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  • kingstongraham
    kingstongraham Posts: 28,115
    Surrey Commuter wrote:
    In the interests of balance what have other leaders done other than weak words?

    what is it that Trump has not done?

    Merkel has banned all arms sales to Saudi Arabia for now.

    Trump has lied that there are 1 million jobs created by an arms deal with Saudi Arabia as a justification for not doing that.
  • kingstongraham
    kingstongraham Posts: 28,115
    briantrumpet wrote:
    KingstonGraham wrote:
    Trump is embracing full on lying as an election strategy again. And full on racism obviously.
    Whether or not he knows or cares he's lying is slightly beside the point: it's his daycare team and the GOP who are not only allowing it but encouraging it who are the most culpable (along with the media who know it's good business). They could stop it at a stroke, if they wanted to, but it's serving their warped agenda.

    Which elected member in the GOP do you think could stop it and then not get deselected in the next primary?
  • briantrumpet
    briantrumpet Posts: 20,305
    KingstonGraham wrote:
    briantrumpet wrote:
    KingstonGraham wrote:
    Trump is embracing full on lying as an election strategy again. And full on racism obviously.
    Whether or not he knows or cares he's lying is slightly beside the point: it's his daycare team and the GOP who are not only allowing it but encouraging it who are the most culpable (along with the media who know it's good business). They could stop it at a stroke, if they wanted to, but it's serving their warped agenda.

    Which elected member in the GOP do you think could stop it and then not get deselected in the next primary?
    No idea, but if they had the slightest conscience, they'd put that ahead of defending Trump.

    It's OK, I won't hold my breath.
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  • surrey_commuter
    surrey_commuter Posts: 18,867
    KingstonGraham wrote:
    Surrey Commuter wrote:
    In the interests of balance what have other leaders done other than weak words?

    what is it that Trump has not done?

    Merkel has banned all arms sales to Saudi Arabia for now.

    Trump has lied that there are 1 million jobs created by an arms deal with Saudi Arabia as a justification for not doing that.

    It still does not put Trump in a minority extremist position

    The truth of the matter is that oil talks loudly
  • rjsterry
    rjsterry Posts: 29,527
    Surrey Commuter wrote:
    KingstonGraham wrote:
    Surrey Commuter wrote:
    In the interests of balance what have other leaders done other than weak words?

    what is it that Trump has not done?

    Merkel has banned all arms sales to Saudi Arabia for now.

    Trump has lied that there are 1 million jobs created by an arms deal with Saudi Arabia as a justification for not doing that.

    It still does not put Trump in a minority extremist position

    The truth of the matter is that oil talks loudly

    And he needs Saudi Arabia to increase supply when he increases sanctions on Iran or the price will bump up and that will lose him support very quickly.
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  • pblakeney
    pblakeney Posts: 27,303
    So, whoever organised the cover up made a bad mistake and should be punished. The murder, hey ho, but get who did the cover up.
    PS - Yes, this applies equally to the UK. #easilybought
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  • shirley_basso
    shirley_basso Posts: 6,195
    rjsterry wrote:
    Surrey Commuter wrote:
    KingstonGraham wrote:
    Surrey Commuter wrote:
    In the interests of balance what have other leaders done other than weak words?

    what is it that Trump has not done?

    Merkel has banned all arms sales to Saudi Arabia for now.

    Trump has lied that there are 1 million jobs created by an arms deal with Saudi Arabia as a justification for not doing that.

    It still does not put Trump in a minority extremist position

    The truth of the matter is that oil talks loudly

    And he needs Saudi Arabia to increase supply when he increases sanctions on Iran or the price will bump up and that will lose him support very quickly.

    Isn’t the US becoming more self sufficient through onshore fracking?
  • surrey_commuter
    surrey_commuter Posts: 18,867
    Shirley Basso wrote:
    rjsterry wrote:
    Surrey Commuter wrote:
    KingstonGraham wrote:
    Surrey Commuter wrote:
    In the interests of balance what have other leaders done other than weak words?

    what is it that Trump has not done?

    Merkel has banned all arms sales to Saudi Arabia for now.

