Donald Trump

Stevo_666

bianchimoon wrote:

Stevo 666 wrote:

Well, I did my bit on Brexit by (a) voting to Remain (OK, not entirely successful) and (b) coordinating the Brexit planning for my Group, which is actually quite helpful to us as a business.

And I helped get Corbyn elected so that Labour would not be

What have you managed to do?

Christ (in a non religious sense) you're worse than me for wanting the last word

Have you only just noticed? :P

bianchimoon

Stevo 666 wrote:

bianchimoon wrote:

Stevo 666 wrote:

Well, I did my bit on Brexit by (a) voting to Remain (OK, not entirely successful) and (b) coordinating the Brexit planning for my Group, which is actually quite helpful to us as a business.

And I helped get Corbyn elected so that Labour would not be

What have you managed to do?

Christ (in a non religious sense) you're worse than me for wanting the last word

Have you only just noticed? :P

I so wanted to say "right you win" but that would mean me having the last word, so I won't
my next comment will be on dotard I promise!

veronese68

bianchimoon wrote:

Stevo 666 wrote:

bianchimoon wrote:

Stevo 666 wrote:

What have you managed to do?

Christ (in a non religious sense) you're worse than me for wanting the last word

Have you only just noticed? :P

I so wanted to say "right you win" but that would mean me having the last word, so I won't

Sums up so much about this forum, and others I'm sure.

Stevo_666

bianchimoon wrote:

Stevo 666 wrote:

bianchimoon wrote:

Stevo 666 wrote:

Well, I did my bit on Brexit by (a) voting to Remain (OK, not entirely successful) and (b) coordinating the Brexit planning for my Group, which is actually quite helpful to us as a business.

And I helped get Corbyn elected so that Labour would not be

What have you managed to do?

Christ (in a non religious sense) you're worse than me for wanting the last word

Have you only just noticed? :P

I so wanted to say "right you win" but that would mean me having the last word, so I won't
my next comment will be on dotard I promise!

Bloody cheat

bianchimoon

Stevo 666 wrote:

bianchimoon wrote:

Stevo 666 wrote:

bianchimoon wrote:

Stevo 666 wrote:

Well, I did my bit on Brexit by (a) voting to Remain (OK, not entirely successful) and (b) coordinating the Brexit planning for my Group, which is actually quite helpful to us as a business.

And I helped get Corbyn elected so that Labour would not be

What have you managed to do?

Christ (in a non religious sense) you're worse than me for wanting the last word

Have you only just noticed? :P

I so wanted to say "right you win" but that would mean me having the last word, so I won't
my next comment will be on dotard I promise!

Bloody cheat

Damm, rumbled

actually 'have the last word' could be a long running thread

rjsterry

Stevo 666 wrote:

rjsterry wrote:

Stevo 666 wrote:

rjsterry wrote:

Stevo 666 wrote:

KingstonGraham wrote:

Stevo 666 wrote:

Jez mon wrote:

I think it's fairly clear he's a fair bit worse than just a bit of an odious git, he's also 'leader of the free world' not some poxy tin pot dictator.

No, he's the leader of the USA.

Previous presidents have seen being de facto "leader of the free world" as advantageous to the USA.

Which other countries in the free world are taking a lead from Trump? If you believe this thread, the answer is probably 'none'.

Leaders of the following countries have adopted many of Trump's tactics.
Israel.
Italy.
The Philippines.

Oh and you'll love this one

https://www.politico.eu/article/reveale ... -playbook/

Good try. Show me how they have followed Trumps lead rather than coming to to similar tactic on their own. Even if you can, that is 2 or 3 out of how many free countries? (See below)

Corbyn doesn't count as he is opposition and not in power.

Philippines: arguable as to whether it is free:
http://news.abs-cbn.com/focus/10/30/15/how-free-is-the-philippines

Wriggle, wriggle. Are you seriously suggesting Netanyahu hasn't been inspired by his friend's successes? It's not as though Trump invented the tactics anyway. His administration has just been particularly effective at deploying them.

The 'Free World' bit has always been largely untrue, given the US's habit of funding dictators and undermining governments according to what it deems to be working in its interest. But it is difficult to argue that it hasn't been the most influential nation for some time, albeit with some stronger competition now from China.

No, you are wriggling after a weak effort.

Trying to say that Israel, Italy and the Philippines (plus some beardy UK leftie) have done things in line with Trump policy does not mean the free world is taking a lead from him, far from it. It is a small minority of countries. If anything, many countries in the Free world are taking anti-Trump stances so it is much easier to argue that he is not the leader of anything apart from the USA.

That beardy leftie has been neck and neck with the government in the polls for half the summer, which given how small his hard left base is, shows how effective the populist promise-anything approach is when combined with a semi fictitious 'enemy' to blame for all a country's ills.

FishFish

I think the adjacent example is in scotchland with the rise of nationalism.

Isis is actually a good example of nationalism and parts of Canada are up for it in their usual inept way.

kingstongraham

Bit tryhard mate.

Matthewfalle

FishFish wrote:

I think the adjacent example is in scotchland with the rise of nationalism.

Isis is actually a good example of nationalism and parts of Canada are up for it in their usual inept way.

what: Cana-dia is now the new islamic state?

#blimey

Stevo_666

rjsterry wrote:

That beardy leftie has been neck and neck with the government in the polls for half the summer, which given how small his hard left base is, shows how effective the populist promise-anything approach is when combined with a semi fictitious 'enemy' to blame for all a country's ills.

Until the real nasty party splinters over its inherent racism and intolerance.
https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/labour-antisemitism-jeremy-corbyn-mike-gapes-quit-party-a8507886.html
Labour are standing at the edge of a precipice. Let's give the lefty f***ers a good hard push

Stevo_666

To keep Bianchi happy and give him some new whingeing material, I have to say this move by Trump to pull out of the WTO really is a bit unwise
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-45364150

bianchimoon

Stevo 666 wrote:

To keep Bianchi happy and give him some new whingeing material, I have to say this move by Trump to pull out of the WTO really is a bit unwise
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-45364150

The only time I’ll be happy is after the mid terms and the fake president is neutered

surrey_commuter

bianchimoon wrote:

Stevo 666 wrote:

To keep Bianchi happy and give him some new whingeing material, I have to say this move by Trump to pull out of the WTO really is a bit unwise
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-45364150

The only time I’ll be happy is after the mid terms and the fake president is neutered

Study the USA electoral process and you will see that is very unlikely to happen. Ironically for many of the same reasons that Labour won’t get wiped out.

Stevo_666

bianchimoon wrote:

Stevo 666 wrote:

To keep Bianchi happy and give him some new whingeing material, I have to say this move by Trump to pull out of the WTO really is a bit unwise
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-45364150

The only time I’ll be happy is after the mid terms and the fake president is neutered

Don't you agree with my point then? A rare opportunity.

FishFish

Unwise it may be but WTO will not exist forever - I think it is a matter of time. Trump has accelerated a trade deal with Mexico to take back a perceived advantage to the US and to fulfil an electoral promise. Canada may be disadvantaged in their forthcoming renegotiation within ( or possibly without) NAFTA but the speed of change is refreshing and why dither with multi year trade agreements, carbon agreements.

Go back a few years an Condoleeza withdrew the US from SALT on the simple basis that - 'things have changed'. We are not being nuked. Personally I'm happy to see things get shaken up a bit - do you find this too taxing?

FishFish

Surrey Commuter wrote:

Study the USA electoral process and you will see that is very unlikely to happen.

GOOD!

FishFish

rjsterry wrote:

That beardy leftie has been neck and neck with the government in the polls for half the summer, which given how small his hard left base is, shows how effective the populist promise-anything approach

It shows how innefective his populist approach is. Alex Salmond's populist approach worked to achieve the end he wanted - inevitably as a transient. Trump's populist approach seems to have worked.

Iran's populist approach seems not to have worked.

Stevo_666

FishFish wrote:

Unwise it may be but WTO will not exist forever - I think it is a matter of time. Trump has accelerated a trade deal with Mexico to take back a perceived advantage to the US and to fulfil an electoral promise. Canada may be disadvantaged in their forthcoming renegotiation within ( or possibly without) NAFTA but the speed of change is refreshing and why dither with multi year trade agreements, carbon agreements.

Go back a few years an Condoleeza withdrew the US from SALT on the simple basis that - 'things have changed'. We are not being nuked. Personally I'm happy to see things get shaken up a bit - do you find this too taxing?

No issues with change if something needs changing. What do you see as the issues with the WTO?

veronese68

Stevo 666 wrote:

Until the real nasty party splinters over its inherent racism and intolerance.

Hang on, so Corbyn’s opponents are accusing him of being anti-Semitic so he loses the leadership and can’t become PM. Meanwhile Boris is trying to appear more intolerant so he can win the party leadership and become PM.
Which is the nasty party with the problem?

Stevo_666

Veronese68 wrote:

Stevo 666 wrote:

Until the real nasty party splinters over its inherent racism and intolerance.

Hang on, so Corbyn’s opponents are accusing him of being anti-Semitic so he loses the leadership and can’t become PM. Meanwhile Boris is trying to appear more intolerant so he can win the party leadership and become PM.
Which is the nasty party with the problem?

I guess the difference is between actually being intolerant and allegedly trying to appear that way. Also the former involves the large section of a party whereas the latter involves Boris. Neither are good but its a question of degree. So I think Labour get the prize quite easily.

FishFish

Stevo 666 wrote:

No issues with change if something needs changing. What do you see as the issues with the WTO?

Well precisely the multi-fibre agreement. This is a bit specialist but it was a quota agreement that existed - basically the West Accepted it could not produce textiles because of cost. This agreement divvied up the production by product by quantity by (undeveloped) country- it was actually a fabulous piece of bureaucracy. When the WTO took it over the headline in the Economist referring to the massive quota reduction in Bangladesh - '20 million prostitutes created overnight'

...and therefore the unthought consequences of rich peoples patronage - including to China. Is the issue I have.

FishFish

And I don't know what the lack of a service tarrif structure means for financial services in the UK going forward.

Stevo_666

FishFish wrote:

Stevo 666 wrote:

No issues with change if something needs changing. What do you see as the issues with the WTO?

Well precisely the multi-fibre agreement. This is a bit specialist but it was a quota agreement that existed - basically the West Accepted it could not produce textiles because of cost. This agreement divvied up the production by product by quantity by (undeveloped) country- it was actually a fabulous piece of bureaucracy. When the WTO took it over the headline in the Economist referring to the massive quota reduction in Bangladesh - '20 million prostitutes created overnight'

...and therefore the unthought consequences of rich peoples patronage - including to China. Is the issue I have.

Was not aware of that, although not sure it will be their undoing. As I see it having a certain base level of trade terms that applies to around 80% of the countries on the planet is not a bad thing even if the enforcement is a bit toothless as has been mentioned a bit earlier. The WTO Information Technology Agreement is a good from my point of view as it eliminates all import duties on anything classed as technology products.

On your point about services, the key point is access to the EU although that is still in the air. Although there are alternative methods.

FishFish

Stevo 666 wrote:

On your point about services, the key point is access to the EU although that is still in the air. Although there are alternative methods.

My thought on services is not access but competition. UK now clears the RMB and not Frankfurt or Paris or obviously Chicago. Although UK Financial services are incompetent - such as everything in the past that has been mis-sold - they are still trusted by force of habit. The banks moving marketing and processing in to Europe will no longer be British they will have to license and register locally. This and the very ambiguous trading terms is a genuine threat the the financial services economy for the medium term. It will dissipate the UK brand value within those services.

darkhairedlord

FishFish wrote:

Stevo 666 wrote:

On your point about services, the key point is access to the EU although that is still in the air. Although there are alternative methods.

My thought on services is not access but competition. UK now clears the RMB and not Frankfurt or Paris or obviously Chicago. Although UK Financial services are incompetent - such as everything in the past that has been mis-sold - they are still trusted by force of habit. The banks moving marketing and processing in to Europe will no longer be British they will have to license and register locally. This and the very ambiguous trading terms is a genuine threat the the financial services economy for the medium term. It will dissipate the UK brand value within those services.

RMB is also cleared outside of the U.K. Including Frankfurt .
You are talking shxt again.
....it will dissipate UK brand value..... Hah ha ha.... Great stuff.

rjsterry

darkhairedlord wrote:

FishFish wrote:

Stevo 666 wrote:

On your point about services, the key point is access to the EU although that is still in the air. Although there are alternative methods.

My thought on services is not access but competition. UK now clears the RMB and not Frankfurt or Paris or obviously Chicago. Although UK Financial services are incompetent - such as everything in the past that has been mis-sold - they are still trusted by force of habit. The banks moving marketing and processing in to Europe will no longer be British they will have to license and register locally. This and the very ambiguous trading terms is a genuine threat the the financial services economy for the medium term. It will dissipate the UK brand value within those services.

RMB is also cleared outside of the U.K. Including Frankfurt .
You are talking shxt again.
....it will dissipate UK brand value..... Hah ha ha.... Great stuff.

Don't knock it. It makes a nice change from trying to show off about his school days.

Stevo_666

FishFish wrote:

Stevo 666 wrote:

On your point about services, the key point is access to the EU although that is still in the air. Although there are alternative methods.

My thought on services is not access but competition. UK now clears the RMB and not Frankfurt or Paris or obviously Chicago. Although UK Financial services are incompetent - such as everything in the past that has been mis-sold - they are still trusted by force of habit. The banks moving marketing and processing in to Europe will no longer be British they will have to license and register locally. This and the very ambiguous trading terms is a genuine threat the the financial services economy for the medium term. It will dissipate the UK brand value within those services.

There is definitely RMB clearing going on in Paris and Frankfurt - just not a lot because London dominates in this sector as you would expect.
https://www.poundsterlinglive.com/economics/5512-renminmi-yuan-london-clearing

However the EU threat to take Euro clearing back to the Continent is much more easily said than done, despite the claims of some on here some time ago.

I agree that there is some threat to UK FS business from the EU in certain areas, but there are limits due to various factors. Also London is a global financial centre rather than simply an EU financial centre and it will grow in other areas

Matthewfalle

Oh dear. Looks like The Dotard didn't have it all under control.

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/201 ... hite-house

#fuckingidiot

bianchimoon

Matthewfalle wrote:

Oh dear. Looks like The Dotard didn't have it all under control.

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/201 ... hite-house

#fuckingidiot

Yup, some gems from Woodward, the fake president will Be in another Twitter rage soon

InconveniencedBadger

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