Where I live only 70%.rick_chasey said:
Bit disappointed you felt it was a rant.Dorset_Boy said:
Further up thread someone suggested he had destabilised the world. I countered that he hadn't.nickice said:
He's an awful man and very unpresidential but there are some areas he's done quite well in (compared to other presidents). He hasn't led the US into any new wars for starters. His foreign policy, if separated from the man, is probably relatively successful.pblakeney said:
You'd have to find the policy first.nickice said:In terms of policy, and only policy, how does Donald Trump compare to any other Republican president or any other president for that matter?
It's been hidden behind on the wing speeches and tweets.
Rick then ranted with a list of 'bad' foreign policy actions.
None of them had destabilised the world, and possibly actually had the opposite effect - eg engaging with N Korea, even though it is a horrible dictatorship, or pulling out of Syria and therefore not having conflict with Russia, even if it isn't a great result for moderates and ordinary citizens.
The Syrian withdrawal was one of the worst betrayals of an ally, the Kurds anyone has seen in a generation and it played right into the hands of his favourite despots Erdogan and Putin so I’m disappointed you see the hasty Syrian withdrawal. It was properly disgraceful.
I think Trump’s policies on the Mexican border were atrocious.
His dismantling of the climate change policies in the US are obviously problematic.
His general (mis)management of the functions and institutions in the US, which I’d argue is a policy, has eroded a chunk of the functionality of the state - a whole host remained either unmanned or run by people who were so ill suited to the role (by background).
The fiscal stimulus was very badly timed - pro cyclical and ineffective given the cost because it was generous to very well off and not much else.
Above all though the tearing up of the pandemic preparations and having a president indulge in conspiracy theories, refusing to set an example re masks (and turning it into a political issue) refusing to take the pandemic seriously in the early phase etc etc has been very costly
I love visiting the US, but I baffled how a nation in which almost no-one is of indiginous descent can have such a clear and racist notion of "them" and "us". Particularly when there is such a tolerant nation to the north.The above may be fact, or fiction, I may be serious, I may be jesting.
I am not sure. You have no chance.Veronese68 wrote:PB is the most sensible person on here.0 -
What is the difference between borrowing to increase growth from zero to 1% rather than from 2% to 3%? If it is a good idea to exploit record low rates why set an arbitrary rate of growth? It could be argued that 3% is their long term rate of growth.rick_chasey said:
Didn’t really need to do it and it didn’t do what stimulus ought to.surrey_commuter said:
With interest rates at record low levels why don’t you support borrowing to boost growth?rick_chasey said:
Bit disappointed you felt it was a rant.Dorset_Boy said:
Further up thread someone suggested he had destabilised the world. I countered that he hadn't.nickice said:
He's an awful man and very unpresidential but there are some areas he's done quite well in (compared to other presidents). He hasn't led the US into any new wars for starters. His foreign policy, if separated from the man, is probably relatively successful.pblakeney said:
You'd have to find the policy first.nickice said:In terms of policy, and only policy, how does Donald Trump compare to any other Republican president or any other president for that matter?
It's been hidden behind on the wing speeches and tweets.
Rick then ranted with a list of 'bad' foreign policy actions.
None of them had destabilised the world, and possibly actually had the opposite effect - eg engaging with N Korea, even though it is a horrible dictatorship, or pulling out of Syria and therefore not having conflict with Russia, even if it isn't a great result for moderates and ordinary citizens.
The Syrian withdrawal was one of the worst betrayals of an ally, the Kurds anyone has seen in a generation and it played right into the hands of his favourite despots Erdogan and Putin so I’m disappointed you see the hasty Syrian withdrawal. It was properly disgraceful.
I think Trump’s policies on the Mexican border were atrocious.
His dismantling of the climate change policies in the US are obviously problematic.
His general (mis)management of the functions and institutions in the US, which I’d argue is a policy, has eroded a chunk of the functionality of the state - a whole host remained either unmanned or run by people who were so ill suited to the role (by background).
The fiscal stimulus was very badly timed - pro cyclical and ineffective given the cost because it was generous to very well off and not much else.
Above all though the tearing up of the pandemic preparations and having a president indulge in conspiracy theories, refusing to set an example re masks (and turning it into a political issue) refusing to take the pandemic seriously in the early phase etc etc has been very costly
Could have done with the extra headroom going into rona for chunkier stimulus
The extra headroom is my point about the UK that you have always argued against.0 -
I've no idea. The only reason I can name more than 2 of the candidates is because one of them is now Vice-President Elect.kingstongraham said:
Who should they have gone with, so they could win this time?coopster_the_1st said:
You started well but then went down the fake news route.kingstongraham said:Coopster never said he wanted trump to win. He said that the democrats did everything wrong and nominated the wrong person, even though all the others would have been wrong too, and that's why they are going to lose to Trump again.