    Trump has lied that there are 1 million jobs created by an arms deal with Saudi Arabia as a justification for not doing that.

    It still does not put Trump in a minority extremist position

    The truth of the matter is that oil talks loudly

    And he needs Saudi Arabia to increase supply when he increases sanctions on Iran or the price will bump up and that will lose him support very quickly.

    Isn’t the US becoming more self sufficient through onshore fracking?

    Yes but Saudi is the biggest producer with the biggest reserves. If you put proper sanctions on them it would cause a global recession. If you push them too hard they might slow production and cause a global recession.
  • PhilipPirrip
    PhilipPirrip Posts: 616
    Surrey Commuter wrote:
    KingstonGraham wrote:
    Surrey Commuter wrote:
    In the interests of balance what have other leaders done other than weak words?

    what is it that Trump has not done?

    Merkel has banned all arms sales to Saudi Arabia for now.

    Trump has lied that there are 1 million jobs created by an arms deal with Saudi Arabia as a justification for not doing that.

    It still does not put Trump in a minority extremist position

    The truth of the matter is that oil talks loudly
    What sets Trump apart is his eagerness to defend despots, dictators and people of violence when it suits his personal interests, whether that be material interests or him just massaging his ego with false claims to his baying crowds.

    Most other countries who have oil and/or arms interests with the Saudis have remained largely quiet waiting for the dust to settle and carry on as usual.
  • surrey_commuter
    surrey_commuter Posts: 18,867
    PhilipPirrip wrote:
    Surrey Commuter wrote:
    KingstonGraham wrote:
    Surrey Commuter wrote:
    In the interests of balance what have other leaders done other than weak words?

    what is it that Trump has not done?

    Merkel has banned all arms sales to Saudi Arabia for now.

    Trump has lied that there are 1 million jobs created by an arms deal with Saudi Arabia as a justification for not doing that.

    It still does not put Trump in a minority extremist position

    The truth of the matter is that oil talks loudly
    What sets Trump apart is his eagerness to defend despots, dictators and people of violence when it suits his personal interests, whether that be material interests or him just massaging his ego with false claims to his baying crowds.

    Most other countries who have oil and/or arms interests with the Saudis have remained largely quiet waiting for the dust to settle and carry on as usual.

    would you count this as better same or worse than a previous administration's reaction to Saudi Arabia over their involvement in 9/11. At least Trump has not punished them by invading a separate sovereign state.
  • PhilipPirrip
    PhilipPirrip Posts: 616
    Surrey Commuter wrote:
    PhilipPirrip wrote:
    Surrey Commuter wrote:
    KingstonGraham wrote:
    Surrey Commuter wrote:
    In the interests of balance what have other leaders done other than weak words?

    what is it that Trump has not done?

    Merkel has banned all arms sales to Saudi Arabia for now.

    Trump has lied that there are 1 million jobs created by an arms deal with Saudi Arabia as a justification for not doing that.

    It still does not put Trump in a minority extremist position

    The truth of the matter is that oil talks loudly
    What sets Trump apart is his eagerness to defend despots, dictators and people of violence when it suits his personal interests, whether that be material interests or him just massaging his ego with false claims to his baying crowds.

    Most other countries who have oil and/or arms interests with the Saudis have remained largely quiet waiting for the dust to settle and carry on as usual.

    would you count this as better same or worse than a previous administration's reaction to Saudi Arabia over their involvement in 9/11. At least Trump has not punished them by invading a separate sovereign state.
    Knowing what we know now about the origin of 15 of the bombers it'd be hard for anyone to beat the previous admins unerring support for the Saudis after 9/11 and their abuse of the situation for nefarious purposes.

    We've learned that Trump doesn't listen to or read intelligence reports and he himself lacks the knowledge and intelligence of global politics to realise when he could use such situations for nefarious purposes, so that's a positive.
  • surrey_commuter
    surrey_commuter Posts: 18,867
    PhilipPirrip wrote:
    Surrey Commuter wrote:
    PhilipPirrip wrote:
    Surrey Commuter wrote:
    KingstonGraham wrote:
    Surrey Commuter wrote:
    In the interests of balance what have other leaders done other than weak words?

    what is it that Trump has not done?

