Donald Trump

FishFish

KingstonGraham wrote:

briantrumpet wrote:

It's a bit of a crazy show over there, at the moment.

That's also what they are saying about us unfortunately.

They are right and you are wrong.

FishFish

bianchimoon wrote:

Dinyull wrote:

Trump comes out calling Cohen a weak liar.

Rudy comes out and says the Trump's written answer reply to Mueller matches what Cohen admitted in court.

Trump is either telling porkies or has just admitted he was still making deals with Russia when he shouldn't have been.

Which begs the question did the acting AG Whittaker pass on what Cohen had said to Trump, would that be illegal?

No.

...ridiculous. The actus is the crime - talking about it is - talking about it.

Matthewfalle

FishFish wrote:

bianchimoon wrote:

Dinyull wrote:

Trump comes out calling Cohen a weak liar.

Rudy comes out and says the Trump's written answer reply to Mueller matches what Cohen admitted in court.

Trump is either telling porkies or has just admitted he was still making deals with Russia when he shouldn't have been.

Which begs the question did the acting AG Whittaker pass on what Cohen had said to Trump, would that be illegal?

No.

...ridiculous. The actus is the crime - talking about it is - talking about it.

whats an "actus"? we all thought that it was the part of the body that fish2 spoke and posted out of.

oh. no. that is anus. apols for the confusion.

Matthewfalle

Dinyull wrote:

Trump comes out calling Cohen a weak liar.

Rudy comes out and says the Trump's written answer reply to Mueller matches what Cohen admitted in court.

Trump is either telling porkies or has just admitted he was still making deals with Russia when he shouldn't have been.

so, orange khunt's ("OK" in legalise) answers match cohen's who has admitted that he is/has lied.

OK's legal team wrote the answers based on OK's statements.

so, cohen lied, OK lied, the legal team - headed by Giuliani therefore lied.

so they should all be prosecuted, no?

and Malaria is a horrible racist gold digger.

cracking.

rjsterry

Matthewfalle wrote:

FishFish wrote:

bianchimoon wrote:

Dinyull wrote:

Trump comes out calling Cohen a weak liar.

Rudy comes out and says the Trump's written answer reply to Mueller matches what Cohen admitted in court.

Trump is either telling porkies or has just admitted he was still making deals with Russia when he shouldn't have been.

Which begs the question did the acting AG Whittaker pass on what Cohen had said to Trump, would that be illegal?

No.

...ridiculous. The actus is the crime - talking about it is - talking about it.

whats an "actus"? we all thought that it was the part of the body that fish2 spoke and posted out of.

oh. no. that is anus. apols for the confusion.

actus reus
/ˌaktəs ˈreɪəs/
noun LAW
action or conduct which is a constituent element of a crime, as opposed to the mental state of the accused.
"failure to prevent death may be the actus reus of manslaughter"

bianchimoon

The handshake between Putin and MBS at the G20 was pretty chilling to watch, pure laughter/evilness at being above the law
https://www.cnbc.com/2018/11/30/watch-p ... -g-20.html

pinno

bianchimoon wrote:

The handshake between Putin and MBS at the G20 was pretty chilling to watch, pure laughter/evilness at being above the law
https://www.cnbc.com/2018/11/30/watch-p ... -g-20.html

Is Putin quietly re-orchestrating power? Are the Saudi's looking perhaps to Russia for arms in the light of growing Western Antipathy towards the Yemeni conflict, coupled with state appropriated murder? Germany has cancelled Arms contracts to Saudi.
Trump is weak and probably on the end of one of Putin's strings. In the absence of direction, leadership and conviction, power is shifting away from the US.

bianchimoon

Pinno wrote:

bianchimoon wrote:

The handshake between Putin and MBS at the G20 was pretty chilling to watch, pure laughter/evilness at being above the law
https://www.cnbc.com/2018/11/30/watch-p ... -g-20.html

Is Putin quietly re-orchestrating power? Are the Saudi's looking perhaps to Russia for arms in the light of growing Western Antipathy towards the Yemeni conflict, coupled with state appropriated murder? Germany has cancelled Arms contracts to Saudi.
Trump is weak and probably on the end of one of Putin's strings. In the absence of direction, leadership and conviction, power is shifting away from the US.

