Stage 20 TdF 2015 - Modane Valfréjus/Alpe d'Huez**SPOILERS**

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  • Macaloon
    Macaloon Posts: 5,545
    edited July 2015
    ^ That's an interesting one. Froome definitely has a significant advantage in long flat TTs. But he'll have to balance the loss in climbing preparation to get full benefit. Still a good chance to make a balanced route. Sensible TT mileage is good for Nibtador too.

    Nairo outclimbed Froome by nearly 2 mins in the last 2 stages.
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  • slim_boy_fat
    slim_boy_fat Posts: 1,810
    Vitriol not reserved for just Froome. Paul Martens twitter.

    https://twitter.com/PMartens83/status/624972772930945024
  • iainf72
    iainf72 Posts: 15,784
    I think they won't want to make it tougher.

    I fully expect to see less high mountains - It's a balance, if you make it too hard it shuts down the racing.

    The first week this year was genius. A good balance of everything. I think the mountains were fine, but the transition stages were too hard to encourage recovery, so everyone got knackered.
    Fckin' Quintana … that creep can roll, man.
  • slim_boy_fat
    slim_boy_fat Posts: 1,810
    Amazing how the same performance can't be reported so differently.
    ammattipyöräily ‏@ammattipyoraily 2h2 hours ago
    Nairo Quintana's climbing time 39:23 on Alpe d'Huez is the fastest since 2006 (Floyd Landis / Andreas Klöden 38:36). #TDF2015
    Matt Keenan ‏@mwkeenan 2h2 hours ago
    That ride by Nairo Quintana was the 22nd fastest time up Alpe d'Huez.

    Note the use of the word fastest and the name of a known doper in the first. An agenda perhaps??
  • adr82
    adr82 Posts: 4,002
    Valverde getting all emotional after finally ending up on the podium: http://www.rtve.es/m/alacarta/videos/tour-de-francia/tdp-declas-valverde-250715/3227111/?media=tve
  • robnewcastle
    robnewcastle Posts: 241
    I think they won't want to make it tougher.

    I fully expect to see less high mountains - It's a balance, if you make it too hard it shuts down the racing.

    The first week this year was genius. A good balance of everything. I think the mountains were fine, but the transition stages were too hard to encourage recovery, so everyone got knackered.

    We've had cobbles two years running so I imagine they may take a break. Probably more sprint stages next year and a proper TT.
  • RonB
    RonB Posts: 3,984
    Wout Poels and Richie Porte did a grand job for Froome on the Alpe today. Good to see Porte on a good day, especially if that is going to be his last big effort for Froome before his move from Team Sky.
  • dolan_driver
    dolan_driver Posts: 831
    They've been caught at it again:

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2m0aDfTXUrY

    I reckon this is how Froome's cough has got worst.
    The French method of transmitting an airborne disease.

    Utter scum! Simple as that.

    DD.
  • Macaloon
    Macaloon Posts: 5,545
    The way some Skyfans are harassing Tucker on Twitter you'd think he was the fraudulent charlatan.
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  • blazing_saddles
    blazing_saddles Posts: 22,706
    I think they won't want to make it tougher.

    I fully expect to see less high mountains - It's a balance, if you make it too hard it shuts down the racing.

    The first week this year was genius. A good balance of everything. I think the mountains were fine, but the transition stages were too hard to encourage recovery, so everyone got knackered.

    Don't you think the fact that all the current crop of French starlets are all climber bods and a bit poo at the contre le montre stuff, might influence the ASO's thinking?
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  • JackPozzi
    JackPozzi Posts: 1,191
    edited July 2015
    Pinot, Froome, Quintana and Contador all had their bikes checked for motors today.
  • TheBigBean
    TheBigBean Posts: 21,541
    Quintana made the classic youthful mistake of not believing he could win it.

    Contador around 30s slower than his Alp d'Huez average of 42 mins.
  • ugo.santalucia
    ugo.santalucia Posts: 28,310
    I fear Quintana doesn't know how to prepare a GT... both in the Giro 2014 andthe Tour 2015 he was invisible in the first half. He did manage to come back in the Giro, but missed his chance in the Tour... that said, it makes for good TV when he does finally come back!
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  • awavey
    awavey Posts: 2,368
    Pinot, Froome, Quintana and Contador all had their bikes checked for motors today.

    I know people keep trying to make something of that, but they said theyd always check the stage winner & yellow jersey holder bikes by default everytime they do it, plus either the other two in the top 3 of GC or the other jersey holders.

    and as per all the other bike checks, they found nothing again.
  • BelgianBeerGeek
    BelgianBeerGeek Posts: 5,226
    Wout Poels and Richie Porte did a grand job for Froome on the Alpe today. Good to see Porte on a good day, especially if that is going to be his last big effort for Froome before his move from Team Sky.
    Certainly (to mis-quote Froome). Richie Porte - what a legend. And Wouter Poels - give that man a cigar. Fantastic stuff. I am now put of superlatives, and full of Hommelbier. I have seen the first Brit win the TdF twice.
    I am going to bed (more likely, being put to bed by Mrs BBGeek) a very happy man.
    Night, night all.
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  • The_Boy
    The_Boy Posts: 3,099
    I think they won't want to make it tougher.

    I fully expect to see less high mountains - It's a balance, if you make it too hard it shuts down the racing.