    Merkel has banned all arms sales to Saudi Arabia for now.

    Trump has lied that there are 1 million jobs created by an arms deal with Saudi Arabia as a justification for not doing that.

    It still does not put Trump in a minority extremist position

    The truth of the matter is that oil talks loudly
    What sets Trump apart is his eagerness to defend despots, dictators and people of violence when it suits his personal interests, whether that be material interests or him just massaging his ego with false claims to his baying crowds.

    Most other countries who have oil and/or arms interests with the Saudis have remained largely quiet waiting for the dust to settle and carry on as usual.

    would you count this as better same or worse than a previous administration's reaction to Saudi Arabia over their involvement in 9/11. At least Trump has not punished them by invading a separate sovereign state.
    Knowing what we know now about the origin of 15 of the bombers it'd be hard for anyone to beat the previous admins unerring support for the Saudis after 9/11 and their abuse of the situation for nefarious purposes.

    We've learned that Trump doesn't listen to or read intelligence reports and he himself lacks the knowledge and intelligence of global politics to realise when he could use such situations for nefarious purposes, so that's a positive.

    Assuming you are right and the US administration is not playing the situation for it's own purposes what actions would you like to see them take?

    Maybe they should take the lead from the UK and condemn their behaviour in the strongest possible terms
  • bianchimoon
    bianchimoon Posts: 3,942
    suspicious devices sent to Obama, Clintons and John Brennan at CNN, similar to one sent to George Soros the other day, nationalist intimidation?
    All lies and jest..still a man hears what he wants to hear and disregards the rest....
  • slowbike
    slowbike Posts: 8,498
    (I know this is supposed to be about trump)
    Khashoggi murder: Crown prince vows to punish 'culprits'
    - so that gives them a good reason to kill some others they don't want then ... oh good show.
  • bianchimoon
    bianchimoon Posts: 3,942
    Slowbike wrote:
    (I know this is supposed to be about trump)
    Khashoggi murder: Crown prince vows to punish 'culprits'
    - so that gives them a good reason to kill some others they don't want then ... oh good show.
    yeah, sickening, especially the pic of him shaking the hand of Khasoggi's son (who is banned from leaving Saudi due to his fathers writings. Poor lad having to shake the hands of his fathers murderer... or else!
    All lies and jest..still a man hears what he wants to hear and disregards the rest....
  • sungod
    sungod Posts: 17,336
    bianchimoon wrote:
    suspicious devices sent to Obama, Clintons and John Brennan at CNN, similar to one sent to George Soros the other day, nationalist intimidation?
    the way trump has been stoking the fires of hatred, it's exactly what i'd expect
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  • pblakeney
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  • rolf_f
    rolf_f Posts: 16,015
    Slowbike wrote:
    (I know this is supposed to be about trump)
    Khashoggi murder: Crown prince vows to punish 'culprits'
    - so that gives them a good reason to kill some others they don't want then ... oh good show.

    No, I am sure he will actually arrest himself and have himself put to death. Open and shut case.
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  • rolf_f
    rolf_f Posts: 16,015
    sungod wrote:
    bianchimoon wrote:
    suspicious devices sent to Obama, Clintons and John Brennan at CNN, similar to one sent to George Soros the other day, nationalist intimidation?
    the way trump has been stoking the fires of hatred, it's exactly what i'd expect

    No, no; not Dumps fault. The media. Dump said "The media has a responsibility to set a civil tone and to stop the endless hostility and constant negative and oftentimes false attacks and stories”.

    Seems plain enough to me......
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  • tangled_metal
    tangled_metal Posts: 4,021
    Wouldn't it be so much easier if media just supported whoever is in power? Even if that lasts beyond the two terms allowed for in the constitution.
  • slowbike
    slowbike Posts: 8,498
    Rolf F wrote:
    No, no; not Dumps fault. The media. Dump said "The media has a responsibility to set a civil tone and to stop the endless hostility and constant negative and oftentimes false attacks and stories”.