A fair summary

FishFish

Matthewfalle wrote:

FishFish wrote:

bianchimoon wrote:

Dinyull wrote:

Trump comes out calling Cohen a weak liar.

Rudy comes out and says the Trump's written answer reply to Mueller matches what Cohen admitted in court.

Trump is either telling porkies or has just admitted he was still making deals with Russia when he shouldn't have been.

Which begs the question did the acting AG Whittaker pass on what Cohen had said to Trump, would that be illegal?

No.

...ridiculous. The actus is the crime - talking about it is - talking about it.

whats an "actus"? we all thought that it was the part of the body that fish2 spoke and posted out of.

oh. no. that is anus. apols for the confusion.

It is a legal term to differentiate what the person did (which might not all be a crime) from the crime itself.- which is a legal concept. It is an abbreviation of 'actus reus' - literally the crime thing.

But your analysis is helpful to simpletons - and let me ask if you picked up my play on your derision? Maybe not.

FishFish

Pinno wrote:

bianchimoon wrote:

The handshake between Putin and MBS at the G20 was pretty chilling to watch, pure laughter/evilness at being above the law
https://www.cnbc.com/2018/11/30/watch-p ... -g-20.html

Is Putin quietly re-orchestrating power?

YES - what it is all about and has been since before perestroika.

mr_goo

Pinno wrote:

bianchimoon wrote:

The handshake between Putin and MBS at the G20 was pretty chilling to watch, pure laughter/evilness at being above the law
https://www.cnbc.com/2018/11/30/watch-p ... -g-20.html

Is Putin quietly re-orchestrating power? Are the Saudi's looking perhaps to Russia for arms in the light of growing Western Antipathy towards the Yemeni conflict, coupled with state appropriated murder? Germany has cancelled Arms contracts to Saudi.
Trump is weak and probably on the end of one of Putin's strings. In the absence of direction, leadership and conviction, power is shifting away from the US.

Tim Marshall's book Prisoners of Geography is a very good read and outlines in layman's terms the 10 modern day geopolitical maps. The one on Russia is very interesting.

robert88

Let me tell you about the Russians. They are different from you and me. We have to recognise that Russia is never going to be Westernised, they will always be paranoid about us just as we are paranoid about them. Years ago I used to suggest this was how it was and I was told I was wrong.

When the USSR collapsed we thought we had done Russia a favour - welcome to our world - but the Russians don't live in our world and believed collectively we had not done them a favour, we had increased their vulnerability.

Another time we thought they were our friends was in 1945 and look how that fell apart. They are different.

pblakeney

rjsterry wrote:

Matthewfalle wrote:

FishFish wrote:

bianchimoon wrote:

Dinyull wrote:

Trump comes out calling Cohen a weak liar.

Rudy comes out and says the Trump's written answer reply to Mueller matches what Cohen admitted in court.

Trump is either telling porkies or has just admitted he was still making deals with Russia when he shouldn't have been.

Which begs the question did the acting AG Whittaker pass on what Cohen had said to Trump, would that be illegal?

No.

...ridiculous. The actus is the crime - talking about it is - talking about it.

whats an "actus"? we all thought that it was the part of the body that fish2 spoke and posted out of.

oh. no. that is anus. apols for the confusion.

actus reus
/ˌaktəs ˈreɪəs/
noun LAW
action or conduct which is a constituent element of a crime, as opposed to the mental state of the accused.
"failure to prevent death may be the actus reus of manslaughter"

Always funny when people get caught out.
Nice that it was spelt correctly too.

orraloon

Robert88 wrote:

Let me tell you about the Russians. They are different from you and me...

To quote Gordon Sumner
"But what might save us, me and you
Is if the Russians love their children too"

pinno

Mr Goo wrote:

Pinno wrote:

bianchimoon wrote:

The handshake between Putin and MBS at the G20 was pretty chilling to watch, pure laughter/evilness at being above the law
https://www.cnbc.com/2018/11/30/watch-p ... -g-20.html

Is Putin quietly re-orchestrating power? Are the Saudi's looking perhaps to Russia for arms in the light of growing Western Antipathy towards the Yemeni conflict, coupled with state appropriated murder? Germany has cancelled Arms contracts to Saudi.
Trump is weak and probably on the end of one of Putin's strings. In the absence of direction, leadership and conviction, power is shifting away from the US.

Tim Marshall's book Prisoners of Geography is a very good read and outlines in layman's terms the 10 modern day geopolitical maps. The one on Russia is very interesting.

That would be interesting.

As Churchill said "Russia is a puzzle wrapped up in an enigma".

Russia's mistrust goes a long way back. In fact, it goes back in part to the Mongol's who sacked the Steppes.
Napoleon had a go, Adolf had a go and in that process they lost an estimated 27 million people.
Post war Russia saw the Korean conflict and then under the reds under the beds McCarthy era, Russia was labelled all sorts of things on the spectrum of evil... meanwhile the cold war slowly escalates...
It's little wonder that the common thread is their everlasting and continuous mistrust.

Eventually the Berlin wall comes down, Gorbachev is in control of a nation on it's financial knees.

https://www.nytimes.com/1989/04/09/maga ... ussia.html

Western Europe had a unique opportunity to assist Gorbachev in Harvesting successive Wheat growth that couldn't be fully Harvested partly because of a lack of machinery. Perhaps that assistance could have been the start of a more positive relationship with the West. It was not long after that when Russia started reverting to type. The the food queues and the poverty was squared firmly at the West and Gorbachev was not seen as the man who brought the end of the cold war like we perceived him.

So Tsarist Russia was replaced by Communism and roughly a century later , Communism, has been replaced with ostensibly... a Tsarist Russia. They have reverted to type.

FishFish

Robert88 wrote:

Let me tell you about the Russians. They are different from you and me. We have to recognise that Russia is never going to be Westernised, they will always be paranoid about us just as we are paranoid about them. Years ago I used to suggest this was how it was and I was told I was wrong.

When the USSR collapsed we thought we had done Russia a favour - welcome to our world - but the Russians don't live in our world and believed collectively we had not done them a favour, we had increased their vulnerability.

Another time we thought they were our friends was in 1945 and look how that fell apart. They are different.

When I was in Sandhurst we had a lecture on this and your thesis was accepted exactly as you said. We were shown a Russian map- one with Russia at the centre - and asked how would we feel surrounded by hostile nuclear powers. Point made and taken. Things were NEVER going to change post perestroika.

I did shag a nice whore in Novorossysk once though.

FishFish

Pinno wrote:

Mr Goo wrote:

Pinno wrote:

bianchimoon wrote:

The handshake between Putin and MBS at the G20 was pretty chilling to watch, pure laughter/evilness at being above the law
https://www.cnbc.com/2018/11/30/watch-p ... -g-20.html

Perhaps that assistance could have been the start of a more positive relationship with the West.

Yes of course but the West did it wrong then; there and elsewhere. A missed opportunity that we will regret.

The middle east is trending to Russia away from the West because it knows where it stands with with them. The west offers no consistency with the ME except for Israel.

FishFish

I've been in airports today and have had only limited access to unrestricted press. But I did discover from the Daily Mail which I'm fairly sure a select group of you consider the authority on everything, that Lady Trump designed the Christmas Tree displays in the White House.

This PROVES that she, and by association President Trump, are close to God.

FACT.

bianchimoon

FishFish wrote:

I've been in airports today and have had only limited access to unrestricted press. But I did discover from the Daily Mail which I'm fairly sure a select group of you consider the authority on everything, that Lady Trump designed the Christmas Tree displays in the White House.

This PROVES that she, and by association President Trump, are close to God.

FACT.

Groan

Matthewfalle

FishFish wrote:

Robert88 wrote:

Let me tell you about the Russians. They are different from you and me. We have to recognise that Russia is never going to be Westernised, they will always be paranoid about us just as we are paranoid about them. Years ago I used to suggest this was how it was and I was told I was wrong.

When the USSR collapsed we thought we had done Russia a favour - welcome to our world - but the Russians don't live in our world and believed collectively we had not done them a favour, we had increased their vulnerability.

Another time we thought they were our friends was in 1945 and look how that fell apart. They are different.

When I was in Sandhurst we had a lecture on this and your thesis was accepted exactly as you said. We were shown a Russian map- one with Russia at the centre - and asked how would we feel surrounded by hostile nuclear powers. Point made and taken. Things were NEVER going to change post perestroika.
.

no you didn't. the closest you have been is the kebab shop opposite the fence.

veronese68

bianchimoon wrote:

FishFish wrote:

I've been in airports today and have had only limited access to unrestricted press. But I did discover from the Daily Mail which I'm fairly sure a select group of you consider the authority on everything, that Lady Trump designed the Christmas Tree displays in the White House.

This PROVES that she, and by association President Trump, are close to God.

FACT.

Groan

Airport bars do open early, a day on the vodka would make you spout a load of sh!t.

Matthewfalle

FishFish wrote:

I've been in airports today and have had only limited access to unrestricted press.

Did you not get free wifi at wetherspoons when you were having your 4th all day breakfast? You would have then had access to everything.

FishFish

Matthewfalle wrote:

FishFish wrote:

I've been in airports today and have had only limited access to unrestricted press.

Did you not get free wifi at wetherspoons when you were having your 4th all day breakfast? You would have then had access to everything.

Nope - no Wetherspoons in Zhongshan nor access to Google of course - as it is in China - and my VPN gets blocked after 10 mins. I've never been to Wetherspoons but your allusion of its clientele co-incides with mine having driven past the one in town at different times of day and witnessing the fat smokers doing their thing.

bianchimoon

Haha, Eric Trump tweets

“Of all the ugliness in politics, the utter disrespect George Conway shows toward his wife, her career, place of work, and everything she has fought SO hard to achieve, might top them all,” Eric Trump wrote on Twitter.
Kellyanne Conway is a “great person,” he added, and her husband’s actions “are horrible.”

Kellyanne's husband George retweeted a reply

Wait. Did I miss something? Did George Conway pay money to have sex with a porn star right after his wife gave birth?

briantrumpet

It'll be interesting to see if Trump references Mike Flynn in Twitterrage this morning. He's off to a good start by conducting trade negotiations with Chine by Twitter...

But, if he gets on to Flynn, will Flynn be a strong man brought to his knees by a phony witch hunt, or a weak coffee boy whom he hardly knew...?

dinyull

Flynn must really have the goods.

Took a plea deal to keep his son safe and has now been recommended for no jail time.

imposter2.0

Doesn't necessarily mean he will get no jail time..

He may still face more charges..

briantrumpet

Still nothing about Flynn. And from the way previous tweets were written, I'm wondering if an adult has taken his phone away and is tweeting for him... Trump isn't the sort of person to stop at petty insults and vengeance just because it might add to the long list of crimes he's already committed.

dinyull

Probably something to do with the witness tampering he committed a few days ago.

PhilipPirrip

briantrumpet wrote:

It'll be interesting to see if Trump references Mike Flynn in Twitterrage this morning. He's off to a good start by conducting trade negotiations with Chine by Twitter...

But, if he gets on to Flynn, will Flynn be a strong man brought to his knees by a phony witch hunt, or a weak coffee boy whom he hardly knew...?

Flynn wasn't willing to be brought to his knees by Trump with an uncertain promise of a pardon should he lie to or withhold from Mueller.

That's what will really rile Trump. Mueller has proved a better deal maker and sent a clear signal that he's willing to give a better offer than Trump to those who testify.

Trump is left supporting mobsters (by his own definition of pleading the Fifth) like Stone, which again strengthens Mueller's hand as his tweets could be seen as witness tampering.