I said both candidates were awful, with Biden being only slightly better than H Clinton but that is not difficult.
This should have been a Democrat slam dunk win with any sort of decent candidate.0 -
The legal challenges are just a means to get donations. They need the money, and its not getting spent on lawyers. Even the small print on the fund page says 50% goes to paying off the RNC debt.coopster_the_1st said:
From the commentary I have heard this could change the outcome of the result in Pennsylvania as it was submitted to the Supreme Court on 28th Sept and is awaiting a hearing/judgement.kingstongraham said:One of the Trump lawsuits was in Michigan, where he lost by 147,897 votes. The lawsuit demanded that counting be stopped. It was rejected mostly on the basis that counting has already finished.
https://www.scotusblog.com/case-files/cases/republican-party-of-pennsylvania-v-boockvar-2/
(It is whether postal votes can be counted if received after 8pm on the day of the election)
It does sound like there could be a lot of things tested in the courts if Trump is that way inclined.0 -
So he tweeted that there would be a press conference at the four seasons, then had to find a four seasons that would take him?
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He'll be fair skunner'd when we gie him a slap roon the lugs.orraloon said:
Hey min. Born in one, lived in the other. Bring on the Orange Khunt.thegreatdivide said:
Never try and wage war on Ayrshire and Aberdeenshire. Actual mad b4astards.pinno said:
Yep, never waged war on Scotland.briantrumpet said:
...and probably wants to avoid real wars where he's got property.nickice said:
He's an awful man and very unpresidential but there are some areas he's done quite well in (compared to other presidents). He hasn't led the US into any new wars for starters. His foreign policy, if separated from the man, is probably relatively successful.pblakeney said:
You'd have to find the policy first.nickice said:In terms of policy, and only policy, how does Donald Trump compare to any other Republican president or any other president for that matter?
It's been hidden behind on the wing speeches and tweets.
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Watching the utter meltdown from Trump supporters today has been glorious.0
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"I'm melting!"lettingthedaysgoby said:Watching the utter meltdown from Trump supporters today has been glorious.
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I think he said 'half past 3 at the bus stop'.kingstongraham said:
A federal union of states, you say?coopster_the_1st said:
And the Federal Supreme Count is the highest court in the country of the USA. There is no supranational Court above it.elbowloh said:
Your point was wrong.coopster_the_1st said:
Simple point on the US and Brexit that will prove my point.elbowloh said:
Politics is so partisan in the US that a party could put up a mouldy cabbage as their candidate and the party faithful would still vote for them in their millions . Tbf, it happens here too.coopster_the_1st said:
Haven't 70m American's voted for, as you label him the "sociopathic racist" again?First.Aspect said:
This presupposes that the electorate *knew* they had elected a sociopathic racist though doesn't it.coopster_the_1st said:
I stand for respecting democratic outcomes and respecting the position of POTUS. Disrespecting POTUS is disrespectful of the US electorate, despite who is POTUS at the time. The disrespect and disgraceful actions from the likes of Sadiq Khan and the former speaker of the HoC's was a new low and said more about them, which in hindsight has proved to be correct.First.Aspect said:
What do you stand for?coopster_the_1st said:Looks like it is another evening of this in this thread
The nonchalant disinterest isn't a very convincing epilogue, btw. Just so you know.
Bit like brexit. Lets all pretend everyone *knew* it would all come down to hard Brexit vs fishing quotas.
We don't live in their shoes, so we don't know their reasons for voting the way they have, but I don't think 70m people can be seen as wrong because of their political views. It's just the other side have won this time.
Ironic that you bring up Brexit in a US orientated thread. Both Republicans and Democrats would be 100% Leavers as they would never allow their politicians to transfer powers to EU like political experiment.
I don't agree on your point about Brexit.
The USA is a federation! Each state transferred much of their power to the Federal Government.
There would be no Americans that would allow the ECJ to be a higher legal power than the US Supreme Court. Just one of the many EU powers that both Democrats and Republicans would never agree to.
Each state has their own Supreme Court...they just aren't supreme though as they bow to the Federal Supreme Court.
That makes my point correct and we'll end it here now you have learnt something. I've spent 4 years owning the remoaners and their incorrect views and I'm not going to waste more time doing it on the wrong thread.seanoconn - gruagach craic!0 -
Racism is everywhere. Native American issues are Canada's dirty secret. But comparatively it is a far, far more tolerant nation. I lived there for 6 1/2 years.pblakeney said:
I hate to burst your bubble but there is loads of racism in Canada. Towards the indigenous people in particular.First.Aspect said:
So I am going to call the 15% Mexican comment as racist. The *latino* population in the US is 16-18%. These are US citizens. Who don't look like John Wayne.First.Aspect said:
Do you mean Mexians oe people who look like they might be Mexicans? Sombreros and wotnot.swjohnsey said:
Yeah, atrocious. Mexicans now make up around 15% of the U.S. population. Near the border it is often 95%. Where I live only 70%.rick_chasey said:
Bit disappointed you felt it was a rant.Dorset_Boy said:
Further up thread someone suggested he had destabilised the world. I countered that he hadn't.nickice said:
He's an awful man and very unpresidential but there are some areas he's done quite well in (compared to other presidents). He hasn't led the US into any new wars for starters. His foreign policy, if separated from the man, is probably relatively successful.pblakeney said:
You'd have to find the policy first.nickice said:In terms of policy, and only policy, how does Donald Trump compare to any other Republican president or any other president for that matter?
It's been hidden behind on the wing speeches and tweets.
Rick then ranted with a list of 'bad' foreign policy actions.
None of them had destabilised the world, and possibly actually had the opposite effect - eg engaging with N Korea, even though it is a horrible dictatorship, or pulling out of Syria and therefore not having conflict with Russia, even if it isn't a great result for moderates and ordinary citizens.
The Syrian withdrawal was one of the worst betrayals of an ally, the Kurds anyone has seen in a generation and it played right into the hands of his favourite despots Erdogan and Putin so I’m disappointed you see the hasty Syrian withdrawal. It was properly disgraceful.
I think Trump’s policies on the Mexican border were atrocious.
His dismantling of the climate change policies in the US are obviously problematic.
His general (mis)management of the functions and institutions in the US, which I’d argue is a policy, has eroded a chunk of the functionality of the state - a whole host remained either unmanned or run by people who were so ill suited to the role (by background).
The fiscal stimulus was very badly timed - pro cyclical and ineffective given the cost because it was generous to very well off and not much else.
Above all though the tearing up of the pandemic preparations and having a president indulge in conspiracy theories, refusing to set an example re masks (and turning it into a political issue) refusing to take the pandemic seriously in the early phase etc etc has been very costly
I love visiting the US, but I baffled how a nation in which almost no-one is of indiginous descent can have such a clear and racist notion of "them" and "us". Particularly when there is such a tolerant nation to the north.0 -
Arguably it made the cost of rona stimulus more expensive for little gain.surrey_commuter said:
What is the difference between borrowing to increase growth from zero to 1% rather than from 2% to 3%? If it is a good idea to exploit record low rates why set an arbitrary rate of growth? It could be argued that 3% is their long term rate of growth.rick_chasey said:
Didn’t really need to do it and it didn’t do what stimulus ought to.surrey_commuter said:
With interest rates at record low levels why don’t you support borrowing to boost growth?rick_chasey said:
Bit disappointed you felt it was a rant.Dorset_Boy said:
Further up thread someone suggested he had destabilised the world. I countered that he hadn't.nickice said:
He's an awful man and very unpresidential but there are some areas he's done quite well in (compared to other presidents). He hasn't led the US into any new wars for starters. His foreign policy, if separated from the man, is probably relatively successful.pblakeney said:
You'd have to find the policy first.nickice said:In terms of policy, and only policy, how does Donald Trump compare to any other Republican president or any other president for that matter?
It's been hidden behind on the wing speeches and tweets.
Rick then ranted with a list of 'bad' foreign policy actions.
None of them had destabilised the world, and possibly actually had the opposite effect - eg engaging with N Korea, even though it is a horrible dictatorship, or pulling out of Syria and therefore not having conflict with Russia, even if it isn't a great result for moderates and ordinary citizens.
The Syrian withdrawal was one of the worst betrayals of an ally, the Kurds anyone has seen in a generation and it played right into the hands of his favourite despots Erdogan and Putin so I’m disappointed you see the hasty Syrian withdrawal. It was properly disgraceful.
I think Trump’s policies on the Mexican border were atrocious.
His dismantling of the climate change policies in the US are obviously problematic.
His general (mis)management of the functions and institutions in the US, which I’d argue is a policy, has eroded a chunk of the functionality of the state - a whole host remained either unmanned or run by people who were so ill suited to the role (by background).
The fiscal stimulus was very badly timed - pro cyclical and ineffective given the cost because it was generous to very well off and not much else.
Above all though the tearing up of the pandemic preparations and having a president indulge in conspiracy theories, refusing to set an example re masks (and turning it into a political issue) refusing to take the pandemic seriously in the early phase etc etc has been very costly
Could have done with the extra headroom going into rona for chunkier stimulus
The extra headroom is my point about the UK that you have always argued against.
You know i talk about counter cyclical fiscal policy .0