    Seems plain enough to me......
    Actually - in many cases that would be an improvement ...

    even our local paper goes all hostile and aggressive if it thinks it's what people want to read.
  • robert88
    robert88 Posts: 2,696
    The people who sent these devices got all they could ask for. They are not naive enough to think they would reach Obama or Clinton or Soros or.. but they did give their actions worldwide publicity.

    With the mid term polls in a couple of weeks they have threatened Trump's opponents with violence if the Democrats do well. At lower levels, Trump's opposition will not have the protection that Obama et al have and may well be intimidated by these acts.

    In a pre-Trump world it would have been right to publicise the sending of devices; post-Trump it is the opposite. Trump's supporters will know his posturing as an act put on by a man who lies as easily as he breathes. Wannabe dictators know that violence has to be part of their supporters' repertoire.
  • bianchimoon
    bianchimoon Posts: 3,942
    Robert88 wrote:
    In a pre-Trump world it would have been right to publicise the sending of devices; post-Trump it is the opposite. Trump's supporters will know his posturing as an act put on by a man who lies as easily as he breathes. Wannabe dictators know that violence has to be part of their supporters' repertoire.

    I get what you're saying, but you can't 'not' report bombs being sent to 2 ex presidents, keeping quiet could have the effect of "well that wasn't big enough for them to report... let's try something bigger.
    Also, this might make the middle of the road 'decent' republicans think twice about their vote next month
    All lies and jest..still a man hears what he wants to hear and disregards the rest....
  • kingstongraham
    kingstongraham Posts: 28,115
    He's basically said today that it's CNN's own fault they got bombed because they're fake news and that causes the anger.
  • bianchimoon
    bianchimoon Posts: 3,942
    KingstonGraham wrote:
    He's basically said today that it's CNN's own fault they got bombed because they're fake news and that causes the anger.
    His tweet was appalling even given his standards, and the speech last night saying how restrained he was being after reading from a script really shows a man in the grip of a mental illness
    All lies and jest..still a man hears what he wants to hear and disregards the rest....
  • mfin
    mfin Posts: 6,729
    So, DeNiro's restaurant is sent one too https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-45975447

    ...and all trump does after this is announced is send a tweet attacking the media:
    Trump wrote:
    A very big part of the Anger we see today in our society is caused by the purposely false and inaccurate reporting of the Mainstream Media that I refer to as Fake News. It has gotten so bad and hateful that it is beyond description. Mainstream Media must clean up its act, FAST!

    No condemnation.

    How bad is this? It seems quite shocking as these are apparently pipe bombs.
  • PhilipPirrip
    PhilipPirrip Posts: 616
    mfin wrote:
    So, DeNiro's restaurant is sent one too https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-45975447

    ...and all trump does after this is announced is send a tweet attacking the media:
    Trump wrote:
    A very big part of the Anger we see today in our society is caused by the purposely false and inaccurate reporting of the Mainstream Media that I refer to as Fake News. It has gotten so bad and hateful that it is beyond description. Mainstream Media must clean up its act, FAST!

    No condemnation.

    How bad is this? It seems quite shocking as these are apparently pipe bombs.
    Easy to imagine that level of response coming from a Communist dictator to attacks on their critics.
  • kingstongraham
    kingstongraham Posts: 28,115
    Lou Dobbs, one of his unofficial policy advisers has described them as "Fake News - Fake Bombs".
  • cooldad
    cooldad Posts: 32,599
    KingstonGraham wrote:
    Lou Dobbs, one of his unofficial policy advisers has described them as "Fake News - Fake Bombs".

    "The bombs each were made from PVC pipe with a digital timer attached to set off the detonator, the officials said. And each bomb also contained powder from either a low explosive or a pyrotechnic, as in fireworks.

    Multiple senior bomb technicians briefed on the case said that the aspiring bomber had all the components necessary to set off a successful explosion."

    https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news...istics-n923951
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  • mfin
    mfin Posts: 6,729
    One sent to Joe Biden too.

    So, it's completely clear that these have been sent to critics of Trump. It is also clear that trump has whipped up bad sentiment from his followers towards these critics.

    Trump is in a unique position to ask these supporters to calm down, condemn all this, to tell them they are doing wrong, to disassociate himself from them. Instead, he criticises the media again, fuelling the fire more.

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