    The first week this year was genius. A good balance of everything. I think the mountains were fine, but the transition stages were too hard to encourage recovery, so everyone got knackered.

    Don't you think the fact that all the current crop of French starlets are all climber bods and a bit poo at the contre le montre stuff, might influence the ASO's thinking?

    Tbf, while Pinot is no Froome when it comes to riding against the clock, he is no Pantani either. At least on short-medium length routes.
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  • The_Boy
    The_Boy Posts: 3,099
    Also, was a little disappointed at the lack of Madiot Madness today. Small gripe for such an awesome stage, but hey ho.
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  • Also, was a little disappointed at the lack of Madiot Madness today. Small gripe for such an awesome stage, but hey ho.

    Funny - I had the same thought and was eagerly waiting for him to stick his head out of the Team car and start screaming like a lunatic! :)
  • FocusZing
    FocusZing Posts: 4,373
    Also, was a little disappointed at the lack of Madiot Madness today. Small gripe for such an awesome stage, but hey ho.

    It looked very frenetic to me, different strokes for different folks I guess!
  • milton50
    milton50 Posts: 3,856
    I'd be amazed if there wasn't at least 1 individual TT next year. Probably 40k or less.

    I think the cobbles will take a break as well. In fact in general the first week will surely not be as hard as this year.

    Fair play to the organisers this year though. It was a great spectacle.
  • imatfaal
    imatfaal Posts: 2,716
    Any one think that Froome might have won by a landslide?

    More specifically the one that took the Col de Telegraphe and Col de Galibier out of todays stage?

    Just checked my road book and on a stage where Chris just hung on - if it weren't for the landslide then the preparation for Alpe d'Huez would have been 28 km at 7% in two lumps with the very hard end of the Galibier - instead of Croix de Fer's 28k at 5.2%. And the flat road between the end of the Galibier descent and beginning of the Alpe is a lot shorter - this was where Team Sky got back into their strong mode.

    Not saying he didn't deserve to win - but I think it would have been even closer
  • joelsim
    joelsim Posts: 7,552
    Any one think that Froome might have won by a landslide?

    More specifically the one that took the Col de Telegraphe and Col de Galibier out of todays stage?

    Just checked my road book and on a stage where Chris just hung on - if it weren't for the landslide then the preparation for Alpe d'Huez would have been 28 km at 7% in two lumps with the very hard end of the Galibier - instead of Croix de Fer's 28k at 5.2%. And the flat road between the end of the Galibier descent and beginning of the Alpe is a lot shorter - this was where Team Sky got back into their strong mode.

    Not saying he didn't deserve to win - but I think it would have been even closer

    Reports are suggesting he has had a touch of bronchitis over the last few days.

    On another note, wonder whether it will be a Nairo-friendly parcours next year (it was this year actually).
  • FocusZing
    FocusZing Posts: 4,373
    Chris Froome spat at again, looked around, he knew it happened. When asked 'how were the fans,? He never mentioned it. Class act, no whining.
  • joelsim
    joelsim Posts: 7,552
    Chris Froome spat at again, looked around, he knew it happened. When asked 'how were the fans,? He never mentioned it. Class act, no whining.

    I was watching the fans' reactions to Froome all the way through. And it's fair to say many were giving him some 'friendly advice' (with contorted faces).
  • Macaloon
    Macaloon Posts: 5,545
    Climb-time update:
    It's becoming less sound to compare individual climb times with those from a different race, year, even era - it's something to do with riders not taking a uniform approach to every race. That's a fairly recent change and only seems to have taken effect since young Mr Quintana ripped a few fresh ones today.
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  • Pross
    Pross Posts: 43,162
    I think they won't want to make it tougher.

    I fully expect to see less high mountains - It's a balance, if you make it too hard it shuts down the racing.

    The first week this year was genius. A good balance of everything. I think the mountains were fine, but the transition stages were too hard to encourage recovery, so everyone got knackered.

    Don't you think the fact that all the current crop of French starlets are all climber bods and a bit poo at the contre le montre stuff, might influence the ASO's thinking?

    I've got a feeling that played a part in this year's route too and they were hoping for a French podium.

    To be honest, whilst I love the mountains, I think you get better racing with fewer and shorter mountain stages although the cumulative fatigue of the multiple mountains obviously plays a part. Quite a few of this year's mountain stages ended up being little more than transition stages while the GC contenders saved themselves for one or two serious efforts.
  • Macaloon
    Macaloon Posts: 5,545
    Three weeks of elastic snapped when Quintana finally cracked Poels. He was off like a rocket. Amazing moment.
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  • kleinstroker
    kleinstroker Posts: 2,133
    Valverde getting all emotional after finally ending up on the podium: http://www.rtve.es/m/alacarta/videos/tour-de-francia/tdp-declas-valverde-250715/3227111/?media=tve
    I'm glad he beat Nibali and Contador, chuffed for him that it means so much.
  • FocusZing
    FocusZing Posts: 4,373
    Chris Froome spat at again, looked around, he knew it happened. When asked 'how were the fans,? He never mentioned it. Class act, no whining.

    I was watching the fans' reactions to Froome all the way through. And it's fair to say many were giving him some 'friendly advice' (with contorted faces).

    Yes. I think some people see it as a pantomime, for Froome though the emotions and pressure must have been untenable.

    I believe Paula Radcliffe is clean by the way, just worked her guts